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2012-09-07 08:16:27 AM
What, you haven't heard of second breakfast?
 
2012-09-07 08:32:12 AM
Just call it "Brunch" and charge more. That's what most restaurants do in this situation.
 
2012-09-07 08:32:44 AM
Thanks to Moochelle they can only eat carrots.
 
2012-09-07 08:33:12 AM

Sybarite: What, you haven't heard of second breakfast?


Elevenses? Tea time? Supper? Dinner? Fourthmeal?
 
2012-09-07 08:35:35 AM
When does the school day start and end? 9:45 lunch isn't so unreasonable if breakfast is at 6:00.

My wife's school goes 7:10AM - 2:07PM, and I think their lunch is in the 10:30-11:30 range.
 
2012-09-07 08:38:35 AM
Heh. This is what low taxes and austerity looks like. Don't like, then maybe you should increase you farking taxes and build an addition to the school or a whole new school.
 
2012-09-07 08:38:55 AM

Fubini: When does the school day start and end? 9:45 lunch isn't so unreasonable if breakfast is at 6:00.

My wife's school goes 7:10AM - 2:07PM, and I think their lunch is in the 10:30-11:30 range.


Your wife is an 8th grader? Have a seat over here my friend....
When it comes to eating, you can't compare children to adults, the needs aren't the same.
 
2012-09-07 08:49:53 AM
It's 14:48 and I'm making breakfast. Where is my share of the outrage?
 
2012-09-07 08:50:24 AM
Won't somebody think of Johnny's blood sugar?
 
2012-09-07 08:53:53 AM

baronbloodbath: Sybarite: What, you haven't heard of second breakfast?

Elevenses? Tea time? Supper? Dinner? Fourthmeal?


Well, my work here is done.
 
2012-09-07 09:00:30 AM

jake_lex: Just call it "Brunch" and charge more. That's what most restaurants do in this situation.


2 eggs and toast with a slice of cheese at breakfast = $3.00
Same two eggs and slice of cheese done as omelette du fromage with a side order of toast? At Brunch? = $6.79.
 
2012-09-07 09:02:31 AM

vudukungfu: jake_lex: Just call it "Brunch" and charge more. That's what most restaurants do in this situation.

2 eggs and toast with a slice of cheese at breakfast = $3.00
Same two eggs and slice of cheese done as omelette du fromage with a side order of toast? At Brunch? = $6.79.


t's not brunch without a Mimosa or Bloody Mary.
 
2012-09-07 09:02:37 AM
au, yes, I know.
 
2012-09-07 09:06:15 AM

AbbeySomeone: vudukungfu: jake_lex: Just call it "Brunch" and charge more. That's what most restaurants do in this situation.

2 eggs and toast with a slice of cheese at breakfast = $3.00
Same two eggs and slice of cheese done as omelette du fromage with a side order of toast? At Brunch? = $6.79.

t's not brunch without a bottomless Mimosa or Bloody Mary.


FTFY.

/no you may not clear my plate if that means the free drinks end
 
2012-09-07 09:06:16 AM
Kids go to school at like 2 in the morning anyway, so who cares?
 
2012-09-07 09:07:08 AM

Fubini: When does the school day start and end? 9:45 lunch isn't so unreasonable if breakfast is at 6:00.

My wife's school goes 7:10AM - 2:07PM, and I think their lunch is in the 10:30-11:30 range.


My HS went from 7:30 - 2:45ish, and one of the lunch blocks started at 10:15. It was nice because you got lunch immediately after a block and didn't have to split a class up.
 
2012-09-07 09:09:40 AM
this is called "first" meal . at Taco Bell
 
2012-09-07 09:11:58 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Heh. This is what low taxes and austerity looks like. Don't like, then maybe you should increase you farking taxes and build an addition to the school or a whole new school.


but the Board of Ed has been busy recently SHUTTING DOWN schools. turns out that test scores and literacy rate drastically improve if you kick out all the low scoring, illiterate students.

I worked at one school where there library was permanently shut down because the Board of Ed didn't want to pay for a librarian. that's because they were shutting down the school due to low scores. so it made a vicious cycle: students don't have a place to study because they get low scores. and they get low scores because they don't have a place to study.

Fubini: When does the school day start and end? 9:45 lunch isn't so unreasonable if breakfast is at 6:00.

My wife's school goes 7:10AM - 2:07PM, and I think their lunch is in the 10:30-11:30 range.


I think the main concern (or my main concern) is what do students do for energy between 9:45 and 3:00pm
 
2012-09-07 09:13:23 AM

aesirx: but the Board of Ed has been busy recently SHUTTING DOWN schools. turns out that test scores and literacy rate drastically improve if you kick out all the low scoring, illiterate students.


I am pretty the kids don't just stop going to school.
 
2012-09-07 09:18:31 AM

liam76: aesirx: but the Board of Ed has been busy recently SHUTTING DOWN schools. turns out that test scores and literacy rate drastically improve if you kick out all the low scoring, illiterate students.

I am pretty the kids don't just stop going to school.


you'd be surprised. at least, that's how it goes in NYC.

any students who haven't graduated by the time the school is shut down get transferred to other schools. however, these other schools are (A) further away and (B) overcrowded, because they're absorbing these extra students in addition to their own.

and in certain populations (inner city), you have students who are very tempted to just drop out instead of transferring in their senior year. they're already a grade or two behind AND underperforming, in addition to outside pressures (gangs)
 
2012-09-07 09:24:52 AM
If you're THAT tied for cafeteria space, why not just have kids eat in classrooms?

And don't give me any of that "they're not supposed to eat in classrooms" BS. They probably do things like halloween parties where they have snacks in the classrooms. That's been the case at pretty much every school I've attended or worked at.
 
2012-09-07 09:28:30 AM

Thorak: If you're THAT tied for cafeteria space, why not just have kids eat in classrooms?

And don't give me any of that "they're not supposed to eat in classrooms" BS. They probably do things like halloween parties where they have snacks in the classrooms. That's been the case at pretty much every school I've attended or worked at.


No shiat. We did that when my school was overcrowded. Better than force feeding the kids sloppy joes at 9:45.
 
2012-09-07 09:30:18 AM

Thorak: If you're THAT tied for cafeteria space, why not just have kids eat in classrooms?

And don't give me any of that "they're not supposed to eat in classrooms" BS. They probably do things like halloween parties where they have snacks in the classrooms. That's been the case at pretty much every school I've attended or worked at.


That would require the students or the parents to prepare a sack lunch.
 
2012-09-07 09:31:02 AM

Thorak: If you're THAT tied for cafeteria space, why not just have kids eat in classrooms?

And don't give me any of that "they're not supposed to eat in classrooms" BS. They probably do things like halloween parties where they have snacks in the classrooms. That's been the case at pretty much every school I've attended or worked at.


I'm pretty sure that's what they do in Japan, at least for the elementary school students.

I read a blog post by an American public school teacher who gave her students a mid afternoon snack, in the classroom. she immediately saw improvements in attention, grades, etc. she had to stop because the janitor complained he didn't want to clean up the extra mess.

and I take that last statement to mean: the teacher made sure the students cleaned up after themselves and deposited (most of the) garbage in the bin, but the janitor refused to empty the bin an extra time.
 
2012-09-07 09:36:32 AM

aesirx: Slaves2Darkness: Heh. This is what low taxes and austerity looks like. Don't like, then maybe you should increase you farking taxes and build an addition to the school or a whole new school.

but the Board of Ed has been busy recently SHUTTING DOWN schools. turns out that test scores and literacy rate drastically improve if you kick out all the low scoring, illiterate students.

I worked at one school where there library was permanently shut down because the Board of Ed didn't want to pay for a librarian. that's because they were shutting down the school due to low scores. so it made a vicious cycle: students don't have a place to study because they get low scores. and they get low scores because they don't have a place to study.

Fubini: When does the school day start and end? 9:45 lunch isn't so unreasonable if breakfast is at 6:00.

My wife's school goes 7:10AM - 2:07PM, and I think their lunch is in the 10:30-11:30 range.

I think the main concern (or my main concern) is what do students do for energy between 9:45 and 3:00pm


Ugghh...that sucks, and it makes me ask what the fark is wrong with property owners? Seriously good schools increase property values, piss poor schools decrease them.

I'm currently actively advocating for a property tax increase, because our teachers have not had a raise in three years. I think we have some of the best teachers around and would hate to see them move on.
 
2012-09-07 09:42:44 AM

aesirx: Thorak: If you're THAT tied for cafeteria space, why not just have kids eat in classrooms?

And don't give me any of that "they're not supposed to eat in classrooms" BS. They probably do things like halloween parties where they have snacks in the classrooms. That's been the case at pretty much every school I've attended or worked at.

I'm pretty sure that's what they do in Japan, at least for the elementary school students.

I read a blog post by an American public school teacher who gave her students a mid afternoon snack, in the classroom. she immediately saw improvements in attention, grades, etc. she had to stop because the janitor complained he didn't want to clean up the extra mess.

and I take that last statement to mean: the teacher made sure the students cleaned up after themselves and deposited (most of the) garbage in the bin, but the janitor refused to empty the bin an extra time.


Bins are almost emptied exclusively after school hours, so that janitor is really full of shiat.
 
2012-09-07 09:48:09 AM

liam76: AbbeySomeone: vudukungfu: jake_lex: Just call it "Brunch" and charge more. That's what most restaurants do in this situation.

2 eggs and toast with a slice of cheese at breakfast = $3.00
Same two eggs and slice of cheese done as omelette du fromage with a side order of toast? At Brunch? = $6.79.

t's not brunch without a bottomless Mimosa or Bloody Mary.

FTFY.

/no you may not clear my plate if that means the free drinks end


fark the rest of brunch. Just put a pickle, salami, cheese, peppers, and a slice of bacon in my bloody and I'm ready to start my day.
 
2012-09-07 09:53:12 AM

SlagginOff: liam76: AbbeySomeone: vudukungfu: jake_lex: Just call it "Brunch" and charge more. That's what most restaurants do in this situation.

2 eggs and toast with a slice of cheese at breakfast = $3.00
Same two eggs and slice of cheese done as omelette du fromage with a side order of toast? At Brunch? = $6.79.

t's not brunch without a bottomless Mimosa or Bloody Mary.

FTFY.

/no you may not clear my plate if that means the free drinks end

fark the rest of brunch. Just put a pickle, salami, cheese, peppers, and a slice of bacon in my bloody and I'm ready to start my day.


Have not had that.
 
2012-09-07 09:53:23 AM
This is not remotely close to a big deal.

At my high school in suburban Richmond, VA, I had lunch at 9:50 one year. The school day started at 7:00, so I usually had breakfast at 6:00. That's about four hours apart. Also, we were out of school at 1:50pm, so if we were absolutely starving (after another four hours), we could eat then.
 
2012-09-07 09:55:08 AM
I had lunch one year at 10:10in HS and it wasn't even over crowded. You got a pass eating snack during 6th period if you ate it fast before class settled. Which was 3m before bell and 1m before the teacher was ready.

I was like the last class to have that shiat lunch as they shifted it to 7th period out of a total 8.
 
2012-09-07 09:57:21 AM
Lunch is one of the biggest problems I have with my kids school. He gets 15 minutes to eat lunch. That's 15 minutes to go from the classroom to the cafeteria, eat lunch, then be on the playground for 15 minute recess. Food is not allowed on the playground. It takes about 2 minutes to get the kids to the cafeteria on a good day. Then he has to, sit down, find his lunchbox on the cart, open his lunch, eat it, then put his lunchbox back on the cart and go to 15 minute recess. Or, if he's doing hot lunch, 15 minutes to go through the line, pay, sit and eat.

On a good day, that's about 7-8 minutes you have to actually eat. I thought he was exagerrating until talking to a parent that helps out at lunch and keeps track of time.

Our solution is to feed him a huge breakfast in the morning, and a big snack after school.

/First grade
//All the kids in his class are skinny.
///Can only finish half a sandwich, most of one side and a drink on most days.
 
2012-09-07 09:57:27 AM
Holy crap, that's my old junior high school! This was, ugh, almost 30 years ago, and now I feel old.

There's been an influx of Asians into the area in the past couple of decades, but that obviously can't be the problem:

f.cl.ly
 
2012-09-07 10:02:05 AM

vudukungfu: jake_lex: Just call it "Brunch" and charge more. That's what most restaurants do in this situation.

2 eggs and toast with a slice of cheese at breakfast = $3.00
Same two eggs and slice of cheese done as omelette du fromage with a side order of toast? At Brunch? = $6.79.


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Appreciates a good omelette du fromage forced down his throat.
 
2012-09-07 10:15:51 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Heh. This is what low taxes and austerity looks like. Don't like, then maybe you should increase you farking taxes and build an addition to the school or a whole new school.


School spending has increased by 3x per child since 1980 with zero improvements. There is plenty of money, just the administration that has doubled in size per child siphon it off. More money is not always the answer. Sometimes more efficient spending is.
 
2012-09-07 10:16:23 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Heh. This is what low taxes and austerity looks like. Don't like, then maybe you should increase you farking taxes and build an addition to the school or a whole new school.


Its also what filling the city with tons of illegal immigrants looks like. Bloomberg has declared NYC to be a "Sanctuary City", and boy is it.

Unfortunately, when someone comes here outside the law, they tend not do to things like fill out census forms when they come knocking on the door. That, in turn, means that many parts of the city get underrepresented and the schools don't get the funding they need (because on paper, the school enrollment should be that big). Then come September, they drop their anchor spawn at the school and suddenly you have 45 kids in a class.

The very large immigrant population ( 40% of the city was born in another nation, legal and illegal) also isn't known to be very wealthy. Even if you had to raise taxes to pay for it, it wouldn't happen. Plus, a family of seven living in an illegally converted basement firetrap apartment isnt paying into property taxes anyway.


Thorak: If you're THAT tied for cafeteria space, why not just have kids eat in classrooms?

And don't give me any of that "they're not supposed to eat in classrooms" BS.


Janitors union, which is pretty strong for a bunch of people with GEDs, would flip their shiat and ask for double-tripple-exrta overtime pay.
 
2012-09-07 10:17:12 AM
The district has suggested increasing taxes by about $4 per month per resident to pay for additional schools/teacher/administrators - the resulting shiatstorm of protest killed 4,598 people and caused Brooklyn to secede from the US and form its own independent country.
 
2012-09-07 10:25:16 AM

Intrepid00: I had lunch one year at 10:10in HS and it wasn't even over crowded. You got a pass eating snack during 6th period if you ate it fast before class settled. Which was 3m before bell and 1m before the teacher was ready.

I was like the last class to have that shiat lunch as they shifted it to 7th period out of a total 8.


lunch was 7th period AND at 10:10am? so with classes ending at 2:10pm that's like a total of 134 periods??
 
2012-09-07 10:37:05 AM
We had four lunch periods crammed into less than 90 minutes when my high school went on split sessions. 18 minutes to go through the line and eat.
 
2012-09-07 10:37:54 AM
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2012-09-07 10:38:16 AM

aesirx: Slaves2Darkness: Heh. This is what low taxes and austerity looks like. Don't like, then maybe you should increase you farking taxes and build an addition to the school or a whole new school.

but the Board of Ed has been busy recently SHUTTING DOWN schools. turns out that test scores and literacy rate drastically improve if you kick out all the low scoring, illiterate students.

I worked at one school where there library was permanently shut down because the Board of Ed didn't want to pay for a librarian. that's because they were shutting down the school due to low scores. so it made a vicious cycle: students don't have a place to study because they get low scores. and they get low scores because they don't have a place to study.

Fubini: When does the school day start and end? 9:45 lunch isn't so unreasonable if breakfast is at 6:00.

My wife's school goes 7:10AM - 2:07PM, and I think their lunch is in the 10:30-11:30 range.

I think the main concern (or my main concern) is what do students do for energy between 9:45 and 3:00pm


Adderall
 
2012-09-07 10:43:31 AM
The semicolon is your friend, subby. Don't be afraid to use it when necessary.
 
2012-09-07 10:43:57 AM

aesirx: and in certain populations (inner city), you have students who are very tempted to just drop out instead of transferring in their senior year. they're already a grade or two behind AND underperforming, in addition to outside pressures (gangs)


So what you're saying is that the education is available and free, but some individuals choose not to take advantage of the opportunity. Got it.
 
2012-09-07 10:48:23 AM
when i was a freshman in HS I got dealt with first lunch 10am. My best friend who was a sophomore sat down with his tray and I was like cool at least I know someone here. After about three weeks he hadn't come to lunch a couple of times so I asked him what was up. He said "oh I had to actually start working on my Ag project I really have third lunch I just skip out of class on a bathroom pass to get something to eat"

"so you eat two lunches?"

"fark yeah, you know how much I eat"

the guy is not fat, he's just like a shark: an eating machine
 
2012-09-07 10:52:53 AM

Slaves2Darkness: I'm currently actively advocating for a property tax increase, because our teachers have not had a raise in three years. I think we have some of the best teachers around and would hate to see them move on.


What you should be advocating for is that all lottery proceeds go directly towards teachers' pay. Not Admin or any other bureaucrats. As it stands, the property owners already foot the lion's share of the costs of school. By utilizing the lottery funds in this manner, the teachers can actually make a liveable wage, and the "Ignorance Tax" is put to far better use.
 
2012-09-07 10:55:02 AM

tdyak: Lunch is one of the biggest problems I have with my kids school. He gets 15 minutes to eat lunch. That's 15 minutes to go from the classroom to the cafeteria, eat lunch, then be on the playground for 15 minute recess. Food is not allowed on the playground. It takes about 2 minutes to get the kids to the cafeteria on a good day. Then he has to, sit down, find his lunchbox on the cart, open his lunch, eat it, then put his lunchbox back on the cart and go to 15 minute recess. Or, if he's doing hot lunch, 15 minutes to go through the line, pay, sit and eat.

On a good day, that's about 7-8 minutes you have to actually eat. I thought he was exagerrating until talking to a parent that helps out at lunch and keeps track of time.

Our solution is to feed him a huge breakfast in the morning, and a big snack after school.

/First grade
//All the kids in his class are skinny.
///Can only finish half a sandwich, most of one side and a drink on most days.


My high school was like this. Might've been 20 minutes, but there were only two lunch periods, so half the school was there for each. And the earlier one was around 10:30, with a 7:15-3:15 school day.
They did have a 10 minute break around 1:30 where you could buy junk from the vending machine, but. Some days you'd barely sit down with your tray before lunch was over. We'd usually stay and eat anyway and the teachers would be lenient about it.
 
2012-09-07 10:55:16 AM

Slaves2Darkness: Heh. This is what low taxes and austerity looks like. Don't like, then maybe you should increase you farking taxes and build an addition to the school or a whole new school.


Low taxes in New york city? Seriously?
 
2012-09-07 11:02:42 AM
I wonder how the lunch lady in Lunch Lady Land feels about this? Hoagies and grinders, hoagies and grinders, here in lunch lady land...
 
2012-09-07 11:04:23 AM
I am so happy that here in Florida, we utilize the lottery to fund part of the educational system. I mean, $1 billion from FY 2010-2011. I really am glad that my son goes to public school here!!

Go Florida!!
 
2012-09-07 11:11:12 AM

AbbeySomeone: vudukungfu: jake_lex: Just call it "Brunch" and charge more. That's what most restaurants do in this situation.

2 eggs and toast with a slice of cheese at breakfast = $3.00
Same two eggs and slice of cheese done as omelette du fromage with a side order of toast? At Brunch? = $6.79.

t's not brunch without a Mimosa or Bloody Mary.


*clicks profile

Huh, not from WI. I'm impressed. But you forgot screwdriver.
 
2012-09-07 11:24:27 AM

poodebunker: I wonder how the lunch lady in Lunch Lady Land feels about this? Hoagies and grinders, hoagies and grinders, here in lunch lady land...


navy beans, navy beans
 
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