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(USA Today)   Remember that lady who got stung by a scorpion and was charged $80K for the antivenom? Due to public shaming of the hospital, the hospital is "going to review the pricing of the medicine and work with her to adjust the cost"   (usatoday.com ) divider line
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2012-09-06 01:05:49 PM  
Bless their hearts. Private medicine works.

REPEAL OBAMACARE!
 
2012-09-06 01:07:55 PM  
Should've let her die. Rmoney 2012!
 
2012-09-06 01:08:40 PM  
aren't scorpion stings pretty common in the southwest? how much does antivenom normally cost?
 
2012-09-06 01:10:40 PM  

Ruca: aren't scorpion stings pretty common in the southwest? how much does antivenom normally cost?


Well if you aren't in the southwest, a sh*tload.
 
2012-09-06 01:10:51 PM  
Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't scorpian stings pretty much never serious?

So if it was a case of, "hey lady, we have some new stuff that will patch you right up, but its really friggin expensive, or you could, you know, suck it up for a few hours" and she still opted for it, I say bill away.
 
2012-09-06 01:12:09 PM  

LineNoise: Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't scorpian stings pretty much never serious?


Bee stings are common but there are a few folks who are deathly allergic to them.
 
2012-09-06 01:12:24 PM  

LineNoise: Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't scorpian stings pretty much never serious?

So if it was a case of, "hey lady, we have some new stuff that will patch you right up, but its really friggin expensive, or you could, you know, suck it up for a few hours" and she still opted for it, I say bill away.


"Hey lady, here's some anti-venom that in any number of other first-world, industrialized nations would be provided to you at little or no cost to ease your pain and suffering, but since this is the US of A, we're going to charge you out the ass for it".
 
2012-09-06 01:13:18 PM  
Anti-venom has a very limited shelf life. The hospital has to keep a supply of it in order to have it available when it is needed. Most of the anti-venom they have goes bad waiting to be used. So pricing goes to cover used and unused anti-venom.
 
2012-09-06 01:13:54 PM  

LineNoise: Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't scorpian stings pretty much never serious?

So if it was a case of, "hey lady, we have some new stuff that will patch you right up, but its really friggin expensive, or you could, you know, suck it up for a few hours" and she still opted for it, I say bill away.


Except that you can get the same antivenom in Mexico for $100, so I question how "expensive" it really is - and they didn't talk about the cost ahead of time.
 
2012-09-06 01:14:43 PM  
Neat
 
2012-09-06 01:15:13 PM  
Great. so she doesnt have to pay for treatment because she b*tches? That means my insurance rates will go up to cover her stupidity. DONT LET SNAKES BITE YOU AND YOU DONT NEED ANTIVENOM
 
2012-09-06 01:16:28 PM  

pisceandreamer: LineNoise: Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't scorpian stings pretty much never serious?

So if it was a case of, "hey lady, we have some new stuff that will patch you right up, but its really friggin expensive, or you could, you know, suck it up for a few hours" and she still opted for it, I say bill away.

Except that you can get the same antivenom in Mexico for $100, so I question how "expensive" it really is - and they didn't talk about the cost ahead of time.


There are a lot of things I can probably get for $100 in mexico, and would happily pay more for here.

Rev.K: "Hey lady, here's some anti-venom that in any number of other first-world, industrialized nations would be provided to you at little or no cost to ease your pain and suffering that your country paid a shiatload more in taxes for, but since this is the US of A, we're going to charge you out the ass for it".


Insurance is insurance. It shouldn't be expected to cover the whole bill of things.
 
2012-09-06 01:18:02 PM  
'merikun enterprise - f**king you over when you're at your most vulnerable!
George Washington is sprouting a boner in heaven right now.
 
2012-09-06 01:18:34 PM  
I thought they could just piss on the wound to neutralize the venom.
 
2012-09-06 01:19:01 PM  
Also shouldn't we be checking to see if this lady is rich first before we get outraged?

What if she has a few million bucks? She should be paying double that, right?
 
2012-09-06 01:19:10 PM  
ANTIVENIN

/my pet peeve
 
2012-09-06 01:22:14 PM  
biatch didn't have good insurance.

I ended up paying less than a 1k of a 60k hospital bill.
 
2012-09-06 01:23:21 PM  
This is a classic example of why our healthcare system is fu*ked.
 
2012-09-06 01:25:46 PM  

LineNoise: Insurance is insurance. It shouldn't be expected to cover the whole bill of things.


FTA:

Pharmacies in Mexico charge about $100 per dose.

Somehow, that same anti-venom was 390 times more expensive in the United States than in Mexico.

I wonder if it was 390 times more effective?

It's like you're proud of paying less in taxes so you can be utterly f*cked over a barrel by private insurance providers.

I find that strange.
 
2012-09-06 01:25:53 PM  

rostit: Great. so she doesnt have to pay for treatment because she b*tches? That means my insurance rates will go up to cover her stupidity. DONT LET SNAKES BITE YOU AND YOU DONT NEED ANTIVENOM


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Fine, I'll bite. Explain to me how the hospital can justify a $3800 dose costing the customer/patient $40,000? Sure, there needs to be some markup, but this is insane!

I suppose you can look at this as the ugly side of the free market that Libertarians desire...
 
2012-09-06 01:26:59 PM  
Just last night, my wife was nursing the baby in our bedroom and she shrieked, "GAH SCORPION!"

I was able to smash it.
 
2012-09-06 01:27:44 PM  

Rev.K: LineNoise: Insurance is insurance. It shouldn't be expected to cover the whole bill of things.

FTA:

Pharmacies in Mexico charge about $100 per dose.

Somehow, that same anti-venom was 390 times more expensive in the United States than in Mexico.

I wonder if it was 390 times more effective?

It's like you're proud of paying less in taxes so you can be utterly f*cked over a barrel by private insurance providers.

I find that strange.


It costs 100 bucks over there because it's subsidized by hippies and their rampant drug use and all of the illegals who ship our money and our jobs over to Mexico.
DUH
 
2012-09-06 01:29:44 PM  

LineNoise: There are a lot of things I can probably get for $100 in mexico, and would happily pay more for here.


We're not talking about a difference of a couple (or even a few hundred) dollars, we're talking about a differences of $39,552 per dose.

That is an astronomical difference.
 
2012-09-06 01:32:52 PM  
Was it 40k just for the medicine? Or does that include whatever time she needed to spend in the hospital, and all those related costs?
 
2012-09-06 01:33:11 PM  

Rev.K: LineNoise: Insurance is insurance. It shouldn't be expected to cover the whole bill of things.

FTA:

Pharmacies in Mexico charge about $100 per dose.

Somehow, that same anti-venom was 390 times more expensive in the United States than in Mexico.

I wonder if it was 390 times more effective?

It's like you're proud of paying less in taxes so you can be utterly f*cked over a barrel by private insurance providers.

I find that strange.


I'm not, because I don't buy the cheapest insurance I can find, and I read my policy so I am aware of what out of pocket costs may be.
 
2012-09-06 01:36:03 PM  

LineNoise: Rev.K: LineNoise: Insurance is insurance. It shouldn't be expected to cover the whole bill of things.

FTA:

Pharmacies in Mexico charge about $100 per dose.

Somehow, that same anti-venom was 390 times more expensive in the United States than in Mexico.

I wonder if it was 390 times more effective?

It's like you're proud of paying less in taxes so you can be utterly f*cked over a barrel by private insurance providers.

I find that strange.

I'm not, because I don't buy the cheapest insurance I can find, and I read my policy so I am aware of what out of pocket costs may be.


How lucky for you that you're able to afford high-quality insurance. If only all American's could afford it. The ones who can't, I guess we shouldn't give them the antivenin if they need it. We should let them rot in the street.
 
2012-09-06 01:36:09 PM  
You knew what the insurance was when you picked it up.
 
2012-09-06 01:36:38 PM  

professorkowalski: Was it 40k just for the medicine? Or does that include whatever time she needed to spend in the hospital, and all those related costs?


FTA: She also has received another bill from the hospital's emergency-room physician for $1,302.

She was only at the hospital for 3 hours.
 
2012-09-06 01:37:19 PM  
If this were a legitimate scorpion sting, he body would have had ways to shut the whole thing down. She clearly was trying to stiff the system.
 
2012-09-06 01:38:25 PM  

LineNoise: I'm not, because I don't buy the cheapest insurance I can find, and I read my policy so I am aware of what out of pocket costs may be.


Which only reinforces the notion that patient care isn't the focus of American healthcare at all.
 
2012-09-06 01:38:26 PM  

Rev.K: Somehow, that same anti-venom was 390 times more expensive in the United States than in Mexico.

I wonder if it was 390 times more effective?


Even better. They let you take it in America instead of Mexico. Well worth the extra cost.
 
2012-09-06 01:38:45 PM  
How about I walk out of the hospital, declare bankruptcy, and you don't ever have to "work with me" at all? Because that's exactly how I'd have to handle any $80,000 bill.
 
2012-09-06 01:39:38 PM  

cryinoutloud: How about I walk out of the hospital, declare bankruptcy, and you don't ever have to "work with me" at all? Because that's exactly how I'd have to handle any $80,000 bill.


Later, at the lawyer's office, just as you finish signing the last of the bankruptcy documents...ANOTHER SCORPION BITE!
 
2012-09-06 01:39:50 PM  
I'm as free market as you can be, but $80k is outlandish. There has to be some missing information in this story.

And I am not saying that price can be justified, there just has to be more to the story.
 
2012-09-06 01:40:23 PM  
Meh, anti venom is really expensive, so is the monitoring it takes to administer it in case you have a reaction to it as well. (80K is a bit high though) So be careful and don't get bit, stung or whatever.

/laugh at pics of city folk wondering around in the snake infested woods/pastures/grasslands with shorts and keens
 
2012-09-06 01:40:28 PM  

Endive Wombat: Fine, I'll bite. Explain to me how the hospital can justify a $3800 dose costing the customer/patient $40,000? Sure, there needs to be some markup, but this is insane!


jsut because you didnt think to submit a thread asking how to legally obtain snake venom, dont blame me.

She didnt have to go to that hospital. She didint have to get bitten.

Its her own fault. You cant accept a service and then change your mind after services are rendered. B*thc had better pay up.
 
2012-09-06 01:41:09 PM  

Rev.K: cryinoutloud: How about I walk out of the hospital, declare bankruptcy, and you don't ever have to "work with me" at all? Because that's exactly how I'd have to handle any $80,000 bill.

Later, at the lawyer's office, just as you finish signing the last of the bankruptcy documents...ANOTHER SCORPION BITE!


And you go back and do it all over again. It's brilliant.
 
2012-09-06 01:41:13 PM  

scottydoesntknow: LineNoise: There are a lot of things I can probably get for $100 in mexico, and would happily pay more for here.

We're not talking about a difference of a couple (or even a few hundred) dollars, we're talking about a differences of $39,552 per dose.

That is an astronomical difference.


It says right in TFA that the hospital paid about 4k a dose for it from its supplier. She got 2 doses. Chances are this stuff isn't good forever, and the hospital probably doesn't go through much of it because typically a scorpion sting usually isn't a big deal. So the cost gets inflated to make up for the waste.

Now I know my insurance has maximum out of pocket costs for stuff like hospital visits, prescriptions, etc that are far lower than 25k. Clearly hers didn't. So blaming the hospital is stupid. They are just trying to stay in business. i'd be blaming whomever picked out her insurance policy. 

But since its a health insurance debate, I'm sure we will only get half the story, that favors the person who probably would have been fine if she just took a few asprin (or whatever the hell you do for scorpion stings) and sucked it up for a bit.
 
2012-09-06 01:41:16 PM  

LineNoise: I'm not, because I don't buy the cheapest insurance I can find, and I read my policy so I am aware of what out of pocket costs may be.


WTF are you even talking about? They charged her $80,000 for $100 worth of treatment. Do you think they're not doing the same things to your insurance company who is then turning around and charging you out the ass for coverage as a result? Are you really this dense?
 
2012-09-06 01:41:30 PM  

Rev.K: Later, at the lawyer's office, just as you finish signing the last of the bankruptcy documents...ANOTHER SCORPION BITE!


I thought we decided lawyers were sharks, not scorpions?
 
2012-09-06 01:42:21 PM  

professorkowalski: biatch didn't have good insurance.

I ended up paying less than a 1k of a 60k hospital bill.


She had to go out of network, none of the places she was supposed to go to had the antivenom so she had to go to the one her insurance wouldn't cover or some shiat
 
2012-09-06 01:42:29 PM  

Rev.K: Later, at the lawyer's office, just as you finish signing the last of the bankruptcy documents...ANOTHER SCORPION BITE!


Beats a scorpion sting.
 
2012-09-06 01:43:03 PM  
The US health system is clearly there to weed out Americans so the rest of the world doesn't need to deal with them.
 
2012-09-06 01:43:06 PM  

ManRay: I'm as free market as you can be, but $80k is outlandish. There has to be some missing information in this story.

And I am not saying that price can be justified, there just has to be more to the story.


There's not any more to it, they are just profiteers. Shocker?
 
2012-09-06 01:43:40 PM  

rostit: Endive Wombat: Fine, I'll bite. Explain to me how the hospital can justify a $3800 dose costing the customer/patient $40,000? Sure, there needs to be some markup, but this is insane!

jsut because you didnt think to submit a thread asking how to legally obtain snake venom, dont blame me.

She didnt have to go to that hospital. She didint have to get bitten.

Its her own fault. You cant accept a service and then change your mind after services are rendered. B*thc had better pay up.


I know how you're logic works.
Save one thing. Did you know that scorpions don't bite people with that thing on their tails?
 
2012-09-06 01:43:48 PM  

InfamousBLT: How lucky for you that you're able to afford high-quality insurance. If only all American's could afford it. The ones who can't, I guess we shouldn't give them the antivenin if they need it. We should let them rot in the street.


No, they would get it just the same, and we would assume the bill. Just like we will with this woman if she truly can't afford it, and goes through the correct channels. (hint: the correct channels aren't crying to your newspaper). If she can afford it, well, she will end up paying for it, and obviously could have been carrying better insurance if she wanted.

Maybe she is well off and took an educated risk with her insurance plan, like many people do when it comes to car, life, home, etc insurance. Who knows.
 
2012-09-06 01:44:26 PM  
Why is it the hospitals responsibility to lower the price when she had crappy insurance?

If they sell it for that price to everyone, then that is the price, Anascorp is a new drug and expensive.

When clot buster drugs for heart attacks came out they were ~4K/dose. You needed two vials of tPA (the medicine) so it was $8k. Sure it is expensive, but then it beats having a big whacking clot blocking a blood vessel suppliying the heart muscle with oxygen rich blood.
 
2012-09-06 01:44:59 PM  
Of course the hospital is going to charge anything they think they can get away with.

And if the patient's insurance had covered the bill in full, we never would have heard anything about it.
 
2012-09-06 01:45:02 PM  

tuna fingers: rostit: Endive Wombat: Fine, I'll bite. Explain to me how the hospital can justify a $3800 dose costing the customer/patient $40,000? Sure, there needs to be some markup, but this is insane!

jsut because you didnt think to submit a thread asking how to legally obtain snake venom, dont blame me.

She didnt have to go to that hospital. She didint have to get bitten.

Its her own fault. You cant accept a service and then change your mind after services are rendered. B*thc had better pay up.

I know how you're logic works.
Save one thing. Did you know that scorpions don't bite people with that thing on their tails?


see. I thought you were smarter than this. Ill reserve judgment.
 
2012-09-06 01:45:04 PM  

Fano: You knew what the insurance was when you picked it up.


Really? So someone could just read an insurance policy and easily understand that a quick trip to the hospital for something like this would cost $80,000? Please tell use more.
 
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