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2012-09-07 03:01:31 PM
To be fair... the Leafs *really* suck....
 
2012-09-07 03:17:42 PM
What the hell was that mess?
 
2012-09-07 03:34:25 PM
So the higher the number, the worse the score?

If that's so, then I have a bit of a nitpick. Why did they give the Texas Rangers a 41 in that category? They've been to the World Series twice and lost it last year by the razorest thinnest margin (I don't wanna talk about it), so I guess what I'm saying is, I don't understand why that number would be high for them. Seems to me that that sort of performance would be a good indicator of expected championships (nobody say anything about the Bills, dammit).

Glad to see they gave the players a 3. The whole organization gives me the warm fuzzies.
 
2012-09-07 03:38:14 PM
Results based on the last 3 years performance of the teams, but they have done this for 10 years.

Should that not mean they have 13 years worth of data to work with? How about we see some rankings using all that info? Or is this list geared toward bandwagon fans that will root for who is winning?
 
2012-09-07 04:06:32 PM
1. NFL top is Packers, Saints, Ravens, Steelers. Must not take into account what happened to Saints in offseason, but those are all well-rounded franchises.
2. NFL bottom is Browns, Redskins, Dolphins, Rams. Again - seems about right, but clearly franchise value plays no role in the analysis, as it shouldn't. The Redskins are one of the most valuable sports franchises - imagine what they'd be worth if the stadium, team, ownership was any good.
3. Cubs, Red Sox are the lowest baseball team. Wow.
 
2012-09-07 04:44:30 PM
I've got #48, #93, #113 and #119. I average out to 93, meaning that the Mets represent my average...whatever you want to call this. And yet the two recent championships from the Giants are keeping me happy enough.
 
2012-09-07 05:00:33 PM
Of metro areas that have at least 4 teams represented between all the sports (I was going to do "At least 1 team in every sport, but, that would throw out L.A., who otherwise has 6 teams), the average ranking per market:

Phoenix 35.7 (6,10,43,84)
Dallas 42.0 (9,26,47,86)
Los Angeles 47.8 (15,32,37,53,61,89)
Philadelphia 49.5 (21,49,55,73)
Boston 54.2 (20,22,58,117)
Detroit 54.5 (30,52,56,80)
Denver 60.0 (38,39,78,85)
Miami 60.2 (31,33,67,110)
Bay Area 69.2 (36,46,70,96,98)
Chicago 71.0 (24,69,74,76,112)
New York 80.4 (13,48,63,82,88,93,105,113,119)
Washington 82.0 (34,68,108,118)
Minneapolis 85.2 (71,83,87,100)

Only counting the "Top 4" (if a market has more than 4 teams, only counting their 4 best... ):
Los Angeles 34.2 (15,32,37,53)
Phoenix 35.7 (6,10,43,84)
Dallas 42.0 (9,26,47,86)
Philadelphia 49.5 (21,49,55,73)
New York 51.5 (13,48,63,82)
Boston 54.2 (20,22,58,117)
Detroit 54.5 (30,52,56,80)
Denver 60.0 (38,39,78,85)
Miami 60.2 (31,33,67,110)
Chicago 60.7 (24,69,74,76)
Bay Area 62.0 (36,46,70,96)
Washington 82.0 (34,68,108,118)
Minneapolis 85.2 (71,83,87,100)
 
2012-09-07 05:33:07 PM

dletter: Only counting the "Top 4" (if a market has more than 4 teams, only counting their 4 best... ):
...
New York 51.5 (13,48,63,82)


If you're a fan of only teams from the bottom 4 in New York (and plenty of people are), it's not fun. No championships since 1986, dealing with fans of more successful teams in your everyday life, and none of the national sympathy that a place like Cleveland gets. Averaging out those teams comes out to 107.5 according to this ranking. Sounds about right.

/fan of 3 of the 4
//again, thank you Giants, and my parents for not making me a Jets fan
 
2012-09-07 05:34:03 PM
Maloofs ranked worst owners in all of sports - very fitting.
 
2012-09-07 05:37:51 PM

Slives: Results based on the last 3 years performance of the teams, but they have done this for 10 years.

Should that not mean they have 13 years worth of data to work with? How about we see some rankings using all that info? Or is this list geared toward bandwagon fans that will root for who is winning?


The problem I see with including that much data is that you start dealing with different personnel & circumstances. I'm just not sure the Rangers from say, 2004 should be counted against the 2012 Rangers. I think Michael Young & the Ballpark are the only things those two teams have in common. Am I making sense? I can't tell because it's awwwwfully close to happy hour times on a Friday.

Then again, if we go with that argument, then why would the "TTR" ranking be based on fans' lifetimes?

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2012-09-07 05:43:04 PM
So the "ultimate" NHL team is...

Phoenix Coyotes 6

Umm...

*wanders away*
 
2012-09-07 05:49:02 PM

Di Atribe: Slives: Results based on the last 3 years performance of the teams, but they have done this for 10 years.

Should that not mean they have 13 years worth of data to work with? How about we see some rankings using all that info? Or is this list geared toward bandwagon fans that will root for who is winning?

The problem I see with including that much data is that you start dealing with different personnel & circumstances. I'm just not sure the Rangers from say, 2004 should be counted against the 2012 Rangers. I think Michael Young & the Ballpark are the only things those two teams have in common. Am I making sense? I can't tell because it's awwwwfully close to happy hour times on a Friday.

Then again, if we go with that argument, then why would the "TTR" ranking be based on fans' lifetimes?

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It's ESPN, so of course it's complicated and messed up. It's the chart equivilant of "What's your favorite sports movie?" on sports radio, it exists merely to get people arguing.
 
2012-09-07 05:51:10 PM
Just to expand on that a bit, check out the Red Sox position.
 
2012-09-07 05:53:12 PM
Any list that has "Phoenix Coyotes" near the top is a bad list.
 
2012-09-07 05:55:48 PM
How the HOLY FARK can you rate the Oklahoma City Thunder high in the category of "Honesty and loyalty to core players and local community"? I'm counting the days until that lying sack of shiat Clay Bennett is rotting in hell next to Art Modell.
 
2012-09-07 06:01:19 PM

Super Chronic: How the HOLY FARK can you rate the Oklahoma City Thunder high in the category of "Honesty and loyalty to core players and local community"? I'm counting the days until that lying sack of shiat Clay Bennett is rotting in hell next to Art Modell.


Super Chronic is from Seattle.

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2012-09-07 06:02:03 PM
As a fan of the Patriots and the Leafs I can say with authority that the Pats should be ranked higher and the Leafs should be ranked lower. Sure the Leafs are last but can they ever be ranked last enough?
 
2012-09-07 06:05:22 PM

whereisian: So the "ultimate" NHL team is...

Phoenix Coyotes 6

Umm...

*wanders away*


Hm. Didn't notice that at first. List has lost all credibility. I'm not even going to try to make this into a graph.
 
2012-09-07 06:05:39 PM
Only problem I have with this is that they should have rated them 1-10 instead of ranking them 1-120.

The difference between 1 and 40 is much more than 41 and 80. Its a bell curve.
 
2012-09-07 06:06:00 PM

Triumph: 3. Cubs, Red Sox are the lowest baseball team. Wow


That's not that surprising. Both of them are really expensive to see, the fans don't like the current teams and a lot of them feel taken for granted, and the Cubs in particular are just brutally awful right now and everyone knew they were going to be brutally awful.

I can quibble with some of the ratings for sure (if this is from 09-12, the Blackhawks' fan relations rating is absurdly low, and the Bears' stadium experience too -- new Soldier Field looks ridiculous on the exterior but it's a fantastic place to watch a football game on the inside, only Lambeau has been better in my experience) but whatever.
 
2012-09-07 06:09:21 PM

Banned on the Run: Super Chronic: How the HOLY FARK can you rate the Oklahoma City Thunder high in the category of "Honesty and loyalty to core players and local community"? I'm counting the days until that lying sack of shiat Clay Bennett is rotting in hell next to Art Modell.

Super Chronic is from Seattle.

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Indeed. Long time fan of the Seattle SuperChronics. So tell me. When someone buys a team, fully intending to move it as soon as possible, how can that owner ever, for the rest of his life, rank anywhere other than the bottom in "loyalty to... local community"? No matter what he does in the team's new local community, that's his track record. Add to the fact that he is proven to have been lying about his intentions -- this is not up for debate anymore -- and the list becomes a joke.
 
2012-09-07 06:14:25 PM

Super Chronic: How the HOLY FARK can you rate the Oklahoma City Thunder high in the category of "Honesty and loyalty to core players and local community"? I'm counting the days until that lying sack of shiat Clay Bennett is rotting in hell next to Art Modell.


Let me preface this by saying that I hate what they did to Seattle. It was beyond shiatty and will always be one of the low points of the NBA's history.

But putting that aside (which, I acknowledge, is akin to putting aside a major crime, but humor me), they've been *excellent* owners ever since the move. They let smart people run the basketball side, the fans seem to be happy with pretty much everything, and they're poised to be a power for years. And yes, they had a lot of lottery luck. But they seem to be running quite the operation there.
 
2012-09-07 06:15:19 PM

Super Chronic: I'm counting the days until that lying sack of shiat Clay Bennett is rotting in hell next to Art Modell.



*High Five*
 
2012-09-07 06:23:44 PM

SableTigre: To be fair... the Leafs *really* suck....


I don't think the problem is they suck. I think the problem is that, although they could start the season ok, they then realize that they are playing hockey.
 
2012-09-07 06:25:58 PM

FreakinB: Super Chronic: How the HOLY FARK can you rate the Oklahoma City Thunder high in the category of "Honesty and loyalty to core players and local community"? I'm counting the days until that lying sack of shiat Clay Bennett is rotting in hell next to Art Modell.

Let me preface this by saying that I hate what they did to Seattle. It was beyond shiatty and will always be one of the low points of the NBA's history.

But putting that aside (which, I acknowledge, is akin to putting aside a major crime, but humor me), they've been *excellent* owners ever since the move. They let smart people run the basketball side, the fans seem to be happy with pretty much everything, and they're poised to be a power for years. And yes, they had a lot of lottery luck. But they seem to be running quite the operation there.


No doubt you're correct. But the description of this category contains the words "honesty" and "loyalty." Give them their high rankings for fan relations and coaching and what-not, but they have to be ranked at or near the very bottom for this one.
 
2012-09-07 06:27:16 PM

Unoriginal_Username: SableTigre: To be fair... the Leafs *really* suck....

I don't think the problem is they suck. I think the problem is that, although they could start the season ok, they then realize that they are playing hockey in the NHL, not the AHL, realize they are over-matched, and react accordingly.


FTFY
 
2012-09-07 06:27:57 PM
ESPN rankings? Yeah that wont be a trollfest.
 
2012-09-07 06:43:41 PM

Di Atribe: So the higher the number, the worse the score?

If that's so, then I have a bit of a nitpick. Why did they give the Texas Rangers a 41 in that category? They've been to the World Series twice and lost it last year by the razorest thinnest margin (I don't wanna talk about it), so I guess what I'm saying is, I don't understand why that number would be high for them. Seems to me that that sort of performance would be a good indicator of expected championships (nobody say anything about the Bills, dammit).

Glad to see they gave the players a 3. The whole organization gives me the warm fuzzies.


The Rangers are the highest ranked MLB team. This pleases me.
 
2012-09-07 07:03:26 PM
The Leafs are like the Titanic, looks great until it hits the ice. As a Leafs fan, I 100% agree with this ranking.
 
2012-09-07 07:05:27 PM
Winnipeg Jets on this list? Seems hardly fair to rank a team that's been around 1 year in their current location.
 
2012-09-07 07:11:22 PM

Plastic Diver Guy: The Leafs are like the Titanic, looks great until it hits the ice.


Oh man did I snort when I read that
 
2012-09-07 07:24:25 PM
Title Track (TTR): Championships already won or expected in the lifetime of current fans.

St. Louis Cardinals: 1
Green Bay Packers: 2


This 51 year old Redbird/ Pack fan is good with this.
 
2012-09-07 07:29:32 PM
WTF is this shiat?

You're seriously going to tell me that there are 81 franchises it's better to be a fan of than the Yankees?

The Cavs? Cavs fans have it better than Yankee fans?

Orioles? Marlins? Indians? Clippers?
 
2012-09-07 08:24:19 PM
Multiple teams have the same number rank in certain categories. Am I missing something or was it that hard to not have a tie for this?
 
2012-09-07 08:37:13 PM
The White Sox score seemed oddly low...and then I looked at the bizarre rating for Comiskey, which is an excellent place to see a game. I mean, c'mon, no one can seriously say Wrigley (63) is a better place to see a baseball game than Comiskey (95). (Also, the fan relations and ownership being gauged at 63 and 60 are just silly, especially the fan relations, which the Sox excel at.)

But seriously, what are the Leafs doing, tossing hot oil on people trying to enter the arena that their fan relations is 119?
 
2012-09-07 08:41:28 PM
The Leafs not only suck, but they are horridly expensive and you can't get to see them. My 20 year old son went to ONE Leafs game, and that was because my boss comp'd him corporate tickets one year for Christmas. I went once, and was in a box, but that was because a corporate entity invited me. Fortunately, there was free food and booze and I didn't have to watch the Leafs lose to the Thrashers in OT.

There needs to be an NHL franchise in Southern Ontario. The Leafs obviously are not one, especially since the Evil Empires (Rogers and Bell) got together to buy them.

Meanwhile, I can't believe the Packers have moved to #2. They have the very best ownership in the NFL, their prices are reasonablish for a stadium, they have history, championships, Lambeau Field, the Ice Bowl and a great team. I don't see how you can #1 a team that has only been in a market for 4 or 5 years!!

/The Leafs suck. The Jays suck. Toronto FC sucks. The Argos suck a bit less (this year).
//Toronto wouldn't know a good team if they clubbed them over the head with a hockey stick.
 
2012-09-07 09:22:37 PM
NHL in Canada does not work.

Well winning in the NHL in Canada does not work. There is no Incentive to win. Fans still buy merchandise and go to the games.

My proposal would be to expand by 16 teams for NHL Tier 2.

Regulate the 4 teams with the worst record over the 5 years. (not looking that stat up right now)

Add teams in the following cities

Kitchener, Quebec City, Halifax, Saskatoon, Portland, Seattle, Hartford, Providence, Milwaukee, Oklahoma, Houston, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Atlanta, Toronto (Suburban, far side of 407), Sacramento.

Yes there would have to be a new draft system. Yes there would have to be a system in which teams are compensated when a player signs with a differently tiered team.

But the ultimate goal here is to make the exsiting teams work not only for the cup but for the right to play in the now 26 team top tier NHL.

with 20 teams in Tier 2 this will also allow for future growth in Europe to 20 teams spread across the hot hockey countries in Europe.
(Russia 5 teams, Czech 2 teams, Sweden 3 teams, Finland 2 teams, Latvia Finland Norway Switzerland Germany Slovakia Belarus and Denmark 1 team each.
 
2012-09-07 09:33:39 PM
Also on the same hand I would Expand and do Tier 2 to the NBA, NFL as well.

If MLB stadiums were not so large I would do it to them too.
 
2012-09-07 09:40:20 PM
KC wouldn't support hockey enough to make it worth it. Sprint Center, anchor tenant, yada yada, but the town is pretty well set with the Chiefs, Sporting (consistently winning team + largest soccer only stadium in the MLS + actually being in the middle of a huge shopping area with tons of stuff to do unlike the bumfark area that Arrowhead/Kaufman are in), college basketball (which might as well be major league there), and the Royals (which might as well be minor league).
 
2012-09-07 09:42:37 PM
Relegation is never ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever ever coming to any of the big 4 sports in North America.

No owners are going to sign onto risking dropping into a lesser league. Ever.
 
2012-09-07 09:48:09 PM

Dafatone: No owners are going to sign onto risking dropping into a lesser league. Ever.


This is why player contracts should be tied to which tier they are playing in.

Plus with the advent of League only networks (NFL NETWORK comes to mind) and local TV rights there are enough ways to boost revenues and cover any losses incurred by going down.
 
2012-09-07 10:09:44 PM
So, basically good teams from small/limited markets and good teams from 'lesser/smaller' leagues in big cities. Color me shocked
 
2012-09-07 10:25:19 PM

AuralArgument: Dafatone: No owners are going to sign onto risking dropping into a lesser league. Ever.

This is why player contracts should be tied to which tier they are playing in.

Plus with the advent of League only networks (NFL NETWORK comes to mind) and local TV rights there are enough ways to boost revenues and cover any losses incurred by going down.


Well then. Good luck getting any of the player unions to agree to contracts that become worth much less if the team gets relegated.
 
2012-09-07 10:40:46 PM
On the subject of Clay Bennet's loyalty: It sucks for Seattle, but look at it this way, he's NEVER been disloyal to Oklahoma City. His intentions were always clear as to which community he was working for. H never gave a flying fark about Seattle. That's why his rating is so high. He's so loyal, disloyalty was his only option.

On the subject of NHL expansion in Kansas City: Kansas City wouldn't support hockey, but weirdly, Wichita would. If you were going to expand the NHL in such a manner, you'd have to target cities where some form of minor league hockey is already beloved. Especially since most of those minor league won't really see any betterment in their circumstances anyway....
 
2012-09-07 10:58:01 PM

AuralArgument: NHL in Canada does not work.

Well winning in the NHL in Canada does not work. There is no Incentive to win. Fans still buy merchandise and go to the games.

My proposal would be to expand by 16 teams for NHL Tier 2.

Regulate the 4 teams with the worst record over the 5 years. (not looking that stat up right now)

Add teams in the following cities

Kitchener, Quebec City, Halifax, Saskatoon, Portland, Seattle, Hartford, Providence, Milwaukee, Oklahoma, Houston, Indianapolis, Kansas City, Atlanta, Toronto (Suburban, far side of 407), Sacramento.

Yes there would have to be a new draft system. Yes there would have to be a system in which teams are compensated when a player signs with a differently tiered team.

But the ultimate goal here is to make the exsiting teams work not only for the cup but for the right to play in the now 26 team top tier NHL.

with 20 teams in Tier 2 this will also allow for future growth in Europe to 20 teams spread across the hot hockey countries in Europe.
(Russia 5 teams, Czech 2 teams, Sweden 3 teams, Finland 2 teams, Latvia Finland Norway Switzerland Germany Slovakia Belarus and Denmark 1 team each.


This is stupid. Guessing you're a big soccer fan.
 
2012-09-07 11:04:20 PM

Dafatone: WTF is this shiat?

You're seriously going to tell me that there are 81 franchises it's better to be a fan of than the Yankees?

The Cavs? Cavs fans have it better than Yankee fans?

Orioles? Marlins? Indians? Clippers?


Did you not notice the "bang for the buck" metric? It's farking expensive to be a yankee fan if you like watching live.

It's why the Coyotes are so high, 50 bucks and you can buy half the team.
 
2012-09-07 11:14:21 PM

Di Atribe: (nobody say anything about the Bills, dammit).


How the fark do the Bills score above so many teams? Ralph Wilson is a piece of shiat who should die soon to give their fans some closure. How the fark can his team rank so highly?
 
2012-09-07 11:51:07 PM
Houston's minor league hockey team is fun to watch, and tickets cost next to nothing. Actually, most Houston sporting events are dirt cheap, with Texans games (maybe Dynamo, too) being the glaring exception.

I like being able to see a Major League Baseball game virtually any night I want for around $10. Even crummy baseball teams win often enough to be fun to watch, so it doesn't matter that they've been awful for a few years, and they'll rebound soon enough. Also, their ballpark is charming, they usually have likeable players, and they have one of the best team names in sports.

The Astros deserve to be higher on the list.
 
2012-09-08 12:28:29 AM
This would have gone well if the thread I submitted about Doaner resigning with the Yotes got greened
 
2012-09-08 12:29:39 AM

neuroflare: This would have gone well if the thread I submitted about Doaner resigning with the Yotes got greened


re-signing? (4 years more)

/Yotes always be trollin'
 
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