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(Washington Post)   Just how much of that speech did Clinton make up on the spot? Prepared remarks: 3,136 words. Remarks as delivered: 5,895 words   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 120
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2012-09-06 10:37:58 AM
I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.
 
2012-09-06 10:41:51 AM

DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.


He probably had his speech written out, but when he delivered it he added a lot on the spot.
 
2012-09-06 10:43:59 AM

Aarontology: DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.

He probably had his speech written out, but when he delivered it he added a lot on the spot.


Ya, but that's like 25 minutes of ad libbing. And it flowed and made sense. That's ridiculous.
 
2012-09-06 10:46:40 AM

DamnYankees: Aarontology: DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.

He probably had his speech written out, but when he delivered it he added a lot on the spot.

Ya, but that's like 25 minutes of ad libbing. And it flowed and made sense. That's ridiculous.


Clinton is probably the best and most charismatic speaker we've had as president since JFK. The man's just plain good at it.
 
2012-09-06 10:49:39 AM

Voiceofreason01: Clinton is probably the best and most charismatic speaker we've had as president since JFK. The man's just plain good at it.


Obama is better. Their styles are very different, but I look forward to Obama's speeches more than Clinton's. As Matt Yglesias tweeted last night, Clinton is good, but keep in mind that Barack Obama is so good at formal political speeches that he won nomination on otherwise thin resume.
 
2012-09-06 10:49:41 AM

DamnYankees: Ya, but that's like 25 minutes of ad libbing. And it flowed and made sense. That's ridiculous.


Awhile ago, he forgot his notes on a speech about the CGI. He gave it anyway. He's just that good.
 
2012-09-06 10:50:54 AM

DamnYankees: Aarontology: DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.

He probably had his speech written out, but when he delivered it he added a lot on the spot.

Ya, but that's like 25 minutes of ad libbing. And it flowed and made sense. That's ridiculous.


We should only be electing people who can ad lib for 25+minutes and continue to make sense. It proves they think for themselves and aren't reciting from a play book.
 
2012-09-06 10:52:18 AM

DamnYankees: Voiceofreason01: Clinton is probably the best and most charismatic speaker we've had as president since JFK. The man's just plain good at it.

Obama is better. Their styles are very different, but I look forward to Obama's speeches more than Clinton's. As Matt Yglesias tweeted last night, Clinton is good, but keep in mind that Barack Obama is so good at formal political speeches that he won nomination on otherwise thin resume.


Yes I love Obamas speeches! I'm a serious fanboy and I'll be making popcorn tonight for this one. (im really serious).

Also I wonder why the Republicans didn't bring out either of their X Presidents.. We can see what a positive impact having an X-President at a national convention has.
 
2012-09-06 11:09:12 AM

DamnYankees: Obama is better. Their styles are very different,


They both have their strengths and weaknesses, and I think who speaks better depends on the topic and what the desired outcome is.

I'd argue that Reagan needs to join Clinton, Obama, and JFK in the "damn good speakers" arena, even though I'm not a fan of his policies or legacy.
 
2012-09-06 12:05:07 PM
Bill Clinton did his 1994 State of the Union without the help of a teleprompter after the wrong speech was loaded, so he pretty much went from memory.

That is, if my feeble memory is correct.
 
2012-09-06 12:23:38 PM

DamnYankees: As Matt Yglesias tweeted last night, Clinton is good, but keep in mind that Barack Obama is so good at formal political speeches that he won nomination on otherwise thin resume.


Not that I'm saying that's what's happened here, but this reminds me of something I've noticed recently. It's the practice of making a statement that is partially positive (Obama is so good) but includes and is partially based on a negative (thin resume). This allows you to get the negative accepted into the conversation without challenge.

Maybe it's an old tactic, but I've noticed it a lot in political discussions recently.
 
2012-09-06 12:40:20 PM

mahuika: DamnYankees: Obama is better. Their styles are very different,

They both have their strengths and weaknesses, and I think who speaks better depends on the topic and what the desired outcome is.

I'd argue that Reagan needs to join Clinton, Obama, and JFK in the "damn good speakers" arena, even though I'm not a fan of his policies or legacy.


Maybe. Although I must admit, Bush Sr also had his moments.
 
2012-09-06 01:03:04 PM

DamnYankees: Aarontology: DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.

He probably had his speech written out, but when he delivered it he added a lot on the spot.

Ya, but that's like 25 minutes of ad libbing. And it flowed and made sense. That's ridiculous.


There's a reason McCain's 2008 campaign manager was on MSNBC saying he wished the right had someone that could match his speaking ability.
 
2012-09-06 01:11:02 PM

DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.


So, Clinton and speak circles around me. But, I always ad lib in front of a crowd because it allows me to connect and tailor my message.

Basically, I have a mental list of points I need to make and examples to illustrate each point. I think of it as "teaching" the audience.
 
2012-09-06 01:11:21 PM
Using basic arithmetic skills, I am able to calculate computationally and derivate that Mr. Clinton "ad libbed," 53 percent of his speech. "Ad lib" is latin for "add lie," which means then that 53 percent of Mr. Clinton's speech was a lie. Since the legal definition of "fiction" is more than 50.5 percent lie, Mr. Clinton's speech must be classified as "fiction" and, in the future, only made available in that section of bookstores (online or brick/mortar). Furthermore, pursuant to various and sundry laws, since a candidate cannot be nominated on the merits of a fictional speech, Mr. Obama did not receive the Democratic nomination by midnight and therefore Mitt Romney is now the only legal candidate for president. Good job, Mr. Clinton, you ruined it.
 
2012-09-06 01:14:57 PM
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Holy shiat, dude. I don't remember the 1996 speech, but I don't see how that's even possible.
 
2012-09-06 01:15:16 PM
And he still stumped the fact-checkers.
 
2012-09-06 01:16:13 PM

Pocket Ninja: Using basic arithmetic skills, I am able to calculate computationally and derivate that Mr. Clinton "ad libbed," 53 percent of his speech. "Ad lib" is latin for "add lie," which means then that 53 percent of Mr. Clinton's speech was a lie. Since the legal definition of "fiction" is more than 50.5 percent lie, Mr. Clinton's speech must be classified as "fiction" and, in the future, only made available in that section of bookstores (online or brick/mortar). Furthermore, pursuant to various and sundry laws, since a candidate cannot be nominated on the merits of a fictional speech, Mr. Obama did not receive the Democratic nomination by midnight and therefore Mitt Romney is now the only legal candidate for president. Good job, Mr. Clinton, you ruined it.


*claps*
 
2012-09-06 01:22:14 PM

Bontesla: DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.

So, Clinton and speak circles around me. But, I always ad lib in front of a crowd because it allows me to connect and tailor my message.

Basically, I have a mental list of points I need to make and examples to illustrate each point. I think of it as "teaching" the audience.


The most people I've given a speech to would be around 3500 so nothing at like a giant stadium but once you've done over 100 people they're pretty much the same. On that 45 minute speech I had no teleprompter or presentation or anything, just me and a stage. Memorize the core points in the order you want to talk about them and then let your experience and expertise take over. Any upper level executive who talks to their employees would do this as well. In this case the product is politics and the competition is the Republicans. Teleprompters are tempting though because any "gaffe" in a political speech of this magnitude gets the attention of 100+ million people and stupid headlines to follow with the word Gaffe in them.
 
2012-09-06 01:29:34 PM
I saw a news story about this this morning. They played a clip of his speech, filmed from behind with the TelePrompTer in view. Clinton was speaking at length while the text on the screen didn't move.
 
2012-09-06 02:17:39 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: And he still stumped the fact-checkers.


not according to AP, who found that he lied about a blow job in 1998.
 
2012-09-06 02:47:31 PM
what would be the point of ad-libbing there? did he just suddenly remember a bunch of sh*t that he had forgotten to include in the text or was there a bunch of stuff that he couldn't get pre-approved by the convention handlers?
 
2012-09-06 02:57:21 PM
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"OK, fine. I'm not going to say much. Among things I admire, almost near the top is creativeness, and everyone in this group has it. It shows in your work, it shows in your thinking, and it shows in your speech, what you do, what you write, what you say. "And it's one reason this group is so terrific. Bill Clinton has none of it. He has not a creative bone in his body. Therefore, he's a bore, and will always be a bore."

"The next four years will be filled with pretty words, and pretty music, and a lot of goddamn nonsense!"
 
2012-09-06 02:57:21 PM

thomps: what would be the point of ad-libbing there? did he just suddenly remember a bunch of sh*t that he had forgotten to include in the text or was there a bunch of stuff that he couldn't get pre-approved by the convention handlers?


It's called jazz, man. Get hep.

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2012-09-06 03:08:58 PM

Aarontology: DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.

He probably had his speech written out, but when he delivered it he added a lot on the spot.


cameroncrazy1984: Awhile ago, he forgot his notes on a speech about the CGI. He gave it anyway. He's just that good.


Nina_Hartley's_Ass: And he still stumped the fact-checkers.


There has to be a "most interesting man in the world" photoshop in here somewhere.
 
2012-09-06 03:09:57 PM

thomps: what would be the point of ad-libbing there? did he just suddenly remember a bunch of sh*t that he had forgotten to include in the text or was there a bunch of stuff that he couldn't get pre-approved by the convention handlers?


Probably he wrote a speech to fit his allotted time, but decided at the last minute to make sure he talked about everything he wanted to mention, knowing nobody would stop him. Or, all the extra stuff was stuff he decided to add based on the speeches given right before his.

Or it was all planned to be a story in itself, since everyone knows Clinton can wing it like that.
 
2012-09-06 03:37:25 PM

thomps: what would be the point of ad-libbing there? did he just suddenly remember a bunch of sh*t that he had forgotten to include in the text or was there a bunch of stuff that he couldn't get pre-approved by the convention handlers?


My guess would be he had a set speech full of points he wanted to make, to strengthen the claim for Obama getting re-elected. Then the passion of what he was talking about took over, and he deviated from that set speech, going back and forth to cover everything he could possibly think to say.

Obama's a passionate, engaging public speaker, and so is Clinton. He could have stood up there another hour and kept right on going, and not only would no one try to play him off, the audience would be equally as enraptured at minute 100 as they were at minute 1. THAT is the mark of a great public speaker. If you can stand in front of 20,000 people and talk policy and numbers for nearly an hour, when it's past 11 p.m. and people want to go home, but they don't waver in their their rapt attention to every syllable that comes out of your mouth, you've got 'em. He could have started reading from Ulysses by James Joyce at that point, and people wouldn't have blinked.

I was 10 when Clinton was elected to his first term, so I wasn't old enough to vote for him, but I was starting to get into politics at that time, thanks to my dad, and I watched the convention that year and the convention in 1996 as well. At 10 and 14, ages when most kids could honestly give less than a rat's wet asshole about politics, I sat in front of the TV and listened to every word that came out of his mouth, even if I didn't have the firmest grasp on the policy issues he was talking about. That 1996 speech, which was a little over twice as long as the one he gave last night, was the only time I could remember prior to turning 16, that I was allowed to stay up that late on a school night.

I said in the gigantic mega thread last night that I had a raging girl boner for him, and it's totally true.
 
2012-09-06 03:40:18 PM

DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.


How is it possible for people like Isaac Asimov to write scientific reference books from memory?
 
2012-09-06 03:41:30 PM

Demetrius: Bill Clinton did his 1994 State of the Union without the help of a teleprompter after the wrong speech was loaded, so he pretty much went from memory.

That is, if my feeble memory is correct.


He could probably five you the basic points from that speech today.
 
2012-09-06 03:41:35 PM

Coco LaFemme: I said in the gigantic mega thread last night that I had a raging girl boner for him, and it's totally true.


that sounds like an enlarged clitoris, were you really into steroids when you were 10?

i was about 10 during the 1992 election also, but i was a perot kid, mostly because i thought dana carvey was funny at the time.
 
2012-09-06 03:42:44 PM

mrshowrules: DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.

How is it possible for people like Isaac Asimov to write scientific reference books from memory?


Wait, Asimov did what now?
 
2012-09-06 03:44:25 PM
I'll just leave this here.

farm5.static.flickr.com
 
2012-09-06 03:49:07 PM

mrshowrules: I'll just leave this here.

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+1
 
2012-09-06 03:50:48 PM

DamnYankees: mrshowrules: DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible. Maybe he wrote it all beforehand and just gave the media a fake version.

How is it possible for people like Isaac Asimov to write scientific reference books from memory?

Wait, Asimov did what now?


He wrote almost 500 books. I'm guess over 300 were non-fiction and many scientific. A guide to the bible, a guide to Shakespeare and a good to modern scientists for instance. In many cases they are almost like text books and are used as reference material by academics. The books are known for how well they explain things but also their accuracy. The popular claim by many including Asimov himself is that he writes the books from memory of all the things he has already read. Clinton, like Asimov, is said to have a true photographic memory. I'm not sure if this is 100% true but no one would argue that their memory is farking incredible.
 
2012-09-06 03:51:23 PM

thomps: Coco LaFemme: I said in the gigantic mega thread last night that I had a raging girl boner for him, and it's totally true.

that sounds like an enlarged clitoris, were you really into steroids when you were 10?


Sounds like you're interested in the size of a 10 year old girl's clitoris. Hmm.
 
2012-09-06 03:58:50 PM

mrshowrules: I'll just leave this here.

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don't forget this gem from her acceptance speech:

i41.tinypic.com
 
2012-09-06 04:03:25 PM

FlashHarry: mrshowrules: I'll just leave this here.

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don't forget this gem from her acceptance speech:

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That can't be real. Can it? Damn you Poe!!!
 
2012-09-06 04:23:45 PM
So where's the transcript of the real speech, and not the prepared remarks?
 
2012-09-06 04:24:30 PM

DamnYankees: I don't even understand how that's possible.


"The President's startlingly freakish that way."

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xynix: Also I wonder why the Republicans didn't bring out either of their X Presidents.


Because both of them are named "Bush"?
 
2012-09-06 04:25:04 PM
Clinton mentions of G.W. Bush = 3

Romney, Ryan mentions of G.W. Bush = 0
 
2012-09-06 04:27:40 PM
Here's the text of the speech with what he ad-libbed in blue and what he got rid of in pink. Really interesting read.
 
2012-09-06 04:27:55 PM
Nice stats and all but how many chair props did he use? Zero you say? That automatically makes Clint Eastwood's speech better.
 
2012-09-06 04:31:26 PM

Pocket Ninja: Using basic arithmetic skills, I am able to calculate computationally and derivate that Mr. Clinton "ad libbed," 53 percent of his speech. "Ad lib" is latin for "add lie," which means then that 53 percent of Mr. Clinton's speech was a lie. Since the legal definition of "fiction" is more than 50.5 percent lie, Mr. Clinton's speech must be classified as "fiction" and, in the future, only made available in that section of bookstores (online or brick/mortar). Furthermore, pursuant to various and sundry laws, since a candidate cannot be nominated on the merits of a fictional speech, Mr. Obama did not receive the Democratic nomination by midnight and therefore Mitt Romney is now the only legal candidate for president. Good job, Mr. Clinton, you ruined it.


Bra Vo
 
2012-09-06 04:31:33 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: And he still stumped the fact-checkers.


I heard someone last night mention that he has a photographic memory.
 
2012-09-06 04:33:40 PM

DamnYankees: Voiceofreason01: Clinton is probably the best and most charismatic speaker we've had as president since JFK. The man's just plain good at it.

Obama is better. Their styles are very different, but I look forward to Obama's speeches more than Clinton's. As Matt Yglesias tweeted last night, Clinton is good, but keep in mind that Barack Obama is so good at formal political speeches that he won nomination on otherwise thin resume.


Apples and oranges. They're both incredibly great speakers but do it in separate ways.
 
2012-09-06 04:35:55 PM
The man even results in a surplus of words.
 
2012-09-06 04:36:09 PM
Fall in Light: Here's the text of the speech with what he ad-libbed in blue and what he got rid of in pink. Really interesting read.

That should be of interest to anyone in this thread. Thanks.
 
2012-09-06 04:37:02 PM

Fall in Light: Here's the text of the speech with what he ad-libbed in blue and what he got rid of in pink. Really interesting read.


Thank you thank you thank you!!!!
 
2012-09-06 04:38:43 PM

Fall in Light: Here's the text of the speech with what he ad-libbed in blue and what he got rid of in pink. Really interesting read.


Thanks! I've been looking for that.
 
2012-09-06 04:38:49 PM

Rwa2play: DamnYankees: Voiceofreason01: Clinton is probably the best and most charismatic speaker we've had as president since JFK. The man's just plain good at it.

Obama is better. Their styles are very different, but I look forward to Obama's speeches more than Clinton's. As Matt Yglesias tweeted last night, Clinton is good, but keep in mind that Barack Obama is so good at formal political speeches that he won nomination on otherwise thin resume.

Apples and oranges. They're both incredibly great speakers but do it in separate ways.


I forget where I heard it last night, but they were arguing this point and said that "It's poetry verses prose. Clinton is prose - Obama is poetry."
 
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