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2012-09-07 08:41:09 AM
Hello Gentlemen.
 
2012-09-07 08:48:23 AM
Name a A.D. year with no war.

/Bet you have to go way back.
 
2012-09-07 08:52:30 AM
In 2012, War in the Middle East was ongoing, as it has been for every year since Israel was installed there as a country against the wishes of the rest of the region by a government 3000 miles away who had colonial power to do so, but no real local mandate or participation. Someone set up us the bomb.

Arthur Balfour: All your base are belong to us.
 
2012-09-07 09:19:44 AM
War. War never changes.
 
2012-09-07 09:40:48 AM
Crab battle!
 
2012-09-07 10:00:11 AM
Only way to win is not to play.
 
2012-09-07 10:15:02 AM
War; What is it good for. Absolutely nothing. Uh-huh.
 
2012-09-07 10:15:31 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-07 10:15:46 AM
Alright, which terrorist set us up the bomb?
 
2012-09-07 10:15:51 AM
Somebody set us up the Homs.
 
2012-09-07 10:16:20 AM
Israel goes on alert when a car in Jordan backfires.
 
2012-09-07 10:16:53 AM
Is this a trustworthy source?
 
2012-09-07 10:17:43 AM
What is it good for?
 
2012-09-07 10:17:51 AM
that looks kinda conspiracy sitey.

anyone got better citations that this is occuring aside from Tinfoil Hat Monthly?
 
2012-09-07 10:18:08 AM

WizardofToast: Alright, which terrorist set us up the bomb?


What you say?
 
2012-09-07 10:18:30 AM

YixilTesiphon: Is this a trustworthy source?


They link back to Newsmax. So I'm sorta starting to doubt it. Every other headline is about how Israel is sick of dealing with Obama.

Anybody else have an opinion?
 
2012-09-07 10:19:18 AM
Wow, the remix of the song immediately started to play in my head as soon as I read the headline. Awesome.
 
2012-09-07 10:19:28 AM
Move every Zig!
 
2012-09-07 10:19:54 AM

trotsky: YixilTesiphon: Is this a trustworthy source?

They link back to Newsmax. So I'm sorta starting to doubt it. Every other headline is about how Israel is sick of dealing with Obama.

Anybody else have an opinion?


seconded.

man arent there enough of these sites being linked to from Fark already?
 
2012-09-07 10:20:31 AM
Assuming for the moment this is all accurate, why would this cause a response from Lebanon/Hezbollah against Israel?
 
2012-09-07 10:21:18 AM
No shia.
 
2012-09-07 10:21:44 AM
Debka?
Here's a grain of salt, you are going to need it
simhonytribute.webs.com
 
2012-09-07 10:21:47 AM
CATS romantic profile.
Turn ons: Main screen.
Turn offs: Move ZIG.
 
2012-09-07 10:21:54 AM
Move every Zig!

For Great Justice!
 
2012-09-07 10:21:59 AM
If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?
 
2012-09-07 10:22:09 AM
Somewhere in the universe... a Mayan soul is giggling insanely and shouting "yeah baby, here it comes"
 
2012-09-07 10:22:26 AM
Finally, Bibi gets the next war he's always wanted.
 
2012-09-07 10:23:01 AM
Just for reference, this meme is over 10 years old.

Link
 
2012-09-07 10:23:27 AM
www.veezzle.com

Turkey is safe now.
 
2012-09-07 10:24:40 AM

palelizard: Assuming for the moment this is all accurate, why would this cause a response from Lebanon/Hezbollah against Israel?


Turkish officers give the rebels a central command structure, which makes them more potent as an adversary. It also signals Turkey is willing to put its money where its mouth is in terms of support for the rebels, which is bad news for Assad. Bad news for Assad is bad news for Hezbollah, as Syria/Assad is one of their two state allies, the other being Iran. Hezbollah is not about to take on Turkey, which is a muslim country; such an attack would undercut their legitimacy. So who can they hit? Israel, who stands to benefit if Assad falls.
 
2012-09-07 10:25:03 AM

palelizard: Assuming for the moment this is all accurate, why would this cause a response from Lebanon/Hezbollah against Israel?


It wouldn't. If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence. If Israel's smart, they'll stay out of it. They could potentially funnel support to the Alalwites/Christians who will likely be in the deepest shiat. On one hand it serves Syria right for de-stablizing Lebanon. On the other thousands upon thousands will die and the country will be a liability, just like Iraq after 2003.

Get rid of the bad authoritarian guy= major instability.
 
2012-09-07 10:27:05 AM
What happen?
 
2012-09-07 10:27:17 AM
freaky.thehappening.org
 
2012-09-07 10:27:31 AM

Father_Jack: trotsky: YixilTesiphon: Is this a trustworthy source?

They link back to Newsmax. So I'm sorta starting to doubt it. Every other headline is about how Israel is sick of dealing with Obama.

Anybody else have an opinion?

seconded.

man arent there enough of these sites being linked to from Fark already?


Indeed. If this was really happening then it would be all over Al Jazeera, Reuters, and AP. Anytime something happens with a NATO member and military action it is plastered everywhere. Especially if it involved Syria.
 
2012-09-07 10:28:00 AM

WizardofToast: Alright, which terrorist set us up the bomb?


UP US. Set up us the bomb.
 
2012-09-07 10:28:34 AM

trotsky: YixilTesiphon: Is this a trustworthy source?

They link back to Newsmax. So I'm sorta starting to doubt it. Every other headline is about how Israel is sick of dealing with Obama.

Anybody else have an opinion?


I'm not finding much more than the usual at Al Jazeera English. The top headline seems to be "Two bombings strike Damascus." Those would be a motorcycle bombing and a car bombing. Which is just another sad day in the region, to be honest. I'm not seeing anything striking regarding Israel or Turkey. The big news here is the civil war in Syria...
 
2012-09-07 10:28:40 AM

Lone Stranger: [www.veezzle.com image 600x600]

Turkey is safe now.


Awww ugly duckling

/bawk bawk
 
2012-09-07 10:29:23 AM

palelizard: Assuming for the moment this is all accurate, why would this cause a response from Lebanon/Hezbollah against Israel?


Doing so makes sense for Turkey, as right now they have all these Syrian soldiers, ex regulars, milling around inside or just outside their borders. In exchange for coordinated leadership, a safe haven, and probably weapons, Turkey gets the rebels under discipline and under its control, which means no unpleasant cross-border problems unless Turkey is on board with them.

I would be a little surprised if this report were true, however. I see a lot of downside for the rebels, and Turkey as well.
 
2012-09-07 10:30:14 AM
And away we go
 
2012-09-07 10:30:59 AM

trotsky: It wouldn't. If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence. If Israel's smart, they'll stay out of it


This isn't Israel looking for a fight, this is Hezbollah looking to change the subject. I'm sure many Hezbollah see Turkey as a proxy for Israel, even though relations between the two have cooled substantially.
 
2012-09-07 10:31:40 AM
my favorite meme evAr. could watch this about 37 times.
 
2012-09-07 10:31:53 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: WizardofToast: Alright, which terrorist set us up the bomb?

UP US. Set up us the bomb.


Do we have a grammar Kempeitai in the thread?
 
2012-09-07 10:32:12 AM

Galloping Galoshes: palelizard: Assuming for the moment this is all accurate, why would this cause a response from Lebanon/Hezbollah against Israel?

Doing so makes sense for Turkey, as right now they have all these Syrian soldiers, ex regulars, milling around inside or just outside their borders. In exchange for coordinated leadership, a safe haven, and probably weapons, Turkey gets the rebels under discipline and under its control, which means no unpleasant cross-border problems unless Turkey is on board with them.

I would be a little surprised if this report were true, however. I see a lot of downside for the rebels, and Turkey as well.


Is there an irregular?
 
2012-09-07 10:32:24 AM

Revek: Name a A.D. year with no war.

/Bet you have to go way back.


That's actually an interesting question. I think we're farked: Wikipedia's List of Wars.
 
2012-09-07 10:32:56 AM

Galloping Galoshes: palelizard: Assuming for the moment this is all accurate, why would this cause a response from Lebanon/Hezbollah against Israel?

Doing so makes sense for Turkey, as right now they have all these Syrian soldiers, ex regulars, milling around inside or just outside their borders. In exchange for coordinated leadership, a safe haven, and probably weapons, Turkey gets the rebels under discipline and under its control, which means no unpleasant cross-border problems unless Turkey is on board with them.

I would be a little surprised if this report were true, however. I see a lot of downside for the rebels, and Turkey as well.


Unless Hezbollah decides to infiltrate Turkey and start terror attacks with Iranian-supplied weapons and training.
 
2012-09-07 10:33:07 AM

Generation_D: In 2012, War in the Middle East was ongoing, as it has been for every year since Israel was installed there as a country against the wishes of the rest of the region by a government 3000 miles away who had colonial power to do so, but no real local mandate or participation. Someone set up us the bomb.

Arthur Balfour: All your base are belong to us.


Yeah, because it was all ice cream sundaes and pony rides and tea at high noon before that.
 
2012-09-07 10:34:31 AM
PCP is a scary drug.
 
2012-09-07 10:34:56 AM

mark12A: Move every Zig!

For Great Justice!


I was hoping someone would hit this line.

On a related note, has anyone else played Zero Wing? It's kinda fun.
 
2012-09-07 10:35:04 AM

Galloping Galoshes: trotsky: It wouldn't. If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence. If Israel's smart, they'll stay out of it

This isn't Israel looking for a fight, this is Hezbollah looking to change the subject. I'm sure many Hezbollah see Turkey as a proxy for Israel, even though relations between the two have cooled substantially.


This is the same calculation as Gulf War I, when Iraq bombarded Israel to try to get them do do something that would complicate things.
 
2012-09-07 10:36:27 AM
That's great right up until someone attacks Turkey and then NATO goes all Article 5 on their ass.
 
2012-09-07 10:37:02 AM
War is obviously something the people want. These war protesters need to STFU and respect that they have been out voted.
 
2012-09-07 10:37:08 AM

Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?


If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.
 
2012-09-07 10:37:32 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Somebody set us up the Homs.


i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-07 10:38:24 AM

ArkPanda: Galloping Galoshes: trotsky: It wouldn't. If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence. If Israel's smart, they'll stay out of it

This isn't Israel looking for a fight, this is Hezbollah looking to change the subject. I'm sure many Hezbollah see Turkey as a proxy for Israel, even though relations between the two have cooled substantially.

This is the same calculation as Gulf War I, when Iraq bombarded Israel to try to get them do do something that would complicate things.


Yep, you also had Hezbollah back Assad and they are now realizing that they will be cut off from Iran if he gets tossed out of Syria. With out that backing they are going to have to face both Israel and their enemies in Lebanon, of which there are many. The thing the West/Israel/Turkey has to worry about is Syria's sizable chemical weapon stockpile and where it ends up.
 
2012-09-07 10:41:20 AM
All your base are belong to us.
 
2012-09-07 10:42:31 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: WizardofToast: Alright, which terrorist set us up the bomb?

UP US. Set up us the bomb.


You have no chance to survive make your time.
 
2012-09-07 10:42:52 AM
your base your base your base your base your base your base
base base base base base base base base base base base base
 
2012-09-07 10:42:56 AM

trotsky: If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence.


You seem to think that this hasn't already happened. Before this war started, the Alawites had all of the cushy jobs, all of the connections, and ran the country. The Sunnis outnumber the Alawites by 6:1 and are poor and unemployed, unless they're in the military, in which case their loyalties are somewhat divided.

The Alawites are farked if the Assad regime falls. They might be able to hole up in the northwest part of the country, but right now we've got ourselves a good old sectarian civil war.
 
2012-09-07 10:43:03 AM

probesport: Lone Stranger:

Awww ugly duckling

/bawk bawk


Wait.... I had something for this....
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-07 10:43:20 AM

Weigard: Israel goes on alerthits the U.S. up for cash and weapons when a car in Jordan backfires.


FTFY
 
2012-09-07 10:46:28 AM

YixilTesiphon: Is this a trustworthy source?


Seems a little fishy to me. 

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-07 10:47:41 AM

probesport: Lone Stranger: [www.veezzle.com image 600x600]

Turkey is safe now.

Awww ugly duckling

/bawk bawk


You know, I've seen baby swans, and they're not ugly at all. Hans Christian Anderson was full of it.
 
2012-09-07 10:47:48 AM

starsrift: Revek: Name a A.D. year with no war.

/Bet you have to go way back.

That's actually an interesting question. I think we're farked: Wikipedia's List of Wars.


If you ignore the Byzantine Empire's wars that Wikipedia all lumps ltogether in giant articles spanning centuries... 1047. I think that's a reasonable distinction to make.
 
2012-09-07 10:48:19 AM
Wheeeeeeee!
 
2012-09-07 10:49:47 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-07 10:50:11 AM

vudukungfu: Only way to win is not to play.


Didn't work too well for Austria
 
2012-09-07 10:51:12 AM

vudukungfu: Only way to win is not to play.


how about a nice game of chess?
 
2012-09-07 10:52:58 AM

MadMattressMack: Galloping Galoshes: palelizard: Assuming for the moment this is all accurate, why would this cause a response from Lebanon/Hezbollah against Israel?

Doing so makes sense for Turkey, as right now they have all these Syrian soldiers, ex regulars, milling around inside or just outside their borders. In exchange for coordinated leadership, a safe haven, and probably weapons, Turkey gets the rebels under discipline and under its control, which means no unpleasant cross-border problems unless Turkey is on board with them.

I would be a little surprised if this report were true, however. I see a lot of downside for the rebels, and Turkey as well.

Is there an irregular?


Yes. Irregulars are militia, anybody with a gun who wasn't part of the Syrian Army.
 
2012-09-07 10:53:35 AM

ArkPanda: Galloping Galoshes: trotsky: It wouldn't. If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence. If Israel's smart, they'll stay out of it

This isn't Israel looking for a fight, this is Hezbollah looking to change the subject. I'm sure many Hezbollah see Turkey as a proxy for Israel, even though relations between the two have cooled substantially.

This is the same calculation as Gulf War I, when Iraq bombarded Israel to try to get them do do something that would complicate things.


Probably would be even less effective this time.
 
2012-09-07 10:55:10 AM

LandOfChocolate:


Will return next year for the balls thorougly licked article.
 
2012-09-07 10:55:10 AM
It shall be known among the survivors simply as the great war.

I'm investing in buggy whip stock just in case I survive.
 
2012-09-07 10:55:49 AM

Boudica's War Tampon: Galloping Galoshes: palelizard: Assuming for the moment this is all accurate, why would this cause a response from Lebanon/Hezbollah against Israel?

Doing so makes sense for Turkey, as right now they have all these Syrian soldiers, ex regulars, milling around inside or just outside their borders. In exchange for coordinated leadership, a safe haven, and probably weapons, Turkey gets the rebels under discipline and under its control, which means no unpleasant cross-border problems unless Turkey is on board with them.

I would be a little surprised if this report were true, however. I see a lot of downside for the rebels, and Turkey as well.

Unless Hezbollah decides to infiltrate Turkey and start terror attacks with Iranian-supplied weapons and training.


You may see some explosions within Turkey, but nothing Hezbollah would want to admit to publicly. Hezbollah might react more strongly, but anything they do to Turkey is just more reason for Turkey to help push out Assad.
 
2012-09-07 10:55:54 AM

Jubeebee: trotsky: If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence.

You seem to think that this hasn't already happened. Before this war started, the Alawites had all of the cushy jobs, all of the connections, and ran the country. The Sunnis outnumber the Alawites by 6:1 and are poor and unemployed, unless they're in the military, in which case their loyalties are somewhat divided.

The Alawites are farked if the Assad regime falls. They might be able to hole up in the northwest part of the country, but right now we've got ourselves a good old sectarian civil war.


Alawite, gentille Alawite
Alawite, je te boom today.
 
2012-09-07 10:56:14 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: probesport: Lone Stranger: [www.veezzle.com image 600x600]

Turkey is safe now.

Awww ugly duckling

/bawk bawk

You know, I've seen baby swans, and they're not ugly at all. Hans Christian Anderson was full of it.


What you fail to consider is that the ducks were specist little farkers. Might as well put little white hoods on 'em.
 
2012-09-07 10:56:34 AM

RDixon: It shall be known among the survivors simply as the great war.

I'm investing in buggy whip stock just in case I survive.


I was thinking of equine methane diverters. Ever rode behind those things?
 
2012-09-07 10:56:45 AM

AcneVulgaris: Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?

If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.


Zion, Zion, Baby! Just keep in mind that most of the Jewish people are work-a-day stooges like us. The people in Israel have had enough of their government too.
 
2012-09-07 10:56:53 AM
What you say?
 
2012-09-07 10:57:59 AM
So what kind of ending do we get if we kill Lavos now?
 
2012-09-07 10:58:02 AM

urger: That's great right up until someone attacks Turkey and then NATO goes all Article 5 on their ass.


If there's one thing that'll stimulate the Euro recovery, it's adding shifts at European ammo factories.
 
2012-09-07 10:59:01 AM

urger: That's great right up until someone attacks Turkey and then NATO goes all Article 5 on their ass.


Hmmm. How to rescue the European economy. War with Syria? (It worked for the US in WWII!) Naah, Syria isn't enough of a fight. Maybe Iran too. That would be a nice mess, what with the large muslim populations of various European countries, and Northern Europe attacking countries on or near the Russian border. Who needs Fulda Gap, we'll use the southern route. Not that I think Russia would react militarily to Turkish troops in Syria...
 
2012-09-07 11:00:23 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: WizardofToast: Alright, which terrorist set us up the bomb?

UP US. Set up us the bomb.


Actually, at least one of the screenshots in the video has it wrong too, so perhaps WizardofToast was quoting that.
 
2012-09-07 11:02:27 AM

zedster: ArkPanda: Galloping Galoshes: trotsky: It wouldn't. If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence. If Israel's smart, they'll stay out of it

This isn't Israel looking for a fight, this is Hezbollah looking to change the subject. I'm sure many Hezbollah see Turkey as a proxy for Israel, even though relations between the two have cooled substantially.

This is the same calculation as Gulf War I, when Iraq bombarded Israel to try to get them do do something that would complicate things.

Yep, you also had Hezbollah back Assad and they are now realizing that they will be cut off from Iran if he gets tossed out of Syria. With out that backing they are going to have to face both Israel and their enemies in Lebanon, of which there are many. The thing the West/Israel/Turkey has to worry about is Syria's sizable chemical weapon stockpile and where it ends up.


Are you referring to the WMD that SH sent them for safekeeping and that Georgie couldn't find in Iraq?
 
2012-09-07 11:04:48 AM
In other news, Israel announced today that they were changing the name the Israeli version of the F-15E from "Ra'am" to "Zig". Hebrew scholars are confused by the etymology of this name, as it has no obvious Hebrew roots...
 
2012-09-07 11:05:23 AM

Clemkadidlefark: vudukungfu: Only way to win is not to play.

Didn't work too well for Austria


Or the Melians.
 
2012-09-07 11:05:43 AM
In A.D. 2012. DEBKA was B.S.ing
 
2012-09-07 11:06:08 AM
Sept. 5, an Iron Dome battery was installed in Gush Dan.

origin.kaboodle.com
 
2012-09-07 11:06:19 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Are you referring to the WMD that SH sent them for safekeeping and that Georgie couldn't find in Iraq?


HS didn't send shiat.

Assad has always had chemical weapons.
 
2012-09-07 11:07:38 AM
In 2002 It must have seemed like such a good idea to Wolfowitz and his cronies to take out Saddam as the perennial thorn in Israel's side.

What they failed to realize is that Saddam's ruthless but secular Ba'athist rule was the only thing keeping a lot of the local would-be Jihadis in check. They further dailed to realize that after Wolfie and the boys made threatening noises towards Syria (back when Iraq looked it would the cake-walk they promised) That Assad senior, also a secular Ba'athist dictator would panic and cut a deal with all HIS imprisoned would-be Sa'alfist jihadis that he'd let them out of jail if they promised to pack up their guns and bombs and take their Jihadi zeal across the border to Iraq to fight the Americans.

The problem is, that war is over, and Iraq is really not a welcoming or safe place for those guys now, so a lot of those Jihadis got homesick, and took thier heavily armed, combat-tested selves back across the border and set thier sights on taking down the younger Assad.

And Israel, which expected to have a pacified pro-western Iraq and a weakened Syria on its borders now faces the prospects of bordering a de-stablized Iraq, A Syria controlled by violent , radical hard-line Salafists, an Egypt run by the Muslim Brotherhood, and a resurgent (iraninan-fueled) Hezbollah in Lebanon.


If only there was a book that ISraelis consider sacred that included a warning about sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind
 
2012-09-07 11:08:02 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: zedster: ArkPanda: Galloping Galoshes: trotsky: It wouldn't. If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence. If Israel's smart, they'll stay out of it

This isn't Israel looking for a fight, this is Hezbollah looking to change the subject. I'm sure many Hezbollah see Turkey as a proxy for Israel, even though relations between the two have cooled substantially.

This is the same calculation as Gulf War I, when Iraq bombarded Israel to try to get them do do something that would complicate things.

Yep, you also had Hezbollah back Assad and they are now realizing that they will be cut off from Iran if he gets tossed out of Syria. With out that backing they are going to have to face both Israel and their enemies in Lebanon, of which there are many. The thing the West/Israel/Turkey has to worry about is Syria's sizable chemical weapon stockpile and where it ends up.

Are you referring to the WMD that SH sent them for safekeeping and that Georgie couldn't find in Iraq?


No, because those don't exist. However, chemical warheads and scuds and frogs to put them on do
NYT - Syria Threatens Chemical Attack on Foreign Force
GS report on Syria Chemical weapons
 
2012-09-07 11:08:07 AM

zedster: Yep, you also had Hezbollah back Assad and they are now realizing that they will be cut off from Iran if he gets tossed out of Syria. With out that backing they are going to have to face both Israel and their enemies in Lebanon, of which there are many. The thing the West/Israel/Turkey has to worry about is Syria's sizable chemical weapon stockpile and where it ends up.


I wouldn't say "cut off", but the large stuff might have to go around the long way and use the Lebanese ports. Small arms and shipments will still make it through. It's not like Syria and Iran share a border. Hezbollah will just be more dependent on Iran for funding.
 
2012-09-07 11:08:26 AM

Galloping Galoshes: urger: That's great right up until someone attacks Turkey and then NATO goes all Article 5 on their ass.

Hmmm. How to rescue the European economy. War with Syria? (It worked for the US in WWII!) Naah, Syria isn't enough of a fight. Maybe Iran too. That would be a nice mess, what with the large muslim populations of various European countries, and Northern Europe attacking countries on or near the Russian border. Who needs Fulda Gap, we'll use the southern route. Not that I think Russia would react militarily to Turkish troops in Syria...


Perhaps they could round them up and concentrate them in certain areas, oh, call them camps.
 
2012-09-07 11:09:00 AM

madgonad: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Are you referring to the WMD that SH sent them for safekeeping and that Georgie couldn't find in Iraq?

HS didn't send shiat.

Assad has always had chemical weapons.


Started to have nukes too until the site got erased...
 
2012-09-07 11:09:42 AM
Canada closes embassy in Iran, expels Iranian diplomats

Sh*t's getting real. Canada hardly ever closes its embassies.
 
2012-09-07 11:09:56 AM

madgonad: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Are you referring to the WMD that SH sent them for safekeeping and that Georgie couldn't find in Iraq?

HS didn't send shiat.

Assad has always had chemical weapons.


Just keep saying that, over and over, and click the heels of your ruby slippers together, and it will come true.
 
GBB
2012-09-07 11:09:57 AM

gopher321: War; What is it good for. Absolutely nothing. Uh-huh.


Say it again.
 
2012-09-07 11:11:23 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Galloping Galoshes: urger: That's great right up until someone attacks Turkey and then NATO goes all Article 5 on their ass.

Hmmm. How to rescue the European economy. War with Syria? (It worked for the US in WWII!) Naah, Syria isn't enough of a fight. Maybe Iran too. That would be a nice mess, what with the large muslim populations of various European countries, and Northern Europe attacking countries on or near the Russian border. Who needs Fulda Gap, we'll use the southern route. Not that I think Russia would react militarily to Turkish troops in Syria...

Perhaps they could round them up and concentrate them in certain areas, oh, call them camps.


They have already. Some of the largest camps in France are called "the suburbs of Paris." They have an annual week-long celebration that involves shooting and burning cars.
 
2012-09-07 11:11:58 AM
Isn't this a good thing? Weren't we just talking about using force against Syria? Let them handle it now.
 
2012-09-07 11:12:28 AM

Magorn: In 2002 It must have seemed like such a good idea to Wolfowitz and his cronies to take out Saddam as the perennial thorn in Israel's side.


Not to the Israelis. They always said Iran was the bigger threat.
 
2012-09-07 11:12:59 AM

gopher321: War; What is it good for. Absolutely nothing. Uh-huh.


i820.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-07 11:16:27 AM

Weaver95: War. War never changes.



siliconsasquatch.com
"War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by mercenaries and machines. War, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. ID tagged soldiers carry ID tagged weapons, use ID tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored, and kept under control. War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control. All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the battlefield, controls history. War has changed. When the battlefield is under total control, war... becomes routine."
 
2012-09-07 11:18:07 AM

Weaver95: War. War never changes.



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War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles fought by mercenaries and machines. War - and its consumption of life - has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. ID-tagged soldiers carry ID-tagged weapons, use ID-tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored and kept under control. War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control... All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the battlefield... controls history. War has changed. When the battlefield is under total control... War becomes routine.
 
2012-09-07 11:18:39 AM

Clemkadidlefark: vudukungfu: Only way to win is not to play.

Didn't work too well for Austria


Switzerland usually does pretty well with this strategy.
 
2012-09-07 11:19:13 AM

MythDragon: Weaver95: War. War never changes.


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"War has changed. "


Damn it!.
 
2012-09-07 11:21:19 AM

Canton: trotsky: YixilTesiphon: Is this a trustworthy source?

They link back to Newsmax. So I'm sorta starting to doubt it. Every other headline is about how Israel is sick of dealing with Obama.

Anybody else have an opinion?

I'm not finding much more than the usual at Al Jazeera English. The top headline seems to be "Two bombings strike Damascus." Those would be a motorcycle bombing and a car bombing. Which is just another sad day in the region, to be honest. I'm not seeing anything striking regarding Israel or Turkey. The big news here is the civil war in Syria...



I'm not writing to defend Assad, but bombings like this were pretty rare before we started teaching the rebels how to build, conceal, and deploy this manner of explosive. In fact before, say, this May or June, I hadn't heard of a car-bombing in Syria for 20 years or more.
 
2012-09-07 11:22:12 AM

Magorn: In 2002 It must have seemed like such a good idea to Wolfowitz and his cronies to take out Saddam as the perennial thorn in Israel's side.

What they failed to realize is that Saddam's ruthless but secular Ba'athist rule was the only thing keeping a lot of the local would-be Jihadis in check. They further dailed to realize that after Wolfie and the boys made threatening noises towards Syria (back when Iraq looked it would the cake-walk they promised) That Assad senior, also a secular Ba'athist dictator would panic and cut a deal with all HIS imprisoned would-be Sa'alfist jihadis that he'd let them out of jail if they promised to pack up their guns and bombs and take their Jihadi zeal across the border to Iraq to fight the Americans.

The problem is, that war is over, and Iraq is really not a welcoming or safe place for those guys now, so a lot of those Jihadis got homesick, and took thier heavily armed, combat-tested selves back across the border and set thier sights on taking down the younger Assad.

And Israel, which expected to have a pacified pro-western Iraq and a weakened Syria on its borders now faces the prospects of bordering a de-stablized Iraq, A Syria controlled by violent , radical hard-line Salafists, an Egypt run by the Muslim Brotherhood, and a resurgent (iraninan-fueled) Hezbollah in Lebanon.


If only there was a book that ISraelis consider sacred that included a warning about sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind


It truly amazes me the lengths to which antisemitics will go to blame anything and everything on Israel.

Good lord, do you curse Jews when your breakfast cereal turns soggy?
 
2012-09-07 11:23:25 AM

Magorn: de-stablized Iraq, A Syria controlled by violent , radical hard-line Salafists, an Egypt run by the Muslim Brotherhood, and a resurgent (iraninan-fueled) Hezbollah in Lebanon.


Israel never wanted the Iraq war; the groups opposing Assad are more complicated than just Salafis, there's a large group of mainstream Syrians opposing him, and you're ignoring the very large Alawi/Sunni issue; and Iran has been supporting Hezbollah for years, and in fact is less able to support them because of the effects of sanctions, reduced oil income, and diversion of resources to other areas. Also, Syria will not be able to furnish anywhere near the resources to Hezbollah as in the past.

The biggest problem for Israel is the extension of chaos in the region. There will be a lot of loose cannon rolling around uncontrolled by any central government, plus the likelihood of more radicalized governments.
 
2012-09-07 11:24:19 AM

CygnusDarius: Weaver95: War. War never changes.


[fc05.deviantart.net image 600x627]
War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles fought by mercenaries and machines. War - and its consumption of life - has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. ID-tagged soldiers carry ID-tagged weapons, use ID-tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored and kept under control. War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control... All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the battlefield... controls history. War has changed. When the battlefield is under total control... War becomes routine.


One of the Best Sci-fi war novels I've read in a long time, probably because the author is ex-three inital agency and was in Afghanistan in late 2001:
danieljeffreygoodman.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-07 11:25:34 AM

probesport: Lone Stranger: [www.veezzle.com image 600x600]

Turkey is safe now.

Awww ugly duckling

/bawk bawk


m0.mattters.com
 
2012-09-07 11:27:01 AM

Generation_D: In 2012, War in the Middle East was ongoing, as it has been for every year since Israel was installed there as a country against the wishes of the rest of the region by a government 3000 miles away who had colonial power to do so, but no real local mandate or participation. Someone set up us the bomb.

Arthur Balfour: All your base are belong to us.


They've been bopping each other with clubs over the Fertile Crescent since biblical times.
 
2012-09-07 11:27:08 AM

Heron: I'm not writing to defend Assad, but bombings like this were pretty rare before we started teaching the rebels how to build, conceal, and deploy this manner of explosive. In fact before, say, this May or June, I hadn't heard of a car-bombing in Syria for 20 years or more.


Really? No one in the Middle East knew how to build a car-bomb before this? None of the Syrian Army defectors had explosives training? Yeah, EVERYTHING bad over there is our (or Israel's) fault. There's no bad blood between any of these folks, it's all our manufacture. If only we hadn't introduced firearms to them. But really, it's the Chinese' fault. They did invent gunpowder, after all.
 
2012-09-07 11:27:29 AM

Weaver95: War. War never changes.


The Romans waged war to gather slaves and wealth.
Spain built an empire from its lust for gold and territory.
Hitler shaped a battered Germany into an economic superpower.
But war never changes.
 
2012-09-07 11:27:41 AM

Carousel Beast: It truly amazes me the lengths to which antisemitics will go to blame anything and everything on Israel.

Good lord, do you curse Jews when your breakfast cereal turns soggy?


24.media.tumblr.com

I bet the Jews did this!
 
2012-09-07 11:28:21 AM
Damnit aniyn,

beat me to it
 
2012-09-07 11:30:47 AM

Heron: In fact before, say, this May or June, I hadn't heard of a car-bombing in Syria for 20 years or more.


Missed that point. I guess you don't remember Assad massacring the inhabitants of Hama a couple decades ago. After that Assad became particularly brutal, which discouraged further resistance until he died.
 
2012-09-07 11:31:19 AM

mark12A: Move every Zig


You know what you doing!
 
2012-09-07 11:39:58 AM

Heron: I'm not writing to defend Assad, but bombings like this were pretty rare before we started teaching the rebels how to build, conceal, and deploy this manner of explosive. In fact before, say, this May or June, I hadn't heard of a car-bombing in Syria for 20 years or more.


Okay, point taken. I did mean the Middle East as a whole, not Syria in particular, but I am probably wrong about that, too. (Although, at this point hearing about a car bomb in the Middle East is always sad but no longer shocking.)
 
2012-09-07 11:40:08 AM
In the grim darkness of the present there is only war
 
2012-09-07 11:42:17 AM

Heron: I'm not writing to defend Assad, but bombings like this were pretty rare before we started teaching the rebels how to build, conceal, and deploy this manner of explosive. In fact before, say, this May or June, I hadn't heard of a car-bombing in Syria for 20 years or more.


From what I understand, Syria is not known to publish those type of incidents to the general public, or even their own political allies, very much and for very good reasons.
 
2012-09-07 11:45:06 AM

Tainted1: In the grim darkness of the present there is only war


All kidding aside, I think we might be getting to a point that we're no longer fighting wars over the usual things. After seeing the GoTP intro again, I can see this to be the Weapons Companies biggest wet dream. Hell, in the future we might be fighting because the stocks went down (if we don't already).
 
2012-09-07 11:48:32 AM
Wow. Debka file. I have not seen that site in like a decade. Didn't even know it was around.

They're kind of the TMZ of Middle East conspiracy sites, only less reliable -- every once in a while they get a scoop, but you have to comb through a lot of bullshiat stories with no sources. To put it into perspective, they were partnered with World Nut Daily for a while. Very right wing and their sources, when they have any, are often right wing hawks with an agenda.
 
2012-09-07 11:49:47 AM

Galloping Galoshes: Heron: In fact before, say, this May or June, I hadn't heard of a car-bombing in Syria for 20 years or more.

Missed that point. I guess you don't remember Assad massacring the inhabitants of Hama a couple decades ago. After that Assad became particularly brutal, which discouraged further resistance until he died.


Hussein, Assad, Gaddafi, etc.were very good at keeping a lid on things, usually by shooting whatever was in the pot, but they did it. The last few years seems to be a choice between Lawful Evil and Chaotic Neutral. In Afghanistan in the late 90s the people seemed to prefer Lawful Evil. Of course reality is more complicated than a 3x3 grid.
 
2012-09-07 11:50:46 AM

Tainted1: In the grim darkness of the present there is only war


www.critical-hits.com
 
2012-09-07 11:52:40 AM

Carousel Beast: Magorn: In 2002 It must have seemed like such a good idea to Wolfowitz and his cronies to take out Saddam as the perennial thorn in Israel's side.

What they failed to realize is that Saddam's ruthless but secular Ba'athist rule was the only thing keeping a lot of the local would-be Jihadis in check. They further dailed to realize that after Wolfie and the boys made threatening noises towards Syria (back when Iraq looked it would the cake-walk they promised) That Assad senior, also a secular Ba'athist dictator would panic and cut a deal with all HIS imprisoned would-be Sa'alfist jihadis that he'd let them out of jail if they promised to pack up their guns and bombs and take their Jihadi zeal across the border to Iraq to fight the Americans.

The problem is, that war is over, and Iraq is really not a welcoming or safe place for those guys now, so a lot of those Jihadis got homesick, and took thier heavily armed, combat-tested selves back across the border and set thier sights on taking down the younger Assad.

And Israel, which expected to have a pacified pro-western Iraq and a weakened Syria on its borders now faces the prospects of bordering a de-stablized Iraq, A Syria controlled by violent , radical hard-line Salafists, an Egypt run by the Muslim Brotherhood, and a resurgent (iraninan-fueled) Hezbollah in Lebanon.


If only there was a book that ISraelis consider sacred that included a warning about sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind

It truly amazes me the lengths to which antisemitics will go to blame anything and everything on Israel.

Good lord, do you curse Jews when your breakfast cereal turns soggy?


I'm anti-semetic now? Does the truth have an anti-semetic as well as liberal bias?

You ARE aware that Paul Wolfowitz, has openly said that we went to war with Iraq to help Israel and that the WMDS thing was given as the justification for the war "For bureaucratic reasons" yes?
 
2012-09-07 11:53:01 AM

Boudica's War Tampon: Galloping Galoshes: palelizard: Assuming for the moment this is all accurate, why would this cause a response from Lebanon/Hezbollah against Israel?

Doing so makes sense for Turkey, as right now they have all these Syrian soldiers, ex regulars, milling around inside or just outside their borders. In exchange for coordinated leadership, a safe haven, and probably weapons, Turkey gets the rebels under discipline and under its control, which means no unpleasant cross-border problems unless Turkey is on board with them.

I would be a little surprised if this report were true, however. I see a lot of downside for the rebels, and Turkey as well.

Unless Hezbollah decides to infiltrate Turkey and start terror attacks with Iranian-supplied weapons and training.


That isn't going to happen and you fundamentally misunderstand both the nature of Hezbollah, and its relationship to Iran and Syria. Hezbollah is not an Iranian invention, nor does it take its orders from Iran or Syria; it's an organization that arose spontaneously in response to Israel's involvement in helping to instigate and then perpetuating the Lebanese Civil War. Its specific goal is and has always been to kick and keep them out of Lebanon. Iran first began giving support to Hezbollah to undermine the Israeli campaign in Lebanon, then continued working with them as a convenient ally along the Mediterranean coast. During the period when Syria controlled Lebanon they tolerated the continued existence of Hezbollah for similar reasons; Hezbollah's forces acted as a buffer along the Israeli border in case of attack and they drew Israeli forces and attention away from Golan. While Hezbollah has helped Iran achieve certain objectives in the region it has at all times set its own goals and decided its own policies; it is a client of Iran, not a puppet.

How would Hezbollah, an organization primarily concerned with and operating out of Lebanon justify attacking Turkey over Syria; a widely despised ex-invader? What populations in Turkey would help and hide them as they carried out such a campaign? How would its international supporters react to it attacking a stable, prosperous, Islamic democracy in support of a godless, Baathist(the Baathists were originally a communist movement, btw) dictatorship? For that matter, why would Iran want to attack Turkey when Turkey has been one of the central voices among the rising states (Brazil, Turkey, China, ect) defending Iran's right to a peaceful nuclear program?
 
2012-09-07 11:55:23 AM

Canton: Heron: I'm not writing to defend Assad, but bombings like this were pretty rare before we started teaching the rebels how to build, conceal, and deploy this manner of explosive. In fact before, say, this May or June, I hadn't heard of a car-bombing in Syria for 20 years or more.

Okay, point taken. I did mean the Middle East as a whole, not Syria in particular, but I am probably wrong about that, too. (Although, at this point hearing about a car bomb in the Middle East is always sad but no longer shocking.)


Well yeah, its always sad to hear about this stuff. Even when the person hit is some despicable monster, there's always the innocent folks in the wrong place and the wrong time to consider.
 
2012-09-07 11:57:37 AM
That shameless hussy Israel, waving it's democratic, tolerant, free society in the faces of all those intolerant barbarians!! Destroy Israel! It's making the Arabs look bad!!
 
2012-09-07 11:57:38 AM

ArkPanda: Hussein, Assad, Gaddafi, etc.were very good at keeping a lid on things, usually by shooting whatever was in the pot, but they did it


The problem is that eventually the lid blows off. The whole "Lawful Evil vs Neutral Chaotic" stuff, too simple for such a complex group of societies. It doesn't map to Western paradigms. And throw in external parties and their interests and influences for good measure.
 
2012-09-07 11:58:21 AM
If it's anti-semitic to think that the nation of Israel is a failed experiment, then I guess I'm anti-semitic.
 
2012-09-07 11:59:15 AM

Magorn: You ARE aware that Paul Wolfowitz, has openly said that we went to war with Iraq to help Israel and that the WMDS thing was given as the justification for the war "For bureaucratic reasons" yes?


Funny how that worked. Israel told them they were attacking the wrong enemy. I guess the Wolfowitzes of the world were just a little arrogant there. "Just shut up and let us help you."
 
2012-09-07 11:59:17 AM

Tat'dGreaser: Isn't this a good thing? Weren't we just talking about using force against Syria? Let them handle it now.


My brutha from anotha mutha. I see nothing wrong with letting the Arabs straighten this out.
 
2012-09-07 12:00:41 PM
If Russia dispatches warships to Syria again in response, this situation could escalate pretty damn quickly.
 
2012-09-07 12:01:20 PM

Crewmannumber6: If it's anti-semitic to think that the nation of Israel is a failed experiment, then I guess I'm anti-semitic.


an experiment in what exactly?
 
2012-09-07 12:04:39 PM

zedster: Crewmannumber6: If it's anti-semitic to think that the nation of Israel is a failed experiment, then I guess I'm anti-semitic.

an experiment in what exactly?


Nation building
 
2012-09-07 12:05:34 PM

Heron: How would Hezbollah, an organization primarily concerned with and operating out of Lebanon justify attacking Turkey over Syria; a widely despised ex-invader? What populations in Turkey would help and hide them as they carried out such a campaign? How would its international supporters react to it attacking a stable, prosperous, Islamic democracy in support of a godless, Baathist(the Baathists were originally a communist movement, btw) dictatorship? For that matter, why would Iran want to attack Turkey when Turkey has been one of the central voices among the rising states (Brazil, Turkey, China, ect) defending Iran's right to a peaceful nuclear program?


In general I agree with your analysis, but I could see Hezbollah doing something to oppose Turkey in this. They would be defending a funding source, and although Turkey is islamic, it is also generally secular and a historic supporter of Israel. The fact that an opponent is Islamic has never been a bar to attacks in the past; I think you overestimate the importance of this fact, particularly in the case of Turkey. The question is, what would Hezbollah have to gain by attacking Turkey? However, I still question the report that is the basis of all this speculation. I have my doubts that Turkey has taken any steps to organize the Syrian rebels.
 
2012-09-07 12:06:48 PM

Crewmannumber6: zedster: Crewmannumber6: If it's anti-semitic to think that the nation of Israel is a failed experiment, then I guess I'm anti-semitic.

an experiment in what exactly?

Nation building


Last time I checked, it was still there, and a far more successful nation than many others.
 
2012-09-07 12:06:48 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Are you referring to the WMD that SH sent them for safekeeping and that Georgie couldn't find in Iraq?



Holy shiat, people. We found a gullible right winger who still believes this story. Should we freeze him and store him for future generations to gawk at? This story has been repeatedly debunked. The neocons are just trying to drum it up again so they can retroactively justify their complete failure with the Iraq War. History books have been written, dude. Iraqi WMDs were a farking lie. Do you think it's a coincidence that we're suddenly talking about Syria's alleged WMD stockpile and tracing it back to this Iraq WMD meme? Who do you think is driving these stories? The usual right wing mouthpieces have received their marching orders and are spreading the bullshiat, right on schedule.
 
2012-09-07 12:09:25 PM

AcneVulgaris: Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?

If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.


If you had a friend that kept getting attacked for simply existing, even after he repeatedly thrashed his attackers, wouldn't you think there is something wrong with his attackers?
 
2012-09-07 12:10:15 PM

used39: You know what


WHAT YOU SAY!!!
 
2012-09-07 12:14:02 PM

WizardofToast: Alright, which terrorist set us up the bomb?


"up us"
/peeve
 
2012-09-07 12:14:05 PM

YixilTesiphon: Is this a trustworthy source?


Personally, I'm not going to believe it until I see it from a trusted source, like Sorcha Faal
 
2012-09-07 12:15:32 PM

Marcintosh: Sept. 5, an Iron Dome battery was installed in Gush Dan.


I like that but the 's' should look more like an 'f'. Not that I expect you to care, just, well, you know... it would look more authentic.
 
2012-09-07 12:16:53 PM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Galloping Galoshes: urger: That's great right up until someone attacks Turkey and then NATO goes all Article 5 on their ass.

Hmmm. How to rescue the European economy. War with Syria? (It worked for the US in WWII!) Naah, Syria isn't enough of a fight. Maybe Iran too. That would be a nice mess, what with the large muslim populations of various European countries, and Northern Europe attacking countries on or near the Russian border. Who needs Fulda Gap, we'll use the southern route. Not that I think Russia would react militarily to Turkish troops in Syria...

Perhaps they could round them up and concentrate them in certain areas, oh, call them camps.


It worked before. What could it hurt to try it again?
 
2012-09-07 12:16:56 PM
So, when are the Canadians throwing their Ghost Rock bombs?.

/Obscure?
 
2012-09-07 12:21:12 PM
Late to the Zero Wing party, but you can thank me for this later.
 
2012-09-07 12:22:02 PM
I was told there would be time for Klax.
 
2012-09-07 12:22:20 PM

Weaver95: War. War never changes.


Blast you. Now I want to go replay that game.
 
2012-09-07 12:22:46 PM

mark12A: That shameless hussy Israel, waving it's democratic, tolerant, free society in the faces of all those intolerant barbarians!! Destroy Israel! It's making the Arabs look bad!!


InigoMontoya.jpg
 
2012-09-07 12:26:11 PM

starsrift: starsrift: Revek: Name a A.D. year with no war.

/Bet you have to go way back.

That's actually an interesting question. I think we're farked: Wikipedia's List of Wars.

If you ignore the Byzantine Empire's wars that Wikipedia all lumps ltogether in giant articles spanning centuries... 1047. I think that's a reasonable distinction to make.


1047 - Battle of Val-ès-Dunes: William the Conqueror, with assistance from King Henry I of France, secures control of Normandy by defeating the rebel Norman barons at Caen.

No, there will be war.
 
2012-09-07 12:29:22 PM

Tat'dGreaser: Isn't this a good thing? Weren't we just talking about using force against Syria? Let them handle it now.


Wellt hey are part of NATO so if they are attacked we need to get in, but still I say good for Turkey. this mess is on their doorstep and sitting back isn't going to fix it any faster. Muslims leading the chjarge on it will also diffuse a lot of potential problems that woudl occur if it was the "west" getting involved.

ArkPanda: Galloping Galoshes: trotsky: It wouldn't. If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence. If Israel's smart, they'll stay out of it

This isn't Israel looking for a fight, this is Hezbollah looking to change the subject. I'm sure many Hezbollah see Turkey as a proxy for Israel, even though relations between the two have cooled substantially.

This is the same calculation as Gulf War I, when Iraq bombarded Israel to try to get them do do something that would complicate things.


Winner!!!
 
2012-09-07 12:29:54 PM
As a 38 year old, I cannot remember a time when the anything occurring over there WASN'T under the caption of "CRISIS IN THE MIDDLE EAST". Have they even updated the title graphic?
 
2012-09-07 12:31:01 PM

Carousel Beast: Magorn: In 2002 It must have seemed like such a good idea to Wolfowitz and his cronies to take out Saddam as the perennial thorn in Israel's side.

What they failed to realize is that Saddam's ruthless but secular Ba'athist rule was the only thing keeping a lot of the local would-be Jihadis in check. They further dailed to realize that after Wolfie and the boys made threatening noises towards Syria (back when Iraq looked it would the cake-walk they promised) That Assad senior, also a secular Ba'athist dictator would panic and cut a deal with all HIS imprisoned would-be Sa'alfist jihadis that he'd let them out of jail if they promised to pack up their guns and bombs and take their Jihadi zeal across the border to Iraq to fight the Americans.

The problem is, that war is over, and Iraq is really not a welcoming or safe place for those guys now, so a lot of those Jihadis got homesick, and took thier heavily armed, combat-tested selves back across the border and set thier sights on taking down the younger Assad.

And Israel, which expected to have a pacified pro-western Iraq and a weakened Syria on its borders now faces the prospects of bordering a de-stablized Iraq, A Syria controlled by violent , radical hard-line Salafists, an Egypt run by the Muslim Brotherhood, and a resurgent (iraninan-fueled) Hezbollah in Lebanon.


If only there was a book that ISraelis consider sacred that included a warning about sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind

It truly amazes me the lengths to which antisemitics will go to blame anything and everything on Israel.

Good lord, do you curse Jews when your breakfast cereal turns soggy?


There really should be an expansion of 'Godwin's Law' to include people who fling out an accusation of anti-Semitism any time someone else criticizes Israel's actions or questions their motives.

/I'll start: GODWIN! - carousel beast loses the discussion by disqualification.
 
2012-09-07 12:33:32 PM

Magorn: CygnusDarius: Weaver95: War. War never changes.


[fc05.deviantart.net image 600x627]
War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies, or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles fought by mercenaries and machines. War - and its consumption of life - has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. ID-tagged soldiers carry ID-tagged weapons, use ID-tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored and kept under control. War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control... All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the battlefield... controls history. War has changed. When the battlefield is under total control... War becomes routine.

One of the Best Sci-fi war novels I've read in a long time, probably because the author is ex-three inital agency and was in Afghanistan in late 2001:
[danieljeffreygoodman.files.wordpress.com image 372x600]


Thanks for the tip, just ordered it
 
2012-09-07 12:33:33 PM

BLeap: Weaver95: War. War never changes.

Blast you. Now I want to go replay that game.


"Dr. Trahn is diagnosing this conversation with a severe lack of caps."

/I about pissed myself when that came up as a dialogue option.
//FNV FTW!
 
2012-09-07 12:41:17 PM
Heron: I'm not writing to defend Assad, but bombings like this were pretty rare before we started teaching the rebels how to build, conceal, and deploy this manner of explosive. In fact before, say, this May or June, I hadn't heard of a car-bombing in Syria for 20 years or more

Who is the we here? You know that knoeledge wasn't uncommon in Syria, given how those were tactics they taught to hezebullah.

Car bombing was unheard of before because of a very locked down police state.
 
2012-09-07 12:46:36 PM
Galloping Galoshes: Heron: How would Hezbollah, an organization primarily concerned with and operating out of Lebanon justify attacking Turkey over Syria; a widely despised ex-invader? What populations in Turkey would help and hide them as they carried out such a campaign? How would its international supporters react to it attacking a stable, prosperous, Islamic democracy in support of a godless, Baathist(the Baathists were originally a communist movement, btw) dictatorship? For that matter, why would Iran want to attack Turkey when Turkey has been one of the central voices among the rising states (Brazil, Turkey, China, ect) defending Iran's right to a peaceful nuclear program?

In general I agree with your analysis, but I could see Hezbollah doing something to oppose Turkey in this. They would be defending a funding source, and although Turkey is islamic, it is also generally secular and a historic supporter of Israel. The fact that an opponent is Islamic has never been a bar to attacks in the past; I think you overestimate the importance of this fact, particularly in the case of Turkey. The question is, what would Hezbollah have to gain by attacking Turkey? However, I still question the report that is the basis of all this speculation. I have my doubts that Turkey has taken any steps to organize the Syrian rebels.


What is more probable or possible is another front by proxy. The Kurdish separatists in northern Iraq and in the general area love to make cross border attacks against Turkey. The generally have the cover of the local kurd populations. This could get really messy if folsk decided to play the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
 
2012-09-07 01:03:20 PM

kindms: What is more probable or possible is another front by proxy. The Kurdish separatists in northern Iraq and in the general area love to make cross border attacks against Turkey.


You mean, like today?

An Iranian-supported organization sponsoring attacks on Turkey. If there were a coherent Iranian opposition, I could see Turkey helping them. Absent that, I see Turkey doing more with Israel to redirect Hezbollah's energy.
 
2012-09-07 01:05:50 PM

gopher321: War; What is it good for. Absolutely nothing. Uh-huh.


Good God, y'all.
 
2012-09-07 01:06:15 PM
24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-07 01:14:26 PM
War is a constant. What we should do is toss in lots of small arms and ammo to encourage these "people" to kill each other.

War IS good for something. It also reduces the world population.
 
2012-09-07 01:23:37 PM
jmz.iki.fi

An oldie but a goodie. Also, anyone have that anigif mashup of All Your Base and the Homeland Security infographic? That was one of Fark Photoshop Contest's greatest moments.
 
2012-09-07 01:41:38 PM

give me doughnuts: AcneVulgaris: Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?

If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.

If you had a friend that kept getting attacked for simply existing, even after he repeatedly thrashed his attackers, wouldn't you think there is something wrong with his attackers?


Yes, but my friend is not getting attacked for simply existing, they are getting attacked for stealing land.
 
2012-09-07 01:48:30 PM
This thread is a nice walk down memory lane.
 
2012-09-07 01:48:31 PM

Slaves2Darkness: give me doughnuts: AcneVulgaris: Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?

If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.

If you had a friend that kept getting attacked for simply existing, even after he repeatedly thrashed his attackers, wouldn't you think there is something wrong with his attackers?

Yes, but my friend is not getting attacked for simply existing, they are getting attacked for stealing land.


That is why all those other Arab nations attacked Egypt and Jordan for not giving Palestenians a state between 48-67.

And there are all those attacks against Jordan for not giving Palestenians citizenship since 67.

And that is why all the countries around the world are mad at Egypt, Syria, Lebannon, jordan, Iarq etc for stealing all the land of jews who lived there and were since kicked out.

That is why after Israel gave all the land back to Egypt the country stopped having almost weekly "death to Israel" chants.
 
2012-09-07 01:51:37 PM
Debka = Neocon Jizzfest.
 
2012-09-07 02:02:54 PM
Sigh!

If it's not Iran, it's Syria and if not them, it's Turkey or Iraq. Someone is going to start lobbing nukes eventually and it's probably Israel. They're not known for just sitting on their hands and by now, after decades of being shot at, I figure someone is going to have had enough and decide it's worth the risk of pi$$ing off the global community by wiping out much of the Middle East.

Besides, the Muslim nations have managed to pi$$ off everyone they come in contact with for the past 30 years. Even themselves.
 
2012-09-07 02:03:43 PM
AYB will never die!

Also for some reason I can never separate it from travel guy

upload.wikimedia.org

I guess they hit at around the same time so thinking of one always makes me think of the other.

/not giving that link (source) dignity of a response
 
2012-09-07 02:09:17 PM
i512.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-07 02:11:51 PM

Rik01: If it's not Iran, it's Syria and if not them, it's Turkey or Iraq. Someone is going to start lobbing nukes eventually and it's probably Israel. They're not known for just sitting on their hands and by now, after decades of being shot at, I figure someone is going to have had enough and decide it's worth the risk of pi$$ing off the global community by wiping out much of the Middle East.


Except for ruring the first gulf War when they did that.

And you reasoning abotu Israel being the first to lob a nuke totally makes sense seeing as they have had it fro some 40 years now and haven't used it.
 
2012-09-07 02:13:02 PM

give me doughnuts: AcneVulgaris: Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?

If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.

If you had a friend that kept getting attacked for simply existing, even after he repeatedly thrashed his attackers, wouldn't you think there is something wrong with his attackers?


If he were encamped in the middle of his attacker's living room, claimed the bathroom, and drove them out of their kitchen, no.
 
2012-09-07 02:16:36 PM
 
2012-09-07 02:17:12 PM
War.
 
2012-09-07 02:21:37 PM
One of the reasons these Israel/Palestine debates seem to go on and on is that the Palestine-supporting side is arguing at a far lower intellectual level than the Israel-supporting side. Probably due to Arabs having a lower IQ on average then Jews.
 
2012-09-07 02:23:06 PM
Where the hell is "N. Israel"? I was under the impression it was all one country.
 
2012-09-07 02:25:26 PM

Gyrfalcon: Where the hell is "N. Israel"? I was under the impression it was all one country.


All I know is the Sinai is Israel's Mexico.
 
2012-09-07 02:34:38 PM
nong shrim nong shrim

ramenreview.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-07 02:34:49 PM

Slaves2Darkness: give me doughnuts: AcneVulgaris: Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?

If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.

If you had a friend that kept getting attacked for simply existing, even after he repeatedly thrashed his attackers, wouldn't you think there is something wrong with his attackers?

Yes, but my friend is not getting attacked for simply existing, they are getting attacked for stealing land.


Stealing land is how every nation starts, so that's about the same thing as killing someone for existing. Though I think they're both valid, also "they're assholes" works for me, too. I'm getting older so this is my venture into a more conservative mindset.
 
2012-09-07 02:37:37 PM
getting my hopes up subby
 
2012-09-07 02:40:46 PM

StaleCoffee: Slaves2Darkness: give me doughnuts: AcneVulgaris: Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?

If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.

If you had a friend that kept getting attacked for simply existing, even after he repeatedly thrashed his attackers, wouldn't you think there is something wrong with his attackers?

Yes, but my friend is not getting attacked for simply existing, they are getting attacked for stealing land.

Stealing land is how every nation starts, so that's about the same thing as killing someone for existing. Though I think they're both valid, also "they're assholes" works for me, too. I'm getting older so this is my venture into a more conservative mindset.


Get a little older still, and "They're assholes" is about the only real answer.
 
2012-09-07 02:48:13 PM

JustTheTip: Carousel Beast: Magorn: In 2002 It must have seemed like such a good idea to Wolfowitz and his cronies to take out Saddam as the perennial thorn in Israel's side.

What they failed to realize is that Saddam's ruthless but secular Ba'athist rule was the only thing keeping a lot of the local would-be Jihadis in check. They further dailed to realize that after Wolfie and the boys made threatening noises towards Syria (back when Iraq looked it would the cake-walk they promised) That Assad senior, also a secular Ba'athist dictator would panic and cut a deal with all HIS imprisoned would-be Sa'alfist jihadis that he'd let them out of jail if they promised to pack up their guns and bombs and take their Jihadi zeal across the border to Iraq to fight the Americans.

The problem is, that war is over, and Iraq is really not a welcoming or safe place for those guys now, so a lot of those Jihadis got homesick, and took thier heavily armed, combat-tested selves back across the border and set thier sights on taking down the younger Assad.

And Israel, which expected to have a pacified pro-western Iraq and a weakened Syria on its borders now faces the prospects of bordering a de-stablized Iraq, A Syria controlled by violent , radical hard-line Salafists, an Egypt run by the Muslim Brotherhood, and a resurgent (iraninan-fueled) Hezbollah in Lebanon.


If only there was a book that ISraelis consider sacred that included a warning about sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind

It truly amazes me the lengths to which antisemitics will go to blame anything and everything on Israel.

Good lord, do you curse Jews when your breakfast cereal turns soggy?

There really should be an expansion of 'Godwin's Law' to include people who fling out an accusation of anti-Semitism any time someone else criticizes Israel's actions or questions their motives.

/I'll start: GODWIN! - carousel beast loses the discussion by disqualification.


My suggestion: Tatsuma Corollary
 
2012-09-07 02:57:29 PM
DEBKAfile? Is this like the Israeli WND?
 
2012-09-07 02:58:40 PM

JustTheTip: Carousel Beast: Magorn: In 2002 It must have seemed like such a good idea to Wolfowitz and his cronies to take out Saddam as the perennial thorn in Israel's side.

What they failed to realize is that Saddam's ruthless but secular Ba'athist rule was the only thing keeping a lot of the local would-be Jihadis in check. They further dailed to realize that after Wolfie and the boys made threatening noises towards Syria (back when Iraq looked it would the cake-walk they promised) That Assad senior, also a secular Ba'athist dictator would panic and cut a deal with all HIS imprisoned would-be Sa'alfist jihadis that he'd let them out of jail if they promised to pack up their guns and bombs and take their Jihadi zeal across the border to Iraq to fight the Americans.

The problem is, that war is over, and Iraq is really not a welcoming or safe place for those guys now, so a lot of those Jihadis got homesick, and took thier heavily armed, combat-tested selves back across the border and set thier sights on taking down the younger Assad.

And Israel, which expected to have a pacified pro-western Iraq and a weakened Syria on its borders now faces the prospects of bordering a de-stablized Iraq, A Syria controlled by violent , radical hard-line Salafists, an Egypt run by the Muslim Brotherhood, and a resurgent (iraninan-fueled) Hezbollah in Lebanon.


If only there was a book that ISraelis consider sacred that included a warning about sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind

It truly amazes me the lengths to which antisemitics will go to blame anything and everything on Israel.

Good lord, do you curse Jews when your breakfast cereal turns soggy?

There really should be an expansion of 'Godwin's Law' to include people who fling out an accusation of anti-Semitism any time someone else criticizes Israel's actions or questions their motives.

/I'll start: GODWIN! - carousel beast loses the discussion by disqualification.


I think there should be an expansion of Godwin's Law to cover anyone flinging out an accusation of Godwin's Law any time someone disagrees with someone else.

I'll start. GODWIN- this whole thread.

/head explodes
 
2012-09-07 02:59:00 PM

NobleHam: DEBKAfile? Is this like the Israeli WND?


.WND = WINDOWS FILE?
 
2012-09-07 03:10:19 PM

mark12A: Move every Zig Yid!

For Great Justice Jewstice!

 
2012-09-07 03:21:14 PM

God-is-a-Taco: AYB will never die!

Also for some reason I can never separate it from travel guy

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x207]

I guess they hit at around the same time so thinking of one always makes me think of the other.

/not giving that link (source) dignity of a response


There was a Flash video techno mashup of AWB that included Photoshopped images, and this part of the lineup.
 
2012-09-07 03:21:52 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: NobleHam: DEBKAfile? Is this like the Israeli WND?

.WND = WINDOWS FILE?


In case you're serious, "WND" is World Net Daily. It's a crazy rightwing "news" site that still champions birtherism and Sheriff Joe and actually manages to be worst than Breitbart.
 
2012-09-07 03:25:37 PM
Debka? Isn't that Tatsuma's blog?
 
2012-09-07 03:29:16 PM
Huzzah! The Sunni Islamist government in Turkey is supporting the mostly Islamist, Sunni rebels in Syria, which is run by a minority Shi'ite dynasty. Iran and Hizbollah, both Shi'ite Islamist groups/countries, are backing Syria.

Hizbollah would attack Israel if this is true because Turkey, as a member of NATO, is a quasi-ally of Israel, and because fark Israel; their whole purpose is attacking Israel. Also, Hizbollah's forces are mostly in Southern Lebanon, which borders Israel, and ONLY Israel. If the Sunnis win in Syria, Hizbollah is farked sideways, because only Syrian backing has given them so much power in Lebanon.

If you are looking for an Imperialist western role in this you are going to get eyestrain. This is all local Muslim shiat.
 
2012-09-07 03:36:50 PM

que.guero: Debka? Isn't that Tatsuma's blog?


Being that we're on Fark, it's probably his surname....
 
2012-09-07 03:37:25 PM

give me doughnuts: AcneVulgaris: Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?

If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.

If you had a friend that kept getting attacked for simply existing, even after he repeatedly thrashed his attackers, wouldn't you think there is something wrong with his attackers?


Israel is the educated and free black man living in a white small town in Georgia in the 1860s.
 
2012-09-07 03:40:03 PM

mark12A: That shameless hussy Israel, waving it's democratic, tolerant, free society in the faces of all those intolerant barbarians!! Destroy Israel! It's making the Arabs look bad!!


Israel certainly is more democratic than most of the Near East, but it certainly isn't Sweden when it comes the toleration. Leaving aside Israel's campaign of forced eviction in and around Jerusalem, and the various injustices associated with the Settler movement in the West Bank and the Security Wall, Israel has some very discriminatory laws governing marriage and child rearing between Jews and non-Jews, particularly Palestinians.
 
2012-09-07 03:42:01 PM
RELEASE THE DRONES!
 
2012-09-07 04:01:45 PM

OgreMagi: give me doughnuts: AcneVulgaris: Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?

If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.

If you had a friend that kept getting attacked for simply existing, even after he repeatedly thrashed his attackers, wouldn't you think there is something wrong with his attackers?

Israel is the educated and free black man living in a white small town in Georgia in the 1860s.


....who keeps saying "Bring it on, crackers!"
 
2012-09-07 04:12:12 PM

Gyrfalcon: OgreMagi: give me doughnuts: AcneVulgaris: Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?

If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.

If you had a friend that kept getting attacked for simply existing, even after he repeatedly thrashed his attackers, wouldn't you think there is something wrong with his attackers?

Israel is the educated and free black man living in a white small town in Georgia in the 1860s.

....who keeps saying "Bring it on, crackers!"


Only in your delusional, anti-semetic world.

You're using the same argument those Georgia crackers used, "he was upity, so we had to teach him a lesson."
 
2012-09-07 04:21:27 PM

OgreMagi: give me doughnuts: AcneVulgaris: Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?

If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.

If you had a friend that kept getting attacked for simply existing, even after he repeatedly thrashed his attackers, wouldn't you think there is something wrong with his attackers?

Israel is the educated and free black man living in a white small town in Georgia in the 1860s.


How do you defend the settlements that have been declared illegal internationally? How can you justify the eviction of muslims from their homes for Israelis? How can you not absolutely detest the war crime of using white phosphorus on innocents?
 
2012-09-07 04:32:25 PM
This is not a repeat from 1516.
i.istockimg.com
/i hope
 
2012-09-07 04:54:54 PM

MythDragon: Weaver95: War. War never changes.


[siliconsasquatch.com image 850x520]
"War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by mercenaries and machines. War, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. ID tagged soldiers carry ID tagged weapons, use ID tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored, and kept under control. War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control. All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the battlefield, controls history. War has changed. When the battlefield is under total control, war... becomes routine."


Am I the only person who hated that game?
 
2012-09-07 05:38:12 PM

Galloping Galoshes: urger: That's great right up until someone attacks Turkey and then NATO goes all Article 5 on their ass.

Hmmm. How to rescue the European economy. War with Syria? (It worked for the US in WWII!) Naah, Syria isn't enough of a fight. Maybe Iran too. That would be a nice mess, what with the large muslim populations of various European countries, and Northern Europe attacking countries on or near the Russian border. Who needs Fulda Gap, we'll use the southern route. Not that I think Russia would react militarily to Turkish troops in Syria...


I wish I could get some of that good stuff you're smokin'.
 
2012-09-07 06:12:47 PM

El Hodor: MythDragon: Weaver95: War. War never changes.


[siliconsasquatch.com image 850x520]
"War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by mercenaries and machines. War, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. ID tagged soldiers carry ID tagged weapons, use ID tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored, and kept under control. War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control. All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the battlefield, controls history. War has changed. When the battlefield is under total control, war... becomes routine."

Am I the only person who hated that game?


That game actually pissed of Yahtzee so much that he wrote his own four-part series of story-driven games to show them how it should be done.
 
2012-09-07 06:16:56 PM

anfrind: That game actually pissed of Yahtzee so much


What Yahtzee may look like

www.barstoolu.com
 
2012-09-07 07:00:01 PM

palelizard: Assuming for the moment this is all accurate, why would this cause a response from Lebanon/Hezbollah against Israel?


I wouldn't assume anything from Debkafile was accurate. They are basically the blind squirrel who occasionally finds a nut.
 
2012-09-07 07:00:15 PM

El Hodor: MythDragon: Weaver95: War. War never changes.


[siliconsasquatch.com image 850x520]
"War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by mercenaries and machines. War, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. ID tagged soldiers carry ID tagged weapons, use ID tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored, and kept under control. War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control. All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the battlefield, controls history. War has changed. When the battlefield is under total control, war... becomes routine."

Am I the only person who hated that game?


Other than Hideo Kojima? Probably.
 
2012-09-07 07:17:12 PM

WeenerGord: anfrind: That game actually pissed of Yahtzee so much

What Yahtzee may look like

[www.barstoolu.com image 640x480]


I meant this guy.

/couldn't remember his full name; was too lazy to look it up before posting earlier
 
2012-09-07 07:50:56 PM
Yeah, I'm not there. So what.
 
2012-09-07 07:57:52 PM

starsrift: Revek: Name a A.D. year with no war.

/Bet you have to go way back.

That's actually an interesting question. I think we're farked: Wikipedia's List of Wars.


I was actually going to say 'the day after WWII ended', but you make a solid point.

/Holy fark we humans don't ever stop, do we?
 
2012-09-07 08:00:24 PM

PsiChick: starsrift: Revek: Name a A.D. year with no war.

/Bet you have to go way back.

That's actually an interesting question. I think we're farked: Wikipedia's List of Wars.

I was actually going to say 'the day after WWII ended', but you make a solid point.

/Holy fark we humans don't ever stop, do we?


Depending on how you define "war"....we haven't stopped since the day we stood fully upright.
 
2012-09-07 08:57:05 PM

Weigard: Israel goes on alert when a car in Jordan backfires.


If folks from the next county over where shooting katyusha rockets into your neighborhood, you might be a little nervous, too.
 
2012-09-08 08:26:54 PM
If there is anybody who can get he Arabs under control it is the Turks.

Nobody expects the Ottoman Empire:


www.nzhistory.net.nz
 
2012-09-10 09:58:33 PM
Hmm, this keeps saying there is one unread message, but the bottom message is a big map. I wonder if this will fix it, or crash the database?
 
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