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(Huffington Post)   Who called MSNBC's coverage of the Democratic National Convention "a cheering section for the Democrats": A) Rush Limbaugh, B) Sean Hannity, or C) CNN's Washington bureau chief?   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 103
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2012-09-06 11:48:54 AM
CNN is MSNBC's competitor, subby. That's what they're supposed to say.
 
2012-09-06 11:55:46 AM
MSNBC is too liberal for most Americans.

MSNBC employs Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan.

Liberalism is dead in America.
 
2012-09-06 11:57:28 AM
How did he describe Fox News during the RNC? One sentence short of slobbering BJs?
 
2012-09-06 12:00:01 PM
MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air. (I just finished Maddow's awful book "Drift". It was disappointingly poor analysis - I had expected more from her, despite knowing she was a liberal. But it was almost as painful as an Ann Coulter book.

Almost.)
 
2012-09-06 12:15:35 PM
duh.

i watched MSNBC, mainly because maddow is one of the smartest pundits out there, and also because chris matthews is unhinged most of the time. i did feel sorry for poor steve schmidt though.

that being said, MSNBC as a whole is to fox news as a minnow is to a whale. there is virtually no comparison. they are both ostensibly news organizations, but fox is the de facto media arm of the republican party. it was conceived as such and has remained steadfastly so for nearly 20 years. MSNBC has a few liberal pundits on at night, but that's about it. their actual reportage is pretty down-the-middle.
 
2012-09-06 01:02:55 PM

Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air. (I just finished Maddow's awful book "Drift". It was disappointingly poor analysis - I had expected more from her, despite knowing she was a liberal. But it was almost as painful as an Ann Coulter book.


Examples, please.
 
2012-09-06 01:11:56 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air. (I just finished Maddow's awful book "Drift". It was disappointingly poor analysis - I had expected more from her, despite knowing she was a liberal. But it was almost as painful as an Ann Coulter book.

Examples, please.


Maddow and Hayes are pretty liberal - I don't really think that's controversial.
 
2012-09-06 01:14:48 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air. (I just finished Maddow's awful book "Drift". It was disappointingly poor analysis - I had expected more from her, despite knowing she was a liberal. But it was almost as painful as an Ann Coulter book.

Examples, please.


Examples of problems with her book, you mean?
 
2012-09-06 01:26:02 PM

IlGreven: MSNBC is too liberal for most Americans.

MSNBC employs Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan.

Liberalism is dead in America.


Exactly...it's been replaced by communism.

This is what "conservatives" actually believe.
 
2012-09-06 01:28:04 PM

Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air.


Well, then, that should tell you something. Because FOX News hosts don't moderate their message. And yet, even after moderation, MSNBC is still too liberal for most Americans. Plus, they still have Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan.

So I reiterate: liberalism is dead in this country.
 
2012-09-06 01:47:20 PM

Gulper Eel: CNN is MSNBC's competitor, subby. That's what they're supposed to say.



Dammit.  Came here to say this.  Done in one.
 
2012-09-06 02:02:35 PM

IlGreven: Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air.

Well, then, that should tell you something. Because FOX News hosts don't moderate their message. And yet, even after moderation, MSNBC is still too liberal for most Americans. Plus, they still have Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan.

So I reiterate: liberalism is dead in this country.


I think Buchanan's been gone for a long time.

msnbc is slightly to the left of Obama, so moderate left.
They only look extreme to viewers of foxnews, the Republican channel as conceived by Ailes during the Nixon administration.

cnn is just incompetent.
 
2012-09-06 02:05:31 PM
Fox News: Here are your talking points for today, GOP.

*crickets*


MSNBC: Good job Democrats!

OH MY FARKING GOD THOSE LIBERAL MAINSTREAM MEDIA ELITES!!!!
 
2012-09-06 02:08:14 PM
CNN=Fox-lite
 
2012-09-06 02:08:44 PM
This from the network that hired Eric Erickson because....I dunno, somebody lost a bet? Seriously, he looks and talks like his mother and his aunt are the same person.
 
2012-09-06 02:09:35 PM
Fox News - Proactive
MSNBC - Reactive

There's a difference. Not that I'd ever watch any cable news, ever, but they aren't quite the same.
 
2012-09-06 02:09:40 PM
That's because MSNBC is the mouthpiece of the Democratic party while CNN is the mouthpiece of Twitter comments.
 
2012-09-06 02:09:47 PM

Gulper Eel: CNN is MSNBC's competitor, subby. That's what they're supposed to say.


Especially since MSNBC has been topping CNN quite often in the ratings lately on a regular news night.

But lets go to Twitter and see what people think about that. 

I stopped watching all cable news a long time ago. I get more news from BBC World News and CNN International than I ever get here in the states anymore.
 
2012-09-06 02:10:05 PM
Who cares?
 
2012-09-06 02:10:13 PM

justtray: Fox News - Proactive
MSNBC - Reactive

There's a difference. Not that I'd ever watch any cable news, ever, but they aren't quite the same.


I'm not sure what makes you think MSNBC is reactive.
 
2012-09-06 02:10:20 PM
Funny how everything looks like it leans left when you are flat-out lying on your right side...
 
2012-09-06 02:10:31 PM
I don't care which way MSNBC leans, they are terrible.
 
2012-09-06 02:10:39 PM
This from the network that carries a show starring Erin Burnett that, by the end of each episode, teaches the unfortunate viewer one thing: Erin Burnett is very pretty.
 
2012-09-06 02:11:14 PM

WTF Indeed: That's because MSNBC is the mouthpiece of the Democratic party while CNN is the mouthpiece of Twitter comments.


CNN is the WORST NEWS ORGANIZATION IN THEIR WEIGHT CLASS. There's just no excuse for how half-assed they are.
 
2012-09-06 02:12:16 PM
This from the network that was outside the Supreme Court building when the judgment on the Affordable Health Care Act was rendered, AND THEY STILL FARKING GOT IT WRONG!!!!
 
2012-09-06 02:12:59 PM
CNN is the Britta of news networks.
 
2012-09-06 02:13:04 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: WTF Indeed: That's because MSNBC is the mouthpiece of the Democratic party while CNN is the mouthpiece of Twitter comments.

CNN is the WORST NEWS ORGANIZATION IN THEIR WEIGHT CLASS. There's just no excuse for how half-assed they are.


But they have so many monitors! How can they not be the most professional news organization?
 
2012-09-06 02:13:05 PM

EyeballKid: This from the network that hired Eric Erickson because....I dunno, somebody lost a bet? Seriously, he looks and talks like his mother and his aunt are the same person.


I just wonder about his parents, and why they thought naming their kid Erick Erickson was the way to go.
 
2012-09-06 02:13:21 PM

IlGreven: MSNBC employs Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan.


I thought they fixed that whole "Pat Buchanan on TV" situation.
 
2012-09-06 02:13:42 PM

Ricardo Klement: cameroncrazy1984: Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air. (I just finished Maddow's awful book "Drift". It was disappointingly poor analysis - I had expected more from her, despite knowing she was a liberal. But it was almost as painful as an Ann Coulter book.

Examples, please.

Examples of problems with her book, you mean?


Probably what he meant. I bought the book. Reading it, I wondered once again why anyone trusted Reagan with anything.
 
2012-09-06 02:14:41 PM

qorkfiend: EyeballKid: This from the network that hired Eric Erickson because....I dunno, somebody lost a bet? Seriously, he looks and talks like his mother and his aunt are the same person.

I just wonder about his parents, and why they thought naming their kid Erick Erickson was the way to go.


His mother Lazy's maiden name was Lazerson and it worked out for her.
 
2012-09-06 02:14:48 PM

Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air. (I just finished Maddow's awful book "Drift". It was disappointingly poor analysis - I had expected more from her, despite knowing she was a liberal. But it was almost as painful as an Ann Coulter book.

Almost.)


At least the token conservatives are allowed to make a counter-point. On Fox the tokens are just their as either straw-men or are yelled at whenever they try to speak.
 
2012-09-06 02:15:58 PM
I'm enjoying MSNBC's coverage. I always do. I just wish they'd get rid of Al Sharpton (and Martin Bashir is a close second). Those two are grating on the nerves.
 
2012-09-06 02:16:00 PM
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My hour of television every week makes every other show on FOX, MSNBC, and CNN look like TV for people without the mental capacity to change their own diaper.
 
2012-09-06 02:16:09 PM

Citrate1007: At least the token conservatives are allowed to make a counter-point. On Fox the tokens are just their as either straw-men or are yelled at whenever they try to speak.


How dare you speak ill of Colmes and Black Colmes!
 
2012-09-06 02:18:21 PM
This is bad news... for Obama.
 
2012-09-06 02:18:56 PM
Free market baby. Don't like Chris Mathews? Don't watch. I don't like fascism, I don't watch Fox.

Ta da!
 
2012-09-06 02:19:28 PM
MSNBC owes a lot to Keith Olbermann
Granted, he needs a wheel barrel for his ego, but his dad died the year he imploded.

Force him to see a psychologist and bring him in a limited way
joerassenfoss.com

Rachel Maddow has a lecturing way of talking and my ADHD goes roaming looking at her neck
 
2012-09-06 02:20:59 PM
I think more viewers will eventually leave CNN for MSNBC. CNN has dumbed itself down to the point that it's painful to watch, with the exception of Soledad O'Brien. CNN lost it's footing somewhere,personally I think it's when they stopped offering smart opinion and started with that lame and lazy "both sides are bad" crap in the face of an ever more extremist right wing in this country.
 
2012-09-06 02:21:38 PM

DamnYankees: justtray: Fox News - Proactive
MSNBC - Reactive

There's a difference. Not that I'd ever watch any cable news, ever, but they aren't quite the same.

I'm not sure what makes you think MSNBC is reactive.


Sounds like he is parroting the Stewart criticism of Fox which goes something like this:

Fox opinion folks say outrageous statements. This gets recycled during their "straight news" as "some people say" questions of guests and whatnot. There is a message agenda that is set from the top and rigorously enforced throughout the various line-ups. If you watch the channel, it certainly appears to be the case in most shows. There are exceptions of course, but not many.

MSNBC is just a liberal reaction to the events of the world, especially national politics. Its more of a liberal cheering section than an orchestrated propaganda effort. There doesn't seem to be the message discipline and collusion that goes on at Fox.

That's what I took from it anyway.
 
2012-09-06 02:22:45 PM

WTF Indeed: [i4.fc-img.com image 590x295]
My hour of television every week makes every other show on FOX, MSNBC, and CNN look like TV for people without the mental capacity to change their own diaper.


And they put me on Sunday afternoon when no one will watch it!

/CNN International does air it a few more times than the US version does
 
2012-09-06 02:22:49 PM

WTF Indeed: [i4.fc-img.com image 590x295]
My hour of television every week makes every other show on FOX, MSNBC, and CNN look like TV for people without the mental capacity to change their own diaper.


I'll agree with this one. Fareed is CNN's intellectual beard.
 
2012-09-06 02:24:19 PM

bartink: WTF Indeed: [i4.fc-img.com image 590x295]
My hour of television every week makes every other show on FOX, MSNBC, and CNN look like TV for people without the mental capacity to change their own diaper.

I'll agree with this one. Fareed is CNN's intellectual beard.


was apparently
 
2012-09-06 02:24:33 PM
I like Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell, but Chris Matthews is a douche. He always has been.
 
2012-09-06 02:24:39 PM

Bocasio: Rachel Maddow has a lecturing way of talking and my ADHD goes roaming looking at her neck


I listen to her audio-only podcasts.. almost never see her on video.. but I do like her neck.
 
2012-09-06 02:24:41 PM

shastacola: I think more viewers will eventually leave CNN for MSNBC. CNN has dumbed itself down to the point that it's painful to watch, with the exception of Soledad O'Brien. CNN lost it's footing somewhere,personally I think it's when they stopped offering smart opinion and started with that lame and lazy "both sides are bad" crap in the face of an ever more extremist right wing in this country.


That's their big problem. I like a station that broadcasts from the center, but for godsakes don't just smile and nod at every idiot that comes on your station.

Get some balls and actually challenge some of the things being said, both Republican and Democrat. Then maybe you might get some creditability again.
 
2012-09-06 02:26:01 PM
I was about to ride cable news for the fact that all three cable news networks perform pathetically in the ratings.

I shouldn't be doing that during convention time, because the best of the bunch (MSNBC) came in 11th on Tuesday. Which is actually fairly respectable.

That was still worse than five separate episodes of a Big Bang Theory marathon and two episodes each of Family Guy and Counting Cars. And one episode of Teen Mom.
 
2012-09-06 02:26:38 PM

imontheinternet: I like Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell, but Chris Matthews is a douche. He always has been.


eww, I can tolerate CM much more than (c)LOD. Raych (that's what I call her)... Raych is aight
 
2012-09-06 02:27:48 PM

bartink: I'll agree with this one. Fareed is CNN's intellectual beard.


Well, the guy he was lifting material from was, anyway...
 
2012-09-06 02:28:49 PM

skullkrusher: imontheinternet: I like Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell, but Chris Matthews is a douche. He always has been.

eww, I can tolerate CM much more than (c)LOD. Raych (that's what I call her)... Raych is aight


O'Donnell comes off as an insufferable prick. Even when he's right he's annoying. At least Rachel is thoughtful.
 
2012-09-06 02:28:49 PM

Gosling: I was about to ride cable news for the fact that all three cable news networks perform pathetically in the ratings.

I shouldn't be doing that during convention time, because the best of the bunch (MSNBC) came in 11th on Tuesday. Which is actually fairly respectable.

That was still worse than five separate episodes of a Big Bang Theory marathon and two episodes each of Family Guy and Counting Cars. And one episode of Teen Mom.


I only watched the Clinton speech to be honest on CBS. Before that I was watching the football game which I assume won the ratings war last night.
 
2012-09-06 02:29:17 PM
America would be better off of the democrats and media were as liberal as the right claims they are.

Republicans are holding America back.
 
2012-09-06 02:29:44 PM
MSNBC is clearly liberal. Fox is clearly conservative. I have no idea what CNN is, because I never watch it.

Matthews, Schultz, Maddow, O'Donnell and Sharpton? Yeah, leaning a little left I would suggest!:)

I do like Ms. Krystal Ball, too.

/Lean forward..oh..and bend over a little more, wouldja?
 
2012-09-06 02:30:05 PM

Alphax: Ricardo Klement: cameroncrazy1984: Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air. (I just finished Maddow's awful book "Drift". It was disappointingly poor analysis - I had expected more from her, despite knowing she was a liberal. But it was almost as painful as an Ann Coulter book.

Examples, please.

Examples of problems with her book, you mean?

Probably what he meant. I bought the book. Reading it, I wondered once again why anyone trusted Reagan with anything.


Here's one of the most irritating bits:

When it came to missile defense - Star Wars - the system couldn't possibly work. It was obvious even the dullest of individuals and even the most casual of observers. It was retarded beyond belief, and only fools and morons couldn't tell from the description that this was a complete waste of money with no ability to intercept even a single missile.

Yet the Soviets apparently don't meet that sky-high bar of intellectual giants, and were scared shiatless of having their thousands of missiles instantly rendered obsolete and useless.

Huh?
 
2012-09-06 02:31:01 PM

thurstonxhowell: IlGreven: MSNBC employs Joe Scarborough and Pat Buchanan.

I thought they fixed that whole "Pat Buchanan on TV" situation.


They did. I haven't seen Buchanan on in a long time. But they do have Michael Steele and a few people from the McCain 2008 campaign as contributors, and Rachel frequently has interviews with fairly high-up Republicans.
 
2012-09-06 02:31:35 PM

bartink: skullkrusher: imontheinternet: I like Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell, but Chris Matthews is a douche. He always has been.

eww, I can tolerate CM much more than (c)LOD. Raych (that's what I call her)... Raych is aight

O'Donnell comes off as an insufferable prick. Even when he's right he's annoying. At least Rachel is thoughtful.


exactly. Mathews can be irritating but he isn't downright irksome like LOD is. Last time I watched his show it was pretty much entirely about how he donated school supplies to kids in Africa. Yummy, nutritious school supplies.
 
2012-09-06 02:32:53 PM

Ricardo Klement: Alphax: Ricardo Klement: cameroncrazy1984: Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air. (I just finished Maddow's awful book "Drift". It was disappointingly poor analysis - I had expected more from her, despite knowing she was a liberal. But it was almost as painful as an Ann Coulter book.

Examples, please.

Examples of problems with her book, you mean?

Probably what he meant. I bought the book. Reading it, I wondered once again why anyone trusted Reagan with anything.

Here's one of the most irritating bits:

When it came to missile defense - Star Wars - the system couldn't possibly work. It was obvious even the dullest of individuals and even the most casual of observers. It was retarded beyond belief, and only fools and morons couldn't tell from the description that this was a complete waste of money with no ability to intercept even a single missile.

Yet the Soviets apparently don't meet that sky-high bar of intellectual giants, and were scared shiatless of having their thousands of missiles instantly rendered obsolete and useless.

Huh?


I don't get your objection.

Certainly the Soviet leadership saw a huge spike in military spending, and were rightly concerned. Reagan was listening to Soviet 'experts' who made it all up.
 
2012-09-06 02:35:17 PM

WTF Indeed: [i4.fc-img.com image 590x295]
My hour of television every week makes every other show on FOX, MSNBC, and CNN look like TV for people without the mental capacity to change their own diaper.


Largely because he plagiarizes everything
 
2012-09-06 02:36:48 PM
MSNBC's Griffin about CNN Comment:" My problem with that is it doesn't give credit to what we've done," Griffin said. "That's painting in big, fat, ugly strokes and it's just not right."

Rachel Maddow is going to be pissed when she hears that.
 
2012-09-06 02:37:42 PM

skullkrusher: Yummy, nutritious school supplies.


I'm sure they can draw a picture of mosquito netting and AIDS treatments too.
 
2012-09-06 02:38:03 PM
Diane Rhem is golden with news
scienceroll.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-06 02:39:29 PM

skullkrusher: bartink: skullkrusher: imontheinternet: I like Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell, but Chris Matthews is a douche. He always has been.

eww, I can tolerate CM much more than (c)LOD. Raych (that's what I call her)... Raych is aight

O'Donnell comes off as an insufferable prick. Even when he's right he's annoying. At least Rachel is thoughtful.

exactly. Mathews can be irritating but he isn't downright irksome like LOD is. Last time I watched his show it was pretty much entirely about how he donated school supplies to kids in Africa. Yummy, nutritious school supplies.


robrimes.files.wordpress.com

GIS for "chris matthews douchebag" returns 41,500 results. Your argument is invalid.
 
2012-09-06 02:39:36 PM

skullkrusher: exactly. Mathews can be irritating but he isn't downright irksome like LOD is. Last time I watched his show it was pretty much entirely about how he donated school supplies to kids in Africa. Yummy, nutritious school supplies.


This made me LOL for some reason.

And yes, listening to LOD speak is more painful than slamming your hand in a car door. Twice.
 
2012-09-06 02:39:52 PM

Chimperror2: MSNBC's Griffin about CNN Comment:" My problem with that is it doesn't give credit to what we've done," Griffin said. "That's painting in big, fat, ugly strokes and it's just not right."

Rachel Maddow is going to be pissed when she hears that.


I don't get it.
 
2012-09-06 02:41:09 PM

WTF Indeed: [i4.fc-img.com image 590x295]
My hour of television every week makes every other show on FOX, MSNBC, and CNN look like TV for people without the mental capacity to change their own diaper.


I lost a lot of respect for him over that plagiarism.
 
2012-09-06 02:41:34 PM

imontheinternet: GIS for "chris matthews douchebag" returns 41,500 results. Your argument is invalid.


I just don't get this notion at all. He's a blowhard, loves Obama, and has some daddy issues, but a douche?
 
2012-09-06 02:42:56 PM

tnpir: skullkrusher: exactly. Mathews can be irritating but he isn't downright irksome like LOD is. Last time I watched his show it was pretty much entirely about how he donated school supplies to kids in Africa. Yummy, nutritious school supplies.

This made me LOL for some reason.

And yes, listening to LOD speak is more painful than slamming your hand in a car door. Twice.


not that donating school supplies to kids in Africa is bad; I just was really annoyed by an entire show devoted to his own altruism so I wanted to make a joke about starvation cuz when can you laugh about starvation usually?
 
2012-09-06 02:43:22 PM

imontheinternet: skullkrusher: bartink: skullkrusher: imontheinternet: I like Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell, but Chris Matthews is a douche. He always has been.

eww, I can tolerate CM much more than (c)LOD. Raych (that's what I call her)... Raych is aight

O'Donnell comes off as an insufferable prick. Even when he's right he's annoying. At least Rachel is thoughtful.

exactly. Mathews can be irritating but he isn't downright irksome like LOD is. Last time I watched his show it was pretty much entirely about how he donated school supplies to kids in Africa. Yummy, nutritious school supplies.

[robrimes.files.wordpress.com image 450x253]

GIS for "chris matthews douchebag" returns 41,500 results. Your argument is invalid.


Your point is a GIS? A GIS for "Mother Teresa Douchebag" returns 28,800 results. Therefore, Mother Teresa is 69% as much of a douchebag as Chris Matthews

And you don'e even wanna know how many results there are for "Jesus Douchebag"
 
2012-09-06 02:43:52 PM

imontheinternet: I like Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell, but Chris Matthews is a douche. He always has been.


Maddow is ok. O'Donnell is alternatively interesting and grating. Matthews I can only stand in very small doses. The rest are too irritating.
 
2012-09-06 02:44:47 PM

FlashHarry: duh.

i watched MSNBC, mainly because maddow is one of the smartest pundits out there, and also because chris matthews is unhinged most of the time. i did feel sorry for poor steve schmidt though.

that being said, MSNBC as a whole is to fox news as a minnow is to a whale. there is virtually no comparison. they are both ostensibly news organizations, but fox is the de facto media arm of the republican party. it was conceived as such and has remained steadfastly so for nearly 20 years. MSNBC has a few liberal pundits on at night, but that's about it. their actual reportage is pretty down-the-middle.


You just described Fox News. Except Fox news is more appealing to those that care about politics and news.

The NBC program that gave MSNBC the victory was NBC Sports. They stole some of the Fox and CNN viewers that chose NFL over DNC drones. MSNBC is also lucky that Fox even covers the DNC because anything else would bring in more viewers.

Fox News should replay the 1980 and 1984 Reagan speeches and conventions and crush MSNBC on ratings.
 
2012-09-06 02:44:48 PM

CPennypacker: imontheinternet: skullkrusher: bartink: skullkrusher: imontheinternet: I like Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell, but Chris Matthews is a douche. He always has been.

eww, I can tolerate CM much more than (c)LOD. Raych (that's what I call her)... Raych is aight

O'Donnell comes off as an insufferable prick. Even when he's right he's annoying. At least Rachel is thoughtful.

exactly. Mathews can be irritating but he isn't downright irksome like LOD is. Last time I watched his show it was pretty much entirely about how he donated school supplies to kids in Africa. Yummy, nutritious school supplies.

[robrimes.files.wordpress.com image 450x253]

GIS for "chris matthews douchebag" returns 41,500 results. Your argument is invalid.

Your point is a GIS? A GIS for "Mother Teresa Douchebag" returns 28,800 results. Therefore, Mother Teresa is 69% as much of a douchebag as Chris Matthews

And you don'e even wanna know how many results there are for "Jesus Douchebag"


I think he might've been kidding
 
2012-09-06 02:45:10 PM

Ricardo Klement: imontheinternet: I like Rachel Maddow and Lawrence O'Donnell, but Chris Matthews is a douche. He always has been.

Maddow is ok. O'Donnell is alternatively interesting and grating. Matthews I can only stand in very small doses. The rest are too irritating.


The thing about Matthews is that, IMO, he's a genuinely earnest person who's just not that smart or perceptive. He's not an idiot or anything, he's just aggressively average. Which means he is sometimes smart and sometimes stupid.
 
2012-09-06 02:45:38 PM

Ricardo Klement: I lost a lot of respect for him over that plagiarism.


Have you read the story about it? Both him and the other woman used the same statistics from the same book, both of them sighted the book in their articles. But because his article came out second, Newsbusters decided to say he should have cited her article because it used the same stats that his article did. Basically, the plagiarism claim was because he is attacking his old neo-con buddies and it's pissing them off because they really want to invade Iran.
 
2012-09-06 02:48:33 PM

CPennypacker: Your point is a GIS? A GIS for "Mother Teresa Douchebag" returns 28,800 results. Therefore, Mother Teresa is 69% as much of a douchebag as Chris Matthews


That's not fair to Chris Matthews.

/Mother Theresa was no Mother Theresa
 
2012-09-06 02:50:00 PM

Alphax: Ricardo Klement: Alphax: Ricardo Klement: cameroncrazy1984: Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air. (I just finished Maddow's awful book "Drift". It was disappointingly poor analysis - I had expected more from her, despite knowing she was a liberal. But it was almost as painful as an Ann Coulter book.

Examples, please.

Examples of problems with her book, you mean?

Probably what he meant. I bought the book. Reading it, I wondered once again why anyone trusted Reagan with anything.

Here's one of the most irritating bits:

When it came to missile defense - Star Wars - the system couldn't possibly work. It was obvious even the dullest of individuals and even the most casual of observers. It was retarded beyond belief, and only fools and morons couldn't tell from the description that this was a complete waste of money with no ability to intercept even a single missile.

Yet the Soviets apparently don't meet that sky-high bar of intellectual giants, and were scared shiatless of having their thousands of missiles instantly rendered obsolete and useless.

Huh?

I don't get your objection.

Certainly the Soviet leadership saw a huge spike in military spending, and were rightly concerned. Reagan was listening to Soviet 'experts' who made it all up.


My issue is that she's saying even stupid people knew SDI wasn't dangerous. But the Soviets were terrified of this non-working weapon systems. It's a contradiction of huge proportions. Do you really not see that?
 
2012-09-06 02:51:46 PM

WTF Indeed: Ricardo Klement: I lost a lot of respect for him over that plagiarism.

Have you read the story about it? Both him and the other woman used the same statistics from the same book, both of them sighted the book in their articles. But because his article came out second, Newsbusters decided to say he should have cited her article because it used the same stats that his article did. Basically, the plagiarism claim was because he is attacking his old neo-con buddies and it's pissing them off because they really want to invade Iran.


So he apologized because...
 
2012-09-06 02:52:06 PM

tnpir: skullkrusher: exactly. Mathews can be irritating but he isn't downright irksome like LOD is. Last time I watched his show it was pretty much entirely about how he donated school supplies to kids in Africa. Yummy, nutritious school supplies.

This made me LOL for some reason.

And yes, listening to LOD speak is more painful than slamming your hand in a car door. Twice.


I think it's desks and they're built locally so employing some people over there so, whatever...

O'Donnell overreaches a lot but his snark hits the target about half the time so I leave it on after Maddow if there's nothing else on. He often seems to be trying(and failing) to start a feud with O'Reilly or Hannity or Rush.
 
2012-09-06 02:56:17 PM

Ricardo Klement: So he apologized because...


It's easier to say "I'm sorry" than "f*ck you, you moronic idiots. Go suck your boss' dick." Think about it this way, it's easier to disappear for two weeks and comeback than it is to pick a fight with an organization willing to lie.
 
2012-09-06 02:59:40 PM

skullkrusher: I think he might've been kidding


Not at all. I base all my decisions on GIS results. That's why this election, I will be proudly writing in my vote for Scarlett Johansson nude.
 
2012-09-06 03:00:56 PM

skullkrusher: not that donating school supplies to kids in Africa is bad; I just was really annoyed by an entire show devoted to his own altruism so I wanted to make a joke about starvation cuz when can you laugh about starvation usually?


www.findadeath.com

YEAH! WHY DON'T THEY GO WHERE THE FOOD IS?!!?!!!?
 
2012-09-06 03:00:57 PM

Citrate1007: Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air. (I just finished Maddow's awful book "Drift". It was disappointingly poor analysis - I had expected more from her, despite knowing she was a liberal. But it was almost as painful as an Ann Coulter book.

Almost.)

At least the token conservatives are allowed to make a counter-point. On Fox the tokens are just their as either straw-men or are yelled at whenever they try to speak.


Steve Schmidt is a traitorous RINO these days as far as "real conservatives" are concerned.
 
2012-09-06 03:01:00 PM

imontheinternet: skullkrusher: I think he might've been kidding

Not at all. I base all my decisions on GIS results. That's why this election, I will be proudly writing in my vote for Scarlett Johansson nude.


well, I base mine on Yahoo board comments so I am voting for the alien sasquatch who calls himself Alex Jones
 
MFL
2012-09-06 03:04:04 PM
MSNBC is covering this convention like a bunch of 12 year old boys at a slumber party watching cinemax and Chris Matthews is the kid who gets weird.
 
2012-09-06 03:04:33 PM

Ricardo Klement: Alphax: Ricardo Klement: Alphax: Ricardo Klement: cameroncrazy1984: Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air. (I just finished Maddow's awful book "Drift". It was disappointingly poor analysis - I had expected more from her, despite knowing she was a liberal. But it was almost as painful as an Ann Coulter book.

Examples, please.

Examples of problems with her book, you mean?

Probably what he meant. I bought the book. Reading it, I wondered once again why anyone trusted Reagan with anything.

Here's one of the most irritating bits:

When it came to missile defense - Star Wars - the system couldn't possibly work. It was obvious even the dullest of individuals and even the most casual of observers. It was retarded beyond belief, and only fools and morons couldn't tell from the description that this was a complete waste of money with no ability to intercept even a single missile.

Yet the Soviets apparently don't meet that sky-high bar of intellectual giants, and were scared shiatless of having their thousands of missiles instantly rendered obsolete and useless.

Huh?

I don't get your objection.

Certainly the Soviet leadership saw a huge spike in military spending, and were rightly concerned. Reagan was listening to Soviet 'experts' who made it all up.

My issue is that she's saying even stupid people knew SDI wasn't dangerous. But the Soviets were terrified of this non-working weapon systems. It's a contradiction of huge proportions. Do you really not see that?


Were the Soviets terrified?
 
2012-09-06 03:07:58 PM

Ricardo Klement: Alphax: Ricardo Klement: Alphax: Ricardo Klement: cameroncrazy1984: Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air. (I just finished Maddow's awful book "Drift". It was disappointingly poor analysis - I had expected more from her, despite knowing she was a liberal. But it was almost as painful as an Ann Coulter book.

Examples, please.

Examples of problems with her book, you mean?

Probably what he meant. I bought the book. Reading it, I wondered once again why anyone trusted Reagan with anything.

Here's one of the most irritating bits:

When it came to missile defense - Star Wars - the system couldn't possibly work. It was obvious even the dullest of individuals and even the most casual of observers. It was retarded beyond belief, and only fools and morons couldn't tell from the description that this was a complete waste of money with no ability to intercept even a single missile.

Yet the Soviets apparently don't meet that sky-high bar of intellectual giants, and were scared shiatless of having their thousands of missiles instantly rendered obsolete and useless.

Huh?

I don't get your objection.

Certainly the Soviet leadership saw a huge spike in military spending, and were rightly concerned. Reagan was listening to Soviet 'experts' who made it all up.

My issue is that she's saying even stupid people knew SDI wasn't dangerous. But the Soviets were terrified of this non-working weapon systems. It's a contradiction of huge proportions. Do you really not see that?


There was a meeting, after the Cold War ended, between military officials from both the US and the former Soviet union.

After the official meetings were done, and the officials themselves had been casually talking and drinking, one of the Americans ventured to ask, "Can I ask you... when did you know you'd lost the Cold War."

The Russian officials looked at each other for a moment, and then one replied,"Star Wars."
"SDI? But it didn't work."

"Oh, we knew that," the Russian replied, "But we knew that if the United States was willing to spend such an incredible amount of money for no practical result, we couldn't possibly ever match that sort of financial resolve or capacity."

"So you're saying," asked the American, "That we could have simply taken that money, piled it into Times Square, burned it, and the message would have been the same?"

"Yes."

Everyone in the know knew that SDI didn't work. The difference was that the USSR was terrified they had no way to publicly counter it, and to even attempt something of that sort would bankrupt them. That's why they were terrified.

Basically, you're super butthurt about some of her hyperbole, even if she's totally correct in her history. Here's a dustvac and some wipes, you can use them to get that sand out of your vagina.
 
2012-09-06 03:19:16 PM
In This Thread: pseudo-intellectual equivocation and people with no understanding of the u.s. political spectrum.
 
2012-09-06 03:31:58 PM
d) The guy who employs neo-con cheerleader moran Wolf Blitzer?
 
2012-09-06 03:36:34 PM

tnpir: skullkrusher: not that donating school supplies to kids in Africa is bad; I just was really annoyed by an entire show devoted to his own altruism so I wanted to make a joke about starvation cuz when can you laugh about starvation usually?

[www.findadeath.com image 220x223]

YEAH! WHY DON'T THEY GO WHERE THE FOOD IS?!!?!!!?


Because the security guards won't let them in!
 
2012-09-06 03:55:45 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Citrate1007: Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air. (I just finished Maddow's awful book "Drift". It was disappointingly poor analysis - I had expected more from her, despite knowing she was a liberal. But it was almost as painful as an Ann Coulter book.

Almost.)

At least the token conservatives are allowed to make a counter-point. On Fox the tokens are just their as either straw-men or are yelled at whenever they try to speak.

Steve Schmidt is a traitorous RINO these days as far as "real conservatives" are concerned.


Steve Schmidt has earned a lot of forgiveness in my book after what he went through.
 
2012-09-06 03:56:57 PM

Alphax: Were the Soviets terrified?


No. So it's not destabilizing.
 
2012-09-06 03:59:33 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: There was a meeting, after the Cold War ended, between military officials from both the US and the former Soviet union.

After the official meetings were done, and the officials themselves had been casually talking and drinking, one of the Americans ventured to ask, "Can I ask you... when did you know you'd lost the Cold War."

The Russian officials looked at each other for a moment, and then one replied,"Star Wars."
"SDI? But it didn't work."

"Oh, we knew that," the Russian replied, "But we knew that if the United States was willing to spend such an incredible amount of money for no practical result, we couldn't possibly ever match that sort of financial resolve or capacity."

"So you're saying," asked the American, "That we could have simply taken that money, piled it into Times Square, burned it, and the message would have been the same?"

"Yes."

Everyone in the know knew that SDI didn't work. The difference was that the USSR was terrified they had no way to publicly counter it, and to even attempt something of that sort would bankrupt them. That's why they were terrified.

Basically, you're super butthurt about some of her hyperbole, even if she's totally correct in her history. Here's a dustvac and some wipes, you can use them to get that sand out of your vagina.


*facepalm*

That's my point - she's wrong when she says the Soviets were scared of SDI.
 
2012-09-06 04:30:06 PM
Duh.

They made a calculated decision to emulate Fox News. There was an unserviced segment of the market and they went after it.

/Show me on the doll where the invisible hand of the market touched you.
 
2012-09-06 04:31:01 PM

Ricardo Klement: *facepalm*

That's my point - she's wrong when she says the Soviets were scared of SDI.


No, they were scared. Not of the SDI's potential as a weapon, but, rather, what SDI represented as a fiscal / political / military policy in regards to the United States' ability to throw away money in what was, for all intents and purposes, a giant PR campaign that the Soviet political leadership would feel compelled to counter, even though it would, as stated before, bankrupt the entire USSR.

I don't know why you're having such a problem with this idea.
 
2012-09-06 05:25:04 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: tnpir: skullkrusher: exactly. Mathews can be irritating but he isn't downright irksome like LOD is. Last time I watched his show it was pretty much entirely about how he donated school supplies to kids in Africa. Yummy, nutritious school supplies.

This made me LOL for some reason.

And yes, listening to LOD speak is more painful than slamming your hand in a car door. Twice.

I think it's desks and they're built locally so employing some people over there so, whatever...

O'Donnell overreaches a lot but his snark hits the target about half the time so I leave it on after Maddow if there's nothing else on. He often seems to be trying(and failing) to start a feud with O'Reilly or Hannity or Rush.


Useless trivia: O'Donnell is dating Tamron Hall.
 
2012-09-06 05:29:01 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Ricardo Klement: *facepalm*

That's my point - she's wrong when she says the Soviets were scared of SDI.

No, they were scared. Not of the SDI's potential as a weapon, but, rather, what SDI represented as a fiscal / political / military policy in regards to the United States' ability to throw away money in what was, for all intents and purposes, a giant PR campaign that the Soviet political leadership would feel compelled to counter, even though it would, as stated before, bankrupt the entire USSR.

I don't know why you're having such a problem with this idea.


That's not what she said in her book. Page 95, for your reference:

"With Star Wars defense in place, the Soviets feared our nukes would hit Russia first, but then any retaliatory missiles from them would be shot out of the sky before they even entered American airspace."

QED
 
2012-09-06 05:37:47 PM

Ricardo Klement: That's not what she said in her book. Page 95, for your reference:

"With Star Wars defense in place, the Soviets feared our nukes would hit Russia first, but then any retaliatory missiles from them would be shot out of the sky before they even entered American airspace."

QED


And then later realized that it wasn't going to work.

Seriously, you are very worked up about this and really, really want her to be wrong so that your "annoyance" can be justified.

Give up already.
 
2012-09-06 05:55:25 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: Ricardo Klement: That's not what she said in her book. Page 95, for your reference:

"With Star Wars defense in place, the Soviets feared our nukes would hit Russia first, but then any retaliatory missiles from them would be shot out of the sky before they even entered American airspace."

QED

And then later realized that it wasn't going to work.

Seriously, you are very worked up about this and really, really want her to be wrong so that your "annoyance" can be justified.

Give up already.


Uh, huh. I just quoted her to you and you STILL want to believe that it's not what she said.

And note I didn't say many of her facts were wrong. It was her analysis. She was largely spot-on about Grenada, although she ascribed some things to secrecy that should have been ascribed to hubris. I'm not trying to hate Maddow, but your defense of her is not well-founded.
 
2012-09-06 08:21:13 PM

Mrtraveler01: Chimperror2: MSNBC's Griffin about CNN Comment:" My problem with that is it doesn't give credit to what we've done," Griffin said. "That's painting in big, fat, ugly strokes and it's just not right."

Rachel Maddow is going to be pissed when she hears that.

I don't get it.


You sound fat so of course you wouldn't.
 
2012-09-07 02:43:15 AM

Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air. (I just finished Maddow's awful book "Drift". It was disappointingly poor analysis - I had expected more from her, despite knowing she was a liberal. But it was almost as painful as an Ann Coulter book.


How dare you say this. There is no proof of this, and you should be ashamed. Ugh.
 
2012-09-07 06:17:45 AM

francisright: Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air. (I just finished Maddow's awful book "Drift". It was disappointingly poor analysis - I had expected more from her, despite knowing she was a liberal. But it was almost as painful as an Ann Coulter book.

How dare you say this. There is no proof of this, and you should be ashamed. Ugh.


I dare say it because it is true, as demonstrated in other comments on this subject in this thread.
 
2012-09-07 06:20:34 AM

WTF Indeed: That's because MSNBC is the mouthpiece of the Democratic party while CNN is the mouthpiece of Twitter comments.

justtray: Fox News - Proactive
MSNBC - Reactive

There's a difference. Not that I'd ever watch any cable news, ever, but they aren't quite the same.


out of curiosity, if youd never watch any cable news, ever, how do you have an informed opinion on the coverage of said networks?
 
2012-09-08 08:43:02 AM

Ricardo Klement: francisright: Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air. (I just finished Maddow's awful book "Drift". It was disappointingly poor analysis - I had expected more from her, despite knowing she was a liberal. But it was almost as painful as an Ann Coulter book.

How dare you say this. There is no proof of this, and you should be ashamed. Ugh.

I dare say it because it is true, as demonstrated in other comments on this subject in this thread.


You've failed to demonstrate anything.
 
2012-09-08 09:12:42 AM

Alphax: Ricardo Klement: francisright: Ricardo Klement: MSNBC is clearly liberal. Token conservatives don't change that. This isn't a qualitative assessment of their coverage, just ad objective observation. Their flagship programs are hosted by people who aren't just a little liberal. In fact, they moderate their message when on-air. (I just finished Maddow's awful book "Drift". It was disappointingly poor analysis - I had expected more from her, despite knowing she was a liberal. But it was almost as painful as an Ann Coulter book.

How dare you say this. There is no proof of this, and you should be ashamed. Ugh.

I dare say it because it is true, as demonstrated in other comments on this subject in this thread.

You've failed to demonstrate anything.


Bare Assertion is not a logically sound rhetorical technique. Feel free to actually make an argument and then we can have a discussion. Otherwise, this is mere contradiction, amusing enough in farce but tiresome and unimaginative in reality.
 
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