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(Debka Files)   In A.D. 2012. War was beginning   (debka.com) divider line 49
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2012-09-07 08:52:30 AM
6 votes:
In 2012, War in the Middle East was ongoing, as it has been for every year since Israel was installed there as a country against the wishes of the rest of the region by a government 3000 miles away who had colonial power to do so, but no real local mandate or participation. Someone set up us the bomb.

Arthur Balfour: All your base are belong to us.
2012-09-07 10:21:44 AM
5 votes:
Debka?
Here's a grain of salt, you are going to need it
simhonytribute.webs.com
2012-09-07 10:17:51 AM
3 votes:
that looks kinda conspiracy sitey.

anyone got better citations that this is occuring aside from Tinfoil Hat Monthly?
2012-09-07 09:19:44 AM
3 votes:
War. War never changes.
2012-09-07 02:57:29 PM
2 votes:
DEBKAfile? Is this like the Israeli WND?
2012-09-07 12:22:46 PM
2 votes:

mark12A: That shameless hussy Israel, waving it's democratic, tolerant, free society in the faces of all those intolerant barbarians!! Destroy Israel! It's making the Arabs look bad!!


InigoMontoya.jpg
2012-09-07 12:09:25 PM
2 votes:

AcneVulgaris: Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?

If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.


If you had a friend that kept getting attacked for simply existing, even after he repeatedly thrashed his attackers, wouldn't you think there is something wrong with his attackers?
2012-09-07 11:18:07 AM
2 votes:

Weaver95: War. War never changes.



fc05.deviantart.net
War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles fought by mercenaries and machines. War - and its consumption of life - has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. ID-tagged soldiers carry ID-tagged weapons, use ID-tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored and kept under control. War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control... All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the battlefield... controls history. War has changed. When the battlefield is under total control... War becomes routine.
2012-09-07 10:35:04 AM
2 votes:

Galloping Galoshes: trotsky: It wouldn't. If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence. If Israel's smart, they'll stay out of it

This isn't Israel looking for a fight, this is Hezbollah looking to change the subject. I'm sure many Hezbollah see Turkey as a proxy for Israel, even though relations between the two have cooled substantially.


This is the same calculation as Gulf War I, when Iraq bombarded Israel to try to get them do do something that would complicate things.
2012-09-07 10:28:00 AM
2 votes:

WizardofToast: Alright, which terrorist set us up the bomb?


UP US. Set up us the bomb.
2012-09-07 10:21:59 AM
2 votes:
If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?
2012-09-07 10:18:30 AM
2 votes:

YixilTesiphon: Is this a trustworthy source?


They link back to Newsmax. So I'm sorta starting to doubt it. Every other headline is about how Israel is sick of dealing with Obama.

Anybody else have an opinion?
2012-09-07 10:15:02 AM
2 votes:
War; What is it good for. Absolutely nothing. Uh-huh.
2012-09-07 09:40:48 AM
2 votes:
Crab battle!
2012-09-07 08:48:23 AM
2 votes:
Name a A.D. year with no war.

/Bet you have to go way back.
2012-09-07 08:57:05 PM
1 votes:

Weigard: Israel goes on alert when a car in Jordan backfires.


If folks from the next county over where shooting katyusha rockets into your neighborhood, you might be a little nervous, too.
2012-09-07 04:01:45 PM
1 votes:

OgreMagi: give me doughnuts: AcneVulgaris: Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?

If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.

If you had a friend that kept getting attacked for simply existing, even after he repeatedly thrashed his attackers, wouldn't you think there is something wrong with his attackers?

Israel is the educated and free black man living in a white small town in Georgia in the 1860s.


....who keeps saying "Bring it on, crackers!"
2012-09-07 03:40:03 PM
1 votes:

mark12A: That shameless hussy Israel, waving it's democratic, tolerant, free society in the faces of all those intolerant barbarians!! Destroy Israel! It's making the Arabs look bad!!


Israel certainly is more democratic than most of the Near East, but it certainly isn't Sweden when it comes the toleration. Leaving aside Israel's campaign of forced eviction in and around Jerusalem, and the various injustices associated with the Settler movement in the West Bank and the Security Wall, Israel has some very discriminatory laws governing marriage and child rearing between Jews and non-Jews, particularly Palestinians.
2012-09-07 03:37:25 PM
1 votes:

give me doughnuts: AcneVulgaris: Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?

If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.

If you had a friend that kept getting attacked for simply existing, even after he repeatedly thrashed his attackers, wouldn't you think there is something wrong with his attackers?


Israel is the educated and free black man living in a white small town in Georgia in the 1860s.
2012-09-07 03:29:16 PM
1 votes:
Huzzah! The Sunni Islamist government in Turkey is supporting the mostly Islamist, Sunni rebels in Syria, which is run by a minority Shi'ite dynasty. Iran and Hizbollah, both Shi'ite Islamist groups/countries, are backing Syria.

Hizbollah would attack Israel if this is true because Turkey, as a member of NATO, is a quasi-ally of Israel, and because fark Israel; their whole purpose is attacking Israel. Also, Hizbollah's forces are mostly in Southern Lebanon, which borders Israel, and ONLY Israel. If the Sunnis win in Syria, Hizbollah is farked sideways, because only Syrian backing has given them so much power in Lebanon.

If you are looking for an Imperialist western role in this you are going to get eyestrain. This is all local Muslim shiat.
2012-09-07 02:34:38 PM
1 votes:
nong shrim nong shrim

ramenreview.files.wordpress.com
2012-09-07 01:48:31 PM
1 votes:

Slaves2Darkness: give me doughnuts: AcneVulgaris: Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?

If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.

If you had a friend that kept getting attacked for simply existing, even after he repeatedly thrashed his attackers, wouldn't you think there is something wrong with his attackers?

Yes, but my friend is not getting attacked for simply existing, they are getting attacked for stealing land.


That is why all those other Arab nations attacked Egypt and Jordan for not giving Palestenians a state between 48-67.

And there are all those attacks against Jordan for not giving Palestenians citizenship since 67.

And that is why all the countries around the world are mad at Egypt, Syria, Lebannon, jordan, Iarq etc for stealing all the land of jews who lived there and were since kicked out.

That is why after Israel gave all the land back to Egypt the country stopped having almost weekly "death to Israel" chants.
2012-09-07 12:16:56 PM
1 votes:
So, when are the Canadians throwing their Ghost Rock bombs?.

/Obscure?
2012-09-07 12:04:39 PM
1 votes:

zedster: Crewmannumber6: If it's anti-semitic to think that the nation of Israel is a failed experiment, then I guess I'm anti-semitic.

an experiment in what exactly?


Nation building
2012-09-07 11:59:15 AM
1 votes:

Magorn: You ARE aware that Paul Wolfowitz, has openly said that we went to war with Iraq to help Israel and that the WMDS thing was given as the justification for the war "For bureaucratic reasons" yes?


Funny how that worked. Israel told them they were attacking the wrong enemy. I guess the Wolfowitzes of the world were just a little arrogant there. "Just shut up and let us help you."
2012-09-07 11:58:21 AM
1 votes:
If it's anti-semitic to think that the nation of Israel is a failed experiment, then I guess I'm anti-semitic.
2012-09-07 11:49:47 AM
1 votes:

Galloping Galoshes: Heron: In fact before, say, this May or June, I hadn't heard of a car-bombing in Syria for 20 years or more.

Missed that point. I guess you don't remember Assad massacring the inhabitants of Hama a couple decades ago. After that Assad became particularly brutal, which discouraged further resistance until he died.


Hussein, Assad, Gaddafi, etc.were very good at keeping a lid on things, usually by shooting whatever was in the pot, but they did it. The last few years seems to be a choice between Lawful Evil and Chaotic Neutral. In Afghanistan in the late 90s the people seemed to prefer Lawful Evil. Of course reality is more complicated than a 3x3 grid.
2012-09-07 11:27:08 AM
1 votes:

Heron: I'm not writing to defend Assad, but bombings like this were pretty rare before we started teaching the rebels how to build, conceal, and deploy this manner of explosive. In fact before, say, this May or June, I hadn't heard of a car-bombing in Syria for 20 years or more.


Really? No one in the Middle East knew how to build a car-bomb before this? None of the Syrian Army defectors had explosives training? Yeah, EVERYTHING bad over there is our (or Israel's) fault. There's no bad blood between any of these folks, it's all our manufacture. If only we hadn't introduced firearms to them. But really, it's the Chinese' fault. They did invent gunpowder, after all.
2012-09-07 11:21:19 AM
1 votes:

Canton: trotsky: YixilTesiphon: Is this a trustworthy source?

They link back to Newsmax. So I'm sorta starting to doubt it. Every other headline is about how Israel is sick of dealing with Obama.

Anybody else have an opinion?

I'm not finding much more than the usual at Al Jazeera English. The top headline seems to be "Two bombings strike Damascus." Those would be a motorcycle bombing and a car bombing. Which is just another sad day in the region, to be honest. I'm not seeing anything striking regarding Israel or Turkey. The big news here is the civil war in Syria...



I'm not writing to defend Assad, but bombings like this were pretty rare before we started teaching the rebels how to build, conceal, and deploy this manner of explosive. In fact before, say, this May or June, I hadn't heard of a car-bombing in Syria for 20 years or more.
2012-09-07 11:18:39 AM
1 votes:

Clemkadidlefark: vudukungfu: Only way to win is not to play.

Didn't work too well for Austria


Switzerland usually does pretty well with this strategy.
2012-09-07 11:16:27 AM
1 votes:

Weaver95: War. War never changes.



siliconsasquatch.com
"War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by mercenaries and machines. War, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. ID tagged soldiers carry ID tagged weapons, use ID tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored, and kept under control. War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control. All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the battlefield, controls history. War has changed. When the battlefield is under total control, war... becomes routine."
2012-09-07 11:12:28 AM
1 votes:

Magorn: In 2002 It must have seemed like such a good idea to Wolfowitz and his cronies to take out Saddam as the perennial thorn in Israel's side.


Not to the Israelis. They always said Iran was the bigger threat.
2012-09-07 11:09:42 AM
1 votes:
Canada closes embassy in Iran, expels Iranian diplomats

Sh*t's getting real. Canada hardly ever closes its embassies.
2012-09-07 10:49:47 AM
1 votes:
3.bp.blogspot.com
2012-09-07 10:42:56 AM
1 votes:

trotsky: If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence.


You seem to think that this hasn't already happened. Before this war started, the Alawites had all of the cushy jobs, all of the connections, and ran the country. The Sunnis outnumber the Alawites by 6:1 and are poor and unemployed, unless they're in the military, in which case their loyalties are somewhat divided.

The Alawites are farked if the Assad regime falls. They might be able to hole up in the northwest part of the country, but right now we've got ourselves a good old sectarian civil war.
2012-09-07 10:34:31 AM
1 votes:
PCP is a scary drug.
2012-09-07 10:31:40 AM
1 votes:
my favorite meme evAr. could watch this about 37 times.
2012-09-07 10:30:14 AM
1 votes:
And away we go
2012-09-07 10:29:23 AM
1 votes:

palelizard: Assuming for the moment this is all accurate, why would this cause a response from Lebanon/Hezbollah against Israel?


Doing so makes sense for Turkey, as right now they have all these Syrian soldiers, ex regulars, milling around inside or just outside their borders. In exchange for coordinated leadership, a safe haven, and probably weapons, Turkey gets the rebels under discipline and under its control, which means no unpleasant cross-border problems unless Turkey is on board with them.

I would be a little surprised if this report were true, however. I see a lot of downside for the rebels, and Turkey as well.
2012-09-07 10:28:34 AM
1 votes:

trotsky: YixilTesiphon: Is this a trustworthy source?

They link back to Newsmax. So I'm sorta starting to doubt it. Every other headline is about how Israel is sick of dealing with Obama.

Anybody else have an opinion?


I'm not finding much more than the usual at Al Jazeera English. The top headline seems to be "Two bombings strike Damascus." Those would be a motorcycle bombing and a car bombing. Which is just another sad day in the region, to be honest. I'm not seeing anything striking regarding Israel or Turkey. The big news here is the civil war in Syria...
2012-09-07 10:27:31 AM
1 votes:

Father_Jack: trotsky: YixilTesiphon: Is this a trustworthy source?

They link back to Newsmax. So I'm sorta starting to doubt it. Every other headline is about how Israel is sick of dealing with Obama.

Anybody else have an opinion?

seconded.

man arent there enough of these sites being linked to from Fark already?


Indeed. If this was really happening then it would be all over Al Jazeera, Reuters, and AP. Anytime something happens with a NATO member and military action it is plastered everywhere. Especially if it involved Syria.
2012-09-07 10:23:27 AM
1 votes:
www.veezzle.com

Turkey is safe now.
2012-09-07 10:23:01 AM
1 votes:
Just for reference, this meme is over 10 years old.

Link
2012-09-07 10:19:18 AM
1 votes:
Wow, the remix of the song immediately started to play in my head as soon as I read the headline. Awesome.
2012-09-07 10:17:43 AM
1 votes:
What is it good for?
2012-09-07 10:16:53 AM
1 votes:
Is this a trustworthy source?
2012-09-07 10:16:20 AM
1 votes:
Israel goes on alert when a car in Jordan backfires.
2012-09-07 10:15:51 AM
1 votes:
Somebody set us up the Homs.
2012-09-07 10:00:11 AM
1 votes:
Only way to win is not to play.
 
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