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(Politico)   The 15 best lines from Bill Clinton's speech last night. "Democracy does not have to be a bloodsport. It can be an honest enterprise." Looks like he hasn't spent a lot of time in the Politics tab though   (politico.com) divider line 166
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2012-09-06 08:19:54 AM
Whatever. All I could hear was "DEATH TO ALL REPUBLICANS" from his speech. He's a total wingnut.
 
2012-09-06 08:26:31 AM
Clinton passionately explains right and wrong and cites facts. Republicans point fingers and keep lying, or bring up interns and move goalposts.
 
2012-09-06 09:04:05 AM
Clinton farking killed last night. Even Fox News didn't have anything to say except "It was too long" and "it had too many facts that people can't understand". Romney is probably still holed up in his volcano lair crying.
 
2012-09-06 09:11:09 AM

Mugato: Clinton farking killed last night. Even Fox News didn't have anything to say except "It was too long" and "it had too many facts that people can't understand". Romney is probably still holed up in his volcano lair crying.


Too my facts that people can't understand? He seemed to dumb down complex economic policy pretty well to me. Jeezie Chreezie, if Americans couldn't understand what he was saying, we sure are a dumb lot.
 
2012-09-06 09:18:13 AM

Cythraul: Mugato: Clinton farking killed last night. Even Fox News didn't have anything to say except "It was too long" and "it had too many facts that people can't understand". Romney is probably still holed up in his volcano lair crying.

Too my facts that people can't understand? He seemed to dumb down complex economic policy pretty well to me. Jeezie Chreezie, if Americans couldn't understand what he was saying, we sure are a dumb lot.


Never underestimate how stupid people can be.
 
2012-09-06 09:21:41 AM

Cythraul: Mugato: Clinton farking killed last night. Even Fox News didn't have anything to say except "It was too long" and "it had too many facts that people can't understand". Romney is probably still holed up in his volcano lair crying.

Too my facts that people can't understand? He seemed to dumb down complex economic policy pretty well to me. Jeezie Chreezie, if Americans couldn't understand what he was saying, we sure are a dumb lot.


I'm just reporting back from what I heard Fox News say in the little that I heard. Given their usual audience, they probably have a point.
 
2012-09-06 09:23:16 AM
i love the wingnut spin is that it was too long and complicated for stupid americans to understand. talk about talking down to your audience.
 
2012-09-06 09:27:44 AM

Cythraul: Mugato: Clinton farking killed last night. Even Fox News didn't have anything to say except "It was too long" and "it had too many facts that people can't understand". Romney is probably still holed up in his volcano lair crying.

Too my facts that people can't understand? He seemed to dumb down complex economic policy pretty well to me. Jeezie Chreezie, if Americans couldn't understand what he was saying, we sure are a dumb lot.



Ding!

Here's Don to tell you what you've won...

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2012-09-06 09:29:16 AM
"Heck, he even appointed Hillary" didn't make the cut?
 
2012-09-06 09:29:48 AM
13. "Now people ask me all the time, how we go four surplus budgets in a row. What new ideas did we bring to Washington? I always give a one word answer: Arithmetic."

Easily the best line from the speech.

His speech really dispelled the notion that Clinton was going to Eastwood his appearance. They didn't need to release the Biden, they just loosed Clinton doing what he does best: connect with folks and show what a Centerist approach looks like, in living color.
 
2012-09-06 09:30:13 AM
Clinton gave a great speech, but I was struck by how he is aging. Didn't he have a quadruple bypass or something? It shows.
 
2012-09-06 09:33:38 AM

vernonFL: Clinton gave a great speech, but I was struck by how he is aging. Didn't he have a quadruple bypass or something? It shows.


He actually looks much better than he did prior to the bypass. Hillary is the one that really looks like hell lately.
 
2012-09-06 09:34:18 AM
Bill Clinton: Now people ask me all the time, how we go four surplus budgets in a row. What new ideas did we bring to Washington? I always give a one word answer: Arithmetic."

Ann Romney: Taxes. Low. Good.
 
2012-09-06 09:34:34 AM

vernonFL: Clinton gave a great speech, but I was struck by how he is aging. Didn't he have a quadruple bypass or something? It shows.


They removed an intact Big Mac from his aorta.
 
2012-09-06 09:35:06 AM
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2012-09-06 09:37:14 AM
I can't find it today in the transcripts because it was an ad libbed line, so here it is to the best of my recollection.

"I want to nominate a man, especially after last night, who had the good sense to marry Michelle Obama!"

Tell us Willy, what happened last night!

/giggity
 
2012-09-06 09:37:42 AM

Via Infinito: Cythraul: Mugato: Clinton farking killed last night. Even Fox News didn't have anything to say except "It was too long" and "it had too many facts that people can't understand". Romney is probably still holed up in his volcano lair crying.

Too my facts that people can't understand? He seemed to dumb down complex economic policy pretty well to me. Jeezie Chreezie, if Americans couldn't understand what he was saying, we sure are a dumb lot.

Never misunderestimate how stupid people can be.


FTFY
 
2012-09-06 09:37:51 AM
"I would recommend to my friend Paul [Begala] here, tonight when everybody leaves, lock the doors. You don't have to come back tomorrow. This convention is done. This will be the moment that probably re-elected Barack Obama. Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party once, it was going to far left, he came in, the new democrats took it to the center. He did it again tonight." - Alex Castellanos, GOP strategist
 
2012-09-06 09:39:36 AM

hubiestubert: 13. "Now people ask me all the time, how we go four surplus budgets in a row. What new ideas did we bring to Washington? I always give a one word answer: Arithmetic."

Easily the best line from the speech.

His speech really dispelled the notion that Clinton was going to Eastwood his appearance. They didn't need to release the Biden, they just loosed Clinton doing what he does best: connect with folks and show what a Centerist approach looks like, in living color.


Good one but I like the Ryan having brass line. That was a uppercut that is hard to recover from.
 
2012-09-06 09:40:21 AM

hubiestubert: His speech really dispelled the notion that Clinton was going to Eastwood his appearance. They didn't need to release the Biden, they just loosed Clinton doing what he does best: connect with folks and show what a Centerist approach looks like, in living color.


WTF was that all about, anyway?

Eastwood goes senile on stage, and the best comeback the right wing had was, "Well, maybe Clinton will do that too!"

No he won't. He's Bill farking Clinton.
 
2012-09-06 09:40:26 AM
fark.upi.com

"You smooth motherfarker" "I know"
 
2012-09-06 09:40:48 AM

Serious Black: "I would recommend to my friend Paul [Begala] here, tonight when everybody leaves, lock the doors. You don't have to come back tomorrow. This convention is done. This will be the moment that probably re-elected Barack Obama. Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party once, it was going to far left, he came in, the new democrats took it to the center. He did it again tonight." - Alex Castellanos, GOP strategist


I hope he has found a nice place to camp under the GOP bus he will be thrown under shortly.
 
2012-09-06 09:40:50 AM
"people ask me all the time, how we go four surplus budgets in a row. What new ideas did we bring to Washington? I always give a one word answer: Arithmetic."

Is it Ironic that the Greeks "invented" arithmetic 5000 years ago and now they are bankrupt? Just sayin'.
 
2012-09-06 09:41:28 AM

WhyteRaven74: [fark.upi.com image 301x301]

"You smooth motherfarker" "I know"


"I could kiss you." "Yeah most people say that."
 
2012-09-06 09:41:28 AM

Serious Black: "I would recommend to my friend Paul [Begala] here, tonight when everybody leaves, lock the doors. You don't have to come back tomorrow. This convention is done. This will be the moment that probably re-elected Barack Obama. Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party once, it was going to far left, he came in, the new democrats took it to the center. He did it again tonight." - Alex Castellanos, GOP strategist


This is an accurate assesment, IMHO. The Dhimmycraps are now occupying the left, center, and center right. All the GOP has left is the fringes.
 
2012-09-06 09:41:33 AM

mrshowrules: Via Infinito: Cythraul: Mugato: Clinton farking killed last night. Even Fox News didn't have anything to say except "It was too long" and "it had too many facts that people can't understand". Romney is probably still holed up in his volcano lair crying.

Too my facts that people can't understand? He seemed to dumb down complex economic policy pretty well to me. Jeezie Chreezie, if Americans couldn't understand what he was saying, we sure are a dumb lot.

Never misunderestimate how stupid people can be.

FTFY


"No one ever went broke overestimating human stupidity."

"Only two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity. And I'm not sure about the former."

// apologies if I screwed one/both up
// I don't have attributions
 
2012-09-06 09:42:09 AM
"So here's another jobs score: President Obama plus 4.5 million, congressional Republicans zero zee-roh."

FTFThem
 
2012-09-06 09:42:33 AM
fark.upi.com

Obama: "When are we going to have that three-way with Hillary?"
Clinton: "If and when I ever have sex with her again."
 
2012-09-06 09:42:44 AM

mrshowrules: Serious Black: "I would recommend to my friend Paul [Begala] here, tonight when everybody leaves, lock the doors. You don't have to come back tomorrow. This convention is done. This will be the moment that probably re-elected Barack Obama. Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party once, it was going to far left, he came in, the new democrats took it to the center. He did it again tonight." - Alex Castellanos, GOP strategist

I hope he has found a nice place to camp under the GOP bus he will be thrown under shortly.


He'll probably slide out from underneath the bus because the pavement will be lubricated with a torrent of neoconservative tears.
 
2012-09-06 09:42:50 AM

PonceAlyosha: "I could kiss you." "Yeah most people say that."


L O L
 
2012-09-06 09:44:42 AM

Mugato: Clinton farking killed last night. Even Fox News didn't have anything to say except "It was too long" and "it had too many facts that people can't understand". Romney is probably still holed up in his volcano lair crying.


Idiocracy was on TV recently and I caught a large chunk of it. Why do I get the feeling a lot of it was based on watching Fox News?
 
2012-09-06 09:45:31 AM
Barack Obama: "I will not release my Birth Certificate"

Bill Clinton: "All the women I have nailed...I have created numerous Birth Certificates"
 
2012-09-06 09:45:34 AM

WhyteRaven74: [fark.upi.com image 301x301]

"You smooth motherfarker" "I know"


Hah! Nice. :)
 
2012-09-06 09:45:55 AM
fark.upi.com

I'm so glad I decided to support same-sex couples getting married so I can divorce Michelle and marry you, Bill.
 
2012-09-06 09:45:56 AM
If it was truly a bloodsport, I think more people would actually pay attention to the candidates, their positions, and vote.

i1.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-09-06 09:46:19 AM

xria: Why do I get the feeling a lot of it was based on watching Fox News?


...because they had a segment specifically calling out Fox News?
 
2012-09-06 09:50:19 AM

PsyLord: If it was truly a bloodsport, I think more people would actually pay attention to the candidates, their positions, and vote.


I'm also fairly certain we wouldn't have a Senate where the average age is over 60.
 
2012-09-06 09:52:29 AM

vernonFL: "people ask me all the time, how we go four surplus budgets in a row. What new ideas did we bring to Washington? I always give a one word answer: Arithmetic."

Is it Ironic that the Greeks "invented" arithmetic 5000 years ago and now they are bankrupt? Just sayin'.


The first examples are from 20,000 years ago in Africa. Modern arithmetic came from India and Persia.

/Just sayin'
 
2012-09-06 09:52:44 AM

Dr Dreidel: PsyLord: If it was truly a bloodsport, I think more people would actually pay attention to the candidates, their positions, and vote.

I'm also fairly certain we wouldn't have a Senate where the average age is over 60.


That's a plus IMO. Also they would definitely welcome term limitations.
 
2012-09-06 09:53:27 AM

PsyLord: If it was truly a bloodsport, I think more people would actually pay attention to the candidates, their positions, and vote.

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I don't approve of his Commodus-killing policy, but I'm aching for those bread-and-circuses.
 
2012-09-06 09:53:47 AM
If he wants politics to be civil perhaps he should talk to the people in the audience first.

Particularly the lady who said she wanted to kill Mitt Romney.
 
2012-09-06 09:54:18 AM
ABC showed Rahm Emanuel's face while Clinton was speaking. I'm pretty sure Rahm was thinking, "Damn, that guy's good."
 
2012-09-06 09:55:29 AM

Cythraul: Whatever. All I could hear was "DEATH TO ALL REPUBLICANS" from his speech. He's a total wingnut.


www.jonhusby.com

You just nailed exactly what right-wing paranoia sounds like. Bravo.
 
2012-09-06 09:55:36 AM
Clinton did just fine. Much better than Eastwood. Now all the Republicans will project, project, project and tell us what a failure Clinton was.

"Clinton just rambled at an empty chair! He doesn't make any sense! He's a doddering old man who does nothing but stutter and lie!"

Deny reality some more, shiatbags.
 
2012-09-06 09:56:38 AM

Cythraul: Mugato: Clinton farking killed last night. Even Fox News didn't have anything to say except "It was too long" and "it had too many facts that people can't understand". Romney is probably still holed up in his volcano lair crying.

Too my facts that people can't understand? He seemed to dumb down complex economic policy pretty well to me. Jeezie Chreezie, if Americans couldn't understand what he was saying, we sure are a dumb lot.


Uh, where have you been the last 3 presidential election cycles?
 
2012-09-06 09:57:04 AM
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2012-09-06 09:57:11 AM
I'm looking for a full video. I thought I saw Obama give sort of a rope-a-dope to clinton as he walked out on to the stage after clinton's speech. it was a great piece of body language. did anybody else see that?
 
2012-09-06 09:57:38 AM

randomjsa: If he wants politics to be civil perhaps he should talk to the people in the audience first.


He gave a speech to them last night.
 
2012-09-06 09:58:23 AM

Serious Black: "I would recommend to my friend Paul [Begala] here, tonight when everybody leaves, lock the doors. You don't have to come back tomorrow. This convention is done. This will be the moment that probably re-elected Barack Obama. Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party once, it was going to far left, he came in, the new democrats took it to the center. He did it again tonight." - Alex Castellanos, GOP strategist


Sounds like a backhanded compliment to me.
 
2012-09-06 09:59:54 AM
Considering Clinton answered a bunch of tired-ass, moronic taking points in a similar manner a FARKer would, I'd say he DOES spend a lot of time in the politics tab.
 
2012-09-06 10:01:37 AM
"So here's another jobs score: President Obama plus 4.5 million, congressional Republicans zero."

Oh Snap!
 
2012-09-06 10:01:49 AM

randomjsa: If he wants politics to be civil perhaps he should talk to the people in the audience first.


static.ddmcdn.com

Your usual?
 
2012-09-06 10:02:56 AM
Best line of Clinton's speech? Macking it to Michelle Obama. He might as well have called her an ebony queen.

Which she is. First FLOTUS to give me a boner.
 
2012-09-06 10:03:01 AM

Cythraul: Mugato: Clinton farking killed last night. Even Fox News didn't have anything to say except "It was too long" and "it had too many facts that people can't understand". Romney is probably still holed up in his volcano lair crying.

Too my facts that people can't understand? He seemed to dumb down complex economic policy pretty well to me. Jeezie Chreezie, if Americans couldn't understand what he was saying, we sure are a dumb lot.


Not enough for Fox News viewers.....
 
2012-09-06 10:03:15 AM

PsyLord: Dr Dreidel: PsyLord: If it was truly a bloodsport, I think more people would actually pay attention to the candidates, their positions, and vote.

I'm also fairly certain we wouldn't have a Senate where the average age is over 60.

That's a plus IMO. Also they would definitely welcome term limitations.


It would also make President Camacho that much more likely. But I'm not so sure they'd want term limits. We'd see a lot more voluntary retirements, and not a few deaths-in-office (or resigned-due-to-injury/coma), but the egotists in office would DEFINITELY not be happy about not being able to defend their belts.

// oh yeah, instead of holding Congressional "seats", they'd be "belts"
 
2012-09-06 10:03:34 AM

randomjsa: If he wants politics to be civil perhaps he should talk to the people in the audience first.

Particularly the lady who said she wanted to kill Mitt Romney.


So, we are all worried about civility now? We'll get right on that once we receive a written apology from the RNC for all that birther nonsense. Man up buttercup, it's going to be a fun few months!
 
2012-09-06 10:04:25 AM

Zerochance: Considering Clinton answered a bunch of tired-ass, moronic taking points in a similar manner a FARKer would, I'd say he DOES spend a lot of time in the politics tab.


Yeah, we Farkers are a pretty sharp bunch. We take out the trash, and fast.
 
2012-09-06 10:04:32 AM

randomjsa: If he wants politics to be civil perhaps he should talk to the people in the audience first.

Particularly the lady who said she wanted to kill Mitt Romney.


YOU. GOT. NOTHIN'.
 
2012-09-06 10:04:33 AM

Citrate1007: Cythraul: Mugato: Clinton farking killed last night. Even Fox News didn't have anything to say except "It was too long" and "it had too many facts that people can't understand". Romney is probably still holed up in his volcano lair crying.

Too my facts that people can't understand? He seemed to dumb down complex economic policy pretty well to me. Jeezie Chreezie, if Americans couldn't understand what he was saying, we sure are a dumb lot.

Not enough for Fox News viewers.....


Heh, you think Clinton was aiming for Fox News viewers anyway? ;)
 
2012-09-06 10:04:54 AM

Zerochance: First FLOTUS to give me a boner.


FLOTUSILF

// stolen from someone else
// I like tall women
// IN A TOTALLY UNRELATED STORY - anyone notice that the older of the Obama girls is almost Michelle's height, ~5'10ish?
 
2012-09-06 10:05:00 AM

Alphax: Zerochance: Considering Clinton answered a bunch of tired-ass, moronic taking points in a similar manner a FARKer would, I'd say he DOES spend a lot of time in the politics tab.

Yeah, we Farkers are a pretty sharp bunch. We take out the trash, and fast.


If this were true, Corvus wouldn't be around.
 
2012-09-06 10:05:15 AM
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2012-09-06 10:05:46 AM

Serious Black: "I would recommend to my friend Paul [Begala] here, tonight when everybody leaves, lock the doors. You don't have to come back tomorrow. This convention is done. This will be the moment that probably re-elected Barack Obama. Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party once, it was going to far left, he came in, the new democrats took it to the center. He did it again tonight." - Alex Castellanos, GOP strategist


Democrats? Too far Left? EVER??!??!?!!?! Sorry, Alex. The Democrats started to move ever so slightly left of center, and Clinton caught them and moved them back to just right of center. And they've been drifting farther right ever since.

/anyone who thinks there was ever a Liberal bias in this country is too stupid to be allowed to vote.
 
2012-09-06 10:06:11 AM

Zerochance: Considering Clinton answered a bunch of tired-ass, moronic taking points in a similar manner a FARKer would, I'd say he DOES spend a lot of time in the politics tab.


I did hear Chris Hayes say "Don't feed the trolls" last night.

/my bet is that he's actually sprawl15
 
2012-09-06 10:06:15 AM

Alphax: Zerochance: Considering Clinton answered a bunch of tired-ass, moronic taking points in a similar manner a FARKer would, I'd say he DOES spend a lot of time in the politics tab.

Yeah, we Farkers are a pretty sharp bunch. We take out the trash, and fast.


This.
 
2012-09-06 10:06:59 AM

urbangirl: I'm looking for a full video. I thought I saw Obama give sort of a rope-a-dope to clinton as he walked out on to the stage after clinton's speech. it was a great piece of body language. did anybody else see that?


I..I think I saw this too.

Like two college buddies horse playing.
 
2012-09-06 10:08:05 AM
The problem for the Ds is the contrast between the past president & the incumbent. Clinton gave a speech showing why he ought to be the party's candidate; little was done to show why the current occupant of the White House should be the candidate.
 
2012-09-06 10:09:14 AM

feanorn: The problem for the Ds is the contrast between the past president & the incumbent. Clinton gave a speech showing why he ought to be the party's candidate; little was done to show why the current occupant of the White House should be the candidate.


Are you stupid? Serious question.
 
2012-09-06 10:10:13 AM
One thing Bill Clinton didn't talk about: Why hasn't anyone who took part in destroying the economy in 2008 gone to jail? Why hasn't anyone been punished? Because Obama is just as in the tank for the rich and wealthy as Mitt Romney.
 
2012-09-06 10:10:26 AM

feanorn: The problem for the Ds is the contrast between the past president & the incumbent. Clinton gave a speech showing why he ought to be the party's candidate; little was done to show why the current occupant of the White House should be the candidate.


Clearly you didn't watch the speech.
 
2012-09-06 10:10:59 AM

feanorn: The problem for the Ds is the contrast between the past president & the incumbent.


I'd say that's more of a problem for Romney, considering he's been successfully portrayed as a Bush rehash, and Bush wasn't even invited to the convention.

Clinton gave a speech showing why he ought to be the party's candidate; little was done to show why the current occupant of the White House should be the candidate.

This wasn't a Christie or Rubio speech.
 
2012-09-06 10:11:28 AM

randomjsa: If he wants politics to be civil perhaps he should talk to the people in the audience first.

Particularly the lady who said she wanted to kill Mitt Romney.


NO REPUBLICAN HAS EVER THREATENED THE LIFE OF A DEMOCRAT.

ALL DEMOCRAT LIBERALS ARE VIOLENT THUGS WHO OUGHT TO BE PUT DOWN.
 
2012-09-06 10:12:24 AM

feanorn: The problem for the Ds is the contrast between the past president & the incumbent. Clinton gave a speech showing why he ought to be the party's candidate; little was done to show why the current occupant of the White House should be the candidate.


The spin machine is strong with you.

Bill Clinton showed that Obama is on the right path, the GOP is obstructing progress, and that Obama's policies are better for the nation. That's why he should be president. And it's not Clinton's task to talk about the future, it's Obama's. You probably didn't hear it because of the buildup of bullsh*t in your brain.
 
2012-09-06 10:12:27 AM

urbangirl: I'm looking for a full video. I thought I saw Obama give sort of a rope-a-dope to clinton as he walked out on to the stage after clinton's speech. it was a great piece of body language. did anybody else see that?


What does 'rope a dope' mean in this context? I saw it and didn't notice anything unusual about his body language.
 
2012-09-06 10:12:39 AM

Epoch_Zero: Zerochance: Considering Clinton answered a bunch of tired-ass, moronic taking points in a similar manner a FARKer would, I'd say he DOES spend a lot of time in the politics tab.

I did hear Chris Hayes say "Don't feed the trolls" last night.

/my bet is that he's actually sprawl15


Please, I wouldn't name my after a children's movie that opens with an abortion and closes with an old man going homeless.
 
2012-09-06 10:12:48 AM
@sarahkliff:
Bill Clinton's prepared remarks: 3,136 words. Bill Clinton's remarks as delivered: 5,895 words (counting audience cheers).

President Clinton's speech was historical

/that boys good
 
2012-09-06 10:12:50 AM

vernonFL: Clinton gave a great speech, but I was struck by how he is aging. Didn't he have a quadruple bypass or something? It shows.


The Presidency ages you prematurely.

Obama had no grey in his hair before 2008. Now he's looking a lot like Nelson Mandela.
 
2012-09-06 10:12:55 AM

Rwa2play: Serious Black: "I would recommend to my friend Paul [Begala] here, tonight when everybody leaves, lock the doors. You don't have to come back tomorrow. This convention is done. This will be the moment that probably re-elected Barack Obama. Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party once, it was going to far left, he came in, the new democrats took it to the center. He did it again tonight." - Alex Castellanos, GOP strategist

Sounds like a backhanded compliment to me.


It could be, but it could also be him realizing that Romney is going to lose and setting the stage for Republicans to realize that it's a lost cause, just like four years ago was.

cubic_spleen: Democrats? Too far Left? EVER??!??!?!!?! Sorry, Alex. The Democrats started to move ever so slightly left of center, and Clinton caught them and moved them back to just right of center. And they've been drifting farther right ever since.

/anyone who thinks there was ever a Liberal bias in this country is too stupid to be allowed to vote.


Yeah, yeah, but the point is that the GOP needs an October surprise to even have a hope of winning at this point.
 
2012-09-06 10:14:41 AM

VRaptor117: One thing Bill Clinton didn't talk about: Why hasn't anyone who took part in destroying the economy in 2008 gone to jail? Why hasn't anyone been punished? Because Obama is just as in the tank for the rich and wealthy as Mitt Romney.


Which is why he's campaigning on raising their taxes, and why he created teh CPA, and signed a bill preventing taxpayer funded bailouts, and has openly come out against those with tax shelters - but yeah, he's totally in their pockets doing their dirty work, Reagan-style. You're so astute.
 
2012-09-06 10:18:57 AM

feanorn: The problem for the Ds is the contrast between the past president & the incumbent. Clinton gave a speech showing why he ought to be the party's candidate; little was done to show why the current occupant of the White House should be the candidate.


So Clinton didn't Eastwood the DNC, he Christied it?

I must have missed that part.
 
2012-09-06 10:19:01 AM

feanorn: The problem for the Ds is the contrast between the past president & the incumbent. Clinton gave a speech showing why he ought to be the party's candidate; little was done to show why the current occupant of the White House should be the candidate.


I'd reply in full force, but I sense that you're handicapped so I'll let this one go......
 
2012-09-06 10:19:05 AM

feanorn: The problem for the Ds is the contrast between the past president & the incumbent. Clinton gave a speech showing why he ought to be the party's candidate; little was done to show why the current occupant of the White House should be the candidate.


Wat? What speech did you watch?
 
2012-09-06 10:19:22 AM

Citrate1007: "So here's another jobs score: President Obama plus 4.5 million, congressional Republicans zero."

Oh Snap!


Zeeee-ro.

The way he said 'zero' made it a great bit.

Zeeee-ro.
 
2012-09-06 10:19:36 AM

Epoch_Zero: VRaptor117: One thing Bill Clinton didn't talk about: Why hasn't anyone who took part in destroying the economy in 2008 gone to jail? Why hasn't anyone been punished? Because Obama is just as in the tank for the rich and wealthy as Mitt Romney.

Which is why he's campaigning on raising their taxes, and why he created teh CPA, and signed a bill preventing taxpayer funded bailouts, and has openly come out against those with tax shelters - but yeah, he's totally in their pockets doing their dirty work, Reagan-style. You're so astute.


I would say he's made modest progress in going after the guys who inflated the bubble and created the credit crunch, but there's definitely more he could have done and should do in the future.
 
2012-09-06 10:20:02 AM

NateGrey: urbangirl: I'm looking for a full video. I thought I saw Obama give sort of a rope-a-dope to clinton as he walked out on to the stage after clinton's speech. it was a great piece of body language. did anybody else see that?

I..I think I saw this too.

Like two college buddies horse playing.


It kinda made my heart happy.

I was watching on PBS. (Because I'm a condescending elistist.) Checked their video but not close enough to see.
 
2012-09-06 10:20:30 AM

Via Infinito: Cythraul: Mugato: Clinton farking killed last night. Even Fox News didn't have anything to say except "It was too long" and "it had too many facts that people can't understand". Romney is probably still holed up in his volcano lair crying.

Too my facts that people can't understand? He seemed to dumb down complex economic policy pretty well to me. Jeezie Chreezie, if Americans couldn't understand what he was saying, we sure are a dumb lot.

Never underestimate how stupid people can be.


s18.postimage.org
 
2012-09-06 10:20:41 AM
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2012-09-06 10:21:09 AM

StopLurkListen: Citrate1007: "So here's another jobs score: President Obama plus 4.5 million, congressional Republicans zero."

Oh Snap!

Zeeee-ro.

The way he said 'zero' made it a great bit.

Zeeee-ro.


Clinton has the sort of audience participatory style you really don't see often in politics. The way he speaks invites you to finish his sentences as he does, which is a powerful way to argue.
 
2012-09-06 10:21:55 AM

StopLurkListen: Citrate1007: "So here's another jobs score: President Obama plus 4.5 million, congressional Republicans zero."

Oh Snap!

Zeeee-ro.

The way he said 'zero' made it a great bit.

Zeeee-ro.


users.content.ytmnd.com
 
2012-09-06 10:22:19 AM

PonceAlyosha: StopLurkListen: Citrate1007: "So here's another jobs score: President Obama plus 4.5 million, congressional Republicans zero."

Oh Snap!

Zeeee-ro.

The way he said 'zero' made it a great bit.

Zeeee-ro.

Clinton has the sort of audience participatory style you really don't see often in politics. The way he speaks invites you to finish his sentences as he does, which is a powerful way to argue.


Eh, it's a version of preacherman style.
 
2012-09-06 10:23:11 AM

andersoncouncil42: Modern arithmetic came from India and Persia.


You know what India and Persia contributed to arithmetic? Zero! That's what!


/and positional notation
 
2012-09-06 10:23:12 AM

VRaptor117: One thing Bill Clinton didn't talk about: Why hasn't anyone who took part in destroying the economy in 2008 gone to jail? Why hasn't anyone been punished? Because Obama is just as in the tank for the rich and wealthy as Mitt Romney.


Because the republicans have been successful in gutting regulation. So what those people did wasn't actually illegal. Immoral and borderline psychotic, but not illegal.
 
2012-09-06 10:24:14 AM
The best lines from presidents speaking at the RNC Convention:

1. "..."
2. "..."
3. "..."
 
2012-09-06 10:24:21 AM

bdub77: feanorn: The problem for the Ds is the contrast between the past president & the incumbent. Clinton gave a speech showing why he ought to be the party's candidate; little was done to show why the current occupant of the White House should be the candidate.

The spin machine is strong with you.

Bill Clinton showed that Obama is on the right path, the GOP is obstructing progress, and that Obama's policies are better for the nation. That's why he should be president. And it's not Clinton's task to talk about the future, it's Obama's. You probably didn't hear it because of the buildup of bullsh*t in your brain.


Sigh.

Spin has nothing to do with it. It's rather this: there's simply no comparison between C & O as politicians (and not as speakers, if consistency matters to you), and the speech C gave is evidence of that. Unless O gives the speech of his life when it's his turn (and he's yet to again give a speech nearly at the quality of his '04 speech, so I doubt he will), the contrast will be Sun vs. Moon. In a case such as this, content isn't what matters: letting C do what he does best, before O gets up to speak, only makes the difference that much more apparent. You're focused on content; that's great. It's good that you're paying attention. But most folks aren't, and don't, and that's the point.
 
2012-09-06 10:25:33 AM

imontheinternet: The best lines from presidents speaking at the RNC Convention:

1. "..."
2. "..."
3. "..."


I assume they all came from Invisible Obama?
 
2012-09-06 10:26:31 AM

StopLurkListen: urbangirl: I'm looking for a full video. I thought I saw Obama give sort of a rope-a-dope to clinton as he walked out on to the stage after clinton's speech. it was a great piece of body language. did anybody else see that?

What does 'rope a dope' mean in this context? I saw it and didn't notice anything unusual about his body language.


Dont remember exactly -- it was a fleeting moment. Sort of a quick foot shuffle and a couple of short gut punches, if I remember correctly.
 
2012-09-06 10:27:46 AM

StopLurkListen: Citrate1007: "So here's another jobs score: President Obama plus 4.5 million, congressional Republicans zero."

Oh Snap!

Zeeee-ro.

The way he said 'zero' made it a great bit.

Zeeee-ro.


Actually, when you factor in how the GOP dropped our credit rating out of nothing but political angst and stood in the way of nearly all jobs creating/retention bills you could argue that they are in the negative.
 
2012-09-06 10:28:28 AM
ZEE ROH!
 
2012-09-06 10:29:24 AM

feanorn: The problem for the Ds is the contrast between the past president & the incumbent. Clinton gave a speech showing why he ought to be the party's candidate; little was done to show why the current occupant of the White House should be the candidate.


Quotes 4, 5, 6, and 7 directly state reasons that Obama should be elected president.

I'd go on, but I'm pretty sure you can't read.
 
2012-09-06 10:31:10 AM

feanorn: bdub77: feanorn: The problem for the Ds is the contrast between the past president & the incumbent. Clinton gave a speech showing why he ought to be the party's candidate; little was done to show why the current occupant of the White House should be the candidate.

The spin machine is strong with you.

Bill Clinton showed that Obama is on the right path, the GOP is obstructing progress, and that Obama's policies are better for the nation. That's why he should be president. And it's not Clinton's task to talk about the future, it's Obama's. You probably didn't hear it because of the buildup of bullsh*t in your brain.

Sigh.

Spin has nothing to do with it. It's rather this: there's simply no comparison between C & O as politicians (and not as speakers, if consistency matters to you), and the speech C gave is evidence of that. Unless O gives the speech of his life when it's his turn (and he's yet to again give a speech nearly at the quality of his '04 speech, so I doubt he will), the contrast will be Sun vs. Moon. In a case such as this, content isn't what matters: letting C do what he does best, before O gets up to speak, only makes the difference that much more apparent. You're focused on content; that's great. It's good that you're paying attention. But most folks aren't, and don't, and that's the point.


What's your argument here? Your opening comment was all about content and now you're saying content doesn't matter. Can't have both.
 
2012-09-06 10:33:02 AM
Lessee now, the Arithmetic line? Check. Brass? Check. Zero? Check.
Double down on trickle down? Check. Blood Sport? Check.
Constructive co-operation? Check. Fact checkers? Check.

Good list.

A few honorable mentions as well...

"As another president once said, there they go again."

And..

"Now, when you say, what are you going to do about this $5 trillion you just added on? They say, oh, we'll make it up by eliminating loopholes in the tax code.

So then you ask, well, which loopholes, and how much? You know what they say? See me about that after the election. I'm not making it up. That's their position. See me about that after the election."


And...

Don't you ever forget when you hear them talking about this that Republican economic policies quadrupled the national debt before I took office, in the 12 years before I took office and doubled the debt in the eight years after I left, because it defied arithmetic. It was a highly inconvenient thing for them in our debates that I was just a country boy from Arkansas, and I came from a place where people still thought two and two was four. It's arithmetic.

Romney is probably still curled up into a fetal ball somewhere whimpering after that speech.

Maybe on his Cayman Island flagged yacht.
 
2012-09-06 10:33:08 AM

urbangirl: StopLurkListen: urbangirl: I'm looking for a full video. I thought I saw Obama give sort of a rope-a-dope to clinton as he walked out on to the stage after clinton's speech. it was a great piece of body language. did anybody else see that?

What does 'rope a dope' mean in this context? I saw it and didn't notice anything unusual about his body language.

Dont remember exactly -- it was a fleeting moment. Sort of a quick foot shuffle and a couple of short gut punches, if I remember correctly.


Not exactly a rope-a-dope, which implies that he let Clinton takes inneffectual swings at him in an effort to tire him out...

But yeah, they did exchange playful faux jabs/hooks right at the end, by the look of it. A little "farkin' killed it man." "as farkin' usual, bro. You're up."
 
2012-09-06 10:33:48 AM

Serious Black: imontheinternet: The best lines from presidents speaking at the RNC Convention:

1. "..."
2. "..."
3. "..."

I assume they all came from Invisible Obama?


ewpopwatch.files.wordpress.com

Did you see President Chair's interview on Colbert? He killed it.
 
2012-09-06 10:36:01 AM

Cythraul: Whatever. All I could hear was "DEATH TO ALL REPUBLICANS" from his speech. He's a total wingnut.


That's what you get when you watch the speech on Fox...
 
2012-09-06 10:40:26 AM
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Does this mean Romney won't throw sand in Obama's eyes, forcing him to fight blindly using the ancient, mystical skills he learned from his teacher?

Too bad. Romney was awesome as the main henchman in Enter the Dragon.
 
2012-09-06 10:41:50 AM

imontheinternet: Serious Black: imontheinternet: The best lines from presidents speaking at the RNC Convention:

1. "..."
2. "..."
3. "..."

I assume they all came from Invisible Obama?

[ewpopwatch.files.wordpress.com image 240x320]

Did you see President Chair's interview on Colbert? He killed it.


If it were up to me, I'd have an empty chair sitting on the very edge of the stage, and would have speakers periodically pause and immediately look over, as if they were being interrupted by invisible Obama.
 
2012-09-06 10:43:05 AM

urbangirl: I'm looking for a full video. I


here you go
 
2012-09-06 10:47:00 AM

feanorn: bdub77: feanorn: The problem for the Ds is the contrast between the past president & the incumbent. Clinton gave a speech showing why he ought to be the party's candidate; little was done to show why the current occupant of the White House should be the candidate.

The spin machine is strong with you.

Bill Clinton showed that Obama is on the right path, the GOP is obstructing progress, and that Obama's policies are better for the nation. That's why he should be president. And it's not Clinton's task to talk about the future, it's Obama's. You probably didn't hear it because of the buildup of bullsh*t in your brain.

Sigh.

Spin has nothing to do with it. It's rather this: there's simply no comparison between C & O as politicians (and not as speakers, if consistency matters to you), and the speech C gave is evidence of that. Unless O gives the speech of his life when it's his turn (and he's yet to again give a speech nearly at the quality of his '04 speech, so I doubt he will), the contrast will be Sun vs. Moon. In a case such as this, content isn't what matters: letting C do what he does best, before O gets up to speak, only makes the difference that much more apparent. You're focused on content; that's great. It's good that you're paying attention. But most folks aren't, and don't, and that's the point.


Political discourse is worse than it was in 1994. There was no Tea Party Koch Brothers fantasy Congressional draft going on. The Fox News Republican Talking Points spin machine didn't exist, neither did the internet, fact checkers, the 24 hour news cycle, reality crap. A lot has changed media wise since then, and a lot has changed within the GOP since then. Certainly there was a socially conservative agenda back then, certainly the same trickle down crap applied, but Clinton was successful because there was no Grover Norquist Tax Pledge, there were far fewer people in power who believe that women's bodies contain a magical rape repellant. And you certainly didn't have the covert racism that exists between Obama and the mostly white representatives of Congress.

Bill Clinton is a brilliant orator, better than Obama I'll grant you, but the fact is they are both pragmatic, center-left politicians who want what is best for the nation. Obama has certainly been less successful so far but these are different times and Clinton oversaw the rise of the Internet (and with it a fairly unhealthy tech bubble I should add). I think some of it can be attributed to Obama's inexperience, but frankly I just think the GOP has shifted too far right and polarized its representatives to no longer work with the Democrats. The ones who have offered to work with Democrats, like Rich Lugar, are being primaried out. I pray that the GOP dies a hard death and that the Democrats take control of Congress.

So Clinton provided the content for why Obama should be re-elected, and today Obama will probably not focus nearly as much on it, because as you said most people don't understand policy content. I don't think you are making a very good case as it stands, your arguments are really not well-formed.
 
2012-09-06 10:47:39 AM

feanorn: Sigh.

Spin has nothing to do with it. It's rather this: there's simply no comparison between C & O as politicians (and not as speakers, if consistency matters to you), and the speech C gave is evidence of that. Unless O gives the speech of his life when it's his turn (and he's yet to again give a speech nearly at the quality of his '04 speech, so I doubt he will), the contrast will be Sun vs. Moon. In a case such as this, content isn't what matters: letting C do what he does best, before O gets up to speak, only makes the difference that much more apparent. You're focused on content; that's great. It's good that you're paying attention. But most folks aren't, and don't, and that's the point.



i.imgur.com
 
2012-09-06 10:47:40 AM

sprawl15: vernonFL: Clinton gave a great speech, but I was struck by how he is aging. Didn't he have a quadruple bypass or something? It shows.

They removed an intact Big Mac from his aorta.


I thought it looked like he lost a bit of weight.

For some guy who used to lead the free world he's actually looking pretty good, especially for his age (he is ten years younger than John McCain for example). DC ages you terribly.
 
2012-09-06 10:54:32 AM
I found these two quotes from the "best of" quite interesting:

"One reason we need to reelect President Obama is he is still committed to constructive cooperation."

"Though I often disagree with Republicans, I actually never learned to hate them the way the far right that now controls their party seems to hate our president and a lot of other Democrats."


Clinton was hated with a passion by the right wing. To the point of them launching repeated "Right Wing Conspiracies" against him, according to Hillary.

They impeached him, for fark's sake. On a most personal level, they embarrassed him horribly, if he's capable of embarrassment. They made much of his presidency a running joke.

Yet, Clinton was able to govern. He was able to overcome the Republican Contract With America, an even larger Congressional sea change than Obama experienced in the midterms.

Now somehow, the obstructionist, intransigent Republicans are now to blame for Obama's failure to govern. He may be "committed to constructive cooperation" but that commitment must be in a theoretical way.

Obama's battle lines are hardened. He ratchets up the political rhetoric when bipartisanship is in order. Sure, it is impossible for him to get everything he wants from this Congress but he seems to think the only alternative is to get nothing and use that as an excuse for his failures.
 
2012-09-06 10:56:30 AM

bdub77: feanorn: The problem for the Ds is the contrast between the past president & the incumbent. Clinton gave a speech showing why he ought to be the party's candidate; little was done to show why the current occupant of the White House should be the candidate.

The spin machine is strong with you.


No kidding: a) he didn't see or read Clinton's speech, b) Obama will be doing that tonight and c) Obama's speech will be just as strong as Clinton's

So yeah RWers, bend over and kiss your collective asses goodbye.
 
2012-09-06 10:57:13 AM

urbangirl: VRaptor117: One thing Bill Clinton didn't talk about: Why hasn't anyone who took part in destroying the economy in 2008 gone to jail? Why hasn't anyone been punished? Because Obama is just as in the tank for the rich and wealthy as Mitt Romney.

Because the republicans have been successful in gutting regulation. So what those people did wasn't actually illegal. Immoral and borderline psychotic, but not illegal.


Gutting regulation has nothing to do with telling the farking SEC and DOJ to actually go after these assholes instead of just rolling over and accepting a bunch of shiatty fines and "Oh we're so sorry it'll never happen....BWAHAHAHA".
 
2012-09-06 10:57:24 AM

urbangirl: feanorn: bdub77: feanorn: The problem for the Ds is the contrast between the past president & the incumbent. Clinton gave a speech showing why he ought to be the party's candidate; little was done to show why the current occupant of the White House should be the candidate.

The spin machine is strong with you.

Bill Clinton showed that Obama is on the right path, the GOP is obstructing progress, and that Obama's policies are better for the nation. That's why he should be president. And it's not Clinton's task to talk about the future, it's Obama's. You probably didn't hear it because of the buildup of bullsh*t in your brain.

Sigh.

Spin has nothing to do with it. It's rather this: there's simply no comparison between C & O as politicians (and not as speakers, if consistency matters to you), and the speech C gave is evidence of that. Unless O gives the speech of his life when it's his turn (and he's yet to again give a speech nearly at the quality of his '04 speech, so I doubt he will), the contrast will be Sun vs. Moon. In a case such as this, content isn't what matters: letting C do what he does best, before O gets up to speak, only makes the difference that much more apparent. You're focused on content; that's great. It's good that you're paying attention. But most folks aren't, and don't, and that's the point.

What's your argument here? Your opening comment was all about content and now you're saying content doesn't matter. Can't have both.


Sorry not to have been painfully explicit enough for you. In the Weeners, I pointed to the contrast between C & O. It's that contrast that matters. While C was certainly stumping for O, his speech wasn't really about why O, but why not the Rs, and why the Ds, who have O at the helm, and why he should stay there since he's there. This is not about O vs. Romney or any R, or O's fitness as the candidate against the Rs; rather, it's to compare C vs. O as the best possible candidate for the Ds. C showed with his speech why he should be the choice (and would have been in every election since 2000; neither party would have had someone who actually ran who could beat him). But, since he can't be the candidate, he of course argued for O.
 
2012-09-06 10:57:57 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: sprawl15: vernonFL: Clinton gave a great speech, but I was struck by how he is aging. Didn't he have a quadruple bypass or something? It shows.

They removed an intact Big Mac from his aorta.

I thought it looked like he lost a bit of weight.

For some guy who used to lead the free world he's actually looking pretty good, especially for his age (he is ten years younger than John McCain for example). DC ages you terribly.


The Presidency ages a man fast. That Clinton actually looks this good, 12 years out of office, says something. I guess chasing tail while your wife helps run the free world is good for you after all...
 
2012-09-06 10:59:04 AM

WhyteRaven74: [fark.upi.com image 301x301]

"You smooth motherfarker" "I know"


"Can I kiss you?" "Okay."
 
2012-09-06 10:59:38 AM

Cletus C.: I found these two quotes from the "best of" quite interesting:

"One reason we need to reelect President Obama is he is still committed to constructive cooperation."

"Though I often disagree with Republicans, I actually never learned to hate them the way the far right that now controls their party seems to hate our president and a lot of other Democrats."

Clinton was hated with a passion by the right wing. To the point of them launching repeated "Right Wing Conspiracies" against him, according to Hillary.

They impeached him, for fark's sake. On a most personal level, they embarrassed him horribly, if he's capable of embarrassment. They made much of his presidency a running joke.

Yet, Clinton was able to govern. He was able to overcome the Republican Contract With America, an even larger Congressional sea change than Obama experienced in the midterms.

Now somehow, the obstructionist, intransigent Republicans are now to blame for Obama's failure to govern. He may be "committed to constructive cooperation" but that commitment must be in a theoretical way.

Obama's battle lines are hardened. He ratchets up the political rhetoric when bipartisanship is in order. Sure, it is impossible for him to get everything he wants from this Congress but he seems to think the only alternative is to get nothing and use that as an excuse for his failures.


"When you look at this final agreement that we came to with the White House [on the debt deal], I got 98 percent of what I wanted. I'm pretty happy." - Speaker of the House John Boehner
 
2012-09-06 10:59:43 AM
feanorn: The problem for the Ds is the contrast between the past president & the incumbent. Clinton gave a speech showing why he ought to be the party's candidate; little was done to show why the current occupant of the White House should be the candidate.

wanna know how I know you didn't understand the speech?
 
2012-09-06 11:01:28 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: sprawl15: vernonFL: Clinton gave a great speech, but I was struck by how he is aging. Didn't he have a quadruple bypass or something? It shows.

They removed an intact Big Mac from his aorta.

I thought it looked like he lost a bit of weight.

For some guy who used to lead the free world he's actually looking pretty good, especially for his age (he is ten years younger than John McCain for example). DC ages you terribly.


I noticed right away that his hands were shaking a lot when he would pause a gesture. Kind of worrying.
 
2012-09-06 11:02:50 AM

sprawl15: Alphax: Zerochance: Considering Clinton answered a bunch of tired-ass, moronic taking points in a similar manner a FARKer would, I'd say he DOES spend a lot of time in the politics tab.

Yeah, we Farkers are a pretty sharp bunch. We take out the trash, and fast.

If this were true, Corvus wouldn't be around.


project much?

Always amusing to hear I'm the the one who starts the problems when people like you Weeners in a thread that I haven't even posted anything in.
 
2012-09-06 11:06:16 AM
I'm just going to let you explain why you think you make any sense:

feanorn: It's that contrast that matters.


But, since he can't be the candidate, he of course argued for O.

Bill Clinton cannot be president, as you stated. He's not the candidate. So the contrast does not f*cking matter. It doesn't matter at all. This is what people are trying to say to you. If you think Clinton is better than Obama and it showed last night, well tough titties, we don't elect presidents for life. And if you actually watch or listen to his speech you'd know that Clinton did indeed stump for Obama last night, and that Obama will speak tonight and it'll be a very good speech if not as rousing as Clinton's. Clinton has had many more years than Obama to perfect his public speaking, and he was a good orator to begin with.
 
2012-09-06 11:07:28 AM

Corvus: people like you Weeners in a thread that I haven't even posted anything in


I weener wherever the fark I want to weener.
 
2012-09-06 11:13:37 AM

bdub77: Political discourse is worse than it was in 1994. There was no Tea Party Koch Brothers fantasy Congressional draft going on. The Fox News Republican Talking Points spin machine didn't exist, neither did the internet, fact checkers, the 24 hour news cycle, reality crap. A lot has changed media wise since then, and a lot has changed within the GOP since then. Certainly there was a socially conservative agenda back then, certainly the same trickle down crap applied, but Clinton was successful because there was no Grover Norquist Tax Pledge, there were far fewer people in power who believe that women's bodies contain a magical rape repellant. And you certainly didn't have the covert racism that exists between Obama and the mostly white representatives of Congress.


You must be younger than I am, and I'm only 30. Your history is slightly off:

-Grover Norquist's Americans for Prosperity was founded - at the behest of Ronald Reagan - in 1985; the tax pledge was initially drafted in either 1988 or 1990 (source).
-there were plenty of people in Congress who believed in that stupid biological claptrap - do you think it spawned on the Senate locker room floor one night? Know-nothing conservatives have been fed lies by the people who'd rather they not know the truth (because the truth is Satanic and also makes you have sex). And even if they didn't buy this particular line about rape-baby protection, there were many, many others - welfare queens, black people were simply not as smart (yeah, in 1990), faith can save the economy, trickle-down economics...
-racism in Congress in the early 90s was, by today's standards, at unacceptable levels. I have no specific recall, but if Strom Thurmond sat in that chamber next to Asa Hutchinson and Trent Lott, you can bet it was there. Ironically, they may have been better at dogwhistling.

The 24-hour news cycle arguably started with the advent of CNN in 1985. Fox News didn't get going until 1996, though, so you're not wrong. Also, I'd say that "reality crap" started with MTV's The Real World in 1992, but that's not really relevant.
 
2012-09-06 11:15:37 AM

bdub77: So Clinton provided the content for why Obama should be re-elected, and today Obama will probably not focus nearly as much on it, because as you said most people don't understand policy content. I don't think you are making a very good case as it stands, your arguments are really not well-formed.


I have no idea what Obama will focus on tonight. I would hope that, since Clinton basically dismantled the GOP and gave the context for what he's done in the past, he focuses on the future and what he wants to accomplish with a final four years in Washington. This is probably my idealistic side speaking, but I think his best bet is doubling down on his recent criticism of Citizens United and going after one of the biggest things he didn't (or couldn't) do in his first term: tackling corruption in government. It's an issue that almost every American from all areas in the political spectrum cares about, and if he makes a principled stand for returning control to the voters, to the people, I think there's a very slim chance he could build his standing with the left AND peel away a not-so-insignificant sliver of support on the right.
 
2012-09-06 11:18:33 AM

Serious Black: I have no idea what Obama will focus on tonight.


What we haven't seen yet is a serious mention of foreign policy.
 
2012-09-06 11:18:46 AM

hubiestubert: Crotchrocket Slim: sprawl15: vernonFL: Clinton gave a great speech, but I was struck by how he is aging. Didn't he have a quadruple bypass or something? It shows.

They removed an intact Big Mac from his aorta.

I thought it looked like he lost a bit of weight.

For some guy who used to lead the free world he's actually looking pretty good, especially for his age (he is ten years younger than John McCain for example). DC ages you terribly.

The Presidency ages a man fast. That Clinton actually looks this good, 12 years out of office, says something. I guess chasing tail while your wife helps run the free world is good for you after all...


Maybe Family Guy had it right and he's back on the herb again? I'm sure that's how I still have my original hair color @32 while my siblings (all a few years younger than I am) are going grey. Well, them all having significant others and my brothers having young children may be a factor too.
 
2012-09-06 11:22:47 AM

VRaptor117: urbangirl: VRaptor117: One thing Bill Clinton didn't talk about: Why hasn't anyone who took part in destroying the economy in 2008 gone to jail? Why hasn't anyone been punished? Because Obama is just as in the tank for the rich and wealthy as Mitt Romney.

Because the republicans have been successful in gutting regulation. So what those people did wasn't actually illegal. Immoral and borderline psychotic, but not illegal.

Gutting regulation has nothing to do with telling the farking SEC and DOJ to actually go after these assholes instead of just rolling over and accepting a bunch of shiatty fines and "Oh we're so sorry it'll never happen....BWAHAHAHA".


They can't make up laws and rules after the fact just so they have something to nail them with -- not that it wouldnt be sweet if they could. It's called due process. And yes it sometimes sucks.
 
2012-09-06 11:23:54 AM

sprawl15: Serious Black: I have no idea what Obama will focus on tonight.

What we haven't seen yet is a serious mention of foreign policy.


True, but I think a lot of that is because everyone knows Obama has the GOP over a barrel on foreign policy this year. Maybe the only thing dealing with foreign countries he could focus on is free trade and how we should use trade to make everyone's lives better rather than just a few lucky duckies.
 
2012-09-06 11:25:32 AM

Cletus C.: I found these two quotes from the "best of" quite interesting:

"One reason we need to reelect President Obama is he is still committed to constructive cooperation."

"Though I often disagree with Republicans, I actually never learned to hate them the way the far right that now controls their party seems to hate our president and a lot of other Democrats."

Clinton was hated with a passion by the right wing. To the point of them launching repeated "Right Wing Conspiracies" against him, according to Hillary.

They impeached him, for fark's sake. On a most personal level, they embarrassed him horribly, if he's capable of embarrassment. They made much of his presidency a running joke.

Yet, Clinton was able to govern. He was able to overcome the Republican Contract With America, an even larger Congressional sea change than Obama experienced in the midterms.

Now somehow, the obstructionist, intransigent Republicans are now to blame for Obama's failure to govern. He may be "committed to constructive cooperation" but that commitment must be in a theoretical way.

Obama's battle lines are hardened. He ratchets up the political rhetoric when bipartisanship is in order. Sure, it is impossible for him to get everything he wants from this Congress but he seems to think the only alternative is to get nothing and use that as an excuse for his failures.


Nonsense. You're comparing 8 years of Clinton's presidency to 4 years of Obama's. Of course Clinton had more opportunity to compromise and work with the Republicans. For fark's sake, the Clinton economic plan that led to the 1990s boom by raising tax rates on the top 2% passed by one vote, the vote of Al Gore, who broke the tie. That would never happen today, because the Republicans filibuster everything. Just look at the stats, man!

Further, the Republicans in the 1990s we're only willing to compromise because they got smacked down by the electorate every time they went too far. The came in in 1995, thinking they would rule the roost, and tried to push Bill over, and what was the response? Bill gets reelected in 1996, a big screw you to Republican tactics and the Contract on America. Then Newt tries to shut down the government, Bill gets impeached, and then what happens? 1998, Republicans lose so many seat in the Congress that Newt has to resign, not just as leader, but his whole farking seat. The Republicans had to compromise in the 1990s, because when they didn't, they got punished big time.

Now, again, look at the record number of filibusters. Look at them. Because that is what Obama has to deal with.

What's the real difference between the 1990s and 2000s? Fox news. Fox news has created an environment where compromise of the type seen in the 1990s is impossible, because Obama is the anti-Christ. The only hope if for people to smack down the Republicans so hard, like 1996 and 1998 hard, so they get the message that this type of BS obstructionism is impossible.

And still, despite this unprecedented BS, in the last four years Obama has accomplished more for credit card reform, health care reform, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, wage reform, school loan reform, gay rights, the economic stimulus, and a whole slew of other things than Bill did in his first four years.
 
2012-09-06 11:25:38 AM

Dr Dreidel: biological claptrap


admintell.napco.com
 
2012-09-06 11:26:36 AM

Serious Black: sprawl15: Serious Black: I have no idea what Obama will focus on tonight.

What we haven't seen yet is a serious mention of foreign policy.

True, but I think a lot of that is because everyone knows Obama has the GOP over a barrel on foreign policy this year. Maybe the only thing dealing with foreign countries he could focus on is free trade and how we should use trade to make everyone's lives better rather than just a few lucky duckies.


So, we trade out food stamps for what, rugs?
 
2012-09-06 11:27:20 AM

Serious Black: True, but I think a lot of that is because everyone knows Obama has the GOP over a barrel on foreign policy this year.


Which is the perfect reason to beat them over the head with it. I wouldn't be surprised to see today be very heavy on it, especially the killing of bin Laden...which I don't think has even been mentioned.
 
2012-09-06 11:30:31 AM

RyogaM: Nonsense. You're comparing 8 years of Clinton's presidency to 4 years of Obama's. Of course Clinton had more opportunity to compromise and work with the Republicans. For fark's sake, the Clinton economic plan that led to the 1990s boom by raising tax rates on the top 2% passed by one vote, the vote of Al Gore, who broke the tie. That would never happen today, because the Republicans filibuster everything. Just look at the stats, man!

Further, the Republicans in the 1990s we're only willing to compromise because they got smacked down by the electorate every time they went too far. The came in in 1995, thinking ...


Filibusters are the product of failure. A failure in leadership.
 
2012-09-06 11:31:43 AM
fark.upi.com
"You on point, Bill?"
"All the time, Barry."
"You on point, Bill?"
"All the time, Barry."
"You on point, Bill?"
"All the time, Barry. And for Mitt and Paul, shiat just got scary."
 
2012-09-06 11:32:12 AM

sprawl15: Serious Black: True, but I think a lot of that is because everyone knows Obama has the GOP over a barrel on foreign policy this year.

Which is the perfect reason to beat them over the head with it. I wouldn't be surprised to see today be very heavy on it, especially the killing of bin Laden...which I don't think has even been mentioned.


I don't recall it being mentioned either. And I do think he could make a good run with it by showing how the world's opinion of America has dramatically improved under his watch. It does us no good to be the superpower of the planet if everyone looks at us like the big bully on the block.
 
2012-09-06 11:32:13 AM

Serious Black: sprawl15: Serious Black: I have no idea what Obama will focus on tonight.

What we haven't seen yet is a serious mention of foreign policy.

True, but I think a lot of that is because everyone knows Obama has the GOP over a barrel on foreign policy this year. Maybe the only thing dealing with foreign countries he could focus on is free trade and how we should use trade to make everyone's lives better rather than just a few lucky duckies.


Like how the democrats tried to pass a bill that taxed companies that moved U.S. jobs overseas......which was vehemently rejected by the GOP. That would be a good start.
 
2012-09-06 11:32:25 AM

Cletus C.: RyogaM: Nonsense. You're comparing 8 years of Clinton's presidency to 4 years of Obama's. Of course Clinton had more opportunity to compromise and work with the Republicans. For fark's sake, the Clinton economic plan that led to the 1990s boom by raising tax rates on the top 2% passed by one vote, the vote of Al Gore, who broke the tie. That would never happen today, because the Republicans filibuster everything. Just look at the stats, man!

Further, the Republicans in the 1990s we're only willing to compromise because they got smacked down by the electorate every time they went too far. The came in in 1995, thinking ...

Filibusters are the product of failure. A failure in leadership.


No, they're a product of being held hostage by a bunch of know-nothings called the Tea Party.
 
2012-09-06 11:33:40 AM

coeyagi: Cletus C.: RyogaM: Nonsense. You're comparing 8 years of Clinton's presidency to 4 years of Obama's. Of course Clinton had more opportunity to compromise and work with the Republicans. For fark's sake, the Clinton economic plan that led to the 1990s boom by raising tax rates on the top 2% passed by one vote, the vote of Al Gore, who broke the tie. That would never happen today, because the Republicans filibuster everything. Just look at the stats, man!

Further, the Republicans in the 1990s we're only willing to compromise because they got smacked down by the electorate every time they went too far. The came in in 1995, thinking ...

Filibusters are the product of failure. A failure in leadership.

No, they're a product of being held hostage by a bunch of know-nothings called the Tea Party.


Four more years of that then.
 
2012-09-06 11:34:10 AM

Cletus C.: RyogaM: Nonsense. You're comparing 8 years of Clinton's presidency to 4 years of Obama's. Of course Clinton had more opportunity to compromise and work with the Republicans. For fark's sake, the Clinton economic plan that led to the 1990s boom by raising tax rates on the top 2% passed by one vote, the vote of Al Gore, who broke the tie. That would never happen today, because the Republicans filibuster everything. Just look at the stats, man!

Further, the Republicans in the 1990s we're only willing to compromise because they got smacked down by the electorate every time they went too far. The came in in 1995, thinking ...

Filibusters are the product of failure. A failure in leadership.


chzheroes.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-06 11:37:16 AM

Citrate1007: Serious Black: sprawl15: Serious Black: I have no idea what Obama will focus on tonight.

What we haven't seen yet is a serious mention of foreign policy.

True, but I think a lot of that is because everyone knows Obama has the GOP over a barrel on foreign policy this year. Maybe the only thing dealing with foreign countries he could focus on is free trade and how we should use trade to make everyone's lives better rather than just a few lucky duckies.

Like how the democrats tried to pass a bill that taxed companies that moved U.S. jobs overseas......which was vehemently rejected by the GOP. That would be a good start.


Absolutely! I've been reading Matt Miller's The Tyranny of Dead Ideas recently, and his chapter on free trade put to paper a lot of thoughts I haven't been able to organize in my head. That was actually one of the brief proposals he made.
 
2012-09-06 11:39:11 AM

Dr Dreidel: bdub77: Political discourse is worse than it was in 1994. There was no Tea Party Koch Brothers fantasy Congressional draft going on. The Fox News Republican Talking Points spin machine didn't exist, neither did the internet, fact checkers, the 24 hour news cycle, reality crap. A lot has changed media wise since then, and a lot has changed within the GOP since then. Certainly there was a socially conservative agenda back then, certainly the same trickle down crap applied, but Clinton was successful because there was no Grover Norquist Tax Pledge, there were far fewer people in power who believe that women's bodies contain a magical rape repellant. And you certainly didn't have the covert racism that exists between Obama and the mostly white representatives of Congress.

You must be younger than I am, and I'm only 30. Your history is slightly off:

-Grover Norquist's Americans for Prosperity was founded - at the behest of Ronald Reagan - in 1985; the tax pledge was initially drafted in either 1988 or 1990 (source).
-there were plenty of people in Congress who believed in that stupid biological claptrap - do you think it spawned on the Senate locker room floor one night? Know-nothing conservatives have been fed lies by the people who'd rather they not know the truth (because the truth is Satanic and also makes you have sex). And even if they didn't buy this particular line about rape-baby protection, there were many, many others - welfare queens, black people were simply not as smart (yeah, in 1990), faith can save the economy, trickle-down economics...
-racism in Congress in the early 90s was, by today's standards, at unacceptable levels. I have no specific recall, but if Strom Thurmond sat in that chamber next to Asa Hutchinson and Trent Lott, you can bet it was there. Ironically, they may have been better at dogwhistling.

The 24-hour news cycle arguably started with the advent of CNN in 1985. Fox News didn't get going until 1996, though, so you're not wrong. Also, ...


Older than 30.

To answer your points:

- Most of us know Norquist has had his idea since he was 12, and maybe it was drafted as early as 1988 but it certainly didn't have significant traction until the last decade, possibly even the last four years. The tax pledge has been much more recent, your own source cites that Gingrich first brought it up in 1998, and it's gotten significantly worse since.

- Crazies have been in Congress since the dawn of the union, but the Tea Party movement and the push of the GOP further right has made the social conservative agenda much more pronounced. And I even admitted as much, that the social conservative agenda and supply side economics have been around since well before 1990. But the number of moderate Republicans has shrunk considerably. The ones left have shifted further right under pressure from outside groups and SuperPACs.

- Racism in Congress was bad if not worse but I also don't recall the leader of the free world being in charge of the executive branch of government. This is my point, that some may simply not want to reach out a hand to the president simply because he's black. Racism still exists, it's just less pronounced. Very few will outwardly admit they are racist, but people are a collection of their experiences. You want an example, like say oh Michelle Bachmann and her whole Muslim Brotherhood outrage?

- And as far as 24 hour news cycle, CNN's been around for a while but it really didn't get bad until CNN was competing with other networks, and the birth of the 24 hour news cycle and the blatant partisanship in news really didn't get bad until Bush/Gore in 2000. In the 12 years since the news cycle has accelerated. And I'm not even talking about new media, the blogosphere, crazy people popping up left and right to share their ideas. It's like furry porn and fanfiction, the internet has enabled any group of weirdos to get together and discuss whatever horrible stuff they have accumulated in their brains.
 
2012-09-06 11:41:37 AM

Cletus C.: coeyagi: Cletus C.: RyogaM: Nonsense. You're comparing 8 years of Clinton's presidency to 4 years of Obama's. Of course Clinton had more opportunity to compromise and work with the Republicans. For fark's sake, the Clinton economic plan that led to the 1990s boom by raising tax rates on the top 2% passed by one vote, the vote of Al Gore, who broke the tie. That would never happen today, because the Republicans filibuster everything. Just look at the stats, man!

Further, the Republicans in the 1990s we're only willing to compromise because they got smacked down by the electorate every time they went too far. The came in in 1995, thinking ...

Filibusters are the product of failure. A failure in leadership.

No, they're a product of being held hostage by a bunch of know-nothings called the Tea Party.

Four more years of that then.


No, vote out the Tea Partiers.
 
2012-09-06 11:45:25 AM

Dr Dreidel: Also, I'd say that "reality crap" started with MTV's The Real World in 1992, but that's not really relevant


ecx.images-amazon.com

Albert Brooks is pretty eerily prescient back in 1979, eh?
 
2012-09-06 11:48:02 AM

Cletus C.: RyogaM: Nonsense. You're comparing 8 years of Clinton's presidency to 4 years of Obama's. Of course Clinton had more opportunity to compromise and work with the Republicans. For fark's sake, the Clinton economic plan that led to the 1990s boom by raising tax rates on the top 2% passed by one vote, the vote of Al Gore, who broke the tie. That would never happen today, because the Republicans filibuster everything. Just look at the stats, man!

Further, the Republicans in the 1990s we're only willing to compromise because they got smacked down by the electorate every time they went too far. The came in in 1995, thinking ...

Filibusters are the product of failure. A failure in leadership.


Bull shiat. Rape is the product of failure. A failure of the victim to stop the rapist.

And, I hope you remember this little canard when a Republican gets in the White House and the Democrats filibuster everything.
 
2012-09-06 11:50:53 AM

RyogaM: Cletus C.: I found these two quotes from the "best of" quite interesting:

"One reason we need to reelect President Obama is he is still committed to constructive cooperation."

"Though I often disagree with Republicans, I actually never learned to hate them the way the far right that now controls their party seems to hate our president and a lot of other Democrats."

Clinton was hated with a passion by the right wing. To the point of them launching repeated "Right Wing Conspiracies" against him, according to Hillary.

They impeached him, for fark's sake. On a most personal level, they embarrassed him horribly, if he's capable of embarrassment. They made much of his presidency a running joke.

Yet, Clinton was able to govern. He was able to overcome the Republican Contract With America, an even larger Congressional sea change than Obama experienced in the midterms.

Now somehow, the obstructionist, intransigent Republicans are now to blame for Obama's failure to govern. He may be "committed to constructive cooperation" but that commitment must be in a theoretical way.

Obama's battle lines are hardened. He ratchets up the political rhetoric when bipartisanship is in order. Sure, it is impossible for him to get everything he wants from this Congress but he seems to think the only alternative is to get nothing and use that as an excuse for his failures.

Nonsense. You're comparing 8 years of Clinton's presidency to 4 years of Obama's. Of course Clinton had more opportunity to compromise and work with the Republicans. For fark's sake, the Clinton economic plan that led to the 1990s boom by raising tax rates on the top 2% passed by one vote, the vote of Al Gore, who broke the tie. That would never happen today, because the Republicans filibuster everything. Just look at the stats, man!

Further, the Republicans in the 1990s we're only willing to compromise because they got smacked down by the electorate every time they went too far. The came in in 1995, thinking they would rule the roost, and tried to push Bill over, and what was the response? Bill gets reelected in 1996, a big screw you to Republican tactics and the Contract on America. Then Newt tries to shut down the government, Bill gets impeached, and then what happens? 1998, Republicans lose so many seat in the Congress that Newt has to resign, not just as leader, but his whole farking seat. The Republicans had to compromise in the 1990s, because when they didn't, they got punished big time.

Now, again, look at the record number of filibusters. Look at them. Because that is what Obama has to deal with.

What's the real difference between the 1990s and 2000s? Fox news. Fox news has created an environment where compromise of the type seen in the 1990s is impossible, because Obama is the anti-Christ. The only hope if for people to smack down the Republicans so hard, like 1996 and 1998 hard, so they get the message that this type of BS obstructionism is impossible.

And still, despite this unprecedented BS, in the last four years Obama has accomplished more for credit card reform, health care reform, the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, wage reform, school loan reform, gay rights, the economic stimulus, and a whole slew of other things than Bill did in his first four years.


Nice. You should post more often.
 
2012-09-06 11:52:29 AM

I May Be Crazy But...: WhyteRaven74: [fark.upi.com image 301x301]

"You smooth motherfarker" "I know"

"Can I kiss you?" "Okay."


LOL. I can hear Obama's smooth baritone and Clinton's throaty, Southern-accented, nearly-whispered reply when I read that.
 
2012-09-06 11:53:12 AM
This is a campaign that will be fought over social media.

RNC on social media: Crazy old man yelling at chair!

DNC on social media: I have been seeing people linking to Michelle Obama's speech and Clinton's speech that normally never post political links.


I think the Romney may be in trouble.
 
2012-09-06 12:01:44 PM

Cletus C.: Serious Black: sprawl15: Serious Black: I have no idea what Obama will focus on tonight.

What we haven't seen yet is a serious mention of foreign policy.

True, but I think a lot of that is because everyone knows Obama has the GOP over a barrel on foreign policy this year. Maybe the only thing dealing with foreign countries he could focus on is free trade and how we should use trade to make everyone's lives better rather than just a few lucky duckies.

So, we trade out food stamps for what, rugs?


Gosh, you're classy! I wanna have your rape babies.
 
2012-09-06 12:02:54 PM

Huggermugger: Cletus C.: Serious Black: sprawl15: Serious Black: I have no idea what Obama will focus on tonight.

What we haven't seen yet is a serious mention of foreign policy.

True, but I think a lot of that is because everyone knows Obama has the GOP over a barrel on foreign policy this year. Maybe the only thing dealing with foreign countries he could focus on is free trade and how we should use trade to make everyone's lives better rather than just a few lucky duckies.

So, we trade out food stamps for what, rugs?

Gosh, you're classy! I wanna have your rape babies.


You can only have them if he illegitimately rapes you. I'd recommend either getting drunk or going on a date with him to accomplish said goal.
 
2012-09-06 12:03:18 PM

Huggermugger: Cletus C.: Serious Black: sprawl15: Serious Black: I have no idea what Obama will focus on tonight.

What we haven't seen yet is a serious mention of foreign policy.

True, but I think a lot of that is because everyone knows Obama has the GOP over a barrel on foreign policy this year. Maybe the only thing dealing with foreign countries he could focus on is free trade and how we should use trade to make everyone's lives better rather than just a few lucky duckies.

So, we trade out food stamps for what, rugs?

Gosh, you're classy! I wanna have your rape babies.


He has ways to shut that down.
 
2012-09-06 12:05:25 PM

Huggermugger: Cletus C.: Serious Black: sprawl15: Serious Black: I have no idea what Obama will focus on tonight.

What we haven't seen yet is a serious mention of foreign policy.

True, but I think a lot of that is because everyone knows Obama has the GOP over a barrel on foreign policy this year. Maybe the only thing dealing with foreign countries he could focus on is free trade and how we should use trade to make everyone's lives better rather than just a few lucky duckies.

So, we trade out food stamps for what, rugs?

Gosh, you're classy! I wanna have your rape babies.


We interrupt our regularly scheduled bloviations to return to the War on Women.
 
2012-09-06 12:12:37 PM

Cletus C.: Huggermugger: Cletus C.: Serious Black: sprawl15: Serious Black: I have no idea what Obama will focus on tonight.

What we haven't seen yet is a serious mention of foreign policy.

True, but I think a lot of that is because everyone knows Obama has the GOP over a barrel on foreign policy this year. Maybe the only thing dealing with foreign countries he could focus on is free trade and how we should use trade to make everyone's lives better rather than just a few lucky duckies.

So, we trade out food stamps for what, rugs?

Gosh, you're classy! I wanna have your rape babies.

We interrupt our regularly scheduled bloviations to return to the War on Women.


Projecting again Cletus?
 
2012-09-06 12:18:34 PM

sprawl15: Serious Black: I have no idea what Obama will focus on tonight.

What we haven't seen yet is a serious mention of foreign policy.


Hopefully it's along the lines of "let's do everything we can to keep our money and our troops to ourselves."
 
2012-09-06 12:26:54 PM

Cletus C.: Huggermugger: Cletus C.: Serious Black: sprawl15: Serious Black: I have no idea what Obama will focus on tonight.

What we haven't seen yet is a serious mention of foreign policy.

True, but I think a lot of that is because everyone knows Obama has the GOP over a barrel on foreign policy this year. Maybe the only thing dealing with foreign countries he could focus on is free trade and how we should use trade to make everyone's lives better rather than just a few lucky duckies.

So, we trade out food stamps for what, rugs?

Gosh, you're classy! I wanna have your rape babies.

We interrupt our regularly scheduled bloviations to return to the War on Women.


Get your terminology right, pal. The War on Women is being waged by the GOP - those people elected to national posts, in Congress, and their supporters/surrogates/spinmeisters - on America. A single asshole on fark saying something misogynistic is not part of it.

If I say something like "Michelle Malkin's only purpose is as life support for boobs and vag" (I'm leaving out some context there), that's no more a part of The GOP's War on Women than (hypothetically) you saying "Hillary Coontlin should stick to evading sniper fire in helicopters, and keep her pantsuits out of government". They might both be equally offensive, but as neither of us is in any position to actually wage war, it's shouting at clouds on a sunny day.

I don't know whether you honestly don't grok that, or whether you're trying your hand at the "Nuh-UH, it's the Dems who hate women! Look, the unemployment rate for women 18-30 is .1% higher than the combined rate for the 18-30 cohort! YOU'RE the misogynists, misogynists!" game, but knock it off already.
 
2012-09-06 12:28:06 PM

feanorn: his speech wasn't really about why O, but why not the Rs, and why the Ds, who have O at the helm, and why he should stay there since he's there.


We get it. You didn't hear or read the speech, and you don't intend to.
 
2012-09-06 12:31:11 PM

Dr Dreidel: Cletus C.: Huggermugger: Cletus C.: Serious Black: sprawl15: Serious Black: I have no idea what Obama will focus on tonight.

What we haven't seen yet is a serious mention of foreign policy.

True, but I think a lot of that is because everyone knows Obama has the GOP over a barrel on foreign policy this year. Maybe the only thing dealing with foreign countries he could focus on is free trade and how we should use trade to make everyone's lives better rather than just a few lucky duckies.

So, we trade out food stamps for what, rugs?

Gosh, you're classy! I wanna have your rape babies.

We interrupt our regularly scheduled bloviations to return to the War on Women.

Get your terminology right, pal. The War on Women is being waged by the GOP - those people elected to national posts, in Congress, and their supporters/surrogates/spinmeisters - on America. A single asshole on fark saying something misogynistic is not part of it.

If I say something like "Michelle Malkin's only purpose is as life support for boobs and vag" (I'm leaving out some context there), that's no more a part of The GOP's War on Women than (hypothetically) you saying "Hillary Coontlin should stick to evading sniper fire in helicopters, and keep her pantsuits out of government". They might both be equally offensive, but as neither of us is in any position to actually wage war, it's shouting at clouds on a sunny day.

I don't know whether you honestly don't grok that, or whether you're trying your hand at the "Nuh-UH, it's the Dems who hate women! Look, the unemployment rate for women 18-30 is .1% higher than the combined rate for the 18-30 cohort! YOU'RE the misogynists, misogynists!" game, but knock it off already.


Wow. All I got from that is you never get laid.
 
2012-09-06 12:37:19 PM

Cletus C.: Wow. All I got from that is you never get laid.


Well, the proto-gf lives 90 minutes from me, and is currently working on a trial. Last weekend, though, was pretty epic - apparently, The Dreamscapes Project is a panty-dropper.

// was anyone else at that show - 930 Club last Saturday night?
// not that you'll believe me, so I'll add that her particle physics research keeps her busy on most weekends
 
2012-09-06 12:45:59 PM

Dr Dreidel: Cletus C.: Wow. All I got from that is you never get laid.

Well, the proto-gf lives 90 minutes from me, and is currently working at the Cheesecake Factory on a trial. Last weekend, though, was pretty epic - apparently, The Dreamscapes Project is a panty-dropper.

// was anyone else at that show - 930 Club last Saturday night?
// not that you'll believe me, so I'll add that her particle physics research keeps her busy on most weekends


Just replace a few words and it all makes sense. Anyway, see you at the 930.
 
2012-09-06 01:40:38 PM

Dafatone: hubiestubert: His speech really dispelled the notion that Clinton was going to Eastwood his appearance. They didn't need to release the Biden, they just loosed Clinton doing what he does best: connect with folks and show what a Centerist approach looks like, in living color.

WTF was that all about, anyway?

Eastwood goes senile on stage, and the best comeback the right wing had was, "Well, maybe Clinton will do that too!"

No he won't. He's Bill farking Clinton.


I dislike him as a person, since he's the sort of farkwit who cheats on his wife, but on the other hand, yeah, he seems pretty damn awesome.
 
2012-09-06 02:00:21 PM

mrshowrules: Serious Black: "I would recommend to my friend Paul [Begala] here, tonight when everybody leaves, lock the doors. You don't have to come back tomorrow. This convention is done. This will be the moment that probably re-elected Barack Obama. Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party once, it was going to far left, he came in, the new democrats took it to the center. He did it again tonight." - Alex Castellanos, GOP strategist

I hope he has found a nice place to camp under the GOP bus he will be thrown under shortly.


I know. I have some teabaggers in my FB friends list. They're throwing everyone who isn't ultra partisan right (ie wingnut to eleventy!!1!1!) as RINOs. Despicable.
 
2012-09-06 02:43:36 PM

dericwater: mrshowrules: Serious Black: "I would recommend to my friend Paul [Begala] here, tonight when everybody leaves, lock the doors. You don't have to come back tomorrow. This convention is done. This will be the moment that probably re-elected Barack Obama. Bill Clinton saved the Democratic Party once, it was going to far left, he came in, the new democrats took it to the center. He did it again tonight." - Alex Castellanos, GOP strategist

I hope he has found a nice place to camp under the GOP bus he will be thrown under shortly.

I know. I have some teabaggers in my FB friends list. They're throwing everyone who isn't ultra partisan right (ie wingnut to eleventy!!1!1!) as RINOs. Despicable.


To be fair, the strategy of purity is working. It's driving good folks from the party, and looking for a useful and sane alternative to the Democrats, and in the meantime, voting against the Crazy Train until said party can be congealed properly. They wanted a revolution, and they're getting one. It's quiet maybe, but Romney is going to see a lot of folks break ranks with the party, because he offers nothing as an alternative, save a lot of the same pablum that has been tried, and failed.

We need a Bull Moose Party again.
 
2012-09-06 05:49:08 PM
They forgot: "If you would just show me your breasts, we could have world peace."
 
2012-09-06 07:27:19 PM

thurstonxhowell: feanorn: his speech wasn't really about why O, but why not the Rs, and why the Ds, who have O at the helm, and why he should stay there since he's there.

We get it. You didn't hear or read the speech, and you don't intend to.


Really. How could you capture the complete polar opposite of the speech with any more accuracy?
 
2012-09-06 08:53:21 PM
Zee-roh!
 
2012-09-07 12:27:50 AM

WhyteRaven74: [fark.upi.com image 301x301]

"You smooth motherfarker" "I know"


Notice that they're both wearing red ties? Not blue ties?

Moderate Republican party.
 
x23
2012-09-07 01:17:18 AM
i want to compare this Clinton speech to the speech George W. Bush gave last week at the RNC convention.
anyone have a copy of that one?
 
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