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2012-09-07 08:18:02 PM  
5 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: karmaceutical: The thing working against the GOP here is that more people see Mitt Romney, the less they like him. The debates aren't going to help that at all. This isn't even taking into account the actual substance of the debates, just the popularity.

Yeah, and since we seem to chose Presidents based on whether they are likable as opposed to capable, that is a problem.
If worked for Bush and it worked for 0bama and the country suffered in both cases.

What makes you think Romney is capable? His record in MA wasn't that spectacular on an economic level. Although he did bring MA RomneyCare. Too bad Mitt is too ashamed to take pride in that.

Romney isn't the most capable person, but he is far more capable than 0bama.

0bama doesn't have the personality to lead, only dictate and then whine when he can't get people to do what he wants.


You sound a little grumpy. Look - time goes on, and things change. What's left of the GOP might be able to hold a little bit of that change back for another cycle or two - but the game is over.
The white house and the senate are now out of reach, and it looks like the GOP will lose ground in the house. The base is aged, dying, and increasingly ethnically outnumbered.
Just go with the flow, and become a real conservative - study Dwight Eisenhower - he has much to teach you about being a real, American conservative who loves his country more than he loves a party or an ideology.
It's all good.
2012-09-07 09:38:27 PM  
3 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: karmaceutical: The thing working against the GOP here is that more people see Mitt Romney, the less they like him. The debates aren't going to help that at all. This isn't even taking into account the actual substance of the debates, just the popularity.

Yeah, and since we seem to chose Presidents based on whether they are likable as opposed to capable, that is a problem.
If worked for Bush and it worked for 0bama and the country suffered in both cases.

What makes you think Romney is capable? His record in MA wasn't that spectacular on an economic level. Although he did bring MA RomneyCare. Too bad Mitt is too ashamed to take pride in that.

Romney isn't the most capable person, but he is far more capable than 0bama.

0bama doesn't have the personality to lead, only dictate and then whine when he can't get people to do what he wants.


Make up your damn mind. Is he the "0bammessiah" or does he have no personality? Is he destroying the Republic, or is he an ineffectual crybaby?

Are Republicans heroes for obstructing everything he proposes, or do they oppose it because he's a pansy?

Because it would seem that Republicans just have a hardon for obstruction, since they even oppose their own goddamn ideas (DREAM Act, spending/tax compromise, Healthcare Reform) the moment he supports them.
2012-09-07 05:36:51 PM  
3 votes:
You know, I hate to be the one to address the elephant in the room, but given the dates of the polling and whatnot, it's entirely possible this is the convention bump we're seeing...the RNC convention bump.
2012-09-07 05:18:55 PM  
3 votes:
I understand raiding the Big 12 for a Texas school to get some inroads there for recruiting but I don't think the SEC thought it through with the basket case that is A&M
2012-09-07 03:01:39 PM  
3 votes:

Weaver95: Republicans are *screaming* that Obama didn't get any sort of post-convention bounce. Limbaugh ranted about it for about an hour today (well...the hour i listened to him anyways).


Something something protest too much...
2012-09-08 12:28:58 AM  
2 votes:

MFL: Libs lying to themselves is fun to watch. The same folks that were creaming themselves about the awesome job report that turned out to be shiat today are still doing whatever they can to create hype that isn't there and polish this turd.

When your messiah loses this fall to a square ass Mormon maybe you'll pull your head out of your anus for a minute and question the flavor of cool-aid you've been guzzling.

Keep stoking yourself and pretending your cause means something


You think a lot about creaming and anuses? Let me guess, Santorum voter.
2012-09-07 09:52:10 PM  
2 votes:
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2012-09-07 09:45:30 PM  
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Kome: tenpoundsofcheese: Mercutio74: As for the 2nd point, no one can work with a group of people unless that group is willing to work honestly.

Leaders can.

Even an impeached Clinton was able to work with the GOP.
Reagan and Bush both were able to work with a hostile congress.

The key word there is "honestly." Today's Republican party has absolutely no problems lying their assess off. Birth certificate, Muslim, death panels, keeping veterans from voting, "you didn't build that"... their platform is entirely lies. People who are willing to lie in an effort they admit is to sabotage you do not make good co-workers.

Meh. Still clinging to that line that the "If you have a business, you didn't build that" is a lie? Funny. How many business owners were claiming that they built the roads and bridges? Why would 0bama remind them that they didn't build the roads and bridges? Antecedents, how do they work? Those vs. that? 0bama was channeling Chief Warren and failed. Get over it.


There are a lot of wealthy, successful Americans who agree with me -- because they want to give something back. They know they didn't -- look, if you've been successful, you didn't get there on your own. You didn't get there on your own. I'm always struck by people who think, well, it must be because I was just so smart. There are a lot of smart people out there. It must be because I worked harder than everybody else. Let me tell you something -- there are a whole bunch of hardworking people out there.

If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.
2012-09-07 07:28:19 PM  
2 votes:

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese:

0bama doesn't have the personality to lead, only dictate and then whine when he can't get people to do what he wants.

um...you DO realize we can actually read the linked article that shows Obama leading Romney right? I mean...you know it hasn't been erased or anything....

wtf are you taking about?
Not having the personality to lead does not mean that he isn't leading in the polls.

I don't doubt that 0bama will win. But winning an election doesn't mean he is a capable leader any more than winning American Idol means that you should be idolized.


If you didn't like his first term, I guarantee you the next one will be much harder on you.
2012-09-07 05:40:33 PM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: Republicans are *screaming* that Obama didn't get any sort of post-convention bounce. Limbaugh ranted about it for about an hour today (well...the hour i listened to him anyways).


I'd lay cash this time on Monday, the line from the right wing will be conventions and convention bumps don't matter.
2012-09-07 05:34:22 PM  
2 votes:
Nate at 538 had previously said it takes a couple of days for the data to come out regarding any convention bounce. So anything we are seeing now is premature. At least according to 538. Additionally Nate stated that anything less than a 4 point bounce for Mitt was a bullish sign. He broke down exactly why as he always does. Mitt got a 1 point bounce.

Convention bounces fade. But Mitt is running out of opportunities to make up ground. Assuming Obama's bounce is larger than -1 point then Mitt and the GOP only have the debates left to move in front of Obama. Recall how Mitt did in the primary debates? He was routinely schooled by Santorum. Obama is a better debater than Santorum is.

At this point Mitt has to hope for a colossal Obama screw up or that the hundreds of millions the GOPs super PACs have can move the polls. Both are unlikely.

/man crush on Nate Silver
2012-09-07 04:23:02 PM  
2 votes:

AmStatic1: Wait, whut?

[www.rasmussenreports.com image 400x300]


lol rasmussen. how adorable.
2012-09-07 04:09:37 PM  
2 votes:

AmStatic1: Wait, whut?

[www.rasmussenreports.com image 400x300]


Since that's a Rasmussen graph shouldn't it read "Time Since Usurpation of Power" next to the vertical axis?
2012-09-07 03:05:49 PM  
2 votes:

Weaver95: Republicans are *screaming* that Obama didn't get any sort of post-convention bounce. Limbaugh ranted about it for about an hour today (well...the hour i listened to him anyways).


You are a brave soul. Thank you for listening to that crap so the rest of us don't have to.
2012-09-07 02:50:11 PM  
2 votes:

brigid_fitch: DamnYankees: Let's see if it shows up in any electoral polling.

Nate Silver now has Obama at 313 electoral votes, up 10.6 points since 8/30.


That's based on how Nov. 6 prediction though, not his Nowcast. The Nowcast is the prediction of what would happen if the election were held today. So the Nov. 6 cast is predicting that Obama will get a bump in the future - in order for that 313 to actually stay there, the bump has to happen, not merely be predicted to happen.
2012-09-07 02:48:47 PM  
2 votes:

DamnYankees: Let's see if it shows up in any electoral polling.


Nate Silver now has Obama at 313 electoral votes, up 10.6 points since 8/30.
2012-09-08 06:45:50 AM  
1 vote:

Summer Glau's Love Slave: meat0918: Just wait for the debates.

Hell, I really can see Romney skipping the last one.

I wouldn't blame Nitt if he tried to take a mulligan during the debates.

[CSB] I live in deepest Redneckia, western NC. This area is severely red state. Four years ago, there were McCain/Palin signs everywhere. All of my neighbors had at least one of them. Yesterday, I ran errands for about three hours, and covered about a 100 miles of road in total. I did not see a single Romnoid/Ryan sign during my trip, not even a billboard. [/CSB]

/That was very surprising to me.


I'm in Louisiana, probably redder than your neighborhood (and definitely more ignorant). And until you mentioned it, I hadn't realized, . . . but I haven't seen a single Romney or generic Republican yard sign anywhere around here. And in 2008, this parish was wall-to-wall McCain. I suspect the rightwing Catholics hereabouts will vote for a Mormon, when it comes right down to it, but they're not willing to campaign for one.
2012-09-07 10:51:26 PM  
1 vote:
tenpoundsofcheese sounds tired.
2012-09-07 08:04:48 PM  
1 vote:

tenpoundsofcheese: I expect more losses in the Senate for the Dems.


Your friend Todd Akin probably ensured that the GOP doesn't gain a majority this election. Question is, will the GOP stop trying to turn the derp past 11 after November?
2012-09-07 07:56:55 PM  
1 vote:

tenpoundsofcheese: Meh. Still clinging to that line that the "If you have a business, you didn't build that" is a lie? Funny. How many business owners were claiming that they built the roads and bridges? Why would 0bama remind them that they didn't build the roads and bridges? Antecedents, how do they work? Those vs. that? 0bama was channeling Chief Warren and failed. Get over it.


Awwww, you're so cute by demonstrating how illiterate you are. Are you at the "Hop on Pop" and "The Very Hungry Caterpillar" level yet?

You know very well that he was reminding everyone that no one has gotten where they are on their own, because there is a vast infrastructure that was built by hundreds of millions of people over the course of the centuries that we have been building this country, and maybe we should be a little respectful of that reality and give back to the country and the citizens that have helped each of us get where we are.

But hey, you keep right on f*cking that chicken.
2012-09-07 07:56:26 PM  
1 vote:

tenpoundsofcheese: Or are you trying to argue that Bush was a good leader since he won 2 elections?


Did he really? There's ample evidence he didn't even win one national election....
2012-09-07 07:51:35 PM  
1 vote:

tenpoundsofcheese: Or are you trying to argue that Bush was a good leader since he won 2 elections?


Are you really going to argue that Bush was elected?
2012-09-07 07:22:58 PM  
1 vote:

Mart Laar's beard shaver: Romney will win, and in a landslide. It will break after the first debate. Book it.


You should claim the contrary and bet on a Romney win on Intrade. Or maybe you already thought of that?
2012-09-07 07:22:11 PM  
1 vote:

tenpoundsofcheese: Leaders can.

Even an impeached Clinton was able to work with the GOP.
Reagan and Bush both were able to work with a hostile congress.


It's a different kind of GOP now, isn't it? Those presidents worked with politicians where negotiation was part of the process. The new tea scented era of the GOP isn't like that. Instead, they publicly say things like Mitch McConnell said.
2012-09-07 07:21:55 PM  
1 vote:

tenpoundsofcheese: Weaver95: tenpoundsofcheese:

0bama doesn't have the personality to lead, only dictate and then whine when he can't get people to do what he wants.

um...you DO realize we can actually read the linked article that shows Obama leading Romney right? I mean...you know it hasn't been erased or anything....

wtf are you taking about?
Not having the personality to lead does not mean that he isn't leading in the polls.

I don't doubt that 0bama will win. But winning an election doesn't mean he is a capable leader any more than winning American Idol means that you should be idolized.


so winning doesn't mean winning? well alrightie then, you just go on with your bad self.
2012-09-07 07:03:54 PM  
1 vote:
Romney was such a great and capable governor of Massachusetts that he dared not run for reelection. The people of Massachusetts who actually suffered under his "leadership" are so unimpressed that they are poised to elect Obama over Romney by a 20 point margin. In comparison, Al Gore, who was never even the gov. of Tennessee, lost his state of Tennessee by 4%.
2012-09-07 07:03:22 PM  
1 vote:

tenpoundsofcheese: Mrtraveler01: tenpoundsofcheese: karmaceutical: The thing working against the GOP here is that more people see Mitt Romney, the less they like him. The debates aren't going to help that at all. This isn't even taking into account the actual substance of the debates, just the popularity.

Yeah, and since we seem to chose Presidents based on whether they are likable as opposed to capable, that is a problem.
If worked for Bush and it worked for 0bama and the country suffered in both cases.

What makes you think Romney is capable? His record in MA wasn't that spectacular on an economic level. Although he did bring MA RomneyCare. Too bad Mitt is too ashamed to take pride in that.

Romney isn't the most capable person, but he is far more capable than 0bama.

0bama doesn't have the personality to lead, only dictate and then whine when he can't get people to do what he wants.


Projection, thy name is tenpounds
2012-09-07 07:01:19 PM  
1 vote:

Mart Laar's beard shaver: "Obama's approval ratings hits its highest number in 2009"

Jebus, subby might be autistic.

Romney will win, and in a landslide. It will break after the first debate. Book it.

And some of you Farkers might be able to find jobs.



And Jesus rode a dinosaur, and Sarah Palin is going to invade Russia. Making crazy shiat up is fun!
2012-09-07 06:59:59 PM  
1 vote:

AmStatic1: Wait, whut?

[www.rasmussenreports.com image 400x300]



Anyone still using Rasmussen after he sucked GOP d!ck for the entire 2008 election cycle is a farking moron. Seriously, dude.
2012-09-07 06:43:35 PM  
1 vote:

tenpoundsofcheese: karmaceutical: The thing working against the GOP here is that more people see Mitt Romney, the less they like him. The debates aren't going to help that at all. This isn't even taking into account the actual substance of the debates, just the popularity.

Yeah, and since we seem to chose Presidents based on whether they are likable as opposed to capable, that is a problem.
If worked for Bush and it worked for 0bama and the country suffered in both cases.


What makes you think Romney is capable? His record in MA wasn't that spectacular on an economic level. Although he did bring MA RomneyCare. Too bad Mitt is too ashamed to take pride in that.
2012-09-07 06:41:57 PM  
1 vote:

Mercutio74: Meh, polls are going to be meaningless for another couple of weeks coontil any polling done has data collected during the "bounce zone" has finished). I would expect Obama's numbers to be up right now, since the Dems has a substantive and passionate convention and the GOP had kind of an odd convention. It'll sort itself out in a few weeks when the bounces fade.


I agree but I am still going to use this to troll a few people who seem to be really upset and have gone full-derptard since the Democratic convention ended.

Mercutio74: Brubold: Yeah but will his flat retread of a speech kill whatever bounce Bill and Michelle gave him? Even the Democrats watched him and were like, "Meh, haven't we heard all of this before?"

I guess it depends on what people are looking for. Clearly the undecideds would lie somewhere politically between the GOP and the Dems. Even if we have heard Obama's content before, at least it was content. The GOP has been very tight lipped about what they're actually planning on doing if Mitt gets elected. If I were a center-right American, I'd be a hell of a lot more impressed with what the Dems had to say than what the GOP refused to say.


In my opinion the message in the speech was what mattered and he conveyed it well. I also agree with you on being way more impressed with the presentation of the Democrats over that of the Republicans.

In my opinion why mainly is because the Republicans were very harsh on criticisms of President Obama but very vague on solutions. He lists "goals", but how he plans to achieve them is still unknown. The whole Republican party came across as amateurish and petty.

In contrast the Democratic Party came across as confident with a clear vision and laid out steps to do it through education and infrastructure. He also laid out a clear energy plan. What was most impressive was the foreign policy strength portrayed by the Democrats also. The Democrats came across as pragmatic, professional, and well rounded in all aspects of policy foreign and domestic. Something the Republicans had under Reagan but lost under two Bush disasters.
2012-09-07 06:37:41 PM  
1 vote:
Okay, that's it. i'm going to break down and start using the favorite function to keep track of who's what.
2012-09-07 06:26:11 PM  
1 vote:

WaltzingMathilda: this news makes my bub bubs bounce


Video or it didn't happen.
2012-09-07 06:11:06 PM  
1 vote:

meat0918: Just wait for the debates.

Hell, I really can see Romney skipping the last one.


I wouldn't blame Nitt if he tried to take a mulligan during the debates.

[CSB] I live in deepest Redneckia, western NC. This area is severely red state. Four years ago, there were McCain/Palin signs everywhere. All of my neighbors had at least one of them. Yesterday, I ran errands for about three hours, and covered about a 100 miles of road in total. I did not see a single Romnoid/Ryan sign during my trip, not even a billboard. [/CSB]

/That was very surprising to me.
2012-09-07 05:49:59 PM  
1 vote:
Meh, polls are going to be meaningless for another couple of weeks (until any polling done has data collected during the "bounce zone" has finished). I would expect Obama's numbers to be up right now, since the Dems has a substantive and passionate convention and the GOP had kind of an odd convention. It'll sort itself out in a few weeks when the bounces fade.
2012-09-07 05:46:42 PM  
1 vote:

Kurmudgeon: thenewmissus: I tried to listen so that I could get an understanding of how conservatives think.

There's your problem. Conservatives justify, lie, prate, condemn, mislead, etc,etc, but they don't think.
Just look at their nominees. However, that does prove that they obey.


Absolutely. Few if any of them use more than their brain stem on a regular basis.
2012-09-07 05:44:10 PM  
1 vote:

Weaver95: Republicans are *screaming* that Obama didn't get any sort of post-convention bounce. Limbaugh ranted about it for about an hour today (well...the hour i listened to him anyways).


One time I was driving back home from cross-country with some buddies of mine when the CD player broke in the car. As were driving thru Kansas all there was to listen to was country music and Rush Limbaugh. We literally were having to stop the car from time to time because we were laughing so hard at his stupidity. The best part was when we got around Hays, KS (I think) we saw this truck go bye with a Rush Limbaugh sticker on the back. For the better part of an hour we kept writing down the dumb shiat Rush said and held it up for the truck driver to read. He did not find it amusing.

Awhile down the road we stopped for some gas and the same truck pulled up right next to us and the guy got out yelling about "damn crazy liberals". We informed him we weren't that liberal but we were a little bit crazy. Then this Kansas-yahoo opens up the side of his jack to display a gun. I'm not sure what reaction he was expecting, but it wasn't loud laughter. Little did he know we had all just gotten back from a hunting trip. We were loaded with weapons. He got back in his truck, called us a bunch of assholes and left. (Which to be fair ... we are)

I'm from a small town in Indiana.I think it's funny as heck when people call me a liberal. If you think I'm a liberal you're crazy or you're so far conservative you think a moderate is liberal.
2012-09-07 05:43:37 PM  
1 vote:

colon_pow: was this before or after the delegates voted against God?


which god are you referring to? there are more than one you know.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-07 05:39:07 PM  
1 vote:

DamnYankees: Let's see if it shows up in any electoral polling.


It already is. GOP support is more geographically concentrated than Democratic, so a tied popular vote means that Obama is ahead. Romney may get 90% in Alabama, but that means that 40% of the vote is "wasted".
2012-09-07 05:33:10 PM  
1 vote:

tenpoundsofcheese: oh look, another person who doesn't understand what margin of error is. (3 points).


I am soooo looking FORWARD to the next two months.
And you are one of the reasons why :)
2012-09-07 04:16:06 PM  
1 vote:

imontheinternet: Romney's total bump was ~2 points, and early indicators seem to be showing a ~3 point bump for Obama mid-way through the convention. Not shabby, but I'll wait for the real numbers to come in on Monday.


Misread the data. It's closer to a 5 point bump in approval ratings.
2012-09-07 03:59:48 PM  
1 vote:

Weaver95: Republicans are *screaming* that Obama didn't get any sort of post-convention bounce. Limbaugh ranted about it for about an hour today (well...the hour i listened to him anyways).


How in the hell do you listen to Rush without it making your ears bleed?
2012-09-07 03:43:23 PM  
1 vote:
Meh. Bounces fade quickly. And it'll be back to 47-46 before long.
2012-09-07 03:18:40 PM  
1 vote:

adiabat: Except the poll was taken Sept 3-6, before his speech.
He should thank Bill & Michelle


No one said it was a bounce from his speech specifically; the convention bounce is about the whole thing.
2012-09-07 03:18:07 PM  
1 vote:
Except the poll was taken Sept 3-6, before his speech.
He should thank Bill & Michelle
2012-09-07 02:53:16 PM  
1 vote:
But, subby, if Obama hit his highest number in 2009, how is that considered a bounce today?
 
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