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2012-09-06 05:38:51 AM  
So, that's ANOTHER thing they stole from Apple.
 
2012-09-06 06:18:01 AM  

Elvis_Bogart: So, that's ANOTHER thing they stole from Apple.


This would have made a MUCH better headline.
 
2012-09-06 06:22:09 AM  
So, anyone thinking that their non-fair trade products are secretly fair trade is willfully ignorant.

And, by the way, this is what an anti-regulation and anti-labor union paradise looks like, Republicans.
 
2012-09-06 07:31:15 AM  

Bontesla: So, anyone thinking that their non-fair trade products are secretly fair trade is willfully ignorant.

And, by the way, this is what an anti-regulation and anti-labor union paradise looks like, Republicans.


It's that way for pretty much every bit of small consumer electronics. People delude themselves into thinking that their phone is made by robots or by machines. Nope, it's somebody assembling it on a floor by hand. Hell, more things are being handmade today than back before the industrial revolution.
 
2012-09-06 07:31:34 AM  
Are there any Chinese employers that actually have decent labour practices?
 
2012-09-06 07:35:32 AM  
Well, duh, electronics are getting smaller, so you need workers with small hands.
 
2012-09-06 07:38:26 AM  

Klopfer: Well, duh, electronics are getting smaller, so you need workers with small hands.


Taking tips from Schindler.
 
2012-09-06 07:41:34 AM  
I just assumed that every piece of electronics I use is built in that mine from Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom, why single out Samsung?
 
2012-09-06 07:47:55 AM  

Bontesla: So, anyone thinking that their non-fair trade products are secretly fair trade is willfully ignorant.

And, by the way, this is what an anti-regulation and anti-labor union paradise looks like, Republicans.


They know, why do you think they keep pushing for it.
 
2012-09-06 07:48:30 AM  

ModernLuddite: Are there any Chinese employers that actually have decent labour practices?


No. Many times underage people use a relatives or fake ID to get a job. The factory knows it isn't them but doesn't care because the paperwork all looks legit. Then when watch dog groups come in they talk to some workers and one lets it slip they are underage. The company gets bad press, the worker gets fired then upset about getting fired they tell anyone who will listen about the terrible working conditions. It has been going on for over a decade at most if not all factories.
 
2012-09-06 07:50:22 AM  
images.sodahead.com

If this is true, my electronics should be far less expensive.
 
2012-09-06 07:50:34 AM  

RexTalionis: Bontesla: So, anyone thinking that their non-fair trade products are secretly fair trade is willfully ignorant.

And, by the way, this is what an anti-regulation and anti-labor union paradise looks like, Republicans.

It's that way for pretty much every bit of small consumer electronics. People delude themselves into thinking that their phone is made by robots or by machines. Nope, it's somebody assembling it on a floor by hand. Hell, more things are being handmade today than back before the industrial revolution.


Isn't Google new Nexus streaming device assembled in America?
 
2012-09-06 07:51:59 AM  

Elvis_Bogart: So, that's ANOTHER thing they stole from Apple.


No, these are the production lines making things that go into Apple products.

/Apple doesn't actually make anything
//It's 100% outsourced production.
 
2012-09-06 07:53:41 AM  

ModernLuddite: Are there any Chinese employers that actually have decent labour practices?


Foxxconn is the Rolls-Royce in terms of employee treatment for Chinese manufacturers, if that helps.
 
2012-09-06 07:54:33 AM  
Geez, does Samsung have to steal *all* of Apple's ideas?
 
2012-09-06 07:55:39 AM  

wildcardjack: Elvis_Bogart: So, that's ANOTHER thing they stole from Apple.

No, these are the production lines making things that go into Apple products.

/Apple doesn't actually make anything
//It's 100% outsourced production.


Do you honestly believe Samsung screens and chips are manufactured by abused, underage workers in China? Do you honestly think Samsung is that dumb?
 
2012-09-06 07:56:13 AM  

ModernLuddite: Are there any Chinese employers that actually have decent labour practices?


Walmart
 
2012-09-06 07:58:27 AM  

digistil: ModernLuddite: Are there any Chinese employers that actually have decent labour practices?

Foxxconn is the Rolls-Royce in terms of employee treatment for Chinese manufacturers, if that helps.


The same foxconn that put up anti-suicide nets around their building?
 
2012-09-06 08:01:44 AM  

wildcardjack: Elvis_Bogart: So, that's ANOTHER thing they stole from Apple.

No, these are the production lines making things that go into Apple products.

/Apple doesn't actually make anything
//It's 100% outsourced production.


Ironically, those outsource factories now have to outsource themselves. Turns out all the World's production of electronics is ultimately sourced to a company owned by some dude whose initials are JBEZ.
 
2012-09-06 08:02:15 AM  

Maul555: digistil: ModernLuddite: Are there any Chinese employers that actually have decent labour practices?

Foxxconn is the Rolls-Royce in terms of employee treatment for Chinese manufacturers, if that helps.

The same foxconn that put up anti-suicide nets around their building?


Pics:

publicintelligence.net
fremdenscham.com
www.deconcrete.org

I have a foxconn board in one of my computers, and it is a good board.. Which sucks, because I don't really have any alternative than to buy Chinese slave labor electronics these days... Does anyone know of a major manufacturer that does not use places like these to produce the shiat I want?
 
2012-09-06 08:06:36 AM  

Maul555: digistil: ModernLuddite: Are there any Chinese employers that actually have decent labour practices?

Foxxconn is the Rolls-Royce in terms of employee treatment for Chinese manufacturers, if that helps.

The same foxconn that put up anti-suicide nets around their building?


Indeed. The same one. Granted the suicides stemmed from massive payouts to the families of any Foxxconn worker found to commit suicide. Still very sad.
 
2012-09-06 08:07:23 AM  

Maul555: digistil: ModernLuddite: Are there any Chinese employers that actually have decent labour practices?

Foxxconn is the Rolls-Royce in terms of employee treatment for Chinese manufacturers, if that helps.

The same foxconn that put up anti-suicide nets around their building?


That's why they're the best. Why would they spend all that money if they didn't care about their employees?
 
2012-09-06 08:08:01 AM  

Maul555: Maul555: digistil: ModernLuddite: Are there any Chinese employers that actually have decent labour practices?

Foxxconn is the Rolls-Royce in terms of employee treatment for Chinese manufacturers, if that helps.

The same foxconn that put up anti-suicide nets around their building?

Pics:

[publicintelligence.net image 610x406]
[fremdenscham.com image 660x440]
[www.deconcrete.org image 415x500]

I have a foxconn board in one of my computers, and it is a good board.. Which sucks, because I don't really have any alternative than to buy Chinese slave labor electronics these days... Does anyone know of a major manufacturer that does not use places like these to produce the shiat I want?


Asus maybe? I'm honestly not sure, but would think if anyone can afford it, it's them.
 
2012-09-06 08:11:39 AM  

Bontesla: So, anyone thinking that their non-fair trade products are secretly fair trade is willfully ignorant.

And, by the way, this is what an anti-regulation and anti-labor union paradise looks like, Republicans.


i106.photobucket.com
"You say to somebody, you shouldn't go to work before you're what, 14, 16 years of age, fine," Mr. Gingrich said. "You're totally poor. You're in a school that is failing with a teacher that is failing. I've tried for years to have a very simple model. Most of these schools ought to get rid of the unionized janitors, have one master janitor and pay local students to take care of the school. The kids would actually do work, they would have cash, they would have pride in the schools, they'd begin the process of rising."
 
2012-09-06 08:14:49 AM  
These where the first things I thought of when I saw this article.

Shouty Man: Victorian Child
Victorian Work Song
 
2012-09-06 08:15:29 AM  
You all clearly misunderstand. Those nets are there to protect workers for sure, but not from suicide. See, there are so many people that want to work in those paradises of manufacturing, they have to put up nets to prevent outsiders from scaling the buildings. There they break into rooms, toss out the occupant and take their place on the factory floor. Its great that a company really thinks of the little guy!
 
2012-09-06 08:16:40 AM  
My Galaxy S2 is powered in part by the tears of children, and I love it.
 
2012-09-06 08:20:35 AM  

RexTalionis: Bontesla: So, anyone thinking that their non-fair trade products are secretly fair trade is willfully ignorant.

And, by the way, this is what an anti-regulation and anti-labor union paradise looks like, Republicans.

It's that way for pretty much every bit of small consumer electronics. People delude themselves into thinking that their phone is made by robots or by machines. Nope, it's somebody assembling it on a floor by hand. Hell, more things are being handmade today than back before the industrial revolution.


Exactly.. My older Samsung TV had a capacitor problem and I took it apart to fix it. I could tell that the board was hand soldered and I was quite surprised at this. I figured it was robot-manufactured but nope.. Some 12 year old had soldered those cheap chinese capacitors to the board. I replaced with with $2 Japanese ones and it's been working great since.
 
2012-09-06 08:25:38 AM  
Blaming Apple for poor labor conditions makes you look like an ignorant band-wagon jumper to anyone who knows anything about modern mass production. Bringing up the suicide nets as a HUR HURR makes you look like an ignorant fool too, notably.
 
2012-09-06 08:28:36 AM  

Bontesla: So, anyone thinking that their non-fair trade products are secretly fair trade is willfully ignorant.

And, by the way, this is what an anti-regulation and anti-labor union paradise looks like, Republicans.


This is what economic conditions brought on by Communion and Socialism looks like, Democrats.

/Hey, typing stupid statements is fun.
 
2012-09-06 08:35:18 AM  

ModernLuddite: Are there any Chinese employers that actually have decent labour practices?


I think City Wok is fairly decent...

1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-06 08:37:10 AM  
Funny thing is that my Nokia was made in South Korea.
/Yes I know made is the new term for assembled
 
2012-09-06 08:40:07 AM  

digistil:

Isn't Google new Nexus streaming device assembled in America?


Yes. As a result, you're going to pay a bit more for it. $299 to be exact. It's supposed to be very well made, but unfortunately it's not really a great streaming device, as it's limited to only stream from Android devices running JellyBean, and only content purchased from the Google Play Store.
 
2012-09-06 08:55:49 AM  
This explains why my galaxy s3 has a poorly placed screen. There is a gap at the bottom and right of the phone between the screen and the bezel. Thinking of swapping it but I'm far too lazy and already modded the shiat out of my phone.


/last time I buy a smart phone (at least until they get holographic projection completely figured out)
 
2012-09-06 08:56:34 AM  

Maul555: Maul555: digistil: ModernLuddite: Are there any Chinese employers that actually have decent labour practices?

Foxxconn is the Rolls-Royce in terms of employee treatment for Chinese manufacturers, if that helps.

The same foxconn that put up anti-suicide nets around their building?

Pics:

[publicintelligence.net image 610x406]
[fremdenscham.com image 660x440]
[www.deconcrete.org image 415x500]


See, that's just terrible. Those nets should be one floor lower so that if you worked high up, you could just jump out the window when you go to lunch and then lower yourself down to the ground.
 
2012-09-06 09:01:44 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: digistil:

Isn't Google new Nexus streaming device assembled in America?

Yes. As a result, you're going to pay a bit more for it. $299 to be exact. It's supposed to be very well made, but unfortunately it's not really a great streaming device, as it's limited to only stream from Android devices running JellyBean, and only content purchased from the Google Play Store.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but the reported cost difference between building the Nexus streaming device in China and the US is factored at less than $10 of the $299 SRP.

Also, the Nexus 7 tablet is also assembled in the US, if I'm not mistaken.
 
2012-09-06 09:07:05 AM  

Theaetetus: See, that's just terrible. Those nets should be one floor lower so that if you worked high up, you could just jump out the window when you go to lunch and then lower yourself down to the ground.


Yeah, like they get a lunch
 
2012-09-06 09:12:18 AM  

digistil: Abe Vigoda's Ghost: digistil:

Isn't Google new Nexus streaming device assembled in America?

Yes. As a result, you're going to pay a bit more for it. $299 to be exact. It's supposed to be very well made, but unfortunately it's not really a great streaming device, as it's limited to only stream from Android devices running JellyBean, and only content purchased from the Google Play Store.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the reported cost difference between building the Nexus streaming device in China and the US is factored at less than $10 of the $299 SRP.

Also, the Nexus 7 tablet is also assembled in the US, if I'm not mistaken.


If it's just a $10 difference, that would be great. Hopefully more electronic assembly can be done stateside.
I have a Nexus 7 tablet, and it's marked 'made in China'. I guess that's where Asus has some of it's products assembled.
 
2012-09-06 09:32:23 AM  
*runs off to play some Xbox 360 or PS3 on his nice big shiny child labo.... um... Samsung HDTV* weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
 
2012-09-06 09:34:41 AM  
Elvis_Bogart


So, that's ANOTHER thing they stole from Apple.

Annnnnnnnd we're done here.
 
2012-09-06 09:37:28 AM  

Maul555: digistil: ModernLuddite: Are there any Chinese employers that actually have decent labour practices?

Foxxconn is the Rolls-Royce in terms of employee treatment for Chinese manufacturers, if that helps.

The same foxconn that put up anti-suicide nets around their building?


At least they put up nets.
 
2012-09-06 09:42:12 AM  

Maul555: Maul555: digistil: ModernLuddite: Are there any Chinese employers that actually have decent labour practices?

Foxxconn is the Rolls-Royce in terms of employee treatment for Chinese manufacturers, if that helps.

The same foxconn that put up anti-suicide nets around their building?

Pics:

[publicintelligence.net image 610x406]
[fremdenscham.com image 660x440]
[www.deconcrete.org image 415x500]

I have a foxconn board in one of my computers, and it is a good board.. Which sucks, because I don't really have any alternative than to buy Chinese slave labor electronics these days... Does anyone know of a major manufacturer that does not use places like these to produce the shiat I want?


Compare the suicide rate of Foxconn to China as a whole and get back to us. As others have mentioned, there was also shenanigans with insurance payouts that made the jump a little easier.
 
2012-09-06 09:48:30 AM  
So what is the real effect of sweatshops? Every time there's a story about this I see mention of the fact that without them they would be poor/starving and dying and they boost the economy. There seems to be some sense in the idea, but it all just reads like company propaganda.
 
2012-09-06 09:51:08 AM  
Why we still paying' so much for cell phones when you got em made by little slave kids?

What are your overheads?
 
2012-09-06 09:52:23 AM  

Elvis_Bogart: So, that's ANOTHER thing they stole from Apple.


OK, thread done, everyone.
 
2012-09-06 10:00:37 AM  

Slaxl: So what is the real effect of sweatshops? Every time there's a story about this I see mention of the fact that without them they would be poor/starving and dying and they boost the economy. There seems to be some sense in the idea, but it all just reads like company propaganda.


These sweat shops are bad, make no mistake about that. But for the workers there, the other alternatives are even worse. There is no shortage of people waiting for a job in these places. Hopefully companies that outsource to China will start applying pressure for better working conditions.
 
2012-09-06 10:21:04 AM  
Where is the outrage for the fact that game studios are sweatshops for 20-something douchebags. Boycott activision.
 
2012-09-06 10:32:57 AM  

ongbok: Maul555: digistil: ModernLuddite: Are there any Chinese employers that actually have decent labour practices?

Foxxconn is the Rolls-Royce in terms of employee treatment for Chinese manufacturers, if that helps.

The same foxconn that put up anti-suicide nets around their building?

At least they put up nets.


Well, yeah. You don't want to lose an afternoon of productivity to have the body hauled away, and get someone new setup on the line. Nets are a simple, one-time cost that acts as a deterrent.
 
2012-09-06 10:40:01 AM  

Khellendros: ongbok: Maul555: digistil: ModernLuddite: Are there any Chinese employers that actually have decent labour practices?

Foxxconn is the Rolls-Royce in terms of employee treatment for Chinese manufacturers, if that helps.

The same foxconn that put up anti-suicide nets around their building?

At least they put up nets.

Well, yeah. You don't want to lose an afternoon of productivity to have the body hauled away, and get someone new setup on the line. Nets are a simple, one-time cost that acts as a deterrent.


If it were my company there would be no nets. The families of the jumpers would be billed any cleanup cost and lost production cost that resulted from the suicide. Free market.
 
2012-09-06 10:40:22 AM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Slaxl: So what is the real effect of sweatshops? Every time there's a story about this I see mention of the fact that without them they would be poor/starving and dying and they boost the economy. There seems to be some sense in the idea, but it all just reads like company propaganda.

These sweat shops are bad, make no mistake about that. But for the workers there, the other alternatives are even worse. There is no shortage of people waiting for a job in these places. Hopefully companies that outsource to China will start applying pressure for better working conditions.


Which would mean raising rates for manufacturing.. Then it might not make as much sense to offshore the work. I'm pretty certain that this cycle will end sometime soon as Chinese demand higher rates, workers rights, and competitive benefits. The cost differential is also being increased by shipping and import costs. A friend of mine owns a clothing manufacturing company that makes athletic apparel for some big brands like Champion and Under Armor. Last year he moved all his manufacturing back to the US and Canada for three reasons: Shipping + Labor costs rising and quality control. He has practically no waste now and orders are fulfilled properly. His costs are equal.

It also helps to make a conscience choice to purchase only made in USA goods. My car, my appliances, my furniture, and almost all my clothes carry Made in USA tags on them.
 
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