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2012-09-07 05:22:36 AM  
I giggled.

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2012-09-07 06:19:18 AM  
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2012-09-07 06:44:44 AM  
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/thanks to some other farkist (farker + artist) who will remain nameless because I never recorded their name
 
2012-09-07 07:52:56 AM  
Not to defend the Catholic Church too much, but they accept the validity of both evolution and of the scientific consensus on climate change, and don't insist that the biblical creation in Genesis took place literally as described 6000 years ago.

Compared to many large American denominations, that makes them positively space age.
 
2012-09-07 07:55:28 AM  
Now if only they could cut ties with the Super Adventure Club.
 
2012-09-07 08:02:27 AM  
Elsewhere, the president drives a limousine tank that gets a quarter mile to the baby seal while he preaches fuel efficiency.
 
2012-09-07 08:05:09 AM  
That car doesn't run on electricity, there is a priest in a compartment ass-pounding an alter boy to make it go.
 
2012-09-07 08:05:25 AM  
I'd chip in for the Pope's electric CHAIR.
 
2012-09-07 08:06:54 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Not to defend the Catholic Church too much, but they accept the validity of both evolution and of the scientific consensus on climate change, and don't insist that the biblical creation in Genesis took place literally as described 6000 years ago.


Their whole official church doctrine "Thou shalt only molest little boys and thou shalt cover it up." kind of undoes any good will I could ever have for them.

Then there is the whole "Black people deserve to starve and get AIDS" aspect of their African public relations department.
 
2012-09-07 08:07:32 AM  

fatalvenom: That car doesn't run on electricity, there is a priest in a compartment ass-pounding an alter boy to make it go.


And thats not...

*puts on sunglasses*

Shocking?
 
2012-09-07 08:08:05 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Not to defend the Catholic Church too much, but they accept the validity of both evolution and of the scientific consensus on climate change, and don't insist that the biblical creation in Genesis took place literally as described 6000 years ago.


I have to agree. In terms of 'science' they actually are pretty modern in their beliefs.

All Catholics are Christians but not all Christians are Catholic

/Their views on gays, birth control and kiddie diddlers are pretty dumb though
 
2012-09-07 08:10:46 AM  
Who can shop it as a pedo van?
 
2012-09-07 08:11:09 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Who can shop it as a pedo van?


Why does it need to be shopped for that?
 
2012-09-07 08:12:14 AM  

ghall3: Doc Daneeka: Not to defend the Catholic Church too much, but they accept the validity of both evolution and of the scientific consensus on climate change, and don't insist that the biblical creation in Genesis took place literally as described 6000 years ago.

I have to agree. In terms of 'science' they actually are pretty modern in their beliefs.

All Catholics are Christians but not all Christians are Catholic

/Their views on gays, birth control and kiddie diddlers are pretty dumb though


Which makes it even worst sometimes. They believe contraception and condoms work but you shouldn't use them because it offends god.
 
2012-09-07 08:13:05 AM  

fluffy2097: AbbeySomeone: Who can shop it as a pedo van?

Why does it need to be shopped for that?


Because Jesus?
 
2012-09-07 08:16:29 AM  

Carth: Which makes it even worst sometimes. They believe contraception and condoms work but you shouldn't use them because it offends god.


Yeah, they still have a long way to go. And by long way I mean eventually just disbanding all together since organized religion is a waste of time.
 
2012-09-07 08:18:33 AM  

AbbeySomeone: fluffy2097: AbbeySomeone: Who can shop it as a pedo van?

Why does it need to be shopped for that?

Because Jesus?


That's exactly why it doesn't need to be shopped.
 
2012-09-07 08:20:39 AM  
One thing at a time.
 
2012-09-07 08:40:58 AM  
...and the priests are stuck in altar boys.
 
2012-09-07 08:43:09 AM  
Electric car is 19th century...
 
2012-09-07 08:46:42 AM  

Doc Daneeka: Not to defend the Catholic Church too much, but they accept the validity of both evolution and of the scientific consensus on climate change, and don't insist that the biblical creation in Genesis took place literally as described 6000 years ago.

Compared to many large American denominations, that makes them positively space age.


On the other hand, you've got a guy who sits on a throne, who believes himself to be God's direct representative on Earth, who claims the ability to speak infallibly, and who holds a position that up until fairly recently claimed the right to wear not one, not two, but three crowns simultaneously . . . and who is perfectly happy to stand up in front of a bunch of scientists and caution them against arrogance.
 
2012-09-07 08:52:04 AM  

Carth: ghall3: Doc Daneeka: Not to defend the Catholic Church too much, but they accept the validity of both evolution and of the scientific consensus on climate change, and don't insist that the biblical creation in Genesis took place literally as described 6000 years ago.

I have to agree. In terms of 'science' they actually are pretty modern in their beliefs.

All Catholics are Christians but not all Christians are Catholic

/Their views on gays, birth control and kiddie diddlers are pretty dumb though

Which makes it even worst sometimes. They believe contraception and condoms work but you shouldn't use them because it offends god.


That's an entirely different proposition from denying things like evolution.

It's one thing to say "Hey, we believe that if you take these actions, it offends God, and is immoral". That's a value judgement. People have different values. Meh.

It is quite another to say "The Earth was created 6,000 years ago because the King James version of Genesis is literal truth and not allegorical creation myth", and then to have that color your understanding of how the World around you works. That's saying that all the information we can glean from paleontology, geology, and archeology is essentially meaningless, and the lessons we can take from them have literally no value.

That's a problem, because that's edging into public policy areas which should be dominated by science, which for all its faults is self-correcting and it builds upon prior testable knowledge.
 
2012-09-07 08:56:03 AM  

dittybopper: Carth: ghall3: Doc Daneeka: Not to defend the Catholic Church too much, but they accept the validity of both evolution and of the scientific consensus on climate change, and don't insist that the biblical creation in Genesis took place literally as described 6000 years ago.

I have to agree. In terms of 'science' they actually are pretty modern in their beliefs.

All Catholics are Christians but not all Christians are Catholic

/Their views on gays, birth control and kiddie diddlers are pretty dumb though

Which makes it even worst sometimes. They believe contraception and condoms work but you shouldn't use them because it offends god.

That's an entirely different proposition from denying things like evolution.

It's one thing to say "Hey, we believe that if you take these actions, it offends God, and is immoral". That's a value judgement. People have different values. Meh.

It is quite another to say "The Earth was created 6,000 years ago because the King James version of Genesis is literal truth and not allegorical creation myth", and then to have that color your understanding of how the World around you works. That's saying that all the information we can glean from paleontology, geology, and archeology is essentially meaningless, and the lessons we can take from them have literally no value.

That's a problem, because that's edging into public policy areas which should be dominated by science, which for all its faults is self-correcting and it builds upon prior testable knowledge.


Well good thing Catholic/Christian values on abortion and contraception aren't entering into the realm of public policy and law either, then eh?
 
2012-09-07 09:06:21 AM  

AbbeySomeone: Who can shop it as a pedo van?


Who can shop a Penn State sticker on it?
 
2012-09-07 09:06:47 AM  
I guess irony bounced off smittys head. Posting from a country where half the states reject evolution and push creationism. And Scientology is the guiding principle for it's most recognized celebrities. Douche.
 
2012-09-07 09:18:44 AM  
"Don't you dare read the bible! Just listen to what we tell you it means!"

// you guys are so good I nearly forgot what I came in here to post
 
2012-09-07 10:06:55 AM  

Quantumbunny: Well good thing Catholic/Christian values on abortion and contraception aren't entering into the realm of public policy and law either, then eh?


They aren't, really.

Catholics lost the debate on abortion in 1973. The only reason contraception is touching public debate is that the new health care law requires them to pay for it for their employees in affiliated organizations (like catholic hospitals) . It wasn't really a public policy issue before that. It was forced upon them by government.

That wall between Church and State should be the same height in either direction.
 
2012-09-07 10:40:33 AM  

ghall3: /Their views on gays, birth control and kiddie diddlers are pretty dumb though


What's their view on gays?

You're talking gay marriage? Marriage is, within the church, a specific sacrament... not a political toy. The fact that they view the rite in a certain way is for the church to determine, and the secular use of marriage is a separate issue. The church is opposed to the political use of same-sex unions as the equivalent of marriage, the sacrament.

Otherwise, homosexuality isn't that different from sex outside of marriage in terms of sin. It's sin. Sorry, but a lot of stuff you or I enjoy is sin. Fact is, a lot of Catholics lead sinful lives... this is why Catholics aren't Saints, Angels, or whatever. Drink/eat to excess, watch pr0n, etc.

Until the church accepts gay marriage, then yeah, homosexuality will be a sin, but it's not the church doctrine to shun gays or to discriminate against gay people. Sure, you'll have Catholics & dioceses that do preach against gay people. You'll also have places like Most Holy Redeemer in the Castro that are a wee bit more gay friendly. Catholicism is a diverse sect.

Birth control? Just because you favor abortion doesn't mean that everyone should.
Condoms reflect a choice in life that some things can/should occur in the absence of loving relationships... it's like the extramarital sex as sin issue. You don't like it? Fine, but sin is sin.

Also, I think there are practical reasons for condom use, but it's not a magical talisman that will prevent AIDS in Africa or elsewhere. You know what kills Africans? Being in a farking third world shiathole. A condom won't help that. Blame the Catholic church for suffering in Africa if you like, but how many missionary works are you doing over there? When you have the funds and the ability to help Africans out of tribalism to the extent that the Catholics do, then go on with your bad self about how other orgs suck.

The kiddy diddling... there's no defense, and no excuse. The church was wrong to cover it up, and critics are right to blast the church for it.
 
2012-09-07 10:48:45 AM  

fluffy2097: Doc Daneeka: Not to defend the Catholic Church too much, but they accept the validity of both evolution and of the scientific consensus on climate change, and don't insist that the biblical creation in Genesis took place literally as described 6000 years ago.

Their whole official church doctrine "Thou shalt only molest little boys and thou shalt cover it up." kind of undoes any good will I could ever have for them.


nobody is asking for good will, but you can't really callthem 15th century whent hey embrace science.


Then there is the whole "Black people deserve to starve and get AIDS" aspect of their African public relations department.

There is a lot to work with when you want to say things about the catholic church, the kiddie touch for example, so why make shiat up?


Carth: They believe contraception and condoms work but you shouldn't use them because it offends god


The justification (that I also don't agree wiht) is that using them creates a climate where sex is more common and peopel will end up getting more disease.
 
2012-09-07 11:15:14 AM  

liam76: Carth: They believe contraception and condoms work but you shouldn't use them because it offends god

The justification (that I also don't agree wiht) is that using them creates a climate where sex is more common and peopel will end up getting more disease.


I have friends who are pretty deep into the theological underpinnings of Catholic doctrine, and apparently contraception and condoms are taboo because (this is the essential simplification) the purpose of sex is reproduction.
 
2012-09-07 12:03:27 PM  

legion_of_doo: You're talking gay marriage? Marriage is, within the church, a specific sacrament... not a political toy. The fact that they view the rite in a certain way is for the church to determine, and the secular use of marriage is a separate issue. The church is opposed to the political use of same-sex unions as the equivalent of marriage, the sacrament.

Otherwise, homosexuality isn't that different from sex outside of marriage in terms of sin. It's sin. Sorry, but a lot of stuff you or I enjoy is sin. Fact is, a lot of Catholics lead sinful lives... this is why Catholics aren't Saints, Angels, or whatever. Drink/eat to excess, watch pr0n, etc.

Until the church accepts gay marriage, then yeah, homosexuality will be a sin, but it's not the church doctrine to shun gays or to discriminate against gay people. Sure, you'll have Catholics & dioceses that do preach against gay people. You'll also have places like Most Holy Redeemer in the Castro that are a wee bit more gay friendly. Catholicism is a diverse sect.

Birth control? Just because you favor abortion doesn't mean that everyone should.
Condoms reflect a choice in life that some things can/should occur in the absence of loving relationships... it's like the extramarital sex as sin issue. You don't like it? Fine, but sin is sin.

Also, I think there are practical reasons for condom use, but it's not a magical talisman that will prevent AIDS in Africa or elsewhere. You know what kills Africans? Being in a farking third world shiathole. A condom won't help that. Blame the Catholic church for suffering in Africa if you like, but how many missionary works are you doing over there? When you have the funds and the ability to help Africans out of tribalism to the extent that the Catholics do, then go on with your bad self about how other orgs suck.

The kiddy diddling... there's no defense, and no excuse. The church was wrong to cover it up, and critics are right to blast the church for it.


Basically it comes down to you are ok with their beliefs and I'd rather they just stayed out of everyone else's business and not get all judgey. I realize that is an oxymoron when it comes to religion, which is why I suggested they just disband.
 
2012-09-07 12:32:05 PM  

Chthonic Echoes: liam76: Carth: They believe contraception and condoms work but you shouldn't use them because it offends god

The justification (that I also don't agree wiht) is that using them creates a climate where sex is more common and peopel will end up getting more disease.

I have friends who are pretty deep into the theological underpinnings of Catholic doctrine, and apparently contraception and condoms are taboo because (this is the essential simplification) the purpose of sex is reproduction.


They are taboo, but their argument is that it isn't just bad fro them but fro everyone because of the explination I sn I gave. At the end of the day it leads to the same policy, but the rational is different.
 
2012-09-07 01:21:29 PM  
I half-expected him to roll in a Tesla, waving his gold staff at the poor.
 
2012-09-07 01:27:01 PM  
Electric cars are perfect for the Vatican: They have just enough range to circumnavigate the Holy See on a single charge.
 
2012-09-07 01:35:10 PM  
The catholic church believes in evolution. Now they get a lot of things wrong but at least they got that right.
 
2012-09-07 01:44:07 PM  

ghall3: Basically it comes down to you are ok with their beliefs and I'd rather they just stayed out of everyone else's business and not get all judgey. I realize that is an oxymoron when it comes to religion, which is why I suggested they just disband.


Let me get this straight: You are telling the Catholics that they are wrong and need to change or go away. Your reason for this is the fact that they judge and meddle.

Do you see what you did there?
 
2012-09-07 02:28:10 PM  

enforcerpsu: The catholic church believes in evolution. Now they get a lot of things wrong but at least they got that right.


Do they believe in it? Or do they believe it's a battle they should not fight?
 
2012-09-07 02:47:31 PM  

fluffy2097: enforcerpsu: The catholic church believes in evolution. Now they get a lot of things wrong but at least they got that right.

Do they believe in it? Or do they believe it's a battle they should not fight?


They believe it. Now, their version includes a prime mover (the Father/Son/Holy Spirit), but yeah.

Same goes with the United Methodist Church.
 
2012-09-07 02:52:37 PM  

Son of Thunder: Let me get this straight: You are telling the Catholics that they are wrong and need to change or go away. Your reason for this is the fact that they judge and meddle.


I get that I sound like a hypocrite. And it's not just Catholics, all religions should just stick to keeping quiet. I'd prefer they go away but if they all just shut up and stopped caring what the other people are doing maybe there wouldn't be so much divisiveness in the world.
 
2012-09-07 02:58:51 PM  
So he takes this "green" one-off customized electric vehicle to the helipad where he can then burn hundreds of gallons of fuel per trip. Jesus fark, did someone make Al Gore pope!
 
2012-09-07 03:33:50 PM  

ghall3: I get that I sound like a hypocrite. And it's not just Catholics, all religions should just stick to keeping quiet. I'd prefer they go away but if they all just shut up and stopped caring what the other people are doing maybe there wouldn't be so much divisiveness in the world.


Eh, well, as religions go, Catholicism is typically not that offensive unless you disagree with them or are being raped by the clergy.

We are divided because we have free will. I don't think you'd gain much unity in ceasing all religious practices on Earth, but that's my opinion.

Besides, I don't think the world would be better served if the reasonable took a laissez faire attitude to the unreasonable masses of humanity. I don't believe in the bon sauvage/noble savage ideal...

Of course, the Catholic church is more in favor of that "everyone born innocent" thing these days, generally speaking, than I am personally. That's just hand-in-hand with the social justice part of the modern Catholic church.

Chthonic Echoes: I have friends who are pretty deep into the theological underpinnings of Catholic doctrine, and apparently contraception and condoms are taboo because (this is the essential simplification) the purpose of sex is reproduction.


No, not per se. Perhaps in a more conservative area, but this is not purely true. The Catholic church wouldn't be in favor of natural family planning methods if that were the case. Procreation is an important part, but not the only part of sex in the modern church.

Science is one thing. Being against "unnatural" interventions such as condoms is another, especially in regard to promoting the "sin" of sex outside of marriage.

I think the church views the prevention of HIV/AIDS as a huge issue in favor of condoms, but is it the only way to stop AIDS? Condoms are just a part of the whole, and Catholic missions to Africa & elsewhere do a lot of work in the other parts of the whole of uplifting humanity out of poverty/injustice. The absence of condoms doesn't negate the other works (nor does the social justice work excuse the rape of children).

Yeah, the condom thing is something the Catholic church should be more realistic about, given how much humans like to fark, but it's kind of small beans compared to the larger issues with the church & the actual other stuff that the Church does that is positive. Birth control issues are kind of a first world complaint of Catholicism, I think.
 
2012-09-07 04:15:19 PM  

ghall3: Son of Thunder: Let me get this straight: You are telling the Catholics that they are wrong and need to change or go away. Your reason for this is the fact that they judge and meddle.

I get that I sound like a hypocrite. And it's not just Catholics, all religions should just stick to keeping quiet. I'd prefer they go away but if they all just shut up and stopped caring what the other people are doing maybe there wouldn't be so much divisiveness in the world.


Everyone cares about what others are doing.
 
2012-09-07 04:24:05 PM  
he's german, what do you expect out of them folk
 
2012-09-08 07:32:26 PM  
Lots of derp in this thread.
I should do an Ask Me Anything on Reddit, because I'm Catholic. I'd probably be the most popular AMA for a while.

For the record:
1. The Pope only speaks infallibility in very, very few occasions. Unless the Pope is implementing policies of faith (i.e. he revises the roman missal), he is not speaking infallibly. Several Popes in recent years have claimed that they will never speak infallibly,
2. The Pope is God's representative in that the Pope is the head of the Church. The Pope doesn't claim to speak for God, especially not on all matters of everything.
3. The Pope's views of Birth Control are not considered to fall under infallibility, under my understanding of it's doctrine (I admittedly do not know for sure about that)
4. The number of priests who are pedophiles is approximately the same percentage as the general population. Other religious institutions, and other institutions in general have the same if not higher percentage of people committing such crimes. Why do people insult the Church when other organizations have this problem to a much more significant degree? (I will admit that some of the actions of the Bishops were misguided. I definitely believe priests who commit such actions, with absolute proof of their actions, should be excommunicated and put on a Canon Trial as well as a Criminal trial)
5. The Church accepts all mainstream scientific theories, and accepts evolution as fact. Futher, the Big Bang was initially theorized by Mgr. Georges Lemaître, a Belgian Priest and Physicist under the name "the Hypothesis of the Primeval Atom"
 
2012-09-09 10:24:33 AM  

Rockstone: Lots of derp in this thread.
I should do an Ask Me Anything on Reddit, because I'm Catholic. I'd probably be the most popular AMA for a while.

For the record:
1. The Pope only speaks infallibility in very, very few occasions. Unless the Pope is implementing policies of faith (i.e. he revises the roman missal), he is not speaking infallibly. Several Popes in recent years have claimed that they will never speak infallibly,
2. The Pope is God's representative in that the Pope is the head of the Church. The Pope doesn't claim to speak for God, especially not on all matters of everything.
3. The Pope's views of Birth Control are not considered to fall under infallibility, under my understanding of it's doctrine (I admittedly do not know for sure about that)
4. The number of priests who are pedophiles is approximately the same percentage as the general population. Other religious institutions, and other institutions in general have the same if not higher percentage of people committing such crimes. Why do people insult the Church when other organizations have this problem to a much more significant degree? (I will admit that some of the actions of the Bishops were misguided. I definitely believe priests who commit such actions, with absolute proof of their actions, should be excommunicated and put on a Canon Trial as well as a Criminal trial)
5. The Church accepts all mainstream scientific theories, and accepts evolution as fact. Futher, the Big Bang was initially theorized by Mgr. Georges Lemaître, a Belgian Priest and Physicist under the name "the Hypothesis of the Primeval Atom"


I'm keeping this. It's extremely well written, and argues logically. I'm not a catholic. My wife and kids are though, and I see a lot of anti-catholic crap everyday. It's good to see someone actually defend catholics for a change.
 
2012-09-09 03:02:36 PM  

indarwinsshadow: Rockstone: Lots of derp in this thread.
I should do an Ask Me Anything on Reddit, because I'm Catholic. I'd probably be the most popular AMA for a while.

For the record:
1. The Pope only speaks infallibility in very, very few occasions. Unless the Pope is implementing policies of faith (i.e. he revises the roman missal), he is not speaking infallibly. Several Popes in recent years have claimed that they will never speak infallibly,
2. The Pope is God's representative in that the Pope is the head of the Church. The Pope doesn't claim to speak for God, especially not on all matters of everything.
3. The Pope's views of Birth Control are not considered to fall under infallibility, under my understanding of it's doctrine (I admittedly do not know for sure about that)
4. The number of priests who are pedophiles is approximately the same percentage as the general population. Other religious institutions, and other institutions in general have the same if not higher percentage of people committing such crimes. Why do people insult the Church when other organizations have this problem to a much more significant degree? (I will admit that some of the actions of the Bishops were misguided. I definitely believe priests who commit such actions, with absolute proof of their actions, should be excommunicated and put on a Canon Trial as well as a Criminal trial)
5. The Church accepts all mainstream scientific theories, and accepts evolution as fact. Futher, the Big Bang was initially theorized by Mgr. Georges Lemaître, a Belgian Priest and Physicist under the name "the Hypothesis of the Primeval Atom"

I'm keeping this. It's extremely well written, and argues logically. I'm not a catholic. My wife and kids are though, and I see a lot of anti-catholic crap everyday. It's good to see someone actually defend catholics for a change.


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