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2012-09-05 08:28:14 PM
Know what would be a classy move? A proactive Obama Pardon.

Never gonna happen, but it would be classy.
 
2012-09-05 08:42:26 PM

Brick-House: dr_blasto: Brick-House: dr_blasto: Brick-House: And will the DOJ go after the WH for the information they disclosed for the movie Zero Dark Thirty?

As this is a work of fiction with no proof of any classified information supplied to facilitate its production, what would the DOJ do, exactly?

Work of fiction with no proof of any classifide information supplied, hmmmm...

From the Chicago Tribune:

"According to the records, the Obama administration granted Boal and Bigelow unusual access to agency information in preparation for their film, which was reportedly scheduled for an October, 2012 release, just before the presidential election," the site wrote, noting that "Zero Dark Thirty" will now premiere in December, after the election.
 

I guess its too bad for obummer that potential profits from the holiday movie season won out over trying to get him reelected.

My statement stands, dork. Unusual and classified are not synonyms.

Grasp harder, you're sure to get your straw.

Yeah, tell it to this guy...

[www.toptj.com image 317x228]

A Pakistani doctor who helped the Central Intelligence Agency pin down Osama bin Laden's location under the cover of a vaccination drive was convicted on Wednesday of treason and sentenced to 33 years in prison, a senior official in Pakistan said.


What in the holy fark of all farks does that have to do with this?
 
2012-09-05 08:47:29 PM

Brick-House: A Pakistani doctor who.

?

No, I've not seen that. Must be one of the regenerations I'd missed
 
2012-09-05 09:03:53 PM

Karma313th: what_now: Yellow Beard: The author would never see a trial. Can you imagine a jury convicting one of the SEALs that took out Osama? yea, neither can I.

not saying what he did was right, just saying I cannot imagine him getting convicted at a jury trial

A military jury? Comprised of people who signed the exact same agreements that he did? Comprised of people who's life he risks by spilling secrets?

yeah, I can see them convicting him.


You realize that "Mark Owen" is a civilian now, right?

Anything they tried to do legally would go through the federal court system, so he wouldn't have a "military jury."

He spent more than the requisite 8 years in, so it's not like he's on IRR and can be recalled and he didn't have the 20 in to formally retire, so...Safe from being called back there, too.

In short, he's no more answerable to the UCMJ or a military court than the next random guy on the street is.


No, he's still on the fleet reserve list. This means he can be recalled to active duty and tried in a court martial if they see fit, under the ucmj.
 
2012-09-05 09:12:47 PM

archichris: Sure, but as long as you are cool with persecuting a SEAL for doing essentially the same thing that the White House did within hours of the raid. Also you should be cool with persecuting a man who is by all rights a national hero.,...persecuting him mostly because he disagreed with the President and made Obama look bad. The White House has been shown to have been shopping the story for a Movie, Leaked information which got one of our assets in Pakistan sent to a prison camp, and has been pushing the credit for the raid as close to the President as they can without photoshopping him into a picture of the SEALs shooting Bin Laden.

But as long as we are being all hard-ass and enforcing the law against a national hero for something he said in a book......

Lets apply the same Logic to old Barry.

In his memoir Obama admits to actions which constitute felony possession of a controlled substance with intent to distribute, distribution to minors, and a whole host of individual possession felonies. Sounds like by your logic we need to have Obama Arrested so he can be arraigned and charged so he can clear his good name by admitting that everything he ever wrote in his memoir was a fabrication.


There's a number on the bottle that tells you how many times you can refill the prescription. Just thought you should know.
 
2012-09-05 09:15:24 PM

Karma313th: IvanTheSilent: Everything I've seen has said "retired." I'm rather sure, even with as stupid as the press is, they'd know the difference between someone who was discharged and someone who retired. Plus, I find it hard to believe that someone'd make Chief in 14 years. I know that it's possible to do so in 12 if you hit every single bullet point on the way up, right on time. Being he was a SEAL, I wouldn't doubt he could do it too. But unless something is vastly different in the Navy from the Air Force that step that comes from E-6 to E-7 also gets you a 3 year extension on your contract. It could be that he was discharged early, but I'd wonder why if that were the case. In the end, regardless of any other detail or fact, I stand by my comment that Chief Bissonnette should have kept his damn mouth shut.

I don't disagree that he stepped over the line with the book, but it doesn't surprise me.

Scuttlebutt is that he got screwed when he started talking about plans for leaving the Navy and his plans for opening a business after he got out.

I'd be pissed too, if I was treated like a pariah just because I decided it was time to start thinking about a life after the Navy.

But anyway....Yeah, the media's got it completely wrong with this "retired" thing which isn't unusual. There's a few places that get it right like these:

Virginian-Pilot

UPI

And a few others.


I retract my previous statement to you, sir.

Still, i'd like to see him face some punishment, even if it's a blanket party on every BUDs class reunion date for the rest of his life.
 
2012-09-05 09:36:10 PM

dr_blasto: Brick-House: dr_blasto: Brick-House: dr_blasto: Brick-House: And will the DOJ go after the WH for the information they disclosed for the movie Zero Dark Thirty?

As this is a work of fiction with no proof of any classified information supplied to facilitate its production, what would the DOJ do, exactly?

Work of fiction with no proof of any classifide information supplied, hmmmm...

From the Chicago Tribune:

"According to the records, the Obama administration granted Boal and Bigelow unusual access to agency information in preparation for their film, which was reportedly scheduled for an October, 2012 release, just before the presidential election," the site wrote, noting that "Zero Dark Thirty" will now premiere in December, after the election.
 

I guess its too bad for obummer that potential profits from the holiday movie season won out over trying to get him reelected.

My statement stands, dork. Unusual and classified are not synonyms.

Grasp harder, you're sure to get your straw.

Yeah, tell it to this guy...

[www.toptj.com image 317x228]

A Pakistani doctor who helped the Central Intelligence Agency pin down Osama bin Laden's location under the cover of a vaccination drive was convicted on Wednesday of treason and sentenced to 33 years in prison, a senior official in Pakistan said.

What in the holy fark of all farks does that have to do with this?


For those of you to slow to follow along, one of the many leaks that have been coming out of the White House spoke of a Pakistani doctor who helped the Central Intelligence Agency pin down Osama bin Laden's location under the cover of a vaccination drive,

HE WAS WORKING FOR THE CIA AND THE WH OUTED HIM FOR POLITICAL GAIN!!!

Now hes doing time in a Pakistani prison for being a spy. But Obama got to take credit for killing OBL, so I guess that's all that matters.
 
2012-09-05 09:43:57 PM

aug3: i'm sure he will probably fall down some stairs and die of natural causes


Ninjas. They're the only ones who can kill a Seal.
 
2012-09-05 09:50:37 PM

MisterTweak: Weaver95: As I recall, the Pentagon takes this sort of thing very seriously. you sign a stack of paperwork when you get your clearance...and one of the things you sign lays it out in great detail: if you write a book or an article for newspapers and the like...you clear it first. if you don't clear it with the Powers That Be, then you risk jail time.

True 'nuff. There are any number of people who do heroic stuff for their country, and are expected to take it to their graves. If this book is what it purports to be, I think the author has done a disservice to himself and his peers.

/and may be in a world of legal hurt, too. Rightly so, I guess.


I'm definitely getting a Steven Seagal vibe off the guy who put this out. Not in the "makes utterly BS claims and pretends to be way more awesome than he really is" sense but in the "utterly self serving douchebag with no redeeming qualities" sense.
 
2012-09-05 09:51:40 PM

Yellow Beard: The author would never see a trial. Can you imagine a jury convicting one of the SEALs that took out Osama? yea, neither can I.

not saying what he did was right, just saying I cannot imagine him getting convicted at a jury trial


Blind military fellatio isn't as common as you think.
 
2012-09-05 09:57:48 PM
Apparently keeping secrets is of greater importance than free speech. Kinda hard to play the good guys if you're gonna do things underhandedly.
 
2012-09-05 10:01:24 PM

Brick-House: dr_blasto: Brick-House: dr_blasto: Brick-House: dr_blasto: Brick-House: And will the DOJ go after the WH for the information they disclosed for the movie Zero Dark Thirty?

As this is a work of fiction with no proof of any classified information supplied to facilitate its production, what would the DOJ do, exactly?

Work of fiction with no proof of any classifide information supplied, hmmmm...

From the Chicago Tribune:

"According to the records, the Obama administration granted Boal and Bigelow unusual access to agency information in preparation for their film, which was reportedly scheduled for an October, 2012 release, just before the presidential election," the site wrote, noting that "Zero Dark Thirty" will now premiere in December, after the election.
 

I guess its too bad for obummer that potential profits from the holiday movie season won out over trying to get him reelected.

My statement stands, dork. Unusual and classified are not synonyms.

Grasp harder, you're sure to get your straw.

Yeah, tell it to this guy...

[www.toptj.com image 317x228]

A Pakistani doctor who helped the Central Intelligence Agency pin down Osama bin Laden's location under the cover of a vaccination drive was convicted on Wednesday of treason and sentenced to 33 years in prison, a senior official in Pakistan said.

What in the holy fark of all farks does that have to do with this?

For those of you to slow to follow along, one of the many leaks that have been coming out of the White House spoke of a Pakistani doctor who helped the Central Intelligence Agency pin down Osama bin Laden's location under the cover of a vaccination drive,

HE WAS WORKING FOR THE CIA AND THE WH OUTED HIM FOR POLITICAL GAIN!!!

Now hes doing time in a Pakistani prison for being a spy. But Obama got to take credit for killing OBL, so I guess that's all that matters.


Where in your article does it say this?

I found:
"In January, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta confirmed that the United States had been working with Dr. Afridi while trying to verify the location of Bin Laden's compound in Abbottabad in the months before the raid."


Followed later in the article by:
"In a television interview in January, Mr. Panetta said, 'For them to take this kind of action against somebody who was helping to go after terrorism, I just think is a real mistake on their part.'"

Which would seem to indicate that he wasn't outed, till after he was jailed and Panetta, along with Clinton, were attempting to get him released or at least protected from more severe charges. He'd already been caught and was on trial.

They were attempting to apply pressure to let him go. They were attempting to protect the guy.
 
2012-09-05 10:21:07 PM
They're not actually marine mammals?
 
2012-09-05 10:31:25 PM

dr_blasto: Brick-House: dr_blasto: Brick-House: dr_blasto: Brick-House: dr_blasto: Brick-House: And will the DOJ go after the WH for the information they disclosed for the movie Zero Dark Thirty?

As this is a work of fiction with no proof of any classified information supplied to facilitate its production, what would the DOJ do, exactly?

Work of fiction with no proof of any classifide information supplied, hmmmm...

From the Chicago Tribune:

"According to the records, the Obama administration granted Boal and Bigelow unusual access to agency information in preparation for their film, which was reportedly scheduled for an October, 2012 release, just before the presidential election," the site wrote, noting that "Zero Dark Thirty" will now premiere in December, after the election.
 

I guess its too bad for obummer that potential profits from the holiday movie season won out over trying to get him reelected.

My statement stands, dork. Unusual and classified are not synonyms.

Grasp harder, you're sure to get your straw.

Yeah, tell it to this guy...

[www.toptj.com image 317x228]

A Pakistani doctor who helped the Central Intelligence Agency pin down Osama bin Laden's location under the cover of a vaccination drive was convicted on Wednesday of treason and sentenced to 33 years in prison, a senior official in Pakistan said.

What in the holy fark of all farks does that have to do with this?

For those of you to slow to follow along, one of the many leaks that have been coming out of the White House spoke of a Pakistani doctor who helped the Central Intelligence Agency pin down Osama bin Laden's location under the cover of a vaccination drive,

HE WAS WORKING FOR THE CIA AND THE WH OUTED HIM FOR POLITICAL GAIN!!!

Now hes doing time in a Pakistani prison for being a spy. But Obama got to take credit for killing OBL, so I guess that's all that matters.

Where in your article does it say this?

I found:
"In January, Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta confirmed that the United S ...


And how exactly did they figure out what Dr. Afridi did? White House leak about a fake vaccination program used to gather intel.
 
2012-09-05 10:49:11 PM

Brick-House: And how exactly did they figure out what Dr. Afridi did? White House leak about a fake vaccination program used to gather intel.


Dude.

Can you provide any reliable information that this is true? Any reliable non-wingnut source.

No Breitbart.
No WND.
No Blaze
None of that crap. Legitimate reporting, not some retard on the opinion page. When you read, you'll find the Pakistanis nabbed everyone they could identify as having even glanced at that compound. Embarrassed as all shiat and mad as hell, they arrested a nurse. She worked for Afridi. Apparently, Afridi had been taking boxes of Hep B vaccines without authorizaiton. They released the nurse and arrested him.

That's the farking story. Doctors Without Borders is pissed at Obama for destroying credibility of world NGO and health organizations by using such a cynical approach. There's something to be mad at Obama about. Direct your rage in the right direction.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakil_Afridi
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/22/specia l -operations-opsec-education-fund/group-blames-obama-linking-cia-pakist ani-doctor/
 
2012-09-05 10:57:47 PM

vernonFL: [991.com image 450x475]

Barbra Streisand was pretty hot back in the day.


2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-05 11:04:06 PM

Headso: Amos Quito: Conveniently reminds us that Obama is the that got Osama.

(Even though he didn't do that - somebody ELSE did that!)

Usually when someone posts something like this someone responds with something like "If the raid ended with bin laden chopping off a navy seal's head on al jazeera I'm sure you'd all be so quick to blame the navy seals for screwing up the raid" then the person who made the initial post usually runs away or ignores it and moves on to the next troll... just an fyi


The other important thing that might be mentioned is that it is true that Obama didn't pull the trigger and kill Bin Laden, it is also true that Bin Laden didn't fly any aircraft into any buildings on 9/11. Of course he was ultimately responsible for the people that did.
 
2012-09-05 11:27:51 PM

nmemkha: vernonFL: [991.com image 450x475]

Barbra Streisand was pretty hot back in the day.

[2.bp.blogspot.com image 300x300]


Why, yes,

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Yes,

i651.photobucket.com

Yes, she was!
 
2012-09-05 11:35:13 PM
Those days are sadly long since past.

img171.imageshack.us
 
2012-09-05 11:45:10 PM

Brick-House: Those days are sadly long since past.

[img171.imageshack.us image 490x419]


Renew at carousel!
 
2012-09-06 03:15:16 AM
I have supreme respect for the operators that risk their lives and well being in the defense of our interests. The Navy SEALs are the best trained, equipped and capable Special Operations force in the world (I am sure someone will debate that) but it comes down to the personal "intestinal fortitude" of those warriors to risk themselves time and time again - no gadget can replace the character of these guys.

Likewise, I am amazed at the folks who don't want to share the credit with the President. President Obama risked his entire Presidency, the relationship with an ally, the standing of the US on the international stage, and the responsibility for the team's lives on a gamble that: First, it was OBL; Second, it wouldn't turn into OPERATION EAGLE CLAW. If either had happened it would have been disastrous for the United States, and we'd be dissecting the failure for years to come. The failure would have been his Presidential legacy, and I am sure the losses would have weighed on him as a man. Give the President his due - he sacked up and made a very tough decision that resulted in killing the head of an organization dedicated to the destruction of our Union. Generals own the victories (and failures) that Privates make happen.

As for the author: Who knows? If there is sufficient evidence he broke the law, then take him to trail and let the courts weigh the outcome. Military or civilian all depends on jurisdiction that actual lawyer types will determine rather than our inartful guesswork. The speculation on the CPOs character is a little premature - he hasn't been charge or convicted; the entire event is under review. I'd hate for there to be no charges brought against him and for some of us to eat crow over the rush to judgment, though knowing the lack of personal responsibility around her that isn't likely. That said, if he is charged and convicted I hope it would serve as a strong deterrent for other folks who want to color outside the lines in the future, and I reinforces standing procedures.

I do agree that the release date of this book is highly suspect and obviously politically motivated, and reaffirms GEN Dempsey's position: "If someone uses the uniform, whatever uniform it is, for partisan politics, I'm disappointed by that, because I think it does erode that bond of trust that we have with the American people."
 
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