I_C_Weener: "We have stopped sinking like a rock. Now we are only sinking like a waterlogged dead body."
SlothB77: There are 243,566,000 Americans at least 16 years old; and not in the military, prison, mental hospital or a nursing home.Of those, 88,921,000 are not working nor have looked for a job in the past four weeks. In other words, 37% of people capable of working don't even attempt to get a job. Another 12,544,000 are looking for work, but remain unemployed, which is 5% of the pool of people capable of working.Of the pool of people capable of working, only 58% of them are actually working - 142,101,000 people.Assuming a US population of 315,000,000 people, that is only 45% of the total population of the USA that works.Obama's America
I_C_Weener: Exactly. Without decent growth, the job creation cannot keep up with new workers joining the job market. That is the biggest issue. So, saying he created some jobs over the past few years that hasn't kept up with the predictible trend of new workers....is like saying his record is "less bad than if he did nothing". "Obama...not as bad as it could have been." "We have stopped sinking like a rock. Now we are only sinking like a waterlogged dead body."
impaler: MyRandomName: Why didn't Carter speak at the dnc?Because he did?Link
MyRandomName: Pincy: TIKIMAN87: ignatius_crumbcake: [img809.imageshack.us image 564x352]Bush still created 5 times more jobs than were lost in the last months of his presidency.That graph is misleading.So why didn't he speak at the RNC last week?Why didn't Carter speak at the dnc?
sprawl15: sprawl15: Halfway there!Continued...H.R. 8 - (no action) This bill extends the Bush Tax Cuts for another year. This specifically exempts itself from PAYGO. It also starts the restructuring of the tax code into two brackets (10% and less than 25%), reducing the corporate tax to less than 25%, repealing the AMT, and 'reforming' foreign taxation.H.R. 6169 - (no action) This bill implements the above restructuring.H.R. 1904 - (no action) This bill trades protected Federal land to Resolution Copper Mining, LLC in exchange for non-Federal land that will become protected (including imposition of eminent domain on local towns).H.R. 4402 - (no action) This bill extends the definition of 'infrastructure project' to include mineral mines.H.R. 3012 - (no action) This bill increases the amount of available high-skill immigrant visas and immigrant student visas.H.R. 1230 - (no action) This bill directs the Secretary of the Interior to conduct three specific lease sales of oil and gas in the Gulf of Mexico and one off the coast of Virginia.H.R. 1229 - (no action) This bill directs the Secretary of the Interior to end the moratorium on drilling and severely limits the ability of these company's employees to sue for failure to act in accordance with the law or company policy.H.R. 1231 - (no action) This bill ends the drilling moratorium.H.R. 2021 - (no action) This bill exempts Outer Continental Shelf oil/gas companies from the Clean Air Act.H.R. 1938 - (no action) This bill forces the Keystone XL pipeline to be approved.H.R. 2842 - (no action) This bill lets the Secretary of the Interior contract hydroelectric facilities that produce 1.5 megawatts of power or less.H.R. 2578 - (no action) This bill reduces the protected length of the Lower Merced River in California. It also throws more money at Hydroelectric power on the Diamond Fork System in Utah, sells tribal land to corporations, expands the Mission Walk in San Antonio by 137 acres, and about a dozen more misc ...
WhyteRaven74: So how would Greece defaulting on its debt affect a company in America that produces goods in American primarily for American consumers? Show your work.
Mrtraveler01: I'm still figuring out how any of this is "class warfare".
ignatius_crumbcake: Pincy: I'm sorry, did I say something earth-shattering?You agreed with the general concept that 'greed is good.' Corporations, like any other entity, act in their own self-interest. They are not altruistic, nor should they be. However, when corporations spend decades reducing the workforce and driving down wages while gutting the ability of workers to bargain for a better deal, all they do is reduce the amount of money flowing around the middle class. That means fewer people buying TVs and cars and eating at restaurants. They are hurting themselves in the long run by trying to boost profits in the short run.What benefits the overall economy more: 100 people making an extra $10k a year, or one person making an extra $1 million?
Pincy: I'm sorry, did I say something earth-shattering?
Mrtraveler01: The fact he's too chickenshiat to put the title of those bills in front of it's designated number shows that even he knows those bills would do jackshiat to spur job growth.
leviosaurus: thurstonxhowell: leviosaurus: Would you play Russian Roulette with a four barrel gun?[cdn3.hark.com image 320x240]GUNS DO NOT WORK THAT WAY!erm... a four chamber revolver. That's what I actually said. The filter must've messed it up. Yeah, that's the ticket.
coeyagi: soy_bomb: shastacola: soy_bomb: 368,000 people dropped out the job market, 96,000 found jobs. That's a recovery?So the private sector won't hire despite paying the lowest taxes in history and the republicans will not pass a jobs bill.Yea, they have been slacking....H. Res. 72 - Passed by the House (391-28) on February 11, 2011H.R. 872 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 910 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.J. Res. 37 - Senate has blocked a companion measure by a vote of 46-52H.R. 2018 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 1315 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 2587 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 2401 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 2681 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 2250 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 2273 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 3094 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 3010 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 527 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 10 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 1633 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 1837 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 2087 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 4078 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 9 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 4 - Signed into law by the President on April 14, 2011H.R. 436 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 674 - Signed into law by the President on November 21, 2011H.R. 3630 - Signed into law by the President on February 22, 2012H.R. 8 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 6169 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 3078 - Signed by the President on October 21, 2011H.R. 3079 - Signed by the President on October 21, 2011H.R. 3080 - Signed by the President on October 21, 2011H.R. 1904 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 658 - Signed by the President on February 14, 2012H.R. 4105 - Signed into law by the President on March 13, 2012H.R. 4402 - Senate has taken no action to dateH.R. 1249 - Signed into law by the President ...
WhyteRaven74: And then there's the fact there are fewer people with money to buy what you make.
qorkfiend: Gyrfalcon: Now is as good a time as any to ask a question that bugs me about this metric: What the hell does it mean "given up looking for a job"??What does that mean? What CAN it mean? Does it mean that people have accepted living homeless and broke is now their lot in life and that they no longer even seek employment? Does it mean they've just stopped collecting unemployment? That they've merely stopped using regular (i.e. government tracked) employment agencies? Or that when asked, they flippantly replied, "Nah, I've stopped even looking for work"? Or were previously the unemployed job-seekers being classed as "employed" as in "employed in seeking employment"?It seems to me there are only two states of being: Either you are employed or you are not. And regardless of whether you are "looking" for a job or have "given up looking" and resigned yourself to eating scraps from the dumpster behind McDonalds, in both cases you are NOT EMPLOYED.Is there some other, third state of being regarding jobs I'm unaware of? Or is this like how the budget was artificially lowered by not counting war costs, only in reverse: "We've decided that the unemployed job-seekers are now officially unemployed and no longer officially...unemployed"?I guess there's the people who aren't legally eligible to work.
skullkrusher: what do you think has changed? Suddenly what happened in the past 4 or 5 years to make things different?
WhyteRaven74: BigJake: this is a joke, rightNope. By having people fewer people do more work you're wearing out your employees faster also making growth in productivity harder to achieve. And then there's the fact there are fewer people with money to buy what you make. This used to be standard for every CEO, they understood that what might seem good on paper today could actually be bad tomorrow.
jst3p: sprawl15: jst3p: Cheesecake, with its lack of a top crust, is technically a pie. And cheesecake is greater than cherry pie.The best cheesecake doesn't need a crust. Just a crumble./seriously, the trick to cheesecake is to rice the cream cheeseupgrade the exaust, body kits, nitrous, spoilers, speakers, lights?[www.civicforumz.com image 400x300]
leviosaurus: Would you play Russian Roulette with a four barrel gun?
JokerMattly: leviosaurus: MisterLoki: [i568.photobucket.com image 380x446]People keep posting that as if it means Obama is a lock for re-election. If that's what you think it means, then you don't understand what it says. Those aren't poll numbers, they're odds. It's saying Romney has a little worse than a 1 in 4 chance of winning the election. Sure, Obama is in a better position, but that is a long, long way from certain victory. Would you play Russian Roulette with a four barrel gun? If you're an Obama supporter and that sounds like lousy odds to you, then you shouldn't be happy with these numbers.In politics, a 77% percent chance for victory might as well be a landslide.Similarly, if you get a poll back and its 60/40, you do not get excited because you're only 20 points behind your opponent. you don't say "Well, he's only got 60%!"Anyhow, it's an aggregate of electoral math. Common sense says that Romney's losing his footholds and his paths to 270 - that's one of the reasons why Obama is up nearly 10% in the last week.
make me some tea: I love these back and forths.Person 1: "More people have lost their jobs under Obama."Person 2: "No they haven't, the job losses started with Bush, and here are some graphs that show that."Person 1: "Those graphs are misleading."Person 2: "How? Explain."Person 1: "Congress was run by the Democrats starting in 2006, that's why the economy crashed."Person 2: "Congress has been stifled by the Republicans starting in 2010, that's why the economy is stalled."etc.
sprawl15: jst3p: Cheesecake, with its lack of a top crust, is technically a pie. And cheesecake is greater than cherry pie.The best cheesecake doesn't need a crust. Just a crumble./seriously, the trick to cheesecake is to rice the cream cheese
praymantis: CPennypacker: TIKIMAN87: AdolfOliverPanties: Obama's plans work. Steady job growth, even though the GOP has fought and blocked everything that would help.The stock market is at record highs and corporations have never made more profits.The stock market is high becuase his buddy Ben Bernanke has printed trillions of dollars into the system. The market is inflated and will crash even harder in the end.Obama has all 3 branches in his first 2 years and yet he passed no jobs bills. Only cramming health care through.FALSEHey I can do that too TRUE
soy_bomb: 368,000 people dropped out the job market, 96,000 found jobs. That's a recovery?
MisterLoki: [i568.photobucket.com image 380x446]
TIKIMAN87: Bush still created 5 times more jobs than were lost in the last months of his presidency.
Agneska: Obamanomics don't work. But don't worry, he'll shower you with food stamps as you stand on the unemployment line.
TIKIMAN87: 386,000 people dropped from looking for employment last month.96,000 jobs created and unemployment drops .2%. WTFThis is Obamas America everybody. Sucking off the government.Throw his ass out!
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