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(Falkvinge)   You'll never guess which daily-consumed beverage was once banned for a few decades because it was considered a "gateway drug"   (falkvinge.net) divider line 82
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2012-09-06 08:42:18 AM
Is it coffee? I bet it's coffee. It's got to be coffee or the headline wouldn't look like it was trying to be so cagey.
 
2012-09-06 08:59:48 AM
Semen?
 
2012-09-06 09:01:16 AM
Blood of Christian babies?
 
2012-09-06 09:02:43 AM
Sounds like cannabis but can`t be. Yup, it`s coffee.
 
2012-09-06 09:06:03 AM
I quit smoking cigarettes. That was easy. Cigarettes are enjoyable, but they don't help you do anything. Coffee? I like coffee, but I need it. I need it so badly. Tea delivers the caffeine, but the coffee is what I crave, that gives me headaches when I don't have it regularly, and that makes my mouth taste like licking the inside of a fox's rectum.
 
2012-09-06 09:09:01 AM
I think I'm going to start a craft soda company called "Gateway Drug", just to see what happens.
 
2012-09-06 09:11:04 AM
I am gonna go with coca-cola. After all, it DID have cocaine in it!!!1!1!!! (no, it didn't, stupid urban legends)
 
2012-09-06 09:16:44 AM

Nurglitch: I quit smoking cigarettes. That was easy. Cigarettes are enjoyable, but they don't help you do anything. Coffee? I like coffee, but I need it. I need it so badly.


Luckily, coffee doesn't create that effect on everyone. I can take it or leave it. I generally have a cup every now and then, but don't have it in the house just in case.
Cigarettes, however, took me 26 years to quit and I have some friends who have smoked longer than me who still can't stop.
Coffee won't kill you near so certainly.
 
2012-09-06 09:17:59 AM

Nurglitch: I quit smoking cigarettes. That was easy. Cigarettes are enjoyable, but they don't help you do anything. Coffee? I like coffee, but I need it. I need it so badly. Tea delivers the caffeine, but the coffee is what I crave, that gives me headaches when I don't have it regularly, and that makes my mouth taste like licking the inside of a fox's rectum.


Tea has more caffeine per pound than coffee but the amount of tea in a cup compared to the amount in a cup of coffee means that a cup of coffee has more caffeine in it than a cup of tea. So tea delivers some caffeine but coffee really delivers the caffeine. Then there is espresso.

/caffeine
 
2012-09-06 09:20:26 AM

Tarl3k: I am gonna go with coca-cola. After all, it DID have cocaine in it!!!1!1!!! (no, it didn't, stupid urban legends)


Lol yes it did.
 
2012-09-06 09:20:27 AM
Oh good. A periodic article instead of a periodic sentence.
As if we couldn't guess it was coffee all along.

/Coffee alters the psyche? That's some powerful stupit.
 
2012-09-06 09:26:42 AM

Tarl3k: I am gonna go with coca-cola. After all, it DID have cocaine in it!!!1!1!!! (no, it didn't, stupid urban legends)


Snopes says it did. Where did you read it didn't?
 
2012-09-06 09:28:46 AM
Coffee... The cause of and solution to most of my problems involving being tired and needing to stay awake.
 
2012-09-06 09:29:11 AM
ska vi fika
 
2012-09-06 09:30:58 AM
Paging Mr. Harvey. Paging Mr. Paul Harvey. You have a call on the courtesy phone.
 
2012-09-06 09:31:55 AM
Is it crystal meth? It's got to be crystal meth, nothing else would make sense.
 
2012-09-06 09:32:47 AM

Kurmudgeon: Nurglitch: I quit smoking cigarettes. That was easy. Cigarettes are enjoyable, but they don't help you do anything. Coffee? I like coffee, but I need it. I need it so badly.

Luckily, coffee doesn't create that effect on everyone. I can take it or leave it. I generally have a cup every now and then, but don't have it in the house just in case.
Cigarettes, however, took me 26 years to quit and I have some friends who have smoked longer than me who still can't stop.
Coffee won't kill you near so certainly.


The trick to quitting smoking is to start a schedule, and then phase it out. This is possible because smoking doesn't help you accomplish things.

I know people who are still smoking after cancer, after thirty/forty years. The problem isn't that they can't quit, but that their lifestyle doesn't give them the opportunity to build in that regular schedule necessary for them adapt.

That's basically the issue in addiction, in that people rarely engage in addictive behaviour on a schedule. They do it essentially at random, meaning that there's a gap between engaging in the behaviour, and its negative consequences. A schedule helps the person both bridge that gap, so that they can get negative reinforcement from engaging in the behaviour as well as the positive reinforcement of immediate gratification from the behaviour, and quantifies use and impact on life and health.

Of course this works the other way too. A lack of schedule along with frequent use means that you're going to become addicted to something, and you're going to keep at it looking for that reward.
 
2012-09-06 09:33:43 AM
Tarl3k


I am gonna go with coca-cola. After all, it DID have cocaine in it!!!1!1!!! (no, it didn't, stupid urban legends)

Guess how we know you're an obama voter.
 
2012-09-06 09:35:19 AM
my wife would have gone on a killing spree.
 
2012-09-06 09:38:49 AM
Yea, victimless morality laws don't work for the most part.
 
2012-09-06 09:41:53 AM
Let's have Dave design our website. He's great with the Myspace.
 
2012-09-06 09:42:40 AM
I think this thread should switch to decaf...

/whoever thought it was a good idea to ban plants was probably on something.
 
2012-09-06 09:45:14 AM

way south: I think this thread should switch to decaf...

/whoever thought it was a good idea to ban plants was probably on something.


I wonder what they were on... maybe hot air?
 
2012-09-06 09:49:22 AM

Nurglitch: I quit smoking cigarettes. That was easy. Cigarettes are enjoyable, but they don't help you do anything. Coffee? I like coffee, but I need it. I need it so badly. Tea delivers the caffeine, but the coffee is what I crave, that gives me headaches when I don't have it regularly, and that makes my mouth taste like licking the inside of a fox's rectum.


How, exactly, did you acquire the experience to enable such a comparison?
 
2012-09-06 09:55:38 AM

Tarl3k: I am gonna go with coca-cola. After all, it DID have cocaine in it!!!1!1!!! (no, it didn't, stupid urban legends)


Maybe not cocaine, per se, but extract of coca leaves
 
2012-09-06 10:00:16 AM
It was betel nut. (new window)

Also, I'd like to point out, just for the sake of trolling some potheads, that marihuana gets you acutely farked up when you take it, but coffee, tea, cigarettes, cocaine, etc, typically don't. It's like you could almost classify some drugs in the "shiat that makes the clowns in the walls scream" category and some in the "as an afterthought with my toast and scrambled eggs in the morning" category. Unless they've been smoking it daily since you were 16, for a lot of people weed is in the former.
 
2012-09-06 10:02:42 AM
since you they were 16

(Guess who hasn't finished their mug of coffee yet...)
 
2012-09-06 10:05:59 AM
Next time you're in the breakroom at work, linger between the coffee pot and a coffee drinker needing another cup dose and watch how quickly their mood gets ugly.
 
2012-09-06 10:06:12 AM

ausfahrk: since you they were 16

(Guess who hasn't finished their mug of coffee yet...)


So marijuana gets you farked up, but coffee gets you unfarked up if that is your normal state?
 
2012-09-06 10:08:25 AM

ausfahrk: Also, I'd like to point out, just for the sake of trolling some potheads, that marihuana gets you acutely farked up when you take it, but coffee, tea, cigarettes, cocaine, etc, typically don't. It's like you could almost classify some drugs in the "shiat that makes the clowns in the walls scream" category and some in the "as an afterthought with my toast and scrambled eggs in the morning" category. Unless they've been smoking it daily since you were 16, for a lot of people weed is in the former.


Coke doesn't get you farked up but weed does? Trolling?

I don't smoke weed regularly, and never even tried it until I was in my 20's and I would never describe it as "getting farked up." Mild buzz at the most. Basically equivalent to alcohol.
 
2012-09-06 10:17:07 AM

ausfahrk: "shiat that makes the clowns in the walls scream" category and some in the "as an afterthought with my toast and scrambled eggs in the morning" ...weed is in the former.


Want to know how I know you're an ignorant, prohibitionist, moral zealot that has never smoked pot in their life?

/or just a troll
 
2012-09-06 10:19:49 AM

entropic_existence: ausfahrk: Also, I'd like to point out, just for the sake of trolling some potheads, that marihuana gets you acutely farked up when you take it, but coffee, tea, cigarettes, cocaine, etc, typically don't. It's like you could almost classify some drugs in the "shiat that makes the clowns in the walls scream" category and some in the "as an afterthought with my toast and scrambled eggs in the morning" category. Unless they've been smoking it daily since you were 16, for a lot of people weed is in the former.

Coke doesn't get you farked up but weed does? Trolling?

I don't smoke weed regularly, and never even tried it until I was in my 20's and I would never describe it as "getting farked up." Mild buzz at the most. Basically equivalent to alcohol.


Umm...alcohol can get you farked up as anything. Weed too, but it might take edibles to get there....mostly.
 
2012-09-06 10:19:54 AM
Is it Powerthirst

MENERGY!
 
2012-09-06 10:22:36 AM

entropic_existence: I don't smoke weed regularly, and never even tried it until I was in my 20's and I would never describe it as "getting farked up." Mild buzz at the most. Basically equivalent to alcohol.


Eh, I wouldn't go that far. Weed can definately get you farked up, but more in a stumbling around, starting ten different tasks and never finishing them because you forgot what you were doing way. Alcohol is still worse though, in that you can end up stumbling around in a raving, eratic emotional state and then have absolutely no recollection of it the next day. Also you can die. But hey, let's play more beer commercials during our sporting events, because Jazz music.
 
2012-09-06 10:29:39 AM
Well, sure, anything that might be consumed while listening to jazz is a gateway drug.
 
2012-09-06 10:34:05 AM

entropic_existence: I don't smoke weed regularly, and never even tried it until I was in my 20's and I would never describe it as "getting farked up." Mild buzz at the most. Basically equivalent to alcohol.


Just me, but I would consider alcohol as something that will get you farked up. IMHO, weed is comparable to alcohol in how it's used socially, minus the steep toxicity curve, plus some mild hallucenations and paranoia, depending on how much you take and how chronic your usage is.

Basically the difference I'm pointing out here is that if, for example, I started my morning off by smoking a gram of weed, drinking half a bottle of whiskey, taking a hit of acid, or shooting some heroin, I wouldn't make it in to work on time, and I wouldn't be able to function when I got there. On the other hand, if I drank some coffee, drank some tea, smoked a couple of cigarettes, or even did a line of coke, I'd be able to drive to work and make it through the day with no immedtiate ill effects. The message of this article is that the prohibition of weed is equivalent to this quaint prohibition of coffee in the 18th century, and that's not a totally valid comparison. Weed is in a different bucket from coffee. It's not as bad as a lot of the other things in that bucket (booze, heroin, etc.) but it's on the other side of the line.
 
2012-09-06 10:44:01 AM

jayhawk88: I think I'm going to start a craft soda company called "Gateway Drug", just to see what happens.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-06 10:44:11 AM

Wasilla Hillbilly: Umm...alcohol can get you farked up as anything. Weed too, but it might take edibles to get there....mostly.


Yeah I should have been clearer, I meant equivalent in a sort of consumption curve kind of way. You drink a lot you get progressively more farked up, same for weed. The post I was responding to seemed to be suggesting it was "melt the walls and make the clowns pop out to eat you" levels of farked up.
 
2012-09-06 10:57:33 AM
Coffee thread!

Dunkin Donuts has an awesome pumpkin latte right now. Go get one!
 
2012-09-06 11:12:23 AM
I read diligently, hanging on every word, eagerly anticipating the reveal. Just kidding, I got pissed with every passing sentence that didn't name the subject.

Oh, and this: Le Café
 
2012-09-06 11:23:19 AM

dready zim: Then there is espresso.


1) Thanks for spelling it espresso and not expresso.
2) A shot of espresso has half the amount of caffeine as a regular cup of coffee. 

That being said, the concentration is higher in an espresso. I once drank 4 espressos in a row. That was interesting.
 
2012-09-06 11:27:46 AM
So when will we read this article and the drug in question will be Marijuana? Another 200 years, maybe?
 
2012-09-06 11:28:06 AM
I'm a little surprised that it was the Swedes. They take their coffee seriously.
 
2012-09-06 11:49:54 AM

Dimensio: Nurglitch: I quit smoking cigarettes. That was easy. Cigarettes are enjoyable, but they don't help you do anything. Coffee? I like coffee, but I need it. I need it so badly. Tea delivers the caffeine, but the coffee is what I crave, that gives me headaches when I don't have it regularly, and that makes my mouth taste like licking the inside of a fox's rectum.

How, exactly, did you acquire the experience to enable such a comparison?


I just love coffee.
 
2012-09-06 11:50:18 AM

Nurglitch: I quit smoking cigarettes. That was easy. Cigarettes are enjoyable, but they don't help you do anything. Coffee? I like coffee, but I need it. I need it so badly. Tea delivers the caffeine, but the coffee is what I crave, that gives me headaches when I don't have it regularly, and that makes my mouth taste like licking the inside of a fox's rectum.


What I want to know, is how do you KNOW this?
 
2012-09-06 11:50:42 AM
 
2012-09-06 11:54:57 AM
somehow I knew it was going to be sweden, and I knew it was going to be coffee.

swedes are all such extremists. first, it's rape and pillage everything for sport. then it's hardcore puritanical christianity, then existential crisis experts... now it's epicurean atheistic pleasure dome utopia lovers.

oh yeah, and gevalia is being sold in stores now...
 
2012-09-06 11:56:04 AM
I don't think most people have a proper respect for how serious a drug caffeine is... It's an alkaloid. Other well known alkaloids: Nicotine, Morphine, Ephedrine... cocaine.
 
2012-09-06 12:02:39 PM
This plant, the drug, the plant in question.....
Stopped reading. Whats the farking plant already FFS?
 
2012-09-06 12:05:02 PM

ausfahrk: just for the sake of trolling some potheads


Wow, considering how many folks bit, I guess it's true...potheads are farking morons!
 
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