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2012-09-07 10:37:02 AM
War is obviously something the people want. These war protesters need to STFU and respect that they have been out voted.
 
2012-09-07 10:37:08 AM

Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?


If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.
 
2012-09-07 10:37:32 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Somebody set us up the Homs.


i48.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-07 10:38:24 AM

ArkPanda: Galloping Galoshes: trotsky: It wouldn't. If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence. If Israel's smart, they'll stay out of it

This isn't Israel looking for a fight, this is Hezbollah looking to change the subject. I'm sure many Hezbollah see Turkey as a proxy for Israel, even though relations between the two have cooled substantially.

This is the same calculation as Gulf War I, when Iraq bombarded Israel to try to get them do do something that would complicate things.


Yep, you also had Hezbollah back Assad and they are now realizing that they will be cut off from Iran if he gets tossed out of Syria. With out that backing they are going to have to face both Israel and their enemies in Lebanon, of which there are many. The thing the West/Israel/Turkey has to worry about is Syria's sizable chemical weapon stockpile and where it ends up.
 
2012-09-07 10:41:20 AM
All your base are belong to us.
 
2012-09-07 10:42:31 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: WizardofToast: Alright, which terrorist set us up the bomb?

UP US. Set up us the bomb.


You have no chance to survive make your time.
 
2012-09-07 10:42:52 AM
your base your base your base your base your base your base
base base base base base base base base base base base base
 
2012-09-07 10:42:56 AM

trotsky: If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence.


You seem to think that this hasn't already happened. Before this war started, the Alawites had all of the cushy jobs, all of the connections, and ran the country. The Sunnis outnumber the Alawites by 6:1 and are poor and unemployed, unless they're in the military, in which case their loyalties are somewhat divided.

The Alawites are farked if the Assad regime falls. They might be able to hole up in the northwest part of the country, but right now we've got ourselves a good old sectarian civil war.
 
2012-09-07 10:43:03 AM

probesport: Lone Stranger:

Awww ugly duckling

/bawk bawk


Wait.... I had something for this....
25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-07 10:43:20 AM

Weigard: Israel goes on alerthits the U.S. up for cash and weapons when a car in Jordan backfires.


FTFY
 
2012-09-07 10:46:28 AM

YixilTesiphon: Is this a trustworthy source?


Seems a little fishy to me. 

i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-07 10:47:41 AM

probesport: Lone Stranger: [www.veezzle.com image 600x600]

Turkey is safe now.

Awww ugly duckling

/bawk bawk


You know, I've seen baby swans, and they're not ugly at all. Hans Christian Anderson was full of it.
 
2012-09-07 10:47:48 AM

starsrift: Revek: Name a A.D. year with no war.

/Bet you have to go way back.

That's actually an interesting question. I think we're farked: Wikipedia's List of Wars.


If you ignore the Byzantine Empire's wars that Wikipedia all lumps ltogether in giant articles spanning centuries... 1047. I think that's a reasonable distinction to make.
 
2012-09-07 10:48:19 AM
Wheeeeeeee!
 
2012-09-07 10:49:47 AM
3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-07 10:50:11 AM

vudukungfu: Only way to win is not to play.


Didn't work too well for Austria
 
2012-09-07 10:51:12 AM

vudukungfu: Only way to win is not to play.


how about a nice game of chess?
 
2012-09-07 10:52:58 AM

MadMattressMack: Galloping Galoshes: palelizard: Assuming for the moment this is all accurate, why would this cause a response from Lebanon/Hezbollah against Israel?

Doing so makes sense for Turkey, as right now they have all these Syrian soldiers, ex regulars, milling around inside or just outside their borders. In exchange for coordinated leadership, a safe haven, and probably weapons, Turkey gets the rebels under discipline and under its control, which means no unpleasant cross-border problems unless Turkey is on board with them.

I would be a little surprised if this report were true, however. I see a lot of downside for the rebels, and Turkey as well.

Is there an irregular?


Yes. Irregulars are militia, anybody with a gun who wasn't part of the Syrian Army.
 
2012-09-07 10:53:35 AM

ArkPanda: Galloping Galoshes: trotsky: It wouldn't. If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence. If Israel's smart, they'll stay out of it

This isn't Israel looking for a fight, this is Hezbollah looking to change the subject. I'm sure many Hezbollah see Turkey as a proxy for Israel, even though relations between the two have cooled substantially.

This is the same calculation as Gulf War I, when Iraq bombarded Israel to try to get them do do something that would complicate things.


Probably would be even less effective this time.
 
2012-09-07 10:55:10 AM

LandOfChocolate:


Will return next year for the balls thorougly licked article.
 
2012-09-07 10:55:10 AM
It shall be known among the survivors simply as the great war.

I'm investing in buggy whip stock just in case I survive.
 
2012-09-07 10:55:49 AM

Boudica's War Tampon: Galloping Galoshes: palelizard: Assuming for the moment this is all accurate, why would this cause a response from Lebanon/Hezbollah against Israel?

Doing so makes sense for Turkey, as right now they have all these Syrian soldiers, ex regulars, milling around inside or just outside their borders. In exchange for coordinated leadership, a safe haven, and probably weapons, Turkey gets the rebels under discipline and under its control, which means no unpleasant cross-border problems unless Turkey is on board with them.

I would be a little surprised if this report were true, however. I see a lot of downside for the rebels, and Turkey as well.

Unless Hezbollah decides to infiltrate Turkey and start terror attacks with Iranian-supplied weapons and training.


You may see some explosions within Turkey, but nothing Hezbollah would want to admit to publicly. Hezbollah might react more strongly, but anything they do to Turkey is just more reason for Turkey to help push out Assad.
 
2012-09-07 10:55:54 AM

Jubeebee: trotsky: If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence.

You seem to think that this hasn't already happened. Before this war started, the Alawites had all of the cushy jobs, all of the connections, and ran the country. The Sunnis outnumber the Alawites by 6:1 and are poor and unemployed, unless they're in the military, in which case their loyalties are somewhat divided.

The Alawites are farked if the Assad regime falls. They might be able to hole up in the northwest part of the country, but right now we've got ourselves a good old sectarian civil war.


Alawite, gentille Alawite
Alawite, je te boom today.
 
2012-09-07 10:56:14 AM

Tyrone Slothrop: probesport: Lone Stranger: [www.veezzle.com image 600x600]

Turkey is safe now.

Awww ugly duckling

/bawk bawk

You know, I've seen baby swans, and they're not ugly at all. Hans Christian Anderson was full of it.


What you fail to consider is that the ducks were specist little farkers. Might as well put little white hoods on 'em.
 
2012-09-07 10:56:34 AM

RDixon: It shall be known among the survivors simply as the great war.

I'm investing in buggy whip stock just in case I survive.


I was thinking of equine methane diverters. Ever rode behind those things?
 
2012-09-07 10:56:45 AM

AcneVulgaris: Eapoe6: If you had a friend who kept getting in fights, how many fights would have to take place before you took a look at your friend's behavior?

If your friend is jewish, that would be anti-semitism.


Zion, Zion, Baby! Just keep in mind that most of the Jewish people are work-a-day stooges like us. The people in Israel have had enough of their government too.
 
2012-09-07 10:56:53 AM
What you say?
 
2012-09-07 10:57:59 AM
So what kind of ending do we get if we kill Lavos now?
 
2012-09-07 10:58:02 AM

urger: That's great right up until someone attacks Turkey and then NATO goes all Article 5 on their ass.


If there's one thing that'll stimulate the Euro recovery, it's adding shifts at European ammo factories.
 
2012-09-07 10:59:01 AM

urger: That's great right up until someone attacks Turkey and then NATO goes all Article 5 on their ass.


Hmmm. How to rescue the European economy. War with Syria? (It worked for the US in WWII!) Naah, Syria isn't enough of a fight. Maybe Iran too. That would be a nice mess, what with the large muslim populations of various European countries, and Northern Europe attacking countries on or near the Russian border. Who needs Fulda Gap, we'll use the southern route. Not that I think Russia would react militarily to Turkish troops in Syria...
 
2012-09-07 11:00:23 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: WizardofToast: Alright, which terrorist set us up the bomb?

UP US. Set up us the bomb.


Actually, at least one of the screenshots in the video has it wrong too, so perhaps WizardofToast was quoting that.
 
2012-09-07 11:02:27 AM

zedster: ArkPanda: Galloping Galoshes: trotsky: It wouldn't. If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence. If Israel's smart, they'll stay out of it

This isn't Israel looking for a fight, this is Hezbollah looking to change the subject. I'm sure many Hezbollah see Turkey as a proxy for Israel, even though relations between the two have cooled substantially.

This is the same calculation as Gulf War I, when Iraq bombarded Israel to try to get them do do something that would complicate things.

Yep, you also had Hezbollah back Assad and they are now realizing that they will be cut off from Iran if he gets tossed out of Syria. With out that backing they are going to have to face both Israel and their enemies in Lebanon, of which there are many. The thing the West/Israel/Turkey has to worry about is Syria's sizable chemical weapon stockpile and where it ends up.


Are you referring to the WMD that SH sent them for safekeeping and that Georgie couldn't find in Iraq?
 
2012-09-07 11:04:48 AM
In other news, Israel announced today that they were changing the name the Israeli version of the F-15E from "Ra'am" to "Zig". Hebrew scholars are confused by the etymology of this name, as it has no obvious Hebrew roots...
 
2012-09-07 11:05:23 AM

Clemkadidlefark: vudukungfu: Only way to win is not to play.

Didn't work too well for Austria


Or the Melians.
 
2012-09-07 11:05:43 AM
In A.D. 2012. DEBKA was B.S.ing
 
2012-09-07 11:06:08 AM
Sept. 5, an Iron Dome battery was installed in Gush Dan.

origin.kaboodle.com
 
2012-09-07 11:06:19 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Are you referring to the WMD that SH sent them for safekeeping and that Georgie couldn't find in Iraq?


HS didn't send shiat.

Assad has always had chemical weapons.
 
2012-09-07 11:07:38 AM
In 2002 It must have seemed like such a good idea to Wolfowitz and his cronies to take out Saddam as the perennial thorn in Israel's side.

What they failed to realize is that Saddam's ruthless but secular Ba'athist rule was the only thing keeping a lot of the local would-be Jihadis in check. They further dailed to realize that after Wolfie and the boys made threatening noises towards Syria (back when Iraq looked it would the cake-walk they promised) That Assad senior, also a secular Ba'athist dictator would panic and cut a deal with all HIS imprisoned would-be Sa'alfist jihadis that he'd let them out of jail if they promised to pack up their guns and bombs and take their Jihadi zeal across the border to Iraq to fight the Americans.

The problem is, that war is over, and Iraq is really not a welcoming or safe place for those guys now, so a lot of those Jihadis got homesick, and took thier heavily armed, combat-tested selves back across the border and set thier sights on taking down the younger Assad.

And Israel, which expected to have a pacified pro-western Iraq and a weakened Syria on its borders now faces the prospects of bordering a de-stablized Iraq, A Syria controlled by violent , radical hard-line Salafists, an Egypt run by the Muslim Brotherhood, and a resurgent (iraninan-fueled) Hezbollah in Lebanon.


If only there was a book that ISraelis consider sacred that included a warning about sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind
 
2012-09-07 11:08:02 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: zedster: ArkPanda: Galloping Galoshes: trotsky: It wouldn't. If Bashir's government falls, bet your ass it's going to devolve into a religious civil war with the Muslims versus the Alawites, who will fight for their existence. If Israel's smart, they'll stay out of it

This isn't Israel looking for a fight, this is Hezbollah looking to change the subject. I'm sure many Hezbollah see Turkey as a proxy for Israel, even though relations between the two have cooled substantially.

This is the same calculation as Gulf War I, when Iraq bombarded Israel to try to get them do do something that would complicate things.

Yep, you also had Hezbollah back Assad and they are now realizing that they will be cut off from Iran if he gets tossed out of Syria. With out that backing they are going to have to face both Israel and their enemies in Lebanon, of which there are many. The thing the West/Israel/Turkey has to worry about is Syria's sizable chemical weapon stockpile and where it ends up.

Are you referring to the WMD that SH sent them for safekeeping and that Georgie couldn't find in Iraq?


No, because those don't exist. However, chemical warheads and scuds and frogs to put them on do
NYT - Syria Threatens Chemical Attack on Foreign Force
GS report on Syria Chemical weapons
 
2012-09-07 11:08:07 AM

zedster: Yep, you also had Hezbollah back Assad and they are now realizing that they will be cut off from Iran if he gets tossed out of Syria. With out that backing they are going to have to face both Israel and their enemies in Lebanon, of which there are many. The thing the West/Israel/Turkey has to worry about is Syria's sizable chemical weapon stockpile and where it ends up.


I wouldn't say "cut off", but the large stuff might have to go around the long way and use the Lebanese ports. Small arms and shipments will still make it through. It's not like Syria and Iran share a border. Hezbollah will just be more dependent on Iran for funding.
 
2012-09-07 11:08:26 AM

Galloping Galoshes: urger: That's great right up until someone attacks Turkey and then NATO goes all Article 5 on their ass.

Hmmm. How to rescue the European economy. War with Syria? (It worked for the US in WWII!) Naah, Syria isn't enough of a fight. Maybe Iran too. That would be a nice mess, what with the large muslim populations of various European countries, and Northern Europe attacking countries on or near the Russian border. Who needs Fulda Gap, we'll use the southern route. Not that I think Russia would react militarily to Turkish troops in Syria...


Perhaps they could round them up and concentrate them in certain areas, oh, call them camps.
 
2012-09-07 11:09:00 AM

madgonad: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Are you referring to the WMD that SH sent them for safekeeping and that Georgie couldn't find in Iraq?

HS didn't send shiat.

Assad has always had chemical weapons.


Started to have nukes too until the site got erased...
 
2012-09-07 11:09:42 AM
Canada closes embassy in Iran, expels Iranian diplomats

Sh*t's getting real. Canada hardly ever closes its embassies.
 
2012-09-07 11:09:56 AM

madgonad: Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Are you referring to the WMD that SH sent them for safekeeping and that Georgie couldn't find in Iraq?

HS didn't send shiat.

Assad has always had chemical weapons.


Just keep saying that, over and over, and click the heels of your ruby slippers together, and it will come true.
 
GBB
2012-09-07 11:09:57 AM

gopher321: War; What is it good for. Absolutely nothing. Uh-huh.


Say it again.
 
2012-09-07 11:11:23 AM

Just Another OC Homeless Guy: Galloping Galoshes: urger: That's great right up until someone attacks Turkey and then NATO goes all Article 5 on their ass.

Hmmm. How to rescue the European economy. War with Syria? (It worked for the US in WWII!) Naah, Syria isn't enough of a fight. Maybe Iran too. That would be a nice mess, what with the large muslim populations of various European countries, and Northern Europe attacking countries on or near the Russian border. Who needs Fulda Gap, we'll use the southern route. Not that I think Russia would react militarily to Turkish troops in Syria...

Perhaps they could round them up and concentrate them in certain areas, oh, call them camps.


They have already. Some of the largest camps in France are called "the suburbs of Paris." They have an annual week-long celebration that involves shooting and burning cars.
 
2012-09-07 11:11:58 AM
Isn't this a good thing? Weren't we just talking about using force against Syria? Let them handle it now.
 
2012-09-07 11:12:28 AM

Magorn: In 2002 It must have seemed like such a good idea to Wolfowitz and his cronies to take out Saddam as the perennial thorn in Israel's side.


Not to the Israelis. They always said Iran was the bigger threat.
 
2012-09-07 11:12:59 AM

gopher321: War; What is it good for. Absolutely nothing. Uh-huh.


i820.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-07 11:16:27 AM

Weaver95: War. War never changes.



siliconsasquatch.com
"War has changed. It's no longer about nations, ideologies or ethnicity. It's an endless series of proxy battles, fought by mercenaries and machines. War, and its consumption of life, has become a well-oiled machine. War has changed. ID tagged soldiers carry ID tagged weapons, use ID tagged gear. Nanomachines inside their bodies enhance and regulate their abilities. Genetic control. Information control. Emotion control. Battlefield control. Everything is monitored, and kept under control. War has changed. The age of deterrence has become the age of control. All in the name of averting catastrophe from weapons of mass destruction. And he who controls the battlefield, controls history. War has changed. When the battlefield is under total control, war... becomes routine."
 
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