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2012-09-07 09:26:42 AM
s8.postimage.org
 
2012-09-07 09:27:50 AM
it is literally more profitable to hijack a truck filled with cigarettes than an armored car

And, what if your family don't like bread? They like...cigarettes? Now, what if instead of giving them away, you sold them at a price that was practically giving them away. Would that be a crime, Bart?
 
2012-09-07 09:53:18 AM
So the red man gives the white man the gift of tobacco.
Then the ..... oh, fark it.

You people can't even keep from farking up a simple little thing like enjoying being able to smoke what you could grow in your own back yard.
 
2012-09-07 10:13:13 AM
How does one keep a cig dry during keestering?
 
2012-09-07 10:51:55 AM
Thank god that's a habit I never started. Bad enough to smoke, with all the carcinogens, but smoking just amplifies any other health issues you had unrelated to smoking and makes them worse. Tax the hell out of those fools who willingly poison their bodies I say!


/knocks back a scotch double
 
2012-09-07 11:13:19 AM
Prohibition didn't work the first time around either.
 
2012-09-07 11:15:15 AM
And of course if marijuana were ever legalised, smuggling and other criminal involvement would instantly come to an end.
 
2012-09-07 11:15:46 AM
That reporter doesn't have a strong opinion or anything. Sin tax is hilarious.
 
2012-09-07 11:17:10 AM
i.ytimg.com
Weird stuff.
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BUTT stuff.
 
2012-09-07 11:17:59 AM
Kim Kardashian and J-Lo wanted for questioning.
 
2012-09-07 11:18:28 AM
Buy loose and roll your own. An ounce of pipe smoke costs me maybe $3.50 or so and lasts forever. If I dried it a bit and rolled it I'd have more flavorful, better smelling and cheaper cigarettes.
 
2012-09-07 11:23:03 AM
Please post the tiny violin pic for the "poor" smokers.

/ex smoker
//understands the joy addiction of smoking
///no sympathy
 
2012-09-07 11:24:21 AM
"Butt-Smugglers" sounds like a Brazzers DVD.

Preferably starring Sophie Dee.

i2.listal.com
 
2012-09-07 11:25:20 AM
Mark Holmerg and Alix Bryan Reporting? or Editorializing?
Because if it's *reporting*, that piece has "literally" earned a truckload of [citation needed] tags.
 
2012-09-07 11:29:06 AM
In prison, smuggling things with your butt is known as "Cheeking".

"You get the dope past the guards?"
"Yeah, I cheeked it and they never found it."
 
2012-09-07 11:30:01 AM

orbister: And of course if marijuana were ever legalised, smuggling and other criminal involvement would instantly come to an end.


You price the taxes low enough and of course it would. Is there smuggling and criminal involvement with alcohol?
 
2012-09-07 11:34:15 AM
FTA: That's why it costs more than $11 bucks for a pack of smokes in Manhattan.

Eleven dollar bucks? That is expensive.
 
2012-09-07 11:39:39 AM
The question is: Should you do a GIS for "butt-smuggling"?
 
2012-09-07 11:39:39 AM

orbister: And of course if marijuana were ever legalised, smuggling and other criminal involvement would instantly come to an end.


You are absolutely correct. The black market in untaxed, cheaper weed will continue to thrive.
 
2012-09-07 11:40:07 AM
If you smoke after sex, you should probably use more lube.
 
2012-09-07 11:42:41 AM
 
2012-09-07 11:45:49 AM

MoronLessOff: Buy loose and roll your own. An ounce of pipe smoke costs me maybe $3.50 or so and lasts forever. If I dried it a bit and rolled it I'd have more flavorful, better smelling and cheaper cigarettes.


pipe tobacco isn't really for inhaling. gross.

i used to buy a can of American Spirit and a box of 200 filtered tubes for under $20, and packed them with a cigarette machine and had good, cheap cigarettes. when the federal tax on packs of cigarettes went up to a dollar (i think), the tax on loose tobacco went up over 1000%. suddenly it was over $40 for a can of American Spirit.

also, mentally ill people are way more likely than others to be smokers. taxing smokes means taxing sick people for their medication, and the mentally ill are generally much less wealthy than other people.

"Patients with mental illness have a higher incidence of smoking than the general population and are the major consumers of tobacco products. This population includes subjects with schizophrenia, manic depression, depression, posttraumatic stress disorder (PTSD), attention-deficit disorder (ADD), and several other less common diseases. Smoking cessation treatment in this group of patients is difficult, often leading to profound depression. Several recent findings suggest that increased smoking in the mentally ill may have an underlying biological etiology. The mental illness schizophrenia has been most thoroughly studied in this regard. Nicotine administration normalizes several sensory-processing deficits seen in this disease."
- http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0091305701006773

People living with mental illness have a very high rate of smoking. A study by The Journal of the American Medical Association reported that 44.3 percent of all cigarettes in America are consumed by individuals who live with mental illness and/or substance abuse disorders. This means that people living with mental illness are about twice as likely to smoke as other persons.
- NAMI
 
2012-09-07 11:46:19 AM

MFAWG: orbister: And of course if marijuana were ever legalised, smuggling and other criminal involvement would instantly come to an end.

You are absolutely correct. The black market in untaxed, cheaper weed will continue to thrive.


yeah - just like all that underground alcohol we drink
bathtub wine - hell yeah
 
2012-09-07 11:46:47 AM
 
2012-09-07 11:47:54 AM

gopher321: Thank god that's a habit I never started. Bad enough to smoke, with all the carcinogens, but smoking just amplifies any other health issues you had unrelated to smoking and makes them worse. Tax the hell out of those fools who willingly poison their bodies I say!


/knocks back a scotch double


government should not be regulating victimless behaviour. it is not their role to make you a better healthier person.

/not a smoker
 
2012-09-07 11:48:52 AM
News Flash: You raise taxes and people find a way to get around them.
 
2012-09-07 11:48:54 AM

cleveoh: Please post the tiny violin pic for the "poor" smokers.

/ex smoker
//understands the joy addiction of smoking
///no sympathy


it's not about sympathy for smokers - it's about what government should have the power to do.
regulating behaviours like this shouldn't be one of them.
 
2012-09-07 11:49:23 AM

meanmutton: You price the taxes low enough and of course it would. Is there smuggling and criminal involvement with alcohol?


Yup.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/feb/10/four-jailed-alcohol-smugglin g -scam
 
2012-09-07 11:51:15 AM

the801: also, mentally ill people are way more likely than others to be smokers. taxing smokes means taxing sick people for their medication, and the mentally ill are generally much less wealthy than other people.


Thanks for the citations that support your argument, but the menatally ill rarely vote, so they don't count much to politicians. So it doesn't matter unless one of the politicians has a mentally ill family member.
 
2012-09-07 11:52:21 AM
"And do you know who gets screwed the most? Poor people."

I've been saying that for years. Do-gooder knee-jerk extremists are ruining this country. Hope the anti-butt extremists are proud of themselves.
 
2012-09-07 11:52:51 AM

the801: also, mentally ill people are way more likely than others to be smokers. taxing smokes means taxing sick people for their medication, and the mentally ill are generally much less wealthy than other people.


that's very interesting. i didn't know that but it makes perfect sense. not surprising given the number of mentally ill that "self medicate" with one drug or another.

With a good as inelastic as tobacco, the tax burden is most definitely not shared equally between consumer and producer. This disparity is what makes behaviour-regulation like this so egregious.

It also stands in the way of the inevitable demise of the industry as again the producer shares a much lower burden of the tax.

It's a disgusting habit...regulating freedom.
Of course, so is smoking.
 
2012-09-07 11:58:41 AM

Pathman: yeah - just like all that underground alcohol we drink
bathtub wine - hell yeah



Say hello to my bathtub wine room.
 
2012-09-07 12:00:13 PM

FarkinHostile: Pathman: yeah - just like all that underground alcohol we drink
bathtub wine - hell yeah


Say hello to my bathtub wine room.

img.photobucket.com


/take 2
 
2012-09-07 12:00:56 PM
i46.tinypic.com
Wanted for questioning
 
2012-09-07 12:07:04 PM

the801: MoronLessOff: Buy loose and roll your own. An ounce of pipe smoke costs me maybe $3.50 or so and lasts forever. If I dried it a bit and rolled it I'd have more flavorful, better smelling and cheaper cigarettes.

pipe tobacco isn't really for inhaling. gross.

i used to buy a can of American Spirit and a box of 200 filtered tubes for under $20, and packed them with a cigarette machine and had good, cheap cigarettes. when the federal tax on packs of cigarettes went up to a dollar (i think), the tax on loose tobacco went up over 1000%. suddenly it was over $40 for a can of American Spirit.



Thanks for the insight. I don't smoke cigarettes. I didn't know loose cig smoke cost so much.
 
2012-09-07 12:12:27 PM
Something something mentally ill something something self-medicate something something smoking.

Eh.

*lights up a cigarette and cracks a beer*
 
2012-09-07 12:14:12 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com

This has been happening in NYC for years

/Give me 2 Pall Malls
 
2012-09-07 12:14:23 PM
So..just like in Goodfellas?
 
2012-09-07 12:15:42 PM

Tom_Slick: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x460]

This has been happening in NYC for years

/Give me 2 Pall Malls


So help me if that's a shot from said movie I just posted!

/very tiny fists and what-not
 
2012-09-07 12:18:50 PM
But... but... paying taxes is patriotic! Anyone caught buying these cigaretts HATES AMERICA and should be shot regardless of what they think reasonable taxation is!
 
2012-09-07 12:27:38 PM

MoronLessOff: Buy loose and roll your own. An ounce of pipe smoke costs me maybe $3.50 or so and lasts forever. If I dried it a bit and rolled it I'd have more flavorful, better smelling and cheaper cigarettes.


.
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I finally gave up smoking when Obama raised the tax on RYO taboacco 4,300%. Basically his very first act in office was to give the poor a good swift kick to the balls, and he has been nonstop kicking ever since.
 
2012-09-07 12:59:40 PM
Wow, I guess this is not just a Canadian problem. We had a news article today about the same thing:

FTFA:
Contraband cigarettes can be found in the homes of one in three smokers, said Bryans, whose organization represents 7,500 stores across Ontario.

The majority come in the form of 200 loose cigarettes sold in plastic bags and often originate from First Nations reserves, he said. Bryans said he has no issue with people driving to reserves to buy cigarettes.


I guess they've given up on the small personal use smugglers who make a rez run every couple of weeks and are after the bigger fishies now?
 
2012-09-07 12:59:56 PM

david_gaithersburg: .
I finally gave up smoking when Obama raised the tax on RYO taboacco 4,300%. Basically his very first act in office was to give the poor a good swift kick to the balls, and he has been nonstop kicking ever since.



So, Fartbongo saved your life and you're MAD about it?

/Some people.
 
2012-09-07 01:02:30 PM
Smokers should remember what happened when the 2008 tax increase was announced. Cigarette prices rose several months ahead of it going into effect and not only that, the price increased by more than the tax. Suddenly instead of paying $48 per carton I was paying $70 per carton.

Seriously, fark the tobacco companies. If you smoke, quit. I don't care about your health. I just want to see the tobacco companies die.

/madly puffs an e-cig
 
2012-09-07 01:03:49 PM
1. Google D&R Ryback
2. Purchase cheapest available
3. Wait for it to arrive in mail/load up on papers from ebay
4. Profit
 
2012-09-07 01:06:27 PM
*Insert Beverly Hills Cop reference here*
 
2012-09-07 01:11:48 PM

fireclown: david_gaithersburg: .
I finally gave up smoking when Obama raised the tax on RYO taboacco 4,300%. Basically his very first act in office was to give the poor a good swift kick to the balls, and he has been nonstop kicking ever since.


So, Fartbongo saved your life and you're MAD about it?

/Some people.

.
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Obviously you have never been educated on the concepts of regressive versus progressive taxation. The poor and middle class have been slammed with multiple regressive taxes in the past three years.

Heck, here in MD Dear Leader O'Malley just raised our Flush Tax by $60 p/month. What this means is that a person making $30k just got raped with a 2% tax on their annual income, but a person making $200k is only being hit up for a income tax hit of 0.30%. This is not just RAPE, its RAPE RAPE.

People like O'Bama and O'Malley aren't progressive, their just farking evil.
 
2012-09-07 01:13:29 PM

The Bird: [i46.tinypic.com image 273x441]
Wanted for questioning


checked in to make sure this was presented, leaving satisfied...Thank you The Bird.
 
2012-09-07 01:15:53 PM

Happy Hours: Smokers should remember what happened when the 2008 tax increase was announced. Cigarette prices rose several months ahead of it going into effect and not only that, the price increased by more than the tax. Suddenly instead of paying $48 per carton I was paying $70 per carton.

Seriously, fark the tobacco companies. If you smoke, quit. I don't care about your health. I just want to see the tobacco companies die.

/madly puffs an e-cig


i used to work in a tobacco store, and it was comical how much every store would over inflate increased taxes. they basically used taxes as an excuse to jack prices.

whenever there was a tax increase, we only increased the price by the amount it cost us. so, basically, a tax increase meant we got more customers, because, respectively, our prices got cheaper.

/ also, if you smoke, get coupons for the brand you like. that's the way to avoid high prices.
// it's funny working in tobacco. people would come in and say they're quitting, and we would earnestly say that we will miss them as a customer, but best of luck, because your health is more valuable to us than your money. weird to wish for some of your best customers to stop buying your product.
 
2012-09-07 01:16:06 PM
I've been saying this when this trend started of jacking up tobacco taxes higher and higher. It just proves that politicians have very little understanding of basic economics.
 
2012-09-07 01:18:55 PM

Evil Canadian: Wow, I guess this is not just a Canadian problem. We had a news article today about the same thing:


Same thing happens all over Europe. You cross the border from France into Luxembourg or Belgium into Luxembourg and there's loads of petrol stations (fuel is cheaper in Luxembourg than either) and when you pay, there's a little shop full of brands of cigarettes. Likewise, at Calais there's lots of shops selling booze for Brits coming over because the duty on alcohol in France is cheaper.
 
2012-09-07 01:20:27 PM

Surly U. Jest: Kim Kardashian and J-Lo wanted for questioning keestering.


FTFY
 
2012-09-07 01:21:35 PM
Known for smug buttling:

i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-07 01:22:21 PM

pute kisses like a man: weird to wish for some of your best customers to stop buying your product.


I imagine that oncologists feel the same way.
 
2012-09-07 01:24:02 PM

FarkinHostile: FarkinHostile: Pathman: yeah - just like all that underground alcohol we drink
bathtub wine - hell yeah


Say hello to my bathtub wine room.

[img.photobucket.com image 800x600]


/take 2


that right there is bad ass.
what's the story? that looks like a lab
 
2012-09-07 01:25:23 PM

fireclown: david_gaithersburg: .
I finally gave up smoking when Obama raised the tax on RYO taboacco 4,300%. Basically his very first act in office was to give the poor a good swift kick to the balls, and he has been nonstop kicking ever since.


So, Fartbongo saved your life and you're MAD about it?

/Some people.


personally i think that's the wrong attitude...for your own good legislation is anti-freedom. leave that crap for the nannystates.
 
2012-09-07 01:27:16 PM
Bad: smoking cigarettes
Worse: living in just about any large American city, where the air quality is, at best, horrible. But let's ignore that elephant in the room and revile smokers as some sort of incarnated evil.
 
2012-09-07 01:37:49 PM
Strangely enough, the keep your laws off my body crowd probably has no problem telling others what they cannot do with theirs.
 
2012-09-07 01:48:43 PM
When I was a smoker, the last pack I remember buying in NY state cost $2.52.
Moved away in 2000 and quit smoking.
Went back for vacation in June, pack of Cowboy lights costs $11.77 in Long Lake.
 
2012-09-07 01:50:40 PM

maxheck: Known for smug buttling:

[i47.tinypic.com image 485x639]


+1

Time to do the Fink-Nottle Newt Dance
 
2012-09-07 01:52:08 PM

Pathman:

that right there is bad ass.
what's the story? that looks like a lab


I belong to a wine making organization; The South Side Social Club.We make about 600 gallons a year together, and I do another 30 or so gallons on my own, as do several of our members. Hell, I know no less than 20 people who make their own wine, and good/great quality wine to boot. I know more people who make wine then I do who grow pot. I also know a few people who have their own stills and make fantastic brandy and grappa. 170 proof is the minimum for Italian "moonshine".

I think you would be surprised at how popular a subculture wine making is.
 
2012-09-07 01:54:28 PM

LaughingRadish: I've been saying this when this trend started of jacking up tobacco taxes higher and higher. It just proves that politicians have very little understanding of basic economics.


Let's raise taxes on sin to make people stop sinning so much
Let's raise taxes on income to stop people from making too much income
They don't get the relationship. It's either a mental defect or willfull stupidity. I'm voting the latter
 
2012-09-07 01:56:29 PM
But let me give you another tip. State and federal revenuers will be coming after this new wave of butt-smugglers hard.

So... many... jokes...
 
2012-09-07 01:56:39 PM

84Charlie: Strangely enough, the keep your laws off my body crowd probably has no problem telling others what they cannot do with theirs.


The only think I tell anyone to do with their body is to go fark themselves. Other than that, I don't care what they do.
 
2012-09-07 01:56:55 PM

meanmutton: orbister: And of course if marijuana were ever legalised, smuggling and other criminal involvement would instantly come to an end.

You price the taxes low enough and of course it would. Is there smuggling and criminal involvement with alcohol?


STOP
MAKING
SENSE
 
2012-09-07 01:58:12 PM

Smeggy Smurf: LaughingRadish: I've been saying this when this trend started of jacking up tobacco taxes higher and higher. It just proves that politicians have very little understanding of basic economics.

Let's raise taxes on sin to make people stop sinning so much
Let's raise taxes on income to stop people from making too much income
They don't get the relationship. It's either a mental defect or willfull stupidity. I'm voting the latter


So, Rmoney, right?
 
2012-09-07 02:03:02 PM
Did he say funky butt-smuggling?
 
2012-09-07 02:05:40 PM
If we switched to a consumption tax, this wouldn't be an issue at all.
 
2012-09-07 02:08:07 PM
youtomb.mit.edu

BUTT SMUGGLER!
 
2012-09-07 02:21:24 PM

rudemix: How does one keep a cig dry during keestering?


Saran wrap.
 
2012-09-07 02:31:29 PM

FarkinHostile: Pathman:

that right there is bad ass.
what's the story? that looks like a lab

I belong to a wine making organization; The South Side Social Club.We make about 600 gallons a year together, and I do another 30 or so gallons on my own, as do several of our members. Hell, I know no less than 20 people who make their own wine, and good/great quality wine to boot. I know more people who make wine then I do who grow pot. I also know a few people who have their own stills and make fantastic brandy and grappa. 170 proof is the minimum for Italian "moonshine".

I think you would be surprised at how popular a subculture wine making is.


very cool. i wouldn't be that surprised seeing as how popular the home brew has gotten...
but that aside - i think the point stands - of all the alcohol purchases made in the US, what percentage do you think is done illegally? not even pointing out the fact that private wine making isn't even illegal...
 
2012-09-07 02:32:26 PM

Gyrfalcon: rudemix: How does one keep a cig dry during keestering?

Saran wrap.



timesofindia.indiatimes.com

Strength in numbers.
 
2012-09-07 02:45:52 PM

blatz514: Tom_Slick: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x460]

This has been happening in NYC for years

/Give me 2 Pall Malls

So help me if that's a shot from said movie I just posted!

/very tiny fists and what-not


You know why he posted that pic? It was outta respect!
 
2012-09-07 02:46:27 PM
Pathman:



Hey, I was just commenting on the "bathtub wine" crack. And its toilet wine. Bathtubs are for making acid.

/I learned everything I know about winemaking in prison.
/not really
 
2012-09-07 02:46:30 PM
I often wondered why tobacco was so brown and cigars looked like dog turds...
 
2012-09-07 02:48:14 PM

FarkinHostile: Pathman:



Hey, I was just commenting on the "bathtub wine" crack. And its toilet wine. Bathtubs are for making acid.

/I learned everything I know about winemaking in prison.
/not really


ha - fair enough
 
2012-09-07 02:50:37 PM
e-cigs-reviews.org

Let's jack this into an e-cig thread again.

E-cigs are nonoffensive vapor (and could in theory be used anywhere), they have no tar, and the "juice" costs virtually nothing and wouldn't be very practical for govt to regulate because they're pretty small bottles with a long shelf life.

It's not perfectly "safe"- nicotine is still related to heart disease. We're not sure how much less harmful to the lungs a no-tar vapor is over smoking, but it's gotta be WAY better than smoking.

Also from what I can tell, people self-dose a bit better. I mean, once you start smoking a cigarette, most people have to finish it whether they need it or not, because of the expense and the fact that they had to trek out to a place where smoking was actually allowed to take a drag.

It's a harm reduction thing, it makes sense.
 
2012-09-07 03:10:34 PM

FlyingV936: But let me give you another tip. State and federal revenuers will be coming after this new wave of butt-smugglers hard.

So... many... jokes...


You know the writer pressed the period key and then impishly giggle at his creation after this one.
 
2012-09-07 03:12:13 PM
giggled, even.
 
2012-09-07 03:12:20 PM

Pathman: cleveoh: Please post the tiny violin pic for the "poor" smokers.

/ex smoker
//understands the joy addiction of smoking
///no sympathy

it's not about sympathy for smokers - it's about what government should have the power to do.
regulating behaviours like this shouldn't be one of them.


Regulate and tax tobacco because it's bad for you.
Regulate and tax sodas because they are bad for you.
Regulate and tax children't Happy Meals because they are bad for you. (nice try San Francisco).

The government thinks it has the DUTY to regulate behavior it deems inappropriate. Both sides of the aisle do it in their own way. The left goes after your health and how you affect the environment. The right goes after your relationships and sexual behavior. Both use the exact same arguments.

And with the government now neck deep into health care, it's going to get worse.
 
2012-09-07 03:26:21 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-07 03:40:29 PM

pute kisses like a man: / also, if you smoke, get coupons for the brand you like. that's the way to avoid high prices.


Yeah - every time I ever called the 800 number on a pack of cigarettes they sent me coupons. I suppose there's a limit, but I didn't call to get coupons - I usually called because I smoked a niche brand that was hard to find. If I still smoked I'd call every week and while smokers usually have a preferred brand there really isn't that big of a difference. In my early smoking days I used to buy whichever brand had the best promos. Oooh, a free lighter with 2 packs of Marlboros? I'll take those. Free t-shirt with the Camels? Okay.

Back around 1986 or so I don't think me or my roommate had to actually buy a single lighter. We had Marlboro lighters all over the place.

If you do still smoke and don't like the taste or hassle of refilling a Zippo go to Sam's Club and buy 50 Bic lighters. It's cheaper and it will take years for you to run out.
 
2012-09-07 03:46:09 PM

Boudica's War Tampon: blatz514: Tom_Slick: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 640x460]

This has been happening in NYC for years

/Give me 2 Pall Malls

So help me if that's a shot from said movie I just posted!

/very tiny fists and what-not

You know why he posted that pic? It was outta respect!


Go fark yourself Tommy!

*BAM

/dead Spider
 
2012-09-07 03:54:06 PM
What ashholes.
 
2012-09-07 03:55:27 PM

thelordofcheese: [i.imgur.com image 624x352]


Swayze Train!
 
2012-09-07 03:55:33 PM

Barnstormer: "And do you know who gets screwed the most? Poor people."

I've been saying that for years. Do-gooder knee-jerk extremists are ruining this country. Hope the anti-butt extremists are proud of themselves.


When those poor people come to the hospital for smoking-related illnesses, who's footing the bill?
 
2012-09-07 03:55:34 PM

OgreMagi: Pathman: cleveoh: Please post the tiny violin pic for the "poor" smokers.

/ex smoker
//understands the joy addiction of smoking
///no sympathy

it's not about sympathy for smokers - it's about what government should have the power to do.
regulating behaviours like this shouldn't be one of them.

Regulate and tax tobacco because it's bad for you.
Regulate and tax sodas because they are bad for you.
Regulate and tax children't Happy Meals because they are bad for you. (nice try San Francisco).

The government thinks it has the DUTY to regulate behavior it deems inappropriate. Both sides of the aisle do it in their own way. The left goes after your health and how you affect the environment. The right goes after your relationships and sexual behavior. Both use the exact same arguments.

And with the government now neck deep into health care, it's going to get worse.


"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victim may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated, but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
-C.S.Lewis
 
2012-09-07 04:09:38 PM

AllUpInYa: Barnstormer: "And do you know who gets screwed the most? Poor people."

I've been saying that for years. Do-gooder knee-jerk extremists are ruining this country. Hope the anti-butt extremists are proud of themselves.

When those poor people come to the hospital for smoking-related illnesses, who's footing the bill?


How about that $5/pack tax? The one they said was required to pay for the (non-existent) higher health costs of smokers.
 
2012-09-07 04:14:00 PM

FarkinHostile: Pathman:

that right there is bad ass.
what's the story? that looks like a lab

I belong to a wine making organization; The South Side Social Club.We make about 600 gallons a year together, and I do another 30 or so gallons on my own, as do several of our members. Hell, I know no less than 20 people who make their own wine, and good/great quality wine to boot. I know more people who make wine then I do who grow pot. I also know a few people who have their own stills and make fantastic brandy and grappa. 170 proof is the minimum for Italian "moonshine".

I think you would be surprised at how popular a subculture wine making is.


I used to make and barrel my own wine when I lived in Napa; when in Rome...
 
2012-09-07 04:16:44 PM

OgreMagi: AllUpInYa: Barnstormer: "And do you know who gets screwed the most? Poor people."

I've been saying that for years. Do-gooder knee-jerk extremists are ruining this country. Hope the anti-butt extremists are proud of themselves.

When those poor people come to the hospital for smoking-related illnesses, who's footing the bill?

How about that $5/pack tax? The one they said was required to pay for the (non-existent) higher health costs of smokers.


Thank you for explaining exactly why we need the tax!
 
2012-09-07 04:18:24 PM

david_gaithersburg: fireclown: david_gaithersburg: .
I finally gave up smoking when Obama raised the tax on RYO taboacco 4,300%. Basically his very first act in office was to give the poor a good swift kick to the balls, and he has been nonstop kicking ever since.


So, Fartbongo saved your life and you're MAD about it?

/Some people.
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Obviously you have never been educated on the concepts of regressive versus progressive taxation. The poor and middle class have been slammed with multiple regressive taxes in the past three years.

Heck, here in MD Dear Leader O'Malley just raised our Flush Tax by $60 p/month. What this means is that a person making $30k just got raped with a 2% tax on their annual income, but a person making $200k is only being hit up for a income tax hit of 0.30%. This is not just RAPE, its RAPE RAPE.

People like O'Bama and O'Malley aren't progressive, their just farking evil.


I see this same fun little game played on FOX News all the time. Six degrees of separation between any negative news story and Obama. His detractors mention him 3 times more than anybody else. It's almost like they have an agenda or something.
 
2012-09-07 04:21:50 PM
I think ill start buying cartons of smokes when I visit my folks in Delaware and sell them in NYC.
 
2012-09-07 04:26:33 PM

AllUpInYa: OgreMagi: AllUpInYa: Barnstormer: "And do you know who gets screwed the most? Poor people."

I've been saying that for years. Do-gooder knee-jerk extremists are ruining this country. Hope the anti-butt extremists are proud of themselves.

When those poor people come to the hospital for smoking-related illnesses, who's footing the bill?

How about that $5/pack tax? The one they said was required to pay for the (non-existent) higher health costs of smokers.

Thank you for explaining exactly why we need the tax!


Except the higher health care costs of smokers is a lie.
 
2012-09-07 04:40:13 PM
what?
no one types in with-
LUUUUUCCCCYYYYYY YOU GOT SOME SPLAININ' TO DO!!!!!!
 
2012-09-07 04:45:20 PM
Butts cost me $1.25 or thereabouts a pack.
So, Fark You!
 
2012-09-07 05:33:08 PM

david_gaithersburg: People like O'Bama and O'Malley aren't progressive, their just farking evil.


You are aware that it is the legislative branch, and not the executive branch, that enacts taxes, right? All the President / Governor / Mayor does is rubber stamp or veto the decisions of the legislatures.

Blaming Obama for a tax passed by a republican-controlled congress as a rider to a veto-proof bill is dishonest and inaccurate.

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2012-09-07 06:14:06 PM

OgreMagi: except the higher health care costs of smokers is a lie.


what's the reasoning there, that they don't live as long?

Either way it's the wrong way of looking at it. It SHOULDN'T cost society more because you chose to smoke. Car insurance is higher for people who get speeding tickets, why should it be any different for smokers?
 
2012-09-07 06:31:08 PM

OgreMagi: Pathman: cleveoh: Please post the tiny violin pic for the "poor" smokers.

/ex smoker
//understands the joy addiction of smoking
///no sympathy

it's not about sympathy for smokers - it's about what government should have the power to do.
regulating behaviours like this shouldn't be one of them.

Regulate and tax tobacco because it's bad for you.
Regulate and tax sodas because they are bad for you.
Regulate and tax children't Happy Meals because they are bad for you. (nice try San Francisco).

The government thinks it has the DUTY to regulate behavior it deems inappropriate. Both sides of the aisle do it in their own way. The left goes after your health and how you affect the environment. The right goes after your relationships and sexual behavior. Both use the exact same arguments.

And with the government now neck deep into health care, it's going to get worse.


yup
 
2012-09-07 06:49:57 PM
Even 10 years ago, well before bigger tax hikes, Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms officials were saying traditional organized crime is involved in New York's black market smokes, along with terrorist groups and street gangs.

Oh, FFS. Yes, the Taliban is selling cancer sticks to the unsuspecting public.

The only terrorist organization involved in any of this is the government and its $5/pack tax. Ditto for booze.
 
2012-09-07 07:33:08 PM

Pathman: OgreMagi: except the higher health care costs of smokers is a lie.

what's the reasoning there, that they don't live as long?

Either way it's the wrong way of looking at it. It SHOULDN'T cost society more because you chose to smoke. Car insurance is higher for people who get speeding tickets, why should it be any different for smokers?


Exactly, smokers don't live to the point of needing five years of very expensive care when they hit their eighties. It's those healthy, jogging bastards who end up costing more because they just won't die.

So it DOESN'T cost society more because someone chooses to smoke.
 
2012-09-07 08:04:12 PM

Pathman: OgreMagi: Pathman: cleveoh: Please post the tiny violin pic for the "poor" smokers.

/ex smoker
//understands the joy addiction of smoking
///no sympathy

it's not about sympathy for smokers - it's about what government should have the power to do.
regulating behaviours like this shouldn't be one of them.

Regulate and tax tobacco because it's bad for you.
Regulate and tax sodas because they are bad for you.
Regulate and tax children't Happy Meals because they are bad for you. (nice try San Francisco).

The government thinks it has the DUTY to regulate behavior it deems inappropriate. Both sides of the aisle do it in their own way. The left goes after your health and how you affect the environment. The right goes after your relationships and sexual behavior. Both use the exact same arguments.

And with the government now neck deep into health care, it's going to get worse.

yup


The government IS involved with health care for smokers, especially Medicare & Medicaid patients. Anyome who's ever visited a nursing home & seen the smoking related carnage already knows this.

Freedom! From consequences! Hey, smoke all you want or "Ride Free"on the highway without a helmet, those things are your choice as an adult. Don't make me pay for it with higher insurance premiums or taxes..
 
2012-09-07 08:54:37 PM

cleveoh: Pathman: OgreMagi: Pathman: cleveoh: Please post the tiny violin pic for the "poor" smokers.

/ex smoker
//understands the joy addiction of smoking
///no sympathy

it's not about sympathy for smokers - it's about what government should have the power to do.
regulating behaviours like this shouldn't be one of them.

Regulate and tax tobacco because it's bad for you.
Regulate and tax sodas because they are bad for you.
Regulate and tax children't Happy Meals because they are bad for you. (nice try San Francisco).

The government thinks it has the DUTY to regulate behavior it deems inappropriate. Both sides of the aisle do it in their own way. The left goes after your health and how you affect the environment. The right goes after your relationships and sexual behavior. Both use the exact same arguments.

And with the government now neck deep into health care, it's going to get worse.

yup

The government IS involved with health care for smokers, especially Medicare & Medicaid patients. Anyome who's ever visited a nursing home & seen the smoking related carnage already knows this.

Freedom! From consequences! Hey, smoke all you want or "Ride Free"on the highway without a helmet, those things are your choice as an adult. Don't make me pay for it with higher insurance premiums or taxes..


no argument there.
 
2012-09-07 09:21:12 PM

Pathman: cleveoh: Pathman: OgreMagi: Pathman: cleveoh: Please post the tiny violin pic for the "poor" smokers.

/ex smoker
//understands the joy addiction of smoking
///no sympathy

it's not about sympathy for smokers - it's about what government should have the power to do.
regulating behaviours like this shouldn't be one of them.

Regulate and tax tobacco because it's bad for you.
Regulate and tax sodas because they are bad for you.
Regulate and tax children't Happy Meals because they are bad for you. (nice try San Francisco).

The government thinks it has the DUTY to regulate behavior it deems inappropriate. Both sides of the aisle do it in their own way. The left goes after your health and how you affect the environment. The right goes after your relationships and sexual behavior. Both use the exact same arguments.

And with the government now neck deep into health care, it's going to get worse.

yup

The government IS involved with health care for smokers, especially Medicare & Medicaid patients. Anyome who's ever visited a nursing home & seen the smoking related carnage already knows this.

Freedom! From consequences! Hey, smoke all you want or "Ride Free"on the highway without a helmet, those things are your choice as an adult. Don't make me pay for it with higher insurance premiums or taxes..

no argument there.


You think people in government think so far ahead? All they see is an easily taxable minority. Tax the smokers because they don't have the voting power to matter.
 
2012-09-07 11:41:32 PM
as someone that's a casual smoker, cigarettes are a luxury item to me. I just bought my first "regular" pack of cigarettes in a few years (non indian, because I can afford it now, god damn it)

/going to enjoy the fark out of some camel menthols when I get to the bar in half an hour.
//mmmm.
 
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