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(Talking Points Memo)   Conspiracy nutjob with a blog claims federal student loans are on a slippery slope toward the Holocaust. Just kidding, it was a sitting US congressman who said that on camera   (2012.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 148
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2012-09-06 11:49:14 PM
If the Framers were so smart, how come they never factored inflation into the seventh amendment? Hmm?
 
2012-09-06 11:53:12 PM
Had a guy at work tell me that "all of our problems are caused by PHD's" . That they were "educated Idiots". He wants to vote for some one who represents the simple folks, salt of the earth, you know...

/On a totes diff note, I really liked Bubba's speech yesterday about ARITHMETIC!
 
2012-09-06 11:55:40 PM
"Promoting the General Welfare" - how the fark does it work?
 
2012-09-07 12:00:14 AM
 
2012-09-07 12:06:13 AM

buster_v: "Promoting the General Welfare" - how the fark does it work?


However is most politically convenient at that point in time. Seriously, that phrase is so vague as to be meaningless.
 
2012-09-07 12:06:47 AM
Nevermind that many of the founding fathers were vocal proponents of public education.
 
2012-09-07 12:07:46 AM

elchip: If the Framers were so smart, how come they never factored inflation into the seventh amendment? Hmm?


Might have something to do with the gold standard.
 
2012-09-07 12:08:40 AM

GentlemanJ: The Right seems obsessed with You-Know-Who. The Mark Levin show starts with this melodramatic pronouncement: "Broadcasting from the underground command post deep in the bowls of a hidden bunker somewhere under the brick and steel of a non-descript building, we've once again made contact with our leader, Mark Levin." Cue the Wagner.
Also, Conservative talk-show host Barbara Simpson calls herself "The Babe In The Bunker." Gosh, Barbara, I thought that was Eva Braun! Where's a Downfall satire when we need one?
/Still not voting for Obama.


Almost right...except it's Linkin Park, not Wagner. Let's not go giving Mark Levin an inch of credit.
 
2012-09-07 12:10:50 AM
Has guam tipped over?

/don't look up Rep. Sharon Jackson Lee
 
2012-09-07 12:15:32 AM

whcrow: elchip: If the Framers were so smart, how come they never factored inflation into the seventh amendment? Hmm?

Might have something to do with the gold standard.


Silver, technically. We didn't go onto the gold standard until 1873.
 
2012-09-07 12:16:05 AM
Is there anything that says that you have to pay a congress critter 3 times the average salary? If not, I say cut it back to what it was when the constitution was first written.

The First Congress decided to play it safe and compensate senators and representatives at the rate paid to the Constitution's framers-six dollars for every day they attended a session.

Link

Looks like the "Teaparty" hasn't chagned a bit.
 
2012-09-07 12:16:39 AM
wonders if the congressman who said that is a republican.. Clicks..whelp I was right
Stay classy GOP
 
2012-09-07 12:20:31 AM

fusillade762: [cdn1.alexanderhiggins.com image 290x290]

/derp


so, this is what has happened when we opened the doors on the nut houses.

FFS
 
2012-09-07 12:23:47 AM

quatchi: kaitou: EvilRacistNaziFascist: BronyMedic: America is the laughing stock of the world right now. I firmly believe this.

You're a grown adult who watches a kids' show about magic ponies. Who are you to complain about being a laughing stock?

Hell you're a defender of the modern day GOP platform. Where do you have the position to call anyone else a laughing stock?

Oh, snap.

MLP:FIM > GOP


To be fair, Princess Celestia was on board with Newt during the primaries...

media-cards.theotaku.com
 
2012-09-07 12:25:12 AM
Why all the debate? He Godwinned himself, he loses.
 
2012-09-07 12:25:32 AM

skipjack: Has guam tipped over?

/don't look up Rep. Sharon Jackson Lee


Who is Rep. Sharon Jackson Lee?

\dumasd
 
2012-09-07 12:25:56 AM

Lorelle: GOP Rep

But of course.


Old white guy.. also, but i just repeated what you said.
 
2012-09-07 12:27:11 AM

max_pooper: skipjack: Has guam tipped over?

/don't look up Rep. Sharon Jackson Lee

Who is Rep. Sharon Jackson Lee?

\dumasd


Worse than 10 bachmans
 
2012-09-07 12:38:53 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: Lorelle: GOP Rep

But of course.

Not at all like those reasonable Democrat politicians who believe that the GOP are Nazis who are secretly planning to reinstitute slavery.

What the senator in TFA was saying -- clumsily expressed tho' it may have been -- is that the federal government has no place in taking on big projects of any kind when these can reasonably be devolved to a lower level of authority; and that an unconstitutional concentration of power at the federal level is, in the long term and in the broadest sense, potentially dangerous. This is no more than a restatement of the old idea that "a government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take away everything you have", which is to say that once we grow entirely dependent upon an all- powerful State for its largesse we are also placing ourselves at its mercy should it ever choose to withdraw its favour for any reason. Because the State has a natural inclination and incentive towards perpetual expansion, even the good things it offers to the citizenry are potentially weighted with adverse consequences, and that is something we all ought to be aware of.

/now back to the Two Minutes Hate! BLARGH RETHUGLICAN BIGOT


Favorited!
 
2012-09-07 12:49:58 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-07 12:51:00 AM
Ryan like implying detected.
 
2012-09-07 01:00:20 AM
Aell all those people going to culinary schools learning to bake are getting a little nervous about their funding right about now.

/What? Too soon?
 
2012-09-07 01:04:31 AM

KerwoodDerby: Oh...my...God...that would be the rep from my district. *hangs head in shame*


It could be worse. My Rep. is Darrell Issa.
 
2012-09-07 01:10:40 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: The real horror is that there are people more stupid than this knuckle-dragging mouth-breather



The Financial Aid office calls them "borrowers.".

"I don't often talk to people with BA's in History or English and a mound of debt. But when I do, I ask for large fries."
 
2012-09-07 01:19:23 AM
I was unaware the constitution prohibited the government from getting involved in student loans. Who knew?
 
2012-09-07 01:20:26 AM

Chimperror2: Aell all those people going to culinary schools learning to bake are getting a little nervous about their funding right about now.

/What? Too soon?


And the Paultards learning to "bake" too.
 
2012-09-07 01:22:10 AM

Chimperror2: MaudlinMutantMollusk: The real horror is that there are people more stupid than this knuckle-dragging mouth-breather


The Financial Aid office calls them "borrowers.".

"I don't often talk to people with BA's in History or English and a mound of debt. But when I do, I ask for large fries."


You sound fat.
 
2012-09-07 01:22:48 AM

BronyMedic: America is the laughing stock of the world right now. I firmly believe this.

We have a politician on the House Science Committee who believes that if someone is "legitimately raped" that the body somehow magically produces an as-yet-unnamed compound to "shut down" her reproductive system.

We have people on the House Science Committee who don't believe evolution is real. Who don't believe Climate change, regardless if they believe man causes it or not, is real. We have people on the Senate who believe homeopathy is legitimate.

We are raising our third generation of BET and MTV addicts, people who would rather watch such gems as Jersey Shore than focus on things like Math, Science, and History.

When we have people like this, the fact we have conspiracy theory douchebags who claim that we're one step away from setting up Concentration Camps really shouldn't be suprising.


Don't give up hope. Just hate everyone preemptively, works for me.
 
2012-09-07 01:39:03 AM

coeyagi: I was unaware the constitution prohibited the government from getting involved in student loans. Who knew?


The constitution doesn't prohibit federal government, it enables it. Items not enabled are reserved to the states. Some people think the commerce clause for trade between states enables everything and anything. Who knew?
 
2012-09-07 01:40:08 AM

Chimperror2: coeyagi: I was unaware the constitution prohibited the government from getting involved in student loans. Who knew?

The constitution doesn't prohibit federal government, it enables it. Items not enabled are reserved to the states. Some people think the commerce clause for trade between states enables everything and anything. Who knew?


Obviously not this R-etard Godwinning himself.
 
2012-09-07 01:43:45 AM

shotglasss (farkied: Has had way too many shotglasses): Ah, more ultra liberal stuff from the muckraker.


i149.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-07 01:52:42 AM

KerwoodDerby: His moonbat rants about peak oil are legendary. He just needs to retire. The local teahadists are already mounting a challenge, which will probably result in an even greater embarrassment.


OK, lemme see if I have this straight. We're having to level mountains to get at coal, dig up tar sands for oil and pump poison into the ground to flush out gas. US domestic oil production has been declining since the mid 70s. But peak oil is moonbattery.

Roscoe Bartlett is a farkhead, but he's right about peak oil.
 
2012-09-07 01:57:08 AM
FTFA: There are more people in our, in America today of German ancestry than any other ... The Holocaust that occurred in Germany - how in the heck could that happen?

This German-American would like a word with you, Congresscritter:

i541.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-07 02:12:15 AM

Chimperror2: coeyagi: I was unaware the constitution prohibited the government from getting involved in student loans. Who knew?

The constitution doesn't prohibit federal government, it enables it. Items not enabled are reserved to the states. Some people think the commerce clause for trade between states enables everything and anything. Who knew?



The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;


I think making sure our citizens have the opportunity to be educated at all levels is providing for the general welfare of the United States.
 
2012-09-07 02:35:14 AM
rep. sharon jackson lee stoled my bibble and then forced me to worship satin
 
2012-09-07 02:38:57 AM
So do any conservatives like this Maryland idiot realize that it was Leo farking Strauss who coined the term "Reductio ad Hitlerum" to refer to the irrelevant use of Hitler/Nazi analogies?

/probably not Bartlett, since I doubt he's ever heard of Strauss
//oh, and two Maryland idiots in a row - tag?
 
2012-09-07 03:13:59 AM

47 is the new 42: Chimperror2: coeyagi: I was unaware the constitution prohibited the government from getting involved in student loans. Who knew?

The constitution doesn't prohibit federal government, it enables it. Items not enabled are reserved to the states. Some people think the commerce clause for trade between states enables everything and anything. Who knew?

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

I think making sure our citizens have the opportunity to be educated at all levels is providing for the general welfare of the United States.


Oh please. If that clause was meant to be a general grant of power, they wouldn't have bothered with enumerating all the other powers in Article I Section 8. Over half that stuff can be accomplished just by throwing money at it.

(And before you respond, note that the Founders themselves were divided over meaning of the clause. Hamilton, Adams, and the Federalists were on your side. Jefferson, Madison, and the Democratic-Republicans were on mine. For all their vaunted genius, writing unambiguous legal documents was not those guys' strong suit, which seems like a pretty big handicap when you're crafting the framework for a government that's supposed to carefully balance liberty and power. But at least it gives the Supreme Court plenty to do.)
 
2012-09-07 03:33:19 AM

HellRaisingHoosier: EvilRacistNaziFascist: Lorelle: GOP Rep

But of course.

Not at all like those reasonable Democrat politicians who believe that the GOP are Nazis who are secretly planning to reinstitute slavery.

What the senator in TFA was saying -- clumsily expressed tho' it may have been -- is that the federal government has no place in taking on big projects of any kind when these can reasonably be devolved to a lower level of authority; and that an unconstitutional concentration of power at the federal level is, in the long term and in the broadest sense, potentially dangerous. This is no more than a restatement of the old idea that "a government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take away everything you have", which is to say that once we grow entirely dependent upon an all- powerful State for its largesse we are also placing ourselves at its mercy should it ever choose to withdraw its favour for any reason. Because the State has a natural inclination and incentive towards perpetual expansion, even the good things it offers to the citizenry are potentially weighted with adverse consequences, and that is something we all ought to be aware of.

/now back to the Two Minutes Hate! BLARGH RETHUGLICAN BIGOT

The Goverment shouldn't be involved in multi-trillion dollar investment loans for the education of our nations youth? In my opinion, it's the perfect thing for our Goverment to be involved in.


I played a game called "Democracy 2" once, but it was too easy. There was supposed to be a challenge involved in staying President for a second term and fixing the problems of the USA. If my memory serves me, you can put about 10% of the Pentagon's budget into education and fix almost everything, other ills are solved by the mountains of revenue you bring in after a little time.

/csb
 
2012-09-07 03:39:42 AM
FTFA: "There are more people in our, in America today of German Irish ancestry than any other ... The Holocaust potato famine that occurred in Germany Ireland - how in the heck could that happen? And when you start down the wrong road, it can be a very slippery slope." The congressman went on to label Irish-Americans as "a drunken scourge out to sabotage our nation's proud potato heritage."
 
2012-09-07 04:06:09 AM

BronyMedic: America is the laughing stock of the world right now. I firmly believe this.


I think that your belief is up there with the dry womb representative. In my travels around the world, I've learned that you get idiot, mislead, corrupt, and overly religious politicians everywhere. I've become disillusioned as to how 'good' Europe supposedly has it, I've heard of stinkers in Australia, and Korea has fist fights and occasionally tear gas shot in their legislature.

That being said, the problem with student loans is that there are many parallels between the way we've been handling student loans and home mortgages. The cost of a college education has been rising far above inflation, just like home prices. To the point that the cost of a college degree can reduce your income to the point that you're better off going directly to work or through a technical school. It can take decades to make up the difference. 

That being said, I hardly think it'll lead to an actual holocaust.
 
2012-09-07 04:14:09 AM

BronyMedic: America is the laughing stock of the world right now. I firmly believe this.

We have a politician on the House Science Committee who believes that if someone is "legitimately raped" that the body somehow magically produces an as-yet-unnamed compound to "shut down" her reproductive system.

We have people on the House Science Committee who don't believe evolution is real. Who don't believe Climate change, regardless if they believe man causes it or not, is real. We have people on the Senate who believe homeopathy is legitimate.

We are raising our third generation of BET and MTV addicts, people who would rather watch such gems as Jersey Shore than focus on things like Math, Science, and History.

When we have people like this, the fact we have conspiracy theory douchebags who claim that we're one step away from setting up Concentration Camps really shouldn't be suprising.


Well said! You have just been favorited.

/I'm sure that will make you feel warm and fuzzy
 
2012-09-07 04:34:49 AM

EvilRacistNaziFascist: BronyMedic: America is the laughing stock of the world right now. I firmly believe this.

You're a grown adult who watches a kids' show about magic ponies. Who are you to complain about being a laughing stock?


You're an Evil, Racist, Nazi, Fascist! Who are you to complain about my entertainment choices!

But no. You are defending the modern day GOP platform of stupidity and theocracy. That speaks loads about your mentality.
 
2012-09-07 05:53:05 AM

BronyMedic: America is the laughing stock of the world right now. I firmly believe this.


I think most people in Germany can see it's the Republicans.

Just read a poll in the daily newspaper (Rheinische Post). Germans would vote 86% to 7% for Obama against Romney, with the rest Undecided/Don't know.
 
2012-09-07 06:26:32 AM

ilambiquated: BronyMedic: America is the laughing stock of the world right now. I firmly believe this.

I think most people in Germany can see it's the Republicans.

Just read a poll in the daily newspaper (Rheinische Post). Germans would vote 86% to 7% for Obama against Romney, with the rest Undecided/Don't know.


Meh. What would ze Germans know? Their "Thousand Year Reich" barely lasted a decade, FFS.
 
2012-09-07 06:46:51 AM
Republicans like 'em dumb... That way the base has something in common with their representatives.
 
2012-09-07 06:55:26 AM

BSABSVR: EvilRacistNaziFascist: BronyMedic: America is the laughing stock of the world right now. I firmly believe this.

You're a grown adult who watches a kids' show about magic ponies. Who are you to complain about being a laughing stock?

You're a grown adult who has a passive-aggressive "look how victimized I am" handle. Who are you to complain about what other people complain about?


Reading his profile, his name would be shorter if he just picked 'Asshole' instead.

Are we suppose to feel sorry for them as they nail themselves to crosses every minute?
 
2012-09-07 07:12:27 AM
No, this is what student loans are like:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-09-07 07:19:40 AM

EyeballKid: No, this is what student loans are like:

[upload.wikimedia.org image 250x188]


?

I went to a state school using a combination of Pell Grants, Student Loans, and money I saved working part-time jobs while I was in school... My loans are all paid off, and I have an education and a career I love.

Having a hard time seeing how that resembles being duped by some hustler and a 3 card monty game, to be honest with you.
 
2012-09-07 07:29:18 AM

EyeballKid: No, this is what private student loans are like:


FTFY. With private loans you have all the problems of undischargeable debt without any of the protections provided by federal loans. If it wasn't for federal loans, the student debt problem would be a lot worse than it currently is.
 
2012-09-07 07:33:05 AM
What concerns me is these here teenagers playing their "beat" music in the park and throwing their "frisbees" right where our nation's youth can see them. Now, grown-up lady parts might have the power to ward off rape babies, but a child's developing brain has no such defense against this menace. A child hears this here Dave Clark Five, and one generation later you've got yourself a Holocaust, which as I understand it, means tax rates above fifteen percent--I know, I know!--and redistribubating of the wealth and what-not.
 
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