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2012-09-07 04:53:41 PM
Would you people please stop posting economic drivel in the middle of a pie thread?

Thanks!
 
2012-09-07 04:54:02 PM

Saiga410: The wage freeze ended 2 years ago


Interesting, hadn't heard about that, though plenty of outlets have mentioned the freeze over the last year. So be it, it's ended.
 
2012-09-07 04:54:08 PM

Mrtraveler01: phreezen: Mrtraveler01: phreezen: This is the Dems attack on Wall Street, Profits and then blame them.

So all you got is hyperbole with nothing to back it up?

More questions? Try answering one.

Which one do you want me to answer first?


You can pick one. Don't matter. Taxes is fine.
 
2012-09-07 04:55:06 PM
Ok somebody help an old CPA with his math. (I know, you were told there be no math).

If 96,000 new jobs is a 0.2% drop in unemployment, that means the total workforce is only 48 million people.

96,000/0.2%=48 million

The real workforce is more like 140 million. 96,000/140 million = 0.07%, not 0.2%.

140 million x 0.2% = 280,000 new jobs, not 96,000.

So, we just stopped counting 184,000 unemployed people? (280-96=184)

That means that for every person who found a job, almost 2 people gave up and stopped looking? (184/96 = 1.92 ~ 2)

What am I missing?

/spare me the "youre an idiot" responses and show me your math. I showed you mine.
 
2012-09-07 04:55:56 PM

phreezen: Mrtraveler01: phreezen: Mrtraveler01: phreezen: This is the Dems attack on Wall Street, Profits and then blame them.

So all you got is hyperbole with nothing to back it up?

More questions? Try answering one.

Which one do you want me to answer first?

You can pick one. Don't matter. Taxes is fine.


The class warfare claim is pretty weak.

I don't demonize the rich for being rich. There are lots of rich people who play by the rules, I just demonize the rich who abuse the tax code to get an advantage over everyone else while simultaneous complaining that the tax code is STILL UNFAIR TOWARDS THEM!
 
2012-09-07 04:58:00 PM

MFL: I've never seen a president and a party cry so much about not having a "true" filibuster proof majority in congress. No farking president ever gets this! (besides Carter who was almost as bad as Obama) What more does he farking want?


Would have been nice to have had it for the full two years. Franken's election results were held up for months and then Kennedy was out of commission most of the time and not voting, so you know, they only really had that 'filibuster proof' thingy for about 2 months.
 
2012-09-07 04:58:02 PM

jst3p: This is an overly simplified explanation but it should get you in the ballpark of understanding why trickle down does not work.


I understand why trickle down doesn't work.

jst3p: Cutting taxes so that those at the top see the benefit does not benefit those who would buy things. If the poeple don't have money to buy, there is no demand. If there is no demand then business don't need to increase production. If they don't need to increase production they don't invest in capital which includes hiring workers. Instead those at the top sit on their money or invest overseas.

Supply side economics does not work, growth has be be demand driven.


Sure. Cutting taxes on the wealthiest does not lead to growth because growth comes when there is demand. That doesn't explain why trickle down is responsible for the current employment situation. It'd be one thing if the consumption classes were bearing a historically high tax burden to benefit the wealthier "job creators" but they're not. We're putting the "cost" of those wealthier tax cuts on our tab.
 
2012-09-07 04:58:13 PM
This is devastating news for a failed President who proved in his speech last night that he is exhausted and out of ideas. Other than "more of the same," Obama had nothing to offer, and this morning was a startling reminder that "more of the same" is a recipe for four more years of failure.

If things are so rosy, WHERE ARE THE JOBS??????
 
2012-09-07 04:58:16 PM

MFL:

There is nobody in charge in that whitehouse.


That do nothing president turned our country socialist and athiest with his healthcare reform and Islam he learned from that Jeremy Wright church!!!!
 
2012-09-07 04:58:37 PM

WhyteRaven74: So how would Greece defaulting on its debt affect a company in America that produces goods in American primarily for American consumers? Show your work.


A default in Greece is going to leave a whole lot of both European and American investors holding the bag even more than they already are if they hold any of their sovereign debt. Those same investors, and others, are likely to be shafted even more by the follow-on effects from such a default that occur in Italy and Spain. If either of those countries find themselves unable to borrow, the Euro stands a good chance of collapsing. Even if that doesn't happen, imports are extremely likely to slow further throughout the Eurozone, hurting a lot of companies such as Caterpillar and Boeing, farmers here in Washington, and about a million others. American companies and farmers that buy from American producers that sell primarily to Americans.

Do you think the fallout from our mortgage crisis didn't affect the European economy? Are you really this dense or is it just an act?
 
2012-09-07 05:00:49 PM

tony41454: This is devastating news for a failed President who proved in his speech last night that he is exhausted and out of ideas. Other than "more of the same," Obama had nothing to offer, and this morning was a startling reminder that "more of the same" is a recipe for four more years of failure.

If things are so rosy, WHERE ARE THE JOBS??????


Unlike you, I have a job.
 
2012-09-07 05:08:12 PM

skullkrusher: Cutting taxes on the wealthiest does not lead to growth because growth comes when there is demand.


Circular logic. You can do better than that, surely.

Cut to the chase, skull. Economic growth begins somewherein the supply/demand process: where do you think it happens?
 
2012-09-07 05:08:24 PM

sprawl15: H. Res. 72 - (no action) This bill tells major departments to basically audit themselves and do a book report on it. There is no action taken by anyone involved beyond a paperwork drill.
H.R. 872 - (no action) This bill removes authority by both the state and the EPA to prevent people from spraying pesticides into navigable waters.
H.R. 910 - (no action) This bill eliminates the ability of the EPA to control greenhouse gasses for purposes of mitigating climate change.
H.J. Res. 37 - (voted down by Senate) This bill eliminates Net Neutrality
H.R. 2018 - (no action) This bill effectively transfers all control of water pollution to the states.
H.R. 1315 - (no action) This bill allows the two Dodd-Frank regulatory agencies to overrule eachother when it comes to striking down regulations. It also creates piles of paperwork when creating new regulations. It also vaporizes the FHA home lone program.
H.R. 2587 - (no action) This bill prevents the NLRB from ordering any employer to close, relocate, or transfer employment for any reason.
H.R. 2401 - (no action) This bill guts the Clean Air Act, while adding roadblocks to most EPA programs.
H.R. 2681 - (no action) This bill exempts the cement industry from the National Emission Standards for Hazardous Air Pollutants and from trash incineration hazardous materials standards
H.R. 2250 - (no action) This bill eliminates a swath of hazardous material standards and hamstrings potential future replacement of these regulations
H.R. 2273 - (no action) This bill allows states to let coal power plants dump their waste in landfills
H.R. 3094 - (no action) This bill lets the NLRB determine the unit allowed to collectively bargain, rather than organization by company, shop, plant, etc.
H.R. 3010 - (no action) This bill requires a huge amount of paperwork drills to be run before executive branch rules changes can be enacted
H.R. 527 - (no action) This bill expands the RFA to tribal organizations.
H.R. 10 - (no action) This bill requires ...


Thank you for this, I'm going to save for when I get this "talking point" on Facebook.
 
2012-09-07 05:22:22 PM

WhyteRaven74: BigJake: Why should anyone listen to anything you have to say when you get proven wrong time and time again, and won't even acknowledge it?

So how would Greece defaulting on its debt affect a company in America that produces goods in American primarily for American consumers? Show your work.


Because companies in the US making thing for the US market don't need to borrow, and therefore never become customers competing for services the global financial process (which includes sovereign debt)?
 
2012-09-07 05:34:04 PM

The Jami Turman Fan Club: Sybarite: ignatius_crumbcake: I_C_Weener: ignatius_crumbcake: [img809.imageshack.us image 564x352]


Just out of curiosity...why is unemployement still over 8% then?  Maybe job creation isn't keeping up with job losses...or something else is at work here....  hmmm.

About 130k new workers enter the job market every month. Guess they should have just borrowed money from their parents.


Your point is correct but the number is a little outdated. The CBO currently projects a labor growth of 0.7% annually for the next several years, so if we look at the pre-recession level of employment - 140 million - that's 980,000 jobs/year or about 82,500/month. That number would be a bit higher (90,000/month) if you use BLS estimates on the growth of non-institutionalized population over age 16 over the next 12 months. Either way, somewhere south of 100K.

What you said does not contradict what he said.



I wasn't trying to. Just pointing out that population growth has slowed somewhat in this country and many articles that come out on the subject are still using numbers in the 125K to 150K range which are a few years out of date.
 
2012-09-07 05:35:14 PM

skullkrusher: jst3p: This is an overly simplified explanation but it should get you in the ballpark of understanding why trickle down does not work.

I understand why trickle down doesn't work.

jst3p: Cutting taxes so that those at the top see the benefit does not benefit those who would buy things. If the poeple don't have money to buy, there is no demand. If there is no demand then business don't need to increase production. If they don't need to increase production they don't invest in capital which includes hiring workers. Instead those at the top sit on their money or invest overseas.

Supply side economics does not work, growth has be be demand driven.

Sure. Cutting taxes on the wealthiest does not lead to growth because growth comes when there is demand. That doesn't explain why trickle down is responsible for the current employment situation. It'd be one thing if the consumption classes were bearing a historically high tax burden to benefit the wealthier "job creators" but they're not. We're putting the "cost" of those wealthier tax cuts on our tab.


If you are looking for a reason, one is that trickle down was never intended to work. It was intended to provoke a crisis that could be used as an excuse to cut New Deal type programs.

""The plan was to have a strategic deficit that would give you an argument for cutting back the programs that weren't desired. It got out of hand" -- Dave Stockman

Fark Link

Even Fredrich Von Hayek knew the score:


A 1985 interview with von Hayek in the March 25, 1985 issue of Profil 13, the Austrian journal, was just as revealing. Von Hayek sat for the interview while wearing a set of cuff links Reagan had presented him as a gift. "I really believe Reagan is fundamentally a decent and honest man," von Hayek told his interviewer. "His politics? When the government of the United States borrows a large part of the savings of the world, the consequence is that capital must become scarce and expensive in the whole world. That's a problem." And in reference to Stockman, von Hayek said: "You see, one of Reagan's advisers told me why the president has permitted that to happen, which makes the matter partly excusable: Reagan thinks it is impossible to persuade Congress that expenditures must be reduced unless one creates deficits so large that absolutely everyone becomes convinced that no more money can be spent." Thus, he went on, it was up to Reagan to "persuade Congress of the necessity of spending reductions by means of an immense deficit. Unfortunately, he has not succeeded!!!" Those three exclamation points, unusually effusive for an economist, are in the original.


So maybe we should just go with the Stockholm Syndrome solution?
 
2012-09-07 05:41:43 PM

skullkrusher: Pincy: Yes, it is. If more people had more money to spend then demand would be greater and the private sector would be creating more jobs. Trickle-down has created an economic environment which keeps this from happening.

explain


Many ways. It's sometimes states that "investment capital" creates jobs. Little thought is given to this statement. Yes, high-risk investments in entrepreneurial start-ups certainly helps create jobs, but even then, there has to be a demand for the start-up's product.

But not all investment is for new innovative businesses. Some is for boring old low-risk AAA investment. This money largely comes from the wealthy who have more money than they can spend. Is this investment money bad? No, definitely not. Can it be bad?

The giant global pool of money

That giant pool of money would have been substantially smaller if taxes were higher on the wealthy.
If that giant pool of money was smaller, the demand for mortgaged backed securities would have been smaller.
If demand for mortgaged backed securities was smaller, mortgage brokers would have had a harder time selling sub-prime loans.
If mortgage brokers had a harder time selling sub-prime loans, they would have issued less of them.
If mortgage brokers issued less sub-prime loans, less mortgaged backed securities would have become unprofitable.
If less mortgaged backed securities were unprofitable, fewer investment banks would have lost their shirt.

I think you see were this is going...
 
2012-09-07 05:43:48 PM

phreezen: I started this conversation with another person when you jumped in.


He does that a lot.
You need to get used to it and laugh at it the way everyone else does.
 
2012-09-07 05:44:13 PM

Mrtraveler01: phreezen: Mrtraveler01: phreezen: Mrtraveler01: phreezen: This is the Dems attack on Wall Street, Profits and then blame them.

So all you got is hyperbole with nothing to back it up?

More questions? Try answering one.

Which one do you want me to answer first?

You can pick one. Don't matter. Taxes is fine.

The class warfare claim is pretty weak.

I don't demonize the rich for being rich. There are lots of rich people who play by the rules, I just demonize the rich who abuse the tax code to get an advantage over everyone else while simultaneous complaining that the tax code is STILL UNFAIR TOWARDS THEM!


Huh? Does it make sense to you that you agreed that lots of rich people are playing by the rules but are complaining about those who aren't. You want to complain but rich people can't. Your solution to those who don't play by the rule is what? Raise taxes on the rich?
 
2012-09-07 05:44:18 PM

sprawl15: Halfway there!


Continued...

H.R. 8 - (no action) This bill extends the Bush Tax Cuts for another year. This specifically exempts itself from PAYGO. It also starts the restructuring of the tax code into two brackets (10% and less than 25%), reducing the corporate tax to less than 25%, repealing the AMT, and 'reforming' foreign taxation.
H.R. 6169 - (no action) This bill implements the above restructuring.
H.R. 1904 - (no action) This bill trades protected Federal land to Resolution Copper Mining, LLC in exchange for non-Federal land that will become protected (including imposition of eminent domain on local towns).
H.R. 4402 - (no action) This bill extends the definition of 'infrastructure project' to include mineral mines.
H.R. 3012 - (no action) This bill increases the amount of available high-skill immigrant visas and immigrant student visas.
H.R. 1230 - (no action) This bill directs the Secretary of the Interior to conduct three specific lease sales of oil and gas in the Gulf of Mexico and one off the coast of Virginia.
H.R. 1229 - (no action) This bill directs the Secretary of the Interior to end the moratorium on drilling and severely limits the ability of these company's employees to sue for failure to act in accordance with the law or company policy.
H.R. 1231 - (no action) This bill ends the drilling moratorium.
H.R. 2021 - (no action) This bill exempts Outer Continental Shelf oil/gas companies from the Clean Air Act.
H.R. 1938 - (no action) This bill forces the Keystone XL pipeline to be approved.
H.R. 2842 - (no action) This bill lets the Secretary of the Interior contract hydroelectric facilities that produce 1.5 megawatts of power or less.
H.R. 2578 - (no action) This bill reduces the protected length of the Lower Merced River in California. It also throws more money at Hydroelectric power on the Diamond Fork System in Utah, sells tribal land to corporations, expands the Mission Walk in San Antonio by 137 acres, and about a dozen more miscellaneous similar environmental changes.
H.R. 4480 - (no action) This bill pushes to expand deepwater oil and natural gas drilling.

Left out: all the ones that were signed by Obama.
 
2012-09-07 05:46:02 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: phreezen: I started this conversation with another person when you jumped in.

He does that a lot.
You need to get used to it and laugh at it the way everyone else does.


OK.
 
2012-09-07 05:46:25 PM
the democrats want everyone to be in the middle class. all in the same box. a box where they can keep you where they put you. a concrete box like a prison. we'll all be in there like children in a grade school class, along with the misfits and losers.

how about no? how about letting us all do our best to rise to our own station?
 
2012-09-07 05:47:33 PM
Is there a problem with Fark. Couldn't post for awhile
 
2012-09-07 05:52:32 PM

sprawl15: sprawl15: Halfway there!

Continued...

H.R. 8 - (no action) This bill extends the Bush Tax Cuts for another year. This specifically exempts itself from PAYGO. It also starts the restructuring of the tax code into two brackets (10% and less than 25%), reducing the corporate tax to less than 25%, repealing the AMT, and 'reforming' foreign taxation.
H.R. 6169 - (no action) This bill implements the above restructuring.
H.R. 1904 - (no action) This bill trades protected Federal land to Resolution Copper Mining, LLC in exchange for non-Federal land that will become protected (including imposition of eminent domain on local towns).
H.R. 4402 - (no action) This bill extends the definition of 'infrastructure project' to include mineral mines.
H.R. 3012 - (no action) This bill increases the amount of available high-skill immigrant visas and immigrant student visas.
H.R. 1230 - (no action) This bill directs the Secretary of the Interior to conduct three specific lease sales of oil and gas in the Gulf of Mexico and one off the coast of Virginia.
H.R. 1229 - (no action) This bill directs the Secretary of the Interior to end the moratorium on drilling and severely limits the ability of these company's employees to sue for failure to act in accordance with the law or company policy.
H.R. 1231 - (no action) This bill ends the drilling moratorium.
H.R. 2021 - (no action) This bill exempts Outer Continental Shelf oil/gas companies from the Clean Air Act.
H.R. 1938 - (no action) This bill forces the Keystone XL pipeline to be approved.
H.R. 2842 - (no action) This bill lets the Secretary of the Interior contract hydroelectric facilities that produce 1.5 megawatts of power or less.
H.R. 2578 - (no action) This bill reduces the protected length of the Lower Merced River in California. It also throws more money at Hydroelectric power on the Diamond Fork System in Utah, sells tribal land to corporations, expands the Mission Walk in San Antonio by 137 acres, and about a dozen more misc ...


By the way, next time anyone throws this BS idea out there, there's plenty of places online that already did the work for you. Link them to this to save up some time.
 
2012-09-07 05:52:53 PM

colon_pow: the democrats want everyone to be in the middle class. all in the same box. a box where they can keep you where they put you. a concrete box like a prison. we'll all be in there like children in a grade school class, along with the misfits and losers.

how about no? how about letting us all do our best to rise to our own station?


So you can crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women?
 
2012-09-07 05:54:15 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: colon_pow: the democrats want everyone to be in the middle class. all in the same box. a box where they can keep you where they put you. a concrete box like a prison. we'll all be in there like children in a grade school class, along with the misfits and losers.

how about no? how about letting us all do our best to rise to our own station?

So you can crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women?


so i can continue doing that, yes.
 
2012-09-07 05:55:00 PM

quiotu: By the way, next time anyone throws this BS idea out there, there's plenty of places online that already did the work for you. Link them to this to save up some time.


I like digging around in legislation.

As a randomly chosen example (seriously, this is the first one I picked) C&L only lists HR 2681 as reducing emissions standards from cement manufacturing, when it also includes emission standards on incineration of refuse from cement manufacturers.
 
2012-09-07 06:00:06 PM

impaler: skullkrusher: Pincy: Yes, it is. If more people had more money to spend then demand would be greater and the private sector would be creating more jobs. Trickle-down has created an economic environment which keeps this from happening.

explain

Many ways. It's sometimes states that "investment capital" creates jobs. Little thought is given to this statement. Yes, high-risk investments in entrepreneurial start-ups certainly helps create jobs, but even then, there has to be a demand for the start-up's product.

But not all investment is for new innovative businesses. Some is for boring old low-risk AAA investment. This money largely comes from the wealthy who have more money than they can spend. Is this investment money bad? No, definitely not. Can it be bad?

The giant global pool of money

That giant pool of money would have been substantially smaller if taxes were higher on the wealthy.
If that giant pool of money was smaller, the demand for mortgaged backed securities would have been smaller.
If demand for mortgaged backed securities was smaller, mortgage brokers would have had a harder time selling sub-prime loans.
If mortgage brokers had a harder time selling sub-prime loans, they would have issued less of them.
If mortgage brokers issued less sub-prime loans, less mortgaged backed securities would have become unprofitable.
If less mortgaged backed securities were unprofitable, fewer investment banks would have lost their shirt.

I think you see were this is going...


Trickle-down has permeated US economic policy for over 30 years. It just now is becoming a problem where it impacts demand? I know there are policy lags but that's a bit much. It's an interesting scenario you propose but they don't practice trickle down all over the world and many international banks also lost their shirts by being too heavily leveraged to MBSs and the derivatives which shat the bed due to the toxicity of the MBSs. I think it is overly simplistic to blame the employment situation on rich people having too much money. The issue with employment stems from a lack of stability in global markets. I think we're starting to turn the corner on that and once we see a few Qs of no catastrophe and steadily increasing good news, businesses will start hiring again.
 
2012-09-07 06:00:30 PM
www.washingtonpost.com
 
2012-09-07 06:09:39 PM

phreezen: Is there a problem with Fark. Couldn't post for awhile


BAN HAMMER
 
2012-09-07 06:10:39 PM

ignatius_crumbcake: [img809.imageshack.us image 564x352]


There it is! fark Romney.

There are only 2 kinds of republicans: Rich one and stupid ones. No one on here has wealth. So....
 
2012-09-07 06:11:41 PM

TheDumbBlonde: gameshowhost: TheDumbBlonde: ignatius_crumbcake: [img809.imageshack.us image 564x352]

 
Every time a Farker posts an Obama Job Creation graphic some gets a job,
 
Every time you make an assertion, a mongoloid is born.
 
Really?
 
Not quite racist but definitely racist approved.
 
2012-09-07 06:11:43 PM
Also - Drew is a republican douchebag
 
2012-09-07 06:17:33 PM

I_C_Weener: TheDumbBlonde: gameshowhost: TheDumbBlonde: ignatius_crumbcake: [img809.imageshack.us image 564x352]
 
Every time a Farker posts an Obama Job Creation graphic some gets a job,
 
Every time you make an assertion, a mongoloid is born.
 
Really?
 
Not quite racist but definitely racist approved.


Trisomy G-21 is a race?

/do the racists call them 'Tri.g' for short?
 
2012-09-07 06:18:04 PM

MartinD-35: I_C_Weener: ignatius_crumbcake: [img809.imageshack.us image 564x352]

 
 
Just out of curiosity...why is unemployement still over 8% then?  Maybe job creation isn't keeping up with job losses...or something else is at work here....  hmmm.
 
You frigging waste of DNA: the republicons in Congress failed to pass a very generous to small business (actually a previous republicon idea) jobs act because they wanted the country and our economy to fail. They are treasonist bastards and should be lined up on a wall the pasted with rotten fruit. Yes, something else is working here you idiot - the deliberate destruction of our economy by the republicons.
 
I can't imagine why it might be hard to reach across the aisle when this type of calm reasoned exchange can take place.
 
2012-09-07 06:19:03 PM

skullkrusher: I think it is overly simplistic to blame the employment situation on rich people having too much money.


They're getting more and more money, and they're not spending it. If they spent it, there wouldn't be an employment situation.
 
2012-09-07 06:20:17 PM

colon_pow: the democrats want everyone to be in the middle class. all in the same box. a box where they can keep you where they put you. a concrete box like a prison. we'll all be in there like children in a grade school class, along with the misfits and losers.

how about no? how about letting us all do our best to rise to our own station?


You will get in your middle class box and like it otherwise it is the re-training camps for you and you don't like that we have some nice death panels that would like to meet you. Get in line, you've already been reported.
 
2012-09-07 06:25:02 PM

impaler: skullkrusher: I think it is overly simplistic to blame the employment situation on rich people having too much money.

They're getting more and more money, and they're not spending it. If they spent it, there wouldn't be an employment situation.


Which would be an issue if the consumption classes were paying a higher rate than they have historically. They're not, they're paying a lower rate too. I don't
think the employment issue has much of anything to do with our current tax policy
 
2012-09-07 06:26:34 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: I_C_Weener: TheDumbBlonde: gameshowhost: TheDumbBlonde: ignatius_crumbcake: [img809.imageshack.us image 564x352]
 
Every time a Farker posts an Obama Job Creation graphic some gets a job,
 
Every time you make an assertion, a mongoloid is born.
 
Really?
 
Not quite racist but definitely racist approved.

Trisomy G-21 is a race?

/do the racists call them 'Tri.g' for short?


You sound caucasoid
 
2012-09-07 06:32:41 PM
i.qkme.me
 
2012-09-07 06:43:22 PM

WhyteRaven74: The people running things are different than they used to be. The people who ran things in the past thought of the larger economic consequences of their decisions and operated on the assumption that if it's good for the economy it's good for business, likewise what's good for business is only that which is good for the economy.


Ha ha! Good one. That's funny.
 
2012-09-07 06:49:27 PM

phreezen: Fight back from what, why not privatize social security and join the market.


You might want to ask those who retired in 2008 and lost their investments what they think of that idea. Social Security is a safety net program.

phreezen: This is why you won't get a fair tax.


Because it's a completely stupid idea?
 
2012-09-07 06:52:11 PM

skullkrusher: I don't think the employment issue has much of anything to do with our current tax policy



At least we agree that more tax cuts won't create jobs.
 
2012-09-07 06:58:31 PM

I_C_Weener: I can't imagine why it might be hard to reach across the aisle when this type of calm reasoned exchange can take place.


I got 98% of what I wanted.

Indeed.
 
2012-09-07 07:01:54 PM

skullkrusher: I don't
think the employment issue has much of anything to do with our current tax policy


Just like the inability of the skinny guy being able to breath has nothing to do with the rather large woman on top of him.

image.free.in.th

Skinny Guy = Business
Fat Woman = Government
 
2012-09-07 07:09:39 PM

Vlad_the_Inaner: I_C_Weener: TheDumbBlonde: gameshowhost: TheDumbBlonde: ignatius_crumbcake: [img809.imageshack.us image 564x352]
 
Every time a Farker posts an Obama Job Creation graphic some gets a job,
 
Every time you make an assertion, a mongoloid is born.
 
Really?
 
Not quite racist but definitely racist approved.

 
Trisomy G-21 is a race?
 
/do the racists call them 'Tri.g' for short?
Whoops!  Who is the retard now?  
 
Still pretty offensive.
 
2012-09-07 07:11:18 PM
Obama is the GOP Messiah ...

If by "Messiah" you mean some [educated black man] to pin all their sins on and crucify.

Obama didn't get us into this mess, we decided in the 1980s that false prosperity based debt was good enough. Wages have been stagnant for 20 years for everyone but CEOs and other executives.
 
2012-09-07 07:13:10 PM
Shorter

MFL: You don't need a filibuster-proof majority in Congress to get things done. You just need to be one of the following:

* A Republican president
* A Democratic president who does everything the Republicans want

 
2012-09-07 07:13:47 PM

mrshowrules: colon_pow: the democrats want everyone to be in the middle class. all in the same box. a box where they can keep you where they put you. a concrete box like a prison. we'll all be in there like children in a grade school class, along with the misfits and losers.

how about no? how about letting us all do our best to rise to our own station?

You will get in your middle class box and like it otherwise it is the re-training camps for you and you don't like that we have some nice death panels that would like to meet you. Get in line, you've already been reported.


it's quittin' time. how about i report to my nearest brew pub?
 
2012-09-07 07:17:23 PM

nmemkha: Obama didn't get us into this mess


True. Bue he isn't capable of getting us out of it either. Screw the hope, it's just time for change again.
 
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