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2012-09-07 09:37:30 AM  
You might say it was like a heat wave.
 
2012-09-07 11:53:05 AM  
I was interested in the new bigger Fire, until I read the descriptions and discovered that all of the new models have "sponsored screen savers" and "special offers" on the home screen.

I'm paying big time price for a device and it comes integrated with ads?

NFW.
 
2012-09-07 11:58:55 AM  

BizarreMan: I was interested in the new bigger Fire, until I read the descriptions and discovered that all of the new models have "sponsored screen savers" and "special offers" on the home screen.

I'm paying big time price for a device and it comes integrated with ads?

NFW.


that's just for the discounted version, ne? I know that's how it is on the ereader kindles (eink the only way to go for ereading, imo)
 
2012-09-07 12:00:27 PM  
Amazon's profit margin for last quarter was .04%. I see the new Kindle raising it to .041%.

/Amazon's stock price never made much sense to me
 
2012-09-07 12:03:23 PM  

SuperT: BizarreMan: I was interested in the new bigger Fire, until I read the descriptions and discovered that all of the new models have "sponsored screen savers" and "special offers" on the home screen.

I'm paying big time price for a device and it comes integrated with ads?

NFW.

that's just for the discounted version, ne? I know that's how it is on the ereader kindles (eink the only way to go for ereading, imo)


Are you expecting him to read the ENTIRE source article and not just some one-off blog post by some disgruntled Linux user that was written in 30 seconds? Yeesh.
 
2012-09-07 12:08:36 PM  
Anyone have Amazon Prime streaming media? How does it compare to Netflix? I love Netflix but new releases are far and few between. Just curious if they have newer seasons of shows (Mad Men, The Office, Family Guy) has any adult swim cartoons, and/or better new movie releases?
 
2012-09-07 12:13:29 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: SuperT: BizarreMan: I was interested in the new bigger Fire, until I read the descriptions and discovered that all of the new models have "sponsored screen savers" and "special offers" on the home screen.

I'm paying big time price for a device and it comes integrated with ads?

NFW.

that's just for the discounted version, ne? I know that's how it is on the ereader kindles (eink the only way to go for ereading, imo)

Are you expecting him to read the ENTIRE source article and not just some one-off blog post by some disgruntled Linux user that was written in 30 seconds? Yeesh.


How about that's what I got from Amazon's page where I could pre-order a Fire last night?
 
2012-09-07 12:14:35 PM  

SuperT: BizarreMan: I was interested in the new bigger Fire, until I read the descriptions and discovered that all of the new models have "sponsored screen savers" and "special offers" on the home screen.

I'm paying big time price for a device and it comes integrated with ads?

NFW.

that's just for the discounted version, ne? I know that's how it is on the ereader kindles (eink the only way to go for ereading, imo)


And I can't understand why anyone wouldn't buy the ad-integrated lowest end Kindle compared to the non-sponsored version.
 
2012-09-07 12:21:58 PM  

BizarreMan: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: SuperT: BizarreMan: I was interested in the new bigger Fire, until I read the descriptions and discovered that all of the new models have "sponsored screen savers" and "special offers" on the home screen.

I'm paying big time price for a device and it comes integrated with ads?

NFW.

that's just for the discounted version, ne? I know that's how it is on the ereader kindles (eink the only way to go for ereading, imo)

Are you expecting him to read the ENTIRE source article and not just some one-off blog post by some disgruntled Linux user that was written in 30 seconds? Yeesh.

How about that's what I got from Amazon's page where I could pre-order a Fire last night?


There's a clear option for with and without, so it still looks like a fail on your part.

And I still don't get why you would care that the device displays an ad when you're not looking at it.
 
2012-09-07 12:24:09 PM  

Moopy Mac: And I can't understand why anyone wouldn't buy the ad-integrated lowest end Kindle compared to the non-sponsored version.


I have a friend who went that route. He says he got the cheapest one available because he's going to take it everywhere, and if he looses it, he wants to be able to replace it easily. The ads are only on the main menu screen, so they don't interfere with reading.
 
2012-09-07 12:24:14 PM  
Can you root an ad-sponsored Fire? Might be worth it for a cheap tablet option.
 
2012-09-07 12:25:41 PM  

I am Wee Todd Ed: Anyone have Amazon Prime streaming media? How does it compare to Netflix? I love Netflix but new releases are far and few between. Just curious if they have newer seasons of shows (Mad Men, The Office, Family Guy) has any adult swim cartoons, and/or better new movie releases?


I have both. At this time Netflix is still better, but Amazon keeps signing deals that put them more in line with what Netflix has. For example, they just signed a deal with Paramount that gives them movies like Captain America and Thor that Netflix has had for months. Amazon does have the odd movie or TV series that Netflix has never had, like Fringe. No one has ever had Adult Swim or most of the Cartoon Network shows.
 
2012-09-07 01:05:48 PM  

SuperT: that's just for the discounted version, ne? I know that's how it is on the ereader kindles (eink the only way to go for ereading, imo)


I totally agree. And the 'ads' are about the least obtrusive thing I've ever seen. The only appear on the sleep screen. So you do see the ad when you pick the device up to read again but the second you activate it the ad disappears completely. I'm not even young or cheap but it feels like a free $20 or $30 to me. If you push the button as you pick it up you literally won't even see the ad at all.
 
2012-09-07 01:08:37 PM  

Disposable Rob: I have both. At this time Netflix is still better, but Amazon keeps signing deals that put them more in line with what Netflix has. For example, they just signed a deal with Paramount that gives them movies like Captain America and Thor that Netflix has had for months. Amazon does have the odd movie or TV series that Netflix has never had, like Fringe. No one has ever had Adult Swim or most of the Cartoon Network shows.


The catalogs are getting closer and closer to parity and amzn is coming on like a freight train. At this point to me the biggest differentiator is the interface. AMZN meeds to break off the prime viewing from the main store. It's just too complex and confusing between buy and rent and prime, etc. Very difficult to search and a bit unwieldy. I have little doubt that is being addressed - you can't use that part of it without noticing the suck.
 
2012-09-07 01:19:28 PM  

JohnBigBootay: SuperT: that's just for the discounted version, ne? I know that's how it is on the ereader kindles (eink the only way to go for ereading, imo)

I totally agree. And the 'ads' are about the least obtrusive thing I've ever seen. The only appear on the sleep screen. So you do see the ad when you pick the device up to read again but the second you activate it the ad disappears completely. I'm not even young or cheap but it feels like a free $20 or $30 to me. If you push the button as you pick it up you literally won't even see the ad at all.


Agreed. And I buy big enough books and my train ride is short (and infrequent, thanks to working from home) enough that the ads frequently expire, and I just get a "Connect wirelessly to download latest Special Offers" screen.
 
2012-09-07 01:35:26 PM  

JohnBigBootay: AMZN meeds to break off the prime viewing from the main store. It's just too complex and confusing between buy and rent and prime, etc. Very difficult to search and a bit unwieldy. I have little doubt that is being addressed - you can't use that part of it without noticing the suck.


Oh God This!!!

Amazon's interface sucks monkeyballs. I just stopped using it and stayed with netflix.
 
2012-09-07 01:42:25 PM  
I have a Kindle Touch 3G and Nexus 7. While I do have Netflix, I'd like to have a native Android AIV player.

Anyway, for those of you asking about ads, my Kindle Touch has that, and it's not that much of a bother to me. The only place you see ads are when it's off and when you're on the home screen looking at your collection of books. Both are out of the way and do not affect my ability to read books at all.
 
2012-09-07 01:56:48 PM  

I am Wee Todd Ed: Anyone have Amazon Prime streaming media? How does it compare to Netflix? I love Netflix but new releases are far and few between. Just curious if they have newer seasons of shows (Mad Men, The Office, Family Guy) has any adult swim cartoons, and/or better new movie releases?


At this point I would say Amazon Prime isn't worth it for the movies; it's improving, but I still use Netflix more often than not. If you buy enough things from Amazon to benefit from the free shipping on many items, though, it's a pretty good deal overall, and if you have a Kindle you can also "borrow" an ebook every month.
 
2012-09-07 02:04:43 PM  

I am Wee Todd Ed: Anyone have Amazon Prime streaming media? How does it compare to Netflix? I love Netflix but new releases are far and few between. Just curious if they have newer seasons of shows (Mad Men, The Office, Family Guy) has any adult swim cartoons, and/or better new movie releases?


This has been answered, but...

In terms of sheer volume of catalogue, Netflix has Amazon beaten. But a good 10 percent of Netflix's advantage comes from direct-to-video horror, crappy tv shows nobody watched when they were actually on the air 30 years ago, and absolutely bat-shiat crazy documentaries (and not so-bad-it's-good, but, just, bad).

Amazon is really starting to kick ass with tv shows--the fiance and I are working our way through Parks and Recreation and the West Wing, both recent ads to the site. Plus, even though there's a lot of stuff not included, you can rent everything else through the same interface, and usually for 2-3 bucks a movie. Pretty cool. Plus, they've inked deals with several studios lately, so the free-streaming movie selection is about to pick up, too.

The prices are comparable, but Amazon tacks on free 2-day shipping for most stuff you buy on their site, and a free kindle lending library.

We're on a 30-day free trial with Amazon prime now, but are definitely signing up for realz once that's over.
 
2012-09-07 02:09:07 PM  

BizarreMan: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: SuperT: BizarreMan: I was interested in the new bigger Fire, until I read the descriptions and discovered that all of the new models have "sponsored screen savers" and "special offers" on the home screen.

I'm paying big time price for a device and it comes integrated with ads?

NFW.

that's just for the discounted version, ne? I know that's how it is on the ereader kindles (eink the only way to go for ereading, imo)

Are you expecting him to read the ENTIRE source article and not just some one-off blog post by some disgruntled Linux user that was written in 30 seconds? Yeesh.

How about that's what I got from Amazon's page where I could pre-order a Fire last night?


You can opt out Link
 
2012-09-07 02:09:40 PM  
It amuses me that Netflix has decided that for Documentaries I should really watch all the TED talks, something I can go to their website and watch for free. Thanks for that, $7.95/mo Netflix.
 
2012-09-07 02:13:54 PM  
I don't mind the ads on the sleep screen - I can't name a single thing that's ever been advertised on my Kindle, though I notice it changes all the time. To me it's more like an automatic book cover changer.
 
2012-09-07 02:24:15 PM  

drjekel_mrhyde: How about that's what I got from Amazon's page where I could pre-order a Fire last night?

You can opt out Link


Thanks for the link.

It's nice to know that I'm not the only person who read the full descriptions on Amazon's website and took offense at the ads.

Of course, until they actually say what the upcharge for the no-ad version is, I'm going to forget about that device.

For those who don't care about the ads. What about when you buy the 4G version with the 250mb per month data plan. How much of that data is blown sending you new ads and screen savers?
 
2012-09-07 02:25:05 PM  

CalvinMorallis: I am Wee Todd Ed: Anyone have Amazon Prime streaming media? How does it compare to Netflix? I love Netflix but new releases are far and few between. Just curious if they have newer seasons of shows (Mad Men, The Office, Family Guy) has any adult swim cartoons, and/or better new movie releases?

This has been answered, but...

In terms of sheer volume of catalogue, Netflix has Amazon beaten. But a good 10 percent of Netflix's advantage comes from direct-to-video horror, crappy tv shows nobody watched when they were actually on the air 30 years ago, and absolutely bat-shiat crazy documentaries (and not so-bad-it's-good, but, just, bad).

Amazon is really starting to kick ass with tv shows--the fiance and I are working our way through Parks and Recreation and the West Wing, both recent ads to the site. Plus, even though there's a lot of stuff not included, you can rent everything else through the same interface, and usually for 2-3 bucks a movie. Pretty cool. Plus, they've inked deals with several studios lately, so the free-streaming movie selection is about to pick up, too.

The prices are comparable, but Amazon tacks on free 2-day shipping for most stuff you buy on their site, and a free kindle lending library.

We're on a 30-day free trial with Amazon prime now, but are definitely signing up for realz once that's over.


Hey, Thanks all for answering my question!

I don't have cable, just Netflix, and while I like Netflix streaming media some of the stuff they have is total garbage. Srsly, Highlander 2 and Iron Man 2 but not the first movies?!? But Netflix is less than $10 and my internet is around $27 so less than $40 a month for entertainment. They do have great documentaries: Barkers (document real life street performers and is really funny), Parking Lot Wars (20 something year olds who are just kind of drifting through life while running a parking lot), Cocaine Cowboys (best farking documentary evar), etc.,. I never would have watched Trailer Park Boys if not for Netflix! They have Breaking Bad, Walking Dead (first 5 episodes), Mad Men, Family Guy, etc., but are always a season or two behind. Just curious if Amazon Prime got t.v. seasons earlier.
 
2012-09-07 02:25:15 PM  

tortilla burger: I don't mind the ads on the sleep screen - I can't name a single thing that's ever been advertised on my Kindle, though I notice it changes all the time. To me it's more like an automatic book cover changer.


And the ads don't bother me because they're actually for amazon products (at least that's how it is on my fiance's kindle). I really don't mind ads and coupons for stuff I buy anyway...especially if I'm getting the product itself (the kindle) for a cheaper price because of it.
 
2012-09-07 02:30:20 PM  

I am Wee Todd Ed: I don't have cable, just Netflix, and while I like Netflix streaming media some of the stuff they have is total garbage. Srsly, Highlander 2 and Iron Man 2 but not the first movies?!? But Netflix is less than $10 and my internet is around $27 so less than $40 a month for entertainment. They do have great documentaries: Barkers (document real life street performers and is really funny), Parking Lot Wars (20 something year olds who are just kind of drifting through life while running a parking lot), Cocaine Cowboys (best farking documentary evar), etc.,. I never would have watched Trailer Park Boys if not for Netflix! They have Breaking Bad, Walking Dead (first 5 episodes), Mad Men, Family Guy, etc., but are always a season or two behind. Just curious if Amazon Prime got t.v. seasons earlier.


Netflix and Amazon will always be a season behind on tv. You're essentially streaming the retail product, so you won't be able to get, say, the current season of Breaking Bad, or even last season's, since it's not available to buy yet.

And yeah, Netflix is only like 8 bucks a month, but Amazon Prime is 79 a year, which comes out to around 6.50 a month.

Again, Netflix may currently have the best tv and movie lineup, but they're on a downward spiral, and Amazon's rapidly catching up. If you're that concerned about the current tv episodes + price, why not do hulu plus (I think its 5 bucks a month?) with amazon prime?
 
2012-09-07 02:37:50 PM  

Moopy Mac: SuperT: BizarreMan: I was interested in the new bigger Fire, until I read the descriptions and discovered that all of the new models have "sponsored screen savers" and "special offers" on the home screen.

I'm paying big time price for a device and it comes integrated with ads?

NFW.

that's just for the discounted version, ne? I know that's how it is on the ereader kindles (eink the only way to go for ereading, imo)

And I can't understand why anyone wouldn't buy the ad-integrated lowest end Kindle compared to the non-sponsored version.


I bought the non-ad version when I bought a Kindle for my mom. Odds are she wouldn't have noticed or cared, but not worth the risk.
 
2012-09-07 02:54:04 PM  
You can't slap a spider with an eReader more than once. It's a farking toy, get a real book.
 
2012-09-07 02:58:33 PM  

Mouthoy: Can you root an ad-sponsored Fire? Might be worth it for a cheap tablet option.


That was my first thought as well, even simple people can root a device, most of the tools are on the PC and as long as you follow directions its a breeze. I even got the gf to watch me fix her touchpad, took less than 30 mins.
 
2012-09-07 03:04:02 PM  

JohnBigBootay: SuperT: that's just for the discounted version, ne? I know that's how it is on the ereader kindles (eink the only way to go for ereading, imo)

I totally agree. And the 'ads' are about the least obtrusive thing I've ever seen. The only appear on the sleep screen. So you do see the ad when you pick the device up to read again but the second you activate it the ad disappears completely. I'm not even young or cheap but it feels like a free $20 or $30 to me. If you push the button as you pick it up you literally won't even see the ad at all.


I bought a refurbished low-end Kindle for $40. I didn't realize it had the ads when I bought it, but they don't bother me, as they only appear once, when it's off.

I had been using the Kindle app on my Toshiba Thrive, but that thing was so heavy and bulky that it was miserable to try & read books on it. I love the Kindle, and it was a great bargain. Not to mention, I've picked up enough discounted and free e-books to more than offset the minor inconvenience of the ads.
 
2012-09-07 03:07:00 PM  
I was pretty unimpressed with the smaller end of the new lineup. I'd still much rather have a Nexus 7.

The larger one is interesting, but I'm not really interested in spending over $200 on a tablet.
 
2012-09-07 03:12:01 PM  
It's only a matter of time b4 some1 h4x the thing so u can get da ads off
 
2012-09-07 04:43:30 PM  
I want a fire hd.. but my old fire works too good with jellybean on it.. i can't see a reason to change...
 
2012-09-07 05:32:33 PM  

quizzical: Moopy Mac: And I can't understand why anyone wouldn't buy the ad-integrated lowest end Kindle compared to the non-sponsored version.

I have a friend who went that route. He says he got the cheapest one available because he's going to take it everywhere, and if he looses it, he wants to be able to replace it easily. The ads are only on the main menu screen, so they don't interfere with reading.


I bought the cheapest one as well (I used to have the non-ad supported Kindle until I lost it). I can honestly say that I have noticed no difference between the two.
 
2012-09-07 05:37:54 PM  
I hate to burst people's bubble, but...

Amazon confirms: All new Kindle Fire tablets have "Special Offers" (ads), and -- unlike past Kindles -- you won't be able to opt out.

As before, e-ink Kindles have ad free versions. The various models of the Fire do not.

As before, the ads only appear when the device is sleeping and disappear when you use it.
 
2012-09-07 06:05:36 PM  
Let me know when they come out with these for Kindle

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2012-09-07 06:14:48 PM  
I don't understand why the Kindle Fire gets so much attention compared to Barnes & Noble's Nook Tablet line, when the two are practically neck-and-neck in terms of price and features, and the Nook made it to market a year earlier.

Also Nooks are rootable liek woah.
 
2012-09-07 06:49:56 PM  

BullBearMS: As before, the ads only appear when the device is sleeping and disappear when you use it.


which is why

A. I can't believe they can get much for those ads, and...

B. I'll take that free $20 all day long. YOU ONLY SEE THE ADS WHEN YOU AREN'T USING THE DAMN THING! Wake it up and they go away. It ain't like you're browsing fark or playing a game and get an amazon ad from your tablet.
 
2012-09-07 06:50:44 PM  

poot_rootbeer: I don't understand why the Kindle Fire gets so much attention compared to Barnes & Noble's Nook Tablet line, when the two are practically neck-and-neck in terms of price and features, and the Nook made it to market a year earlier.

Also Nooks are rootable liek woah.


That would be because of your amazon prime, etc.
 
2012-09-07 07:19:10 PM  
Congrats to Amazon. They are mimicking Apple's mentality when it comes to the iPad and iPhone.
 
2012-09-07 10:03:04 PM  
I'd like to think the tens of thousands in transaction and service fees I generate for/with Amazon helped a little.

farm7.staticflickr.com

I had that one loaded in my Flickr account and never use it. I wonder it there's anything else in there I could use....

farm3.staticflickr.com

farm2.staticflickr.com
 
2012-09-08 12:59:55 AM  

wildcardjack: farm7.staticflickr.com


Granted I don't sell much on Amazon aside from books I don't need any more, but you're doing that kind of volume and still getting dinged for almost 40% in fees? What in the what?
 
2012-09-08 01:21:02 AM  

schief2: wildcardjack: farm7.staticflickr.co

Granted I don't sell much on Amazon aside from books I don't need any more, but you're doing that kind of volume and still getting dinged for almost 40% in fees? What in the what?


Start with the 15% they take as a transaction fee, but when you include getting them to do warehousing, packing, and shipping the 40% works out to my benefit. I can take a vacation and orders still get done. I'm working on new sources of income, but getting Amazon to warehouse and ship my books works out to be my boon.

I give you major props for seeing your books yourself. YOU are not my enemy, you make the system work. My enemy are the other peeps who try to sell crap at zero margin.
 
2012-09-08 02:54:40 AM  

wildcardjack: Start with the 15% they take as a transaction fee, but when you include getting them to do warehousing, packing, and shipping the 40% works out to my benefit. I can take a vacation and orders still get done. I'm working on new sources of income, but getting Amazon to warehouse and ship my books works out to be my boon.

I give you major props for seeing your books yourself. YOU are not my enemy, you make the system work. My enemy are the other peeps who try to sell crap at zero margin.


Oh, you're doing Fulfilled by Amazon sales, I guess that makes a little more sense. I'm just a guy who reads too many books and doesn't feel like keeping all of them, so I figured FbA is probably more hassle/fee than it's worth for someone like me who maybe sells a dozen books a month at most.

I totally agree with you on the zero margin people, even at my level they're a huge annoyance. I've come up with pretty inexpensive ways to securely package books (though it would be nice to get my hands on some of those wraparound cardboard things places like Amazon use), and even still with Amazon's fees I literally lose money selling books for anything less than $2-3, to say nothing of my time. I don't know how some of these zero-margin sellers pull it off.
 
2012-09-08 03:43:49 AM  
just verified that I ordered a used paperback last night.
for .01 + 3.99 shipping

/miss the paperback exchanges, where every book returned was worth a dollar off of the half off cover price.
//now hurry up with shipping my book.
///negative margin person, sry
 
2012-09-08 09:55:49 AM  

moefuggenbrew: It's only a matter of time b4 some1 h4x the thing so u can get da ads off


Foolishness, IMO.

Some of the deals are pretty sweet (e.g. $20 Amazon gift "card" for $10. Bought it, gave it to myself).

The ads have more than paid for my Kindle.
 
2012-09-08 03:55:11 PM  
It's Bing integration that bothers me. Bing? Really?
 
2012-09-08 04:08:41 PM  
I am able to get shows like Breaking Bad as soon as the episodes air on Amazon. Same with most popular shows. Beats the hell out of netflix.

Looking right now, they have the most recent episode available, which originally aired 6 days ago.

Amazon kicks ass.
 
2012-09-08 09:01:58 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: You can't slap a spider with an eReader more than once. It's a farking toy, get a real book.


I like to read books that have dead spiders all over them as well. I thought I was the only one!
 
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