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(Washington Post)   Just how much of that speech did Clinton make up on the spot? Prepared remarks: 3,136 words. Remarks as delivered: 5,895 words   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 120
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2012-09-06 04:39:24 PM

Fall in Light: Here's the text of the speech with what he ad-libbed in blue and what he got rid of in pink. Really interesting read.


Wow, that must have been stressful as hell for the teleprompter operator...
 
2012-09-06 04:39:47 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Fall in Light: Here's the text of the speech with what he ad-libbed in blue and what he got rid of in pink. Really interesting read.

That should be of interest to anyone in this thread. Thanks.


Of course! I was trying to think of a witty headline so I could submit it, but I fail at the funny.
 
2012-09-06 04:40:13 PM
Man, I would hate to be whoever was in charge of the telepromter. Trying to figure out when to start it and stop to keep up with all the on-the-fly deviations. Whoever that mystery AV nerd was, I applaud him/her.
 
2012-09-06 04:41:44 PM

Rwa2play: DamnYankees: Voiceofreason01: Clinton is probably the best and most charismatic speaker we've had as president since JFK. The man's just plain good at it.

Obama is better. Their styles are very different, but I look forward to Obama's speeches more than Clinton's. As Matt Yglesias tweeted last night, Clinton is good, but keep in mind that Barack Obama is so good at formal political speeches that he won nomination on otherwise thin resume.

Apples and oranges. They're both incredibly great speakers but do it in separate ways.


Obama and Clinton have complementary strengths. Clinton makes a stronger emotional connection, and Obama is much more analytic.
 
2012-09-06 04:42:55 PM

DamnYankees: Voiceofreason01: Clinton is probably the best and most charismatic speaker we've had as president since JFK. The man's just plain good at it.

Obama is better. Their styles are very different, but I look forward to Obama's speeches more than Clinton's. As Matt Yglesias tweeted last night, Clinton is good, but keep in mind that Barack Obama is so good at formal political speeches that he won nomination on otherwise thin resume.


Keep in mind that Clinton won the presidency against a relatively popular Republican who just finished a quick and successful war in Iraq.

Obama has better flourishes in his speech, he's more inspirational. But Clinton's the better story-teller, a better policy wonk, and speaks with a stronger conviction. They both ad-lib well, but Clinton, as evident last night, can make it seem much more rehearsed and scripted. With Obama, you can see his mind's still formulating thoughts as he says them so he has more pauses in his sentences, but with Clinton, it's like chess to him - he already planned several moves out.

CSB time: My cousin and I got to meet with Clinton once for a chat, and god bless her but she tends to ask pretty dumb questions and this occasion was no exception, but Clinton played it cooly and wow'd us with insights that we hadn't thought about. The chat went on for a good ten minutes - he absolutely wanted to make sure we get everything what he was saying.
 
2012-09-06 04:42:56 PM
It was like Dad visited your dorm room and told you what the real world was like.
 
2012-09-06 04:43:30 PM

Serious Black: Clinton makes a stronger emotional connection, and Obama is much more analytic.


I would say its the exact opposite. Clinton is much better at making policy arguments in his speeches, while Obama's more soaring rhetoric is far more emotional.
 
2012-09-06 04:45:45 PM
Clinton is a very skilled orator. Just ask Monica. She used to gush about it.
 
2012-09-06 04:47:16 PM

Fall in Light: Here's the text of the speech with what he ad-libbed in blue and what he got rid of in pink. Really interesting read.


Nice. THAT should have been a green light, not the ten or so hit pieces.
 
2012-09-06 04:47:17 PM

DamnYankees: Serious Black: Clinton makes a stronger emotional connection, and Obama is much more analytic.

I would say its the exact opposite. Clinton is much better at making policy arguments in his speeches, while Obama's more soaring rhetoric is far more emotional.


Funny how we can come to different conclusions. Regardless, I think we both agree that they are great public speakers whose weaknesses are as strong or stronger than many other speakers' strengths.
 
2012-09-06 04:50:43 PM

mahuika: I'd argue that Reagan needs to join Clinton, Obama, and JFK in the "damn good speakers" arena, even though I'm not a fan of his policies or legacy.


Ditto. I'm no fan of him either, and hate how false much of his legacy is, but his 1980 acceptance speech was on CSPAN the other night and it was brutally good. He absolutely eviscerated poor little Jimmy Carter on all fronts. Whether his speeches were rooted in reality didn't matter, he was a very effective speaker and so it didn't surprise me that he won EVERY SINGLE STATE in 1984, except for Minnesota.
 
2012-09-06 04:51:10 PM

The Banana Thug:

CSB time: My cousin and I got to meet with Clinton once for a chat, and god bless her but she tends to ask pretty dumb questions and this occasion was no exception, but Clinton played it cooly and wow'd us with insights that we hadn't thought about. The chat went on for a good ten minutes - he absolutely wanted to make sure we get everything what he was saying.



Your cousin is female. No question is too dumb for the man with pussy on the mind.
 
2012-09-06 04:53:12 PM

DamnYankees: Aarontology: DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.

He probably had his speech written out, but when he delivered it he added a lot on the spot.

Ya, but that's like 25 minutes of ad libbing. And it flowed and made sense. That's ridiculous.


I think what it clearly demonstrated is he absolutely believes and feels strongly about every word he says. What's more, I think it has always been very clear Bill Clinton loves this country. Maybe people disagree with his policies or him farkin around with an intern but you sure as fark can't question his love for this country. That's a hell of a lot more than I can say about the GOP.
 
2012-09-06 04:53:31 PM
And this is why the dude crushes ass.
 
2012-09-06 04:54:08 PM

The Banana Thug: he was a very effective speaker and so it didn't surprise me that he won EVERY SINGLE STATE in 1984, except for Minnesota.


He may have been a good speaker, but that's not why he won in 1984. Ted Kennedy was also a great speaker.
 
2012-09-06 04:55:02 PM

lennavan: I think what it clearly demonstrated is he absolutely believes and feels strongly about every word he says.


Im not so sure about this. Like him or hate him, the one thing everyone should agree on about Clinton is that he is an AMAZING liar. I think he'd be able to give a speech at the GOP convention and be just as good.
 
2012-09-06 04:58:34 PM

Coco LaFemme: thomps: Coco LaFemme: I said in the gigantic mega thread last night that I had a raging girl boner for him, and it's totally true.

that sounds like an enlarged clitoris, were you really into steroids when you were 10?

Sounds like you're interested in the size of a 10 year old girl's clitoris. Hmm.


hmm, i need to spend some time re-evaluating my life.
 
2012-09-06 04:59:08 PM

DamnYankees: Voiceofreason01: Clinton is probably the best and most charismatic speaker we've had as president since JFK. The man's just plain good at it.

Obama is better. Their styles are very different, but I look forward to Obama's speeches more than Clinton's. As Matt Yglesias tweeted last night, Clinton is good, but keep in mind that Barack Obama is so good at formal political speeches that he won nomination on otherwise thin resume.


This, plus there is still a lot of rivalry between the two. Clinton clearly hit it out of the park last night - add that to everything else and tonight's speech might be something very special.

I'm think something ala Lenny Bruce: chain smoking, wearing only a bathrobe, with plenty of profanity - that would be sweet.
 
2012-09-06 04:59:44 PM

lennavan: DamnYankees: Aarontology: DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.

He probably had his speech written out, but when he delivered it he added a lot on the spot.

Ya, but that's like 25 minutes of ad libbing. And it flowed and made sense. That's ridiculous.

I think what it clearly demonstrated is he absolutely believes and feels strongly about every word he says. What's more, I think it has always been very clear Bill Clinton loves this country. Maybe people disagree with his policies or him farkin around with an intern but you sure as fark can't question his love for this country. That's a hell of a lot more than I can say about the GOP.


I will frequently say things here that I would only say in public with my buttons were really being pressed, especially comments or leading questions like "you don't love America." I had a bit of an epiphany last night after one of my FB friends posted his 14th comment on Bill Clinton's speech (yes, 14). I'm starting to think that stuff about even Tea Party supporters that I know personally. Not just that they love what they believe America is, but that they really don't love America at all. That was a real depressing thought.
 
2012-09-06 05:06:55 PM
One thing about Clinton's speech is he laid out all the flaws of the GOP already and presented several accomplishments of Obama. So tonight Obama doesn't have to get into any of that, and can talk purely on an up note and about what he wants to do. Clinton's speech removed any need for any negative comments or tone in Obama's speech, which when you think of it is just brilliant strategy.
 
2012-09-06 05:07:43 PM
This is why I hate presidential "debates" in the modern form. They aren't debates- they're scripted talking points to previously vetted questions.

I don't want to see that- I want to see the candidates asked tough, factual questions and then be forced to ad-lib their responses for 10+ minutes. If you can't do that, you're simply not smart enough to be president.

Clinton is a master at this, because he understands the material, he believes it and he can communicate it. Obama is damn good at it as well- witness the utter flaming destruction of the House Republicans when they were stupid enough to tangle with him. The teleprompter jokes continue because they simply can't deal with the fact he can own them face to face at will. Reagan was weaker at the understanding part, but the latter two were there in spades.

The sad part is I can't think of a recent Republican who can do that. The ones with charisma (Palin) are too stupid for words, the ones who believe it are boring as sin (Romney, Ryan) and the ones who can do it all switched parties a while ago.
 
2012-09-06 05:09:05 PM

DamnYankees: lennavan: I think what it clearly demonstrated is he absolutely believes and feels strongly about every word he says.

Im not so sure about this. Like him or hate him, the one thing everyone should agree on about Clinton is that he is an AMAZING liar. I think he'd be able to give a speech at the GOP convention and be just as good.


Yeah I don't think so. Have you seen some of the recent interviews with people asking how his relationship with Obama is? He clearly chose his words very carefully there. If you read between the lines at his word choice and what he didn't say, it's not exactly a glowing lovey-dovey relationship.
 
2012-09-06 05:09:15 PM
I think Clinton is GREAT at taking complex ideas and putting them into clear, comprehensible form, with the common touch and massive charm. He can do POLICY in a way which seems like charming conversation.

Obama does well at speaking with grand, sweeping majesty. He speaks like a statesman and a visionary leader, pulling people in to great causes.

They gave Clinton the point by point rebuttal speech, based on the record. If Obama now focuses on fostering enthusiasm and introducing a general initiative or two... they both will have played to their strengths.
 
2012-09-06 05:10:41 PM
A speech that was longer than the one he had prepared? HE LIED TO US! IMPEACH HIM AGAIN!!

/History's GREATER Greatest Monster!
 
2012-09-06 05:12:45 PM

Glockenspiel Hero: This is why I hate presidential "debates" in the modern form. They aren't debates- they're scripted talking points to previously vetted questions.

I don't want to see that- I want to see the candidates asked tough, factual questions and then be forced to ad-lib their responses for 10+ minutes. If you can't do that, you're simply not smart enough to be president.

Clinton is a master at this, because he understands the material, he believes it and he can communicate it. Obama is damn good at it as well- witness the utter flaming destruction of the House Republicans when they were stupid enough to tangle with him. The teleprompter jokes continue because they simply can't deal with the fact he can own them face to face at will. Reagan was weaker at the understanding part, but the latter two were there in spades.

The sad part is I can't think of a recent Republican who can do that. The ones with charisma (Palin) are too stupid for words, the ones who believe it are boring as sin (Romney, Ryan) and the ones who can do it all switched parties a while ago.


Mitt Romney can't ad-lib to save his life. If he could prepare for every possible question, he would do pretty well in a debate other than having the charisma of a dung beetle. But if he's faced with something for which he doesn't have a memorized script to use, he's completely screwed on all three counts.
 
2012-09-06 05:15:10 PM

Serious Black: lennavan: DamnYankees: Aarontology: DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.

He probably had his speech written out, but when he delivered it he added a lot on the spot.

Ya, but that's like 25 minutes of ad libbing. And it flowed and made sense. That's ridiculous.

I think what it clearly demonstrated is he absolutely believes and feels strongly about every word he says. What's more, I think it has always been very clear Bill Clinton loves this country. Maybe people disagree with his policies or him farkin around with an intern but you sure as fark can't question his love for this country. That's a hell of a lot more than I can say about the GOP.

I will frequently say things here that I would only say in public with my buttons were really being pressed, especially comments or leading questions like "you don't love America." I had a bit of an epiphany last night after one of my FB friends posted his 14th comment on Bill Clinton's speech (yes, 14). I'm starting to think that stuff about even Tea Party supporters that I know personally. Not just that they love what they believe America is, but that they really don't love America at all. That was a real depressing thought.



They don't. Seriously, they don't. What is America? America is not individuals, America is a country, a society. They don't give a fark about collectivism or the country. They care about themselves and that's it. It's a major part of their campaign "see that thing over there? I built that!" No you giant douchebags, we all built that together as a country.

Though in their defense, seeing people continue to go without necessary medical care because they can't afford it, or go hungry while the rich constantly get richer, if you were to ask me do I love the country as a whole, I don't.
 
2012-09-06 05:17:05 PM

Serious Black: Mitt Romney can't ad-lib to save his life. If he could prepare for every possible question, he would do pretty well in a debate other than having the charisma of a dung beetle. But if he's faced with something for which he doesn't have a memorized script to use, he's completely screwed on all three counts.


Luckily for Mitt, a recent port upgrade gives him the ability to download questions at 5.6Mbps.
 
2012-09-06 05:17:20 PM

lennavan: Serious Black: lennavan: DamnYankees: Aarontology: DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.

He probably had his speech written out, but when he delivered it he added a lot on the spot.

Ya, but that's like 25 minutes of ad libbing. And it flowed and made sense. That's ridiculous.

I think what it clearly demonstrated is he absolutely believes and feels strongly about every word he says. What's more, I think it has always been very clear Bill Clinton loves this country. Maybe people disagree with his policies or him farkin around with an intern but you sure as fark can't question his love for this country. That's a hell of a lot more than I can say about the GOP.

I will frequently say things here that I would only say in public with my buttons were really being pressed, especially comments or leading questions like "you don't love America." I had a bit of an epiphany last night after one of my FB friends posted his 14th comment on Bill Clinton's speech (yes, 14). I'm starting to think that stuff about even Tea Party supporters that I know personally. Not just that they love what they believe America is, but that they really don't love America at all. That was a real depressing thought.

They don't. Seriously, they don't. What is America? America is not individuals, America is a country, a society. They don't give a fark about collectivism or the country. They care about themselves and that's it. It's a major part of their campaign "see that thing over there? I built that!" No you giant douchebags, we all built that together as a country.

Though in their defense, seeing people continue to go without necessary medical care because they can't afford it, or go hungry while the rich constantly get richer, if you were to ask me do I love the country as a whole, I don't.


We've been down this road of screaming at people, accusing them of not 'loving' america. Let's not go back there.
 
2012-09-06 05:18:17 PM

Pocket Ninja: Using basic arithmetic skills, I am able to calculate computationally and derivate that Mr. Clinton "ad libbed," 53 percent of his speech. "Ad lib" is latin for "add lie," which means then that 53 percent of Mr. Clinton's speech was a lie. Since the legal definition of "fiction" is more than 50.5 percent lie, Mr. Clinton's speech must be classified as "fiction" and, in the future, only made available in that section of bookstores (online or brick/mortar). Furthermore, pursuant to various and sundry laws, since a candidate cannot be nominated on the merits of a fictional speech, Mr. Obama did not receive the Democratic nomination by midnight and therefore Mitt Romney is now the only legal candidate for president. Good job, Mr. Clinton, you ruined it.


Suck ad, libs!
 
2012-09-06 05:19:36 PM

Epoch_Zero: lennavan: Serious Black: lennavan: DamnYankees: Aarontology: DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.

He probably had his speech written out, but when he delivered it he added a lot on the spot.

Ya, but that's like 25 minutes of ad libbing. And it flowed and made sense. That's ridiculous.

I think what it clearly demonstrated is he absolutely believes and feels strongly about every word he says. What's more, I think it has always been very clear Bill Clinton loves this country. Maybe people disagree with his policies or him farkin around with an intern but you sure as fark can't question his love for this country. That's a hell of a lot more than I can say about the GOP.

I will frequently say things here that I would only say in public with my buttons were really being pressed, especially comments or leading questions like "you don't love America." I had a bit of an epiphany last night after one of my FB friends posted his 14th comment on Bill Clinton's speech (yes, 14). I'm starting to think that stuff about even Tea Party supporters that I know personally. Not just that they love what they believe America is, but that they really don't love America at all. That was a real depressing thought.

They don't. Seriously, they don't. What is America? America is not individuals, America is a country, a society. They don't give a fark about collectivism or the country. They care about themselves and that's it. It's a major part of their campaign "see that thing over there? I built that!" No you giant douchebags, we all built that together as a country.

Though in their defense, seeing people continue to go without necessary medical care because they can't afford it, or go hungry while the rich constantly get richer, if you were to ask me do I love the country as a whole, I don't.

We've been down this road of screaming at people, accusing them of not 'loving' america. Le ...


We've been down this road before, people replying to posts without having actually read them. Let's not go back there.
 
2012-09-06 05:19:51 PM

impaler: Serious Black: Mitt Romney can't ad-lib to save his life. If he could prepare for every possible question, he would do pretty well in a debate other than having the charisma of a dung beetle. But if he's faced with something for which he doesn't have a memorized script to use, he's completely screwed on all three counts.

Luckily for Mitt, a recent port upgrade gives him the ability to download questions at 5.6Mbps.


That may be, but seeing his reactions it seems he has quite a serious CRC issue.
 
2012-09-06 05:19:53 PM

WhyteRaven74: One thing about Clinton's speech is he laid out all the flaws of the GOP already and presented several accomplishments of Obama. So tonight Obama doesn't have to get into any of that, and can talk purely on an up note and about what he wants to do. Clinton's speech removed any need for any negative comments or tone in Obama's speech, which when you think of it is just brilliant strategy.


Clinton is a master Politician. He knows how to play the game better than damn near anyone.
 
2012-09-06 05:19:54 PM

The Banana Thug: mahuika: I'd argue that Reagan needs to join Clinton, Obama, and JFK in the "damn good speakers" arena, even though I'm not a fan of his policies or legacy.

Ditto. I'm no fan of him either, and hate how false much of his legacy is, but his 1980 acceptance speech was on CSPAN the other night and it was brutally good. He absolutely eviscerated poor little Jimmy Carter on all fronts. Whether his speeches were rooted in reality didn't matter, he was a very effective speaker and so it didn't surprise me that he won EVERY SINGLE STATE in 1984, except for Minnesota.


His State of the Union address after the Space Shuttle exploded ranks consistently in best speeches lists.
 
2012-09-06 05:20:50 PM

Coco LaFemme:

I said in the gigantic mega thread last night that I had a raging girl boner for him.


I refer to that as a wide-on.
 
2012-09-06 05:23:53 PM

lennavan: Epoch_Zero: lennavan: Serious Black: lennavan: DamnYankees: Aarontology: DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.

He probably had his speech written out, but when he delivered it he added a lot on the spot.

Ya, but that's like 25 minutes of ad libbing. And it flowed and made sense. That's ridiculous.

I think what it clearly demonstrated is he absolutely believes and feels strongly about every word he says. What's more, I think it has always been very clear Bill Clinton loves this country. Maybe people disagree with his policies or him farkin around with an intern but you sure as fark can't question his love for this country. That's a hell of a lot more than I can say about the GOP.

I will frequently say things here that I would only say in public with my buttons were really being pressed, especially comments or leading questions like "you don't love America." I had a bit of an epiphany last night after one of my FB friends posted his 14th comment on Bill Clinton's speech (yes, 14). I'm starting to think that stuff about even Tea Party supporters that I know personally. Not just that they love what they believe America is, but that they really don't love America at all. That was a real depressing thought.

They don't. Seriously, they don't. What is America? America is not individuals, America is a country, a society. They don't give a fark about collectivism or the country. They care about themselves and that's it. It's a major part of their campaign "see that thing over there? I built that!" No you giant douchebags, we all built that together as a country.

Though in their defense, seeing people continue to go without necessary medical care because they can't afford it, or go hungry while the rich constantly get richer, if you were to ask me do I love the country as a whole, I don't.

We've been down this road of screaming at people, accusing them of not 'loving' ...


I read it. I'll even read it again! See? BAM- READ!

My point is, unless you find someone actively subverting justice leading to a detriment or selling secrets to enemies, there's really no use to badgering people with the "OMG, WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?" bullcrap. Case in point, the whole mess that led to everyone wearing a flag pin now. No flag pin - OMG COMMUNIST TERRORIST. It's useless.
 
2012-09-06 05:24:46 PM

Epoch_Zero: lennavan: Serious Black: lennavan: DamnYankees: Aarontology: DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.

He probably had his speech written out, but when he delivered it he added a lot on the spot.

Ya, but that's like 25 minutes of ad libbing. And it flowed and made sense. That's ridiculous.

I think what it clearly demonstrated is he absolutely believes and feels strongly about every word he says. What's more, I think it has always been very clear Bill Clinton loves this country. Maybe people disagree with his policies or him farkin around with an intern but you sure as fark can't question his love for this country. That's a hell of a lot more than I can say about the GOP.

I will frequently say things here that I would only say in public with my buttons were really being pressed, especially comments or leading questions like "you don't love America." I had a bit of an epiphany last night after one of my FB friends posted his 14th comment on Bill Clinton's speech (yes, 14). I'm starting to think that stuff about even Tea Party supporters that I know personally. Not just that they love what they believe America is, but that they really don't love America at all. That was a real depressing thought.

They don't. Seriously, they don't. What is America? America is not individuals, America is a country, a society. They don't give a fark about collectivism or the country. They care about themselves and that's it. It's a major part of their campaign "see that thing over there? I built that!" No you giant douchebags, we all built that together as a country.

Though in their defense, seeing people continue to go without necessary medical care because they can't afford it, or go hungry while the rich constantly get richer, if you were to ask me do I love the country as a whole, I don't.

We've been down this road of screaming at people, accusing them of not 'loving' america. Let's not go back there.


That's exactly my point. To me, the climate in this country is noxious and getting more suffocating as the election draws closer. I don't want to think that my brothers and sisters that I disagree with are anti-American, but that thought is burrowing into my brain. I've had to disengage with those people because I know I'm on the verge of repeatedly lobbing rhetorical napalm at them and permanently burning the bridge down.
 
2012-09-06 05:30:56 PM

Epoch_Zero: My point is, unless you find someone actively subverting justice leading to a detriment or selling secrets to enemies, there's really no use to badgering people


Who exactly am I badgering? I'm having an internet conversation with a guy who is either an African American with no sense of humor, or a fictional wizard. Hell he and I even agree.

Epoch_Zero: with the "OMG, WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA?" bullcrap. Case in point, the whole mess that led to everyone wearing a flag pin now. No flag pin - OMG COMMUNIST TERRORIST. It's useless.


I thought you read my post three times now. Had you read my post three times, there is no way you could reasonably suggest we are talking about "why do you HATE America." We are talking about how some people do not love America.

He seems like a nice guy but I don't love Serious Black. Does that mean I hate him?
 
2012-09-06 05:34:53 PM

DamnYankees: Ya, but that's like 25 minutes of ad libbing. And it flowed and made sense. That's ridiculous.


Man talk good. Devil magic!
 
2012-09-06 05:42:43 PM
Is it too unrealistic to ask for BIll to run in 2016? I mean seriously. He keeps himself in the public eye enough that it wouldnt be too hard to regain the popularity he had has president (hell, he probably won some people over just with this speech). He clearly knows his stuff. And while there will be the usual derp from the right, by this point, the folks that think a bj given by a woman that wasnt his wife is more important than the being only president to have surpluses (lets face it, they don't care about the technically lying about it; that just was used for impeachment), well by that point they are going to vote party line GOP anyway, not like he has a shot with them anyway

Hell, if you want, package him with his wife. Possibly the greatest domestic president ever with the vice president as one of the better if not one of the best Secretary of States the US has had? Unbeatable by anyone who judges using facts

/I like Castro as well, but would prefer him to wait for 2020. Its a bit of a jump to go from San Antonio mayor to president, so some grooming time would help
//plus by then, I believe its pretty possible that Texas could go Democrat (at least for the president) and having him as the nominee would be the icing on the cake
///no, seriously within the next decade, Texas will go democrat for the first time pretty much since the Southern Strategy
 
2012-09-06 05:43:55 PM

Solid Muldoon: Clinton is a very skilled orator. Just ask Monica. She used to gush about it.


Umm, I'm pretty sure President Clinton was the one who was gushing.


\eww.
 
2012-09-06 05:44:24 PM

ATRDCI: Is it too unrealistic to ask for BIll to run in 2016?


Not sure if serious
 
2012-09-06 05:45:27 PM

lennavan: He seems like a nice guy but I don't love Serious Black. Does that mean I hate him?


I'm off to go down a gallon of ice cream and bawl my eyes out to The Notebook.
 
2012-09-06 05:49:28 PM

BSABSVR: ATRDCI: Is it too unrealistic to ask for BIll to run in 2016?

Not sure if serious


i.chzbgr.com

God*mmit, for some reason I had it in my head he only had one term

Now I look like a god*mn idiot.

Please ignore that portion of my post

Ill go sit in corner now

/Castro and Texas stuff still applies
 
2012-09-06 05:55:15 PM

impaler: That can't be real. Can it? Damn you Poe!!!




it's real.
 
2012-09-06 05:58:08 PM

lennavan:
I thought you read my post three times now. Had you read my post three times, there is no way you could reasonably suggest we are talking about "why do you HATE America." We are talking about how some people do not love America.
He seems like a nice guy but I don't love Serious Black. Does that mean I hate him?


You have to take a side! OMG, how can you talk about politics without taking a side and then advocating for the most extreme positions it has? This is no place for gray matter, you have to pick one team or the other---Black or white! shiat or get off the pot!
 
2012-09-06 06:03:12 PM

ATRDCI: Now I look like a god*mn idiot.


Hey, at least you didn't ask for FDR.
 
2012-09-06 06:06:39 PM

Solid Muldoon: Clinton is a very skilled orator. Just ask Monica. She used to gush about it.


Gee, I thought it was the other way around....
 
2012-09-06 06:23:53 PM

Serious Black: Glockenspiel Hero: This is why I hate presidential "debates" in the modern form. They aren't debates- they're scripted talking points to previously vetted questions.

I don't want to see that- I want to see the candidates asked tough, factual questions and then be forced to ad-lib their responses for 10+ minutes. If you can't do that, you're simply not smart enough to be president.

Clinton is a master at this, because he understands the material, he believes it and he can communicate it. Obama is damn good at it as well- witness the utter flaming destruction of the House Republicans when they were stupid enough to tangle with him. The teleprompter jokes continue because they simply can't deal with the fact he can own them face to face at will. Reagan was weaker at the understanding part, but the latter two were there in spades.

The sad part is I can't think of a recent Republican who can do that. The ones with charisma (Palin) are too stupid for words, the ones who believe it are boring as sin (Romney, Ryan) and the ones who can do it all switched parties a while ago.

Mitt Romney can't ad-lib to save his life. If he could prepare for every possible question, he would do pretty well in a debate other than having the charisma of a dung beetle. But if he's faced with something for which he doesn't have a memorized script to use, he's completely screwed on all three counts.


He would say that kind of question isn't appropriate, like his taxes or previous experience.
 
2012-09-06 06:26:16 PM
I was listening to someone talk about the differences in speech styles. Clinton speeches generally have a way if drawing you in closer to him, as if he is speaking to you personally. It has been said that he somehow " makes the room more intimate and smaller" no matter how big the room/stadium is. At the end, Clinton always makes you feel he came over and put his arm around your shoulder.

Obama speeches are more fiery, call-to-action, rally round the troops, kind of affairs, less personally affecting than Clinton, but at the end, you are charged up to " do something" for the cause.

Both very effective when done well, but very different and an interesting contrast study.
 
2012-09-06 06:36:50 PM

mrshowrules: DamnYankees: mrshowrules: DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.

How is it possible for people like Isaac Asimov to write scientific reference books from memory?

Wait, Asimov did what now?

He wrote almost 500 books. I'm guess over 300 were non-fiction and many scientific. A guide to the bible, a guide to Shakespeare and a good to modern scientists for instance. In many cases they are almost like text books and are used as reference material by academics. The books are known for how well they explain things but also their accuracy. The popular claim by many including Asimov himself is that he writes the books from memory of all the things he has already read. Clinton, like Asimov, is said to have a true photographic memory. I'm not sure if this is 100% true but no one would argue that their memory is farking incredible.


"Moonwalking with Einstein" is a fun, but slightly fluffy, read on the subject of memory.
 
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