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(NBC News)   Symantic and McAfee say the internet is scarier than ever, and they have just the snake oil... er... programs to sell to you to make things less scary   (nbcnews.com) divider line 98
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2012-09-07 08:41:58 AM  
Avast, matey!

Or run Linux.
 
2012-09-07 08:46:03 AM  
Or get a half-decent firewall
 
2012-09-07 08:47:57 AM  
Consumers should be wary of any company that lets you set up an automatic renewal service that charges your credit cards.
Like a Porn site, or Symantic.
 
2012-09-07 09:45:42 AM  
Just sign up for our free Super Saiyan Protection for only $149.99/month and you'll get all the protection our basic offer doesn't cover, like virus protection and our newest feature, kitten meme picture protection!

Let's be honest, we don't even upgrade the virus definitions for that basic crap anymore, so there's like a 50% chance that a Russian hacker will record every keystroke you make and centipedes will eat your brain if you use our basic $49.99 a year package. Seriously, buy our package or we'll send someone to your house to beat the living sh*t out of you. We will f*ck you up, steal your identity, and rape your dog.

Sorry, that got a little out of hand. We love dogs. We will rape your cat.
 
2012-09-07 10:41:15 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Avast, matey!

Or run Linux.


Or if you're really paranoid, Sandboxie.

/loves my Avast.
 
2012-09-07 10:46:32 AM  
Microsoft Security Essentials. Oh look that it is free and works better.
 
2012-09-07 10:47:53 AM  
Is Symantic the knock-off version of Symantec?
 
2012-09-07 10:51:49 AM  
Haven't read the article but I think another major concern was malware making its way into the BIOS. Thus even after a formatting of a drive the malware could still replicate back into any new installation of the drive.

I believe those kind of malware did exist before but it's more widespread now and a major concern that the federal government wanted to introduce standards to avoid such spread.
 
2012-09-07 10:55:29 AM  
Whatever. I just use "mycleanpc" and it finds all of the errors and fixes them.

/You other suckers can keep getting ripped off.
 
2012-09-07 10:57:28 AM  
ha-ha-guy: Microsoft Security Essentials. Oh look that it is free and works better.

So how much is Microsoft paying you to say that?
 
2012-09-07 10:57:34 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Avast, matey!


Beat me to it.

i.qkme.me
 
2012-09-07 10:58:45 AM  
Yep, Avast is still great with no signs of jumping the shark yet either.. Thank god.. I've only ever had 1 virus find it's way onto a PC I've owned in the 20 years I've been using them. Not a bad ratio and I'm one of those who immediately turns off Windows Firewalls (that's what a router is for!), Defender etc and just runs a single anti-virus program and nothing else.

The problem is there is TOO farking much protection these idiots (or genius) are selling to people.. Then when a file gets flagged, they run to a forum and ask about it, get told it's a false positive and just farking end up running it anyway or just come to the conclusion themselves it's safe because "CODm@st3r1983 seems trustworthy" It's the same "I'm invincible" syndrome a lot of SUV drivers have.
 
2012-09-07 11:01:50 AM  
Symantec and McAfee are the worst viruses your computer could ever get.
 
2012-09-07 11:03:26 AM  

ha-ha-guy: Microsoft Security Essentials. Oh look that it is free and works better.


MSE is a mediocre AV at best. My workbench PC has no AV, the Pro version of MalwareBytes and, with some common sense, I've never had a problem with it. More residential machines would benefit more from an antimalware on it than an antivirus. I rarely see viruses anymore.
 
2012-09-07 11:03:48 AM  

CarnySaur: Is Symantic the knock-off version of Symantec?


No, it's legit. I got a free subscription when I bought my $139 MackBook in Kowloon.
 
2012-09-07 11:06:44 AM  

Latinwolf: ha-ha-guy: Microsoft Security Essentials. Oh look that it is free and works better.

So how much is Microsoft paying you to say that?


Would it matter? MSE is indeed free, non-obnoxious, and works quite well.
 
2012-09-07 11:07:14 AM  

Latinwolf: ha-ha-guy: Microsoft Security Essentials. Oh look that it is free and works better.

So how much is Microsoft paying you to say that?


I've been running Security Essentials for a couple of years with no problems. And I hit some pretty dodgy sites when looking for PS material.
Helps that I don't blindly open every email I get.
 
2012-09-07 11:09:38 AM  

ha-ha-guy: Microsoft Security Essentials. Oh look that it is free and works better.


Avast > Avira > Security Essentials among free products, both for feature set and quality of detection and removal.

However, stay well the fark away from the for-pay version of Avast.

For good safety, uninstall Java if you have it. Remove Adobe Acrobat and replace it with something else (Foxit, NitroPDF, Sumatra, whatevs). Don't bother with Java unless something forces you to use it. It's not used all that widely any more.
Use a web browser that supports Adblock and a painless update method (i.e. Firefox or Chrome)
Install Spybot Search and Destroy, update and immunize on a regular basis.
Install Spywareblaster and update and immunize whenever you remember to do it.
Use an Ad blocking hosts file such as the one from MVPS.org. If you're on Window 8, which some of us do now have, turn off the Windows Defender service so that it doesn't rewrite your custom hosts file to remove entries for Microsoft's advertising buddies. If you're on Vista or 7, you need to run either a text editor or Windows Explorer with the Administrator account to modify the Hosts file.

Yes, this a complete pain in the ass.
 
2012-09-07 11:11:05 AM  

born_yesterday: Whatever. I just use "mycleanpc" and it finds all of the errors and fixes them.

/You other suckers can keep getting ripped off.


Ha! My son's 7, and he's definitely geekspawn. We were watching TV, and one of those "MycleanPC" commercials came on. He thought it sounded like a good thing. I told him it was a scam, and decided to prove it. Fired up VirtualBox and did a clean install of XP. Once the installation had completed, I downloaded the free program from MycleanPC and let it scan my "brand new computer".

It found 38 errors, and would clean my PC for the low, low price of about $30.

It was cool to watch understanding spread across his face. He now asks if a lot of commercials are lying, when anything sounds too good to be true.
 
2012-09-07 11:11:06 AM  
I would like to buy a license for my pet tick, Syman.

thepetwiki.com
 
2012-09-07 11:13:05 AM  

Gonz: Fired up VirtualBox and did a clean install of XP


That seems like a lot of work. Why didn't you have a preconfigured blank XP VM sitting around in the first place? ;)
 
2012-09-07 11:22:57 AM  

DjangoStonereaver: Avast, matey!

Or run Linux.


Some of us need to get shiat done.

/howamidoing.png
 
2012-09-07 11:40:53 AM  

ha-ha-guy: Microsoft Security Essentials. Oh look that it is free and works better.


I'll see your MSE and raise you Comodo. My work PC got one of those "Internet Security" drive-bys while on MSE; took me 2 full days just to clear it. Ditched MSE and got Comodo; been good ever since.
 
2012-09-07 11:51:29 AM  

likefunbutnot: ha-ha-guy: Microsoft Security Essentials. Oh look that it is free and works better.

Avast > Avira > Security Essentials among free products, both for feature set and quality of detection and removal.

However, stay well the fark away from the for-pay version of Avast.

For good safety, uninstall Java if you have it. Remove Adobe Acrobat and replace it with something else (Foxit, NitroPDF, Sumatra, whatevs). Don't bother with Java unless something forces you to use it. It's not used all that widely any more.
Use a web browser that supports Adblock and a painless update method (i.e. Firefox or Chrome)
Install Spybot Search and Destroy, update and immunize on a regular basis.
Install Spywareblaster and update and immunize whenever you remember to do it.
Use an Ad blocking hosts file such as the one from MVPS.org. If you're on Window 8, which some of us do now have, turn off the Windows Defender service so that it doesn't rewrite your custom hosts file to remove entries for Microsoft's advertising buddies. If you're on Vista or 7, you need to run either a text editor or Windows Explorer with the Administrator account to modify the Hosts file.

Yes, this a complete pain in the ass.


My personal list:

Microsoft Security Essentials
Malwarebytes
Spybot for immunizations only. (Don't run TeaTime, whatever it is, it brings older computers to their knees)
Non-IE browser that supports adblock and flashblock. I'm personally on Chrome.
Don't use Java unless you need it (You probably don't)
Replace anything Adobe with something else. You're stuck using Flash for the next few years, but Acrobat can just die.
Stay off sketchy porn/torrent sites. Also anything from Eastern Europe, Russia or China is probably just sketchy by default.

Everything on this list is free.

/Also, if you aren't running something, you're an idiot. Between the existence of javascript, and the fact that the way that adservers work means that no one can be absolutely certain what any one webpage will look like on any given day, it's entirely to visit a perfectly safe site that today got a screwy ad, and have it download dreck to your computer without you even knowing it or clicking on the ad at all.
//I've even heard some stories of Fark having those issues due to screwy ads.
 
2012-09-07 11:52:28 AM  

likefunbutnot: However, stay well the fark away from the for-pay version of Avast.


Apparently my GF just grabbed that for a computer-is it bad? (Why, out of curiosity?)
 
2012-09-07 11:55:33 AM  
noscript and adblock to keep unwanted scripts from arbitrarily executing on my system.
Microsoft Security Essentials on hand to scan the odd file now and again if I'm suspicious.
A good heaping helping of common sense to keep me from doing the dumb crap responsible for 99.9% of infections.

That's all I've found to be necessary.
 
2012-09-07 12:04:55 PM  

Chariset: Or get a half-decent firewall


Stop letting strange websites run scripts on your computer.
 
2012-09-07 12:05:52 PM  

Honest Bender: noscript and adblock to keep unwanted scripts from arbitrarily executing on my system.
Microsoft Security Essentials on hand to scan the odd file now and again if I'm suspicious.
A good heaping helping of common sense to keep me from doing the dumb crap responsible for 99.9% of infections.

That's all I've found to be necessary.


I keep avast around just in case I ever do something dumb. So far It's only picked up obvious false positives.
 
2012-09-07 12:10:10 PM  

fluffy2097: I keep avast around just in case I ever do something dumb. So far It's only picked up obvious false positives.


I used to really like avast. Then it became yet another victim of suite bloat. "Hey, our AV software is pretty good and popular. Let's turn it into an overly bloated suite!" Ya, pass. On to the next AV app.
 
2012-09-07 12:10:40 PM  

Felgraf: Apparently my GF just grabbed that for a computer-is it bad? (Why, out of curiosity?)


There are far better paid AV solutions out there then Avast. Their free version is worth using though, because it's free.
 
2012-09-07 12:12:01 PM  

fluffy2097: Felgraf: Apparently my GF just grabbed that for a computer-is it bad? (Why, out of curiosity?)

There are far better paid AV solutions out there then Avast. Their free version is worth using though, because it's free.


Okay, that is what I thought. I was just concerned there would be some sort of bizarre horrible repercussions and my computer would eat itself or something
 
2012-09-07 12:12:23 PM  

Honest Bender: I used to really like avast. Then it became yet another victim of suite bloat. "Hey, our AV software is pretty good and popular. Let's turn it into an overly bloated suite!" Ya, pass. On to the next AV app.


Yeah, it's whole "verbal alert" thing pisses me the hell off too. I'd use something else but nothing seems to be much better to me...
 
2012-09-07 12:13:20 PM  
Yeah, laugh it up about Norton. While many people dropped it in 2005, in previous versions it has been much leaner and meaner, using WAY less memory than its previous iterations. 2013 is pretty slick and it just was released on Wednesday. I love it.
 
2012-09-07 12:15:27 PM  

fluffy2097: Honest Bender: I used to really like avast. Then it became yet another victim of suite bloat. "Hey, our AV software is pretty good and popular. Let's turn it into an overly bloated suite!" Ya, pass. On to the next AV app.

Yeah, it's whole "verbal alert" thing pisses me the hell off too. I'd use something else but nothing seems to be much better to me...


You can turn that off..
 
2012-09-07 12:16:05 PM  

meyerkev:
My personal list:

Microsoft Security Essentials
Malwarebytes
Spybot for immunizations only. (Don't run TeaTime, whatever it is, it brings older computers to their knees)
Non-IE browser that supports adblock and flashblock. I'm personally on Chrome.
Don't use Java unless you need it (You probably don't)
Replace anything Adobe with something else. You're stuck using Flash for the next few years, but Acrobat can just die.
Stay off sketchy porn/torrent sites. Also anything from Eastern Europe, Russia or China is probably just sketchy by default.

Everything on this list is free.

/Also, if you aren't running something, you're an idiot. Between the existence of javascript, and the fact that the way that adservers work means that no one can be absolutely certain what any ...


Mine's pretty simple: COMODO IS, AdAware, Spybot, run only Firefox or Chrome...but I also turn my home rig off when I don't need it. So that cuts down on drive-bys and the like.
 
2012-09-07 12:16:48 PM  

likefunbutnot:

For good safety, uninstall Java if you have it. Remove Adobe Acrobat and replace it with something else (Foxit, NitroPDF, Sumatra, whatevs). Don't bother with Java unless something forces you to use it. It's not used all that widely any more.
Use a web browser that supports Adblock and a painless update method (i.e. Firefox or Chrome)
Install Spybot Search and Destroy, update and immunize on a regular basis.
Install Spywareblaster and update and immunize whenever you remember to do it.
Use an Ad blocking hosts file such as the one from MVPS.org. If you're on Window 8, which some of us do now have, turn off the Windows Defender service so that it doesn't rewrite your custom hosts file to remove entries for Microsoft's advertising buddies. If you're on Vista or 7, you need to run either a text editor or Windows Explorer with the Administrator account to modify the Hosts file.

Yes, this a complete pain in the ass.


I'll agree with this. Foxit Reader, Firefox, SS&D, Malwarebytes, MVPHosts file.
 
2012-09-07 12:19:20 PM  
I run Clamwin, mostly because it is very lightweight. And free.
 
2012-09-07 12:21:03 PM  

fluffy2097: Honest Bender: I used to really like avast. Then it became yet another victim of suite bloat. "Hey, our AV software is pretty good and popular. Let's turn it into an overly bloated suite!" Ya, pass. On to the next AV app.

Yeah, it's whole "verbal alert" thing pisses me the hell off too. I'd use something else but nothing seems to be much better to me...


Just hit the Settings button in the upper right corner, go down to Sounds and turn off whatever sounds you don't want to hear, or turn them all off if you want.
 
2012-09-07 12:23:08 PM  
We have Symantec and HATE IT. Finally have the budget to replace it with a new system. Powers that be are leaning toward Sophos. Anyone have thoughts on them?
 
2012-09-07 12:23:36 PM  

fluffy2097: Honest Bender: I used to really like avast. Then it became yet another victim of suite bloat. "Hey, our AV software is pretty good and popular. Let's turn it into an overly bloated suite!" Ya, pass. On to the next AV app.

Yeah, it's whole "verbal alert" thing pisses me the hell off too. I'd use something else but nothing seems to be much better to me...


MSE
 
2012-09-07 12:25:30 PM  

styckx: fluffy2097: Honest Bender: I used to really like avast. Then it became yet another victim of suite bloat. "Hey, our AV software is pretty good and popular. Let's turn it into an overly bloated suite!" Ya, pass. On to the next AV app.

Yeah, it's whole "verbal alert" thing pisses me the hell off too. I'd use something else but nothing seems to be much better to me...

You can turn that off..


THIS...

Funny but when someone complains about something that takes a few seconds to change, one has to wonder about the mad skills.

Avast user, and I always set every one that I can with it.

The few that claim that other stuff works better are always the ones that eventually let me know (in passing, of course) that they ended up with something.

But then again, these are usually the people that will click on everything they see, and are always ready to go check their accounts via that email that ask them to do so or just have to see what that attachment was.

So probably like those that complain about Avast.
 
2012-09-07 12:25:54 PM  

Olfin Bedwere: Just hit the Settings button in the upper right corner, go down to Sounds and turn off whatever sounds you don't want to hear, or turn them all off if you want.


I did that, but they sure don't make it easy to stop the thing from talking and showing you intrusive windows constantly.
 
2012-09-07 12:28:40 PM  

Rwa2play: ha-ha-guy: Microsoft Security Essentials. Oh look that it is free and works better.

I'll see your MSE and raise you Comodo. My work PC got one of those "Internet Security" drive-bys while on MSE; took me 2 full days just to clear it. Ditched MSE and got Comodo; been good ever since.


Not to poo-poo on Comodo, but isn't this the same logic the Feds use to justify the TSA?

"hey, before the TSA, there was that whole 9/11 thing. But look, since we started security theatre, we've been good!"
 
2012-09-07 12:28:50 PM  

DanZero: Yeah, laugh it up about Norton. While many people dropped it in 2005, in previous versions it has been much leaner and meaner, using WAY less memory than its previous iterations. 2013 is pretty slick and it just was released on Wednesday. I love it.


Well if it continues it's routine, you'll love what it'll let through, how slow your machine probably is now, and the coin toss that you'll have a dead machine on every update.
 
2012-09-07 12:30:36 PM  

fluffy2097: Olfin Bedwere: Just hit the Settings button in the upper right corner, go down to Sounds and turn off whatever sounds you don't want to hear, or turn them all off if you want.

I did that, but they sure don't make it easy to stop the thing from talking and showing you intrusive windows constantly.


err... if you turn the sound off, they are off...

Intrusive windows... one per update (so one per day that last 1-2 seconds).

Unless of course you keep going to bad porn sites and such. Maybe that's the problem?
 
2012-09-07 12:40:58 PM  
likefunbutnot: ha-ha-guy: Microsoft Security Essentials. Oh look that it is free and works better.

Avast > Avira > Security Essentials among free products, both for feature set and quality of detection and removal.

However, stay well the fark away from the for-pay version of Avast.

For good safety, uninstall Java if you have it. Remove Adobe Acrobat and replace it with something else (Foxit, NitroPDF, Sumatra, whatevs). Don't bother with Java unless something forces you to use it. It's not used all that widely any more.
Use a web browser that supports Adblock and a painless update method (i.e. Firefox or Chrome)
Install Spybot Search and Destroy, update and immunize on a regular basis.
Install Spywareblaster and update and immunize whenever you remember to do it.
Use an Ad blocking hosts file such as the one from MVPS.org. If you're on Window 8, which some of us do now have, turn off the Windows Defender service so that it doesn't rewrite your custom hosts file to remove entries for Microsoft's advertising buddies. If you're on Vista or 7, you need to run either a text editor or Windows Explorer with the Administrator account to modify the Hosts file.

Yes, this a complete pain in the ass.


I get Spybot to do the immunization, then run Avast... never needed anything else.

I did a full scan after over 6 months, and I think that Spybot found less than 3 object. (cookies or such, so not even worth give a crap about it)

I'll never understand why some people get hit so hard that they'd need over 50% of their machines capacity working on protecting itself.

/can't even remember last time I had any sort of issue related to a virus or anything like that.
 
2012-09-07 12:43:53 PM  

likefunbutnot: ha-ha-guy: Microsoft Security Essentials. Oh look that it is free and works better.

Avast > Avira > Security Essentials among free products, both for feature set and quality of detection and removal.

However, stay well the fark away from the for-pay version of Avast.

For good safety, uninstall Java if you have it. Remove Adobe Acrobat and replace it with something else (Foxit, NitroPDF, Sumatra, whatevs). Don't bother with Java unless something forces you to use it. It's not used all that widely any more.
Use a web browser that supports Adblock and a painless update method (i.e. Firefox or Chrome)
Install Spybot Search and Destroy, update and immunize on a regular basis.
Install Spywareblaster and update and immunize whenever you remember to do it.
Use an Ad blocking hosts file such as the one from MVPS.org. If you're on Window 8, which some of us do now have, turn off the Windows Defender service so that it doesn't rewrite your custom hosts file to remove entries for Microsoft's advertising buddies. If you're on Vista or 7, you need to run either a text editor or Windows Explorer with the Administrator account to modify the Hosts file.

Yes, this a complete pain in the ass.


I get Spybot to do the immunization, then run Avast... never needed anything else.

I did a full scan after over 6 months, and I think that Spybot found less than 3 object. (cookies or such, so not even worth give a crap about it)

I'll never understand why some people get hit so hard that they'd need over 50% of their machines capacity working on protecting itself.

/can't even remember last time I had any sort of issue related to a virus or anything like that.
 
2012-09-07 12:52:54 PM  
hmm.. Fark servers are having issues it appears.
 
2012-09-07 01:01:59 PM  
Just recently had one of those fake virus checkers blow through my firewall, and my AVG real-time from following a link to some website.

It disabled AVG, re-assigned my Exe's, disabled my windows firewall and reassigned the actual firewall.cpl file, screwed with my winsock settings, messed with my services, screwed with my registry. All kinds of fun.

sigh....rebuild time.
 
2012-09-07 01:05:48 PM  
Not too coincidentally, both companies make bloated, over-rated software that isn't worth the clock-cycles in consumes.

Can Malware still be Malware if the denial of service is the result of incompetence rather than intent?
 
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