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2012-09-05 04:59:09 PM

radiobiz: I said it in the last thread and I'll say it here, having read the book, I just don't get what all the fuss is about. There didn't seem to be anything particularly revealing in it. The accounts on training and the day to day stuff were cool but not much different than what you read in any military fiction book (Tom Clancy, etc.)

So I learned guys with night vision googles use IR chem lights. I doubt thats a state secret, I just never thought about it.

I suppose the Navy might not like some of the stories about SEALs giving each other the finger and sticking a black dildo in a barrel of animal crackers (you have to read it) but its not like these details are compromising.

Should he have submitted it? Probably but I doubt there's much there the powers that be would really have redacted. But boy it's great publicity isn't it?


Here's the thing. He signed an agreement to vet the document whether or not it contained sensitive data. He's not the one who gets to make the call on what is sensitive. You would be surprised at some seemingly mundane stuff that the government decides is classified.
 
2012-09-05 05:00:51 PM

Old_Chief_Scott: Is that a good thing or a bad thing?


It's never a bad thing when anybody gets your semi-obscure references.
 
2012-09-05 05:01:11 PM

IvanTheSilent: Everything I've seen has said "retired." I'm rather sure, even with as stupid as the press is, they'd know the difference between someone who was discharged and someone who retired. Plus, I find it hard to believe that someone'd make Chief in 14 years. I know that it's possible to do so in 12 if you hit every single bullet point on the way up, right on time. Being he was a SEAL, I wouldn't doubt he could do it too. But unless something is vastly different in the Navy from the Air Force that step that comes from E-6 to E-7 also gets you a 3 year extension on your contract. It could be that he was discharged early, but I'd wonder why if that were the case. In the end, regardless of any other detail or fact, I stand by my comment that Chief Bissonnette should have kept his damn mouth shut.


I don't disagree that he stepped over the line with the book, but it doesn't surprise me.

Scuttlebutt is that he got screwed when he started talking about plans for leaving the Navy and his plans for opening a business after he got out.

I'd be pissed too, if I was treated like a pariah just because I decided it was time to start thinking about a life after the Navy.

But anyway....Yeah, the media's got it completely wrong with this "retired" thing which isn't unusual. There's a few places that get it right like these:

Virginian-Pilot

UPI

And a few others.
 
2012-09-05 05:04:35 PM

Karma313th: IvanTheSilent: Everything I've seen has said "retired." I'm rather sure, even with as stupid as the press is, they'd know the difference between someone who was discharged and someone who retired. Plus, I find it hard to believe that someone'd make Chief in 14 years. I know that it's possible to do so in 12 if you hit every single bullet point on the way up, right on time. Being he was a SEAL, I wouldn't doubt he could do it too. But unless something is vastly different in the Navy from the Air Force that step that comes from E-6 to E-7 also gets you a 3 year extension on your contract. It could be that he was discharged early, but I'd wonder why if that were the case. In the end, regardless of any other detail or fact, I stand by my comment that Chief Bissonnette should have kept his damn mouth shut.

I don't disagree that he stepped over the line with the book, but it doesn't surprise me.

Scuttlebutt is that he got screwed when he started talking about plans for leaving the Navy and his plans for opening a business after he got out.

I'd be pissed too, if I was treated like a pariah just because I decided it was time to start thinking about a life after the Navy.

But anyway....Yeah, the media's got it completely wrong with this "retired" thing which isn't unusual. There's a few places that get it right like these:

Virginian-Pilot

UPI

And a few others.


Right on, and thank for the cites. I hadn't read those.
 
2012-09-05 05:05:31 PM

Karma313th: Violating the NDA can subject you to severe problems on the criminal and civil front, to be sure. However, once you're "out" out, the UCMJ ain't one of them.


I'm calling BS. They repealed DADT.
 
2012-09-05 05:07:29 PM

robbrie: Yes! It's only a single two-page form, but it's REALLY REALLY IMPORTANT! As soon as you're issued your initial clearance (regardless of access level), you're required to sign a non-disclosure agreement. No form means no clearance. Form is only two pages long, but it follows you everywhere. It stays on file with your facility security office for SIXTY YEARS from the date you signed and dated it.

The form isn't particularly exotic. In fact you can find it online right here and lots of other places. US Gov't SF-312 non-disclosure agreement pdf


Bears repeating. Classified information is only provided on a need-to-know basis, and it's unlikely that any of the SEALs involved in the raid knew how the Pentagon figured out Bin Laden's location. However, if he made any attempt to "talk around" the classified information that he did receive as part of the mission, he may have inadvertently provided just enough information, for example, that a group of terrorists might figure out that there's an informant among their ranks. Which could put the lives of DoD personnel and/or their allies at risk.

If any U.S. citizens die as a result of this book being published, he could even be charged with treason and face the death penalty.
 
2012-09-05 05:08:32 PM

lordaction: You have to admire the sheer hypocrisy of the liberals in this matter. Bradley Manning is a hero to them but the SEAL is a traitor. They are just pissed because they actually thought Obama would get a free pass to say he was responsible for taking out OBL.


I'm a liberal and I never considered Manning to be a hero. He's at Leavenworth, right where he belongs.

As far as the SEAL goes, if should have known better and if he in fact did release classified information in his book, he should take responsiblity for the consequences.
 
2012-09-05 05:09:31 PM
The timing of the release of this book is interesting.

Conveniently reminds us that Obama is the img1.fark.net that got Osama.

(Even though he didn't do that - somebody ELSE did that!)

One wonders whether the Pentagon squealing might feigned, calculated - effectively drawing more attention to the topic at this conveniently Conventional time.
 
2012-09-05 05:12:17 PM
b>Karma313th:

You realize that "Mark Owen" is a civilian now, right?

Anything they tried to do legally would go through the federal court system, so he wouldn't have a "military jury."

He spent more than the requisite 8 years in, so it's not like he's on IRR and can be recalled and he didn't have the 20 in to formally retire, so...Safe from being called back there, too.

In short, he's no more answerable to the UCMJ or a military court than the next random guy on the street is.


Know how I know you've never been in the military and probably are talking out your ass?
 
2012-09-05 05:16:27 PM

trackstr777: I read the book last night. His foreword makes it clear that pretty much any missions or details he discussed, are either already widely reported in the news, or are public knowledge. He changed names, except for high ranking officials (Admiral McRaven, etc.) who are already well known. I'm not in the Pentagon but I didn't have anything scream out at me that it was still confidential knowledge.

As far as technology, he referred to the bin Laden choppers as Blackhawks, and went into no detail about the suspected stealth technology on board. The only semi-shady thing mentioned in the book was that some CIA planners wanted them to bring a "sixty pound box that blocked cell phone signals"; while I don't think our government officially claims to have this tech, it's pretty much been believed for a while. Based on my general knowledge, and what I read ... I think he's going to be alright.


I noticed that he did discuss tactics - he mentioned the infrared chemlights that are thrown down to show an area has been cleared.

That could definitely be used to kill a few SEALs.
 
2012-09-05 05:19:51 PM

Weaver95: As I recall, the Pentagon takes this sort of thing very seriously. you sign a stack of paperwork when you get your clearance...and one of the things you sign lays it out in great detail: if you write a book or an article for newspapers and the like...you clear it first. if you don't clear it with the Powers That Be, then you risk jail time.


This is a patriot of America talking truth to the Communist in Chief! What do these people at the Pentagon know about being American?
 
2012-09-05 05:20:38 PM

Weaver95: As I recall, the Pentagon takes this sort of thing very seriously. you sign a stack of paperwork when you get your clearance...and one of the things you sign lays it out in great detail: if you write a book or an article for newspapers and the like...you clear it first. if you don't clear it with the Powers That Be, then you risk jail time.


Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.

As long as he does not print classified material he's free to do as he pleases.
 
2012-09-05 05:20:50 PM

sex0r: Haha. Obama all butthurt.


This is why I had your posts showing up in Derptard Red.

Now, we'll both be happier with you on my ignore list.

Well...I'LL be happier.

And that's what's important here.
 
2012-09-05 05:21:49 PM

that was my nickname in highschool: Brilliant marketing move, not submitting it for review. That decision is leading to more publicity than the book itself.


If the Pentagon wins the case, he won't see a single cent of profit and will probably be out quite a lot of money for lawyers and such. So...no. No very smart.
 
2012-09-05 05:22:28 PM

kevinfra: lordaction: You have to admire the sheer hypocrisy of the liberals in this matter. Bradley Manning is a hero to them but the SEAL is a traitor. They are just pissed because they actually thought Obama would get a free pass to say he was responsible for taking out OBL.

I'm a liberal and I never considered Manning to be a hero. He's at Leavenworth, right where he belongs.

As far as the SEAL goes, if should have known better and if he in fact did release classified information in his book, he should take responsiblity for the consequences.


I agree with you on both counts.
 
2012-09-05 05:23:50 PM

Warlordtrooper:

As long as he does not print classified material he's free to do as he pleases.


No, he isn't. You don't have the same rights as a member of the military you have as a civilian, and he signed away even more to get his classified status. He's farked, and you don't understand how the military works.
 
2012-09-05 05:25:48 PM

vartian: Warlordtrooper:

As long as he does not print classified material he's free to do as he pleases.

No, he isn't. You don't have the same rights as a member of the military you have as a civilian, and he signed away even more to get his classified status. He's farked, and you don't understand how the military works.


I'm under the impression that he is out of the military and has moved on to civilian life. If he's still In the military then yes but once he becomes a civilian again the government cannot supress his freedoms.
 
2012-09-05 05:26:40 PM

Amos Quito: Conveniently reminds us that Obama is the that got Osama.

(Even though he didn't do that - somebody ELSE did that!)


Usually when someone posts something like this someone responds with something like "If the raid ended with bin laden chopping off a navy seal's head on al jazeera I'm sure you'd all be so quick to blame the navy seals for screwing up the raid" then the person who made the initial post usually runs away or ignores it and moves on to the next troll... just an fyi
 
2012-09-05 05:41:01 PM

lucksi: Weaver95: As I recall, the Pentagon takes this sort of thing very seriously. you sign a stack of paperwork when you get your clearance...and one of the things you sign lays it out in great detail: if you write a book or an article for newspapers and the like...you clear it first. if you don't clear it with the Powers That Be, then you risk jail time.

Nobody reads those, just sign on the dotted line or click "I accept"


When I was presented with mine to sign, ti came with a nice long lecture.

We were all herded into an auditorium. A full-bird Colonel came out and addressed us, talked for about 5 minutes about what kind of responsibility it meant to hold a security clearance, and the kind of public trust that meant. He then switched to telling just what kind of consequences they could bring on you if you broke that trust.

We were then presented with our SF-312 Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement, and told to read it. In case anybody decided not to read it, somebody read the most relevant parts to us aloud over the PA system. Basically you agree that the government can and will bone you hard if you blab secrets.

Want to read a blank copy of that NDA? Here is is: Link

This was all about a month before the whole Bradley Manning thing broke too. I'd imagine they use him as an example in modern versions of this same lecture.
 
2012-09-05 05:43:43 PM

Warlordtrooper: vartian: Warlordtrooper:

As long as he does not print classified material he's free to do as he pleases.

No, he isn't. You don't have the same rights as a member of the military you have as a civilian, and he signed away even more to get his classified status. He's farked, and you don't understand how the military works.

I'm under the impression that he is out of the military and has moved on to civilian life. If he's still In the military then yes but once he becomes a civilian again the government cannot supress his freedoms.


He signed an agreement when he left the service that he had to let the gov't review anything he was planning on having published -before- it was published. If you go upthread there's a couple posts with links to the document he had to sign.
 
2012-09-05 05:44:44 PM

Carth: Science_Guy_3.14159: The only way I can see him getting out of this is if he gets HUGE public support, the DoD doesn't want to look like the bad guy to a bunch of people. I don't see that happening though.

Yup and he politicized his book just enough that charging him will rally republicans around him claiming persecution.


[Publisher's assistant] "But if we release the book before the Pentagon gives us clearance won't that put the author in legal jeopardy?"

[Publisher] "Who cares? Having the Pentagon make a big deal about the book will make it fly off the shelves, and the political shiatstorm should be enough to cover the author's butt. Even if he does hang for divulging state secrets he's a greedy sell-out so, I say again, who cares?"

[Publisher's assistant] "I love you."

[Publisher] "I know."
 
2012-09-05 05:50:05 PM
Has anyone mentioned that in his contract he signed, and reaffirmed upon discharge with another form that any proceeds from this book are by right the government's? He signed a contract explicitly stating he had to go through the official channels or he can have all money he makes from this book taken by the gov't. So forget the trials, civilian or military court. They just snatch the money in civil court, and guess which party can afford big time lawyers? My guess is a quiet settlement and he goes away with only his pension, with an agreement to avoid any legal penalties or getting busted down to E-1.
 
2012-09-05 05:53:08 PM

Warlordtrooper: vartian: Warlordtrooper:

As long as he does not print classified material he's free to do as he pleases.

No, he isn't. You don't have the same rights as a member of the military you have as a civilian, and he signed away even more to get his classified status. He's farked, and you don't understand how the military works.

I'm under the impression that he is out of the military and has moved on to civilian life. If he's still In the military then yes but once he becomes a civilian again the government cannot supress his freedoms.


You REALLY don't understand how the military works. That SF-312 (or SF-189 or SF-189-A, depending on when he got his clearance) follows you for life.
Further, they can reactivate him at any time since he has specialized training. Also, IIRC, E7s are also subject to that reactivation.
So, yeah, he's boned.
 
2012-09-05 05:57:25 PM

Weaver95: As I recall, the Pentagon takes this sort of thing very seriously. you sign a stack of paperwork when you get your clearance...and one of the things you sign lays it out in great detail: if you write a book or an article for newspapers and the like...you clear it first. if you don't clear it with the Powers That Be, then you risk jail time.


Sue the author; charge him with disclosure of classified information already.

I have no sympathy for a veteran who had access to classified information writing about such for personal gain, be it financial and/or political purposes.

Doing it to inform the American public of deliberate unethical, illegal, and/or disinformation by our government (i.e. the Pentagon Papers) is a higher road, but one must be prepared to pay the piper for doing it still too.

However, the exact details of how Osama bin Laden died during the raid falls into the former category, rather than the latter, IMHO. Basically, the author was trying to Swift Boat Vet the President.
 
2012-09-05 05:59:40 PM
That is some lot of advertising for a book under any circumstances.

A Tip 'O the Hat to publicist.
 
2012-09-05 06:01:54 PM
I guess for one SEAL, it's no easy PAY day.
 
2012-09-05 06:05:33 PM

rufus-t-firefly: trackstr777: I read the book last night. His foreword makes it clear that pretty much any missions or details he discussed, are either already widely reported in the news, or are public knowledge. He changed names, except for high ranking officials (Admiral McRaven, etc.) who are already well known. I'm not in the Pentagon but I didn't have anything scream out at me that it was still confidential knowledge.

As far as technology, he referred to the bin Laden choppers as Blackhawks, and went into no detail about the suspected stealth technology on board. The only semi-shady thing mentioned in the book was that some CIA planners wanted them to bring a "sixty pound box that blocked cell phone signals"; while I don't think our government officially claims to have this tech, it's pretty much been believed for a while. Based on my general knowledge, and what I read ... I think he's going to be alright.

I noticed that he did discuss tactics - he mentioned the infrared chemlights that are thrown down to show an area has been cleared.

That could definitely be used to kill a few SEALs.


That reminds me: I had to apply for a security clearance a while ago, and they made me watch a video about the importance of protecting information. The video described an incident that apparently really happened in which some foreign enemy was able to kill a bunch of U.S. soldiers because they knew about a flaw in some piece of COTS hardware that the troops relied on. An engineer who worked for a defense contractor got into a discussion about that piece of hardware with a foreign agent (of course, he didn't know he was talking to a foreign agent) and revealed that, yes, the military was using it.

Moral of the story: no matter how mundane a bit of information about military technology and methods might seem to be, a clever bad guy may still find a way to kill people with it.
 
2012-09-05 06:15:33 PM

AirForceVet: Doing it to inform the American public of deliberate unethical, illegal, and/or disinformation by our government (i.e. the Pentagon Papers) is a higher road, but one must be prepared to pay the piper for doing it still too.


Funny thing is, if you actually read that SF-312, there is a catch in there, and in Federal Law, about whistleblowing to Congress.

The Pentagon Papers hit it big when they were delivered to Senator Mike Gravel, who read them into the record, which thus had protection under the Speech and Debate Clause of the Constitution.

If you have a classified document, or witness classified activities that are a violation of law or regulation, you do have the legal right under Title 10, U.S.C Section 1034 and DoD Directive 7050.06 to notify not just your Chain of Command, but an appropriate Inspector General's office, or even a Congressman if you feel it necessary. They even briefly mention this little escape clause in the SF-312, a reason to read it.

That's yet another reason I feel zero sympathy for PFC Manning. The white knights for him on the internet who say that he was exposing things don't quite realize he could have gone to a sympathetic Congressman (I'd bet Senator Bernie Sanders would be pretty willing to listen to a whistleblower, for example) and it be completely legal to shortcut the entire Chain of Command that way.

His CoC would have hated his guts, but legally they couldn't touch him. He'd probably be called to testify before Congress, and wouldn't have ended up Court Martialed, but his military career would probably dead end. Instead he thought it was the right thing to do was to give bulk data to a foreign national to dump on the open internet.
 
2012-09-05 06:33:02 PM

Aigoo: b>Karma313th:

You realize that "Mark Owen" is a civilian now, right?

Anything they tried to do legally would go through the federal court system, so he wouldn't have a "military jury."

He spent more than the requisite 8 years in, so it's not like he's on IRR and can be recalled and he didn't have the 20 in to formally retire, so...Safe from being called back there, too.

In short, he's no more answerable to the UCMJ or a military court than the next random guy on the street is.

Know how I know you've never been in the military and probably are talking out your ass?


Might wanna adjust fire there, bud. 9 years active, was planning on making it a career if I hadn't farked up my back.
 
2012-09-05 06:35:54 PM

Silverstaff: lucksi: Weaver95: As I recall, the Pentagon takes this sort of thing very seriously. you sign a stack of paperwork when you get your clearance...and one of the things you sign lays it out in great detail: if you write a book or an article for newspapers and the like...you clear it first. if you don't clear it with the Powers That Be, then you risk jail time.

Nobody reads those, just sign on the dotted line or click "I accept"

When I was presented with mine to sign, ti came with a nice long lecture.

We were all herded into an auditorium. A full-bird Colonel came out and addressed us, talked for about 5 minutes about what kind of responsibility it meant to hold a security clearance, and the kind of public trust that meant. He then switched to telling just what kind of consequences they could bring on you if you broke that trust.

We were then presented with our SF-312 Classified Information Nondisclosure Agreement, and told to read it. In case anybody decided not to read it, somebody read the most relevant parts to us aloud over the PA system. Basically you agree that the government can and will bone you hard if you blab secrets.

Want to read a blank copy of that NDA? Here is is: Link

This was all about a month before the whole Bradley Manning thing broke too. I'd imagine they use him as an example in modern versions of this same lecture.



Weird. I was given mine in a small room with a closed door.and allowed to take all the time I wanted as long as it was one hour or less.
 
2012-09-05 06:41:08 PM
i'm sure he will probably fall down some stairs and die of natural causes
 
2012-09-05 06:44:20 PM

dr_blasto: Karma313th: Violating the NDA can subject you to severe problems on the criminal and civil front, to be sure. However, once you're "out" out, the UCMJ ain't one of them.

I'm calling BS. They repealed DADT.


I wondered how long it would take someone to run with that joke.
 
2012-09-05 06:52:45 PM

dr_blasto: Brick-House: And will the DOJ go after the WH for the information they disclosed for the movie Zero Dark Thirty?

As this is a work of fiction with no proof of any classified information supplied to facilitate its production, what would the DOJ do, exactly?


Work of fiction with no proof of any classifide information supplied, hmmmm...

From the Chicago Tribune:

"According to the records, the Obama administration granted Boal and Bigelow unusual access to agency information in preparation for their film, which was reportedly scheduled for an October, 2012 release, just before the presidential election," the site wrote, noting that "Zero Dark Thirty" will now premiere in December, after the election.
 

I guess its too bad for obummer that potential profits from the holiday movie season won out over trying to get him reelected.
 
2012-09-05 06:58:12 PM

SpectroBoy: radiobiz: I said it in the last thread and I'll say it here, having read the book, I just don't get what all the fuss is about. There didn't seem to be anything particularly revealing in it. The accounts on training and the day to day stuff were cool but not much different than what you read in any military fiction book (Tom Clancy, etc.)

So I learned guys with night vision googles use IR chem lights. I doubt thats a state secret, I just never thought about it.

I suppose the Navy might not like some of the stories about SEALs giving each other the finger and sticking a black dildo in a barrel of animal crackers (you have to read it) but its not like these details are compromising.

Should he have submitted it? Probably but I doubt there's much there the powers that be would really have redacted. But boy it's great publicity isn't it?

Here's the thing. He signed an agreement to vet the document whether or not it contained sensitive data. He's not the one who gets to make the call on what is sensitive. You would be surprised at some seemingly mundane stuff that the government decides is classified.


I don't disagree with that after thinking about it. I'll "walk-back" my statement. He should have submitted it. And he should be appropriately punished for not doing so but I do think that punishment should take into account what if any classified information was actually leaked by his book and meted out accordingly. Yeah, there's got to be a line in the sand and it appears he crossed it by not submitting for review. So I think you have to punish him to set the expectation for others but if you take it too far you risk a massive pr disaster with the American public.

After reading the book my view is colored I suppose. I like the guy based on his autobiography. He does a good job painting a portrait of himself and his teammates and I respect the hell out of them for what they do.

/I blame any typos on auto correct.
/Mr. Clark wouldn't put up with this autocorrect BS.
 
2012-09-05 07:02:28 PM
Something I am curious about, if this goes to civilian court is the only thing the military needs to do is say that is classified, maybe have a few high ranking officials say that in court? Civilians can't just see classified info so they can't be asked to show the original documents because that would potentially reveal even more classified info. I don't think any judge, even SCOTUS, has the right to declassify something; I think they can release it to the public but they can't declassify it.
 
2012-09-05 07:06:22 PM

Joe Blowme: FTA:"The Justice Department would have moved in and shut down the publication of the book," the authors note, adding that the Pentagon's general counselor has "yet to point out specific disclosures."

Does anyone actually think if the Pentagon thought there was actionable secrets reveald this book would have seen the printing press?
Move along, nothing to see here



3.bp.blogspot.com

Oh please, dear. For your information, the Supreme Court has roundly rejected prior restraint.
 
2012-09-05 07:26:08 PM

trackstr777: I read the book last night. His foreword makes it clear that pretty much any missions or details he discussed, are either already widely reported in the news, or are public knowledge. He changed names, except for high ranking officials (Admiral McRaven, etc.) who are already well known. I'm not in the Pentagon but I didn't have anything scream out at me that it was still confidential knowledge.

As far as technology, he referred to the bin Laden choppers as Blackhawks, and went into no detail about the suspected stealth technology on board. The only semi-shady thing mentioned in the book was that some CIA planners wanted them to bring a "sixty pound box that blocked cell phone signals"; while I don't think our government officially claims to have this tech, it's pretty much been believed for a while. Based on my general knowledge, and what I read ... I think he's going to be alright.


Something being "public knowledge" doesn't mean it isn't secret. A lot of people can infer or guess, and experts who don't actually know put stuff out that becomes "public knowledge" him commenting on it can confirm it.

Bottom line is that when he was given secret clearance he knew he wasn't the arbiter of what was secret. Even if he is right, and nothing he talked about wasn't public knowledge (and you only have his word on that) it is still a bad precedent to let some guy go and make that call.

I hope the govt takes every dime he earns, at the very least.
 
2012-09-05 07:30:00 PM

Karma313th: Scuttlebutt is that he got screwed when he started talking about plans for leaving the Navy and his plans for opening a business after he got out.


Out of curiosity, where did you hear that?
 
2012-09-05 07:31:16 PM
Support the troop or support the troops.... Republicans must be in one dill of a pickle!
 
2012-09-05 07:35:23 PM

Brick-House: dr_blasto: Brick-House: And will the DOJ go after the WH for the information they disclosed for the movie Zero Dark Thirty?

As this is a work of fiction with no proof of any classified information supplied to facilitate its production, what would the DOJ do, exactly?

Work of fiction with no proof of any classifide information supplied, hmmmm...

From the Chicago Tribune:

"According to the records, the Obama administration granted Boal and Bigelow unusual access to agency information in preparation for their film, which was reportedly scheduled for an October, 2012 release, just before the presidential election," the site wrote, noting that "Zero Dark Thirty" will now premiere in December, after the election.
 

I guess its too bad for obummer that potential profits from the holiday movie season won out over trying to get him reelected.


My statement stands, dork. Unusual and classified are not synonyms.

Grasp harder, you're sure to get your straw.
 
2012-09-05 07:38:27 PM

liam76: Karma313th: Scuttlebutt is that he got screwed when he started talking about plans for leaving the Navy and his plans for opening a business after he got out.

Out of curiosity, where did you hear that?


I read it here.
 
2012-09-05 07:39:15 PM

Karma313th: dr_blasto: Karma313th: Violating the NDA can subject you to severe problems on the criminal and civil front, to be sure. However, once you're "out" out, the UCMJ ain't one of them.

I'm calling BS. They repealed DADT.

I wondered how long it would take someone to run with that joke.


It had to be done.
 
2012-09-05 07:39:41 PM

dr_blasto: Brick-House: dr_blasto: Brick-House: And will the DOJ go after the WH for the information they disclosed for the movie Zero Dark Thirty?

As this is a work of fiction with no proof of any classified information supplied to facilitate its production, what would the DOJ do, exactly?

Work of fiction with no proof of any classifide information supplied, hmmmm...

From the Chicago Tribune:

"According to the records, the Obama administration granted Boal and Bigelow unusual access to agency information in preparation for their film, which was reportedly scheduled for an October, 2012 release, just before the presidential election," the site wrote, noting that "Zero Dark Thirty" will now premiere in December, after the election.
 

I guess its too bad for obummer that potential profits from the holiday movie season won out over trying to get him reelected.

My statement stands, dork. Unusual and classified are not synonyms.

Grasp harder, you're sure to get your straw.


Yeah, tell it to this guy...

www.toptj.com

A Pakistani doctor who helped the Central Intelligence Agency pin down Osama bin Laden's location under the cover of a vaccination drive was convicted on Wednesday of treason and sentenced to 33 years in prison, a senior official in Pakistan said.
 
2012-09-05 07:42:34 PM

liam76: Karma313th: Scuttlebutt is that he got screwed when he started talking about plans for leaving the Navy and his plans for opening a business after he got out.

Out of curiosity, where did you hear that?


I heard it on the boards over at military.com.

Apparently there's another former SEAL, guy named Brandon Webb, that did some digging and put it out on his site or something like that before the book was released.

Supposedly, he'd talked to some team guys he knows and they said when the guy started talking leaving, they pushed him out, took away "red squadron" from him and more or less started up with the PNG treatment then.
 
2012-09-05 07:43:28 PM
Just staring reading this book tonight... don't tell me how it ends!
 
2012-09-05 07:50:06 PM

Warlordtrooper: Weaver95: As I recall, the Pentagon takes this sort of thing very seriously. you sign a stack of paperwork when you get your clearance...and one of the things you sign lays it out in great detail: if you write a book or an article for newspapers and the like...you clear it first. if you don't clear it with the Powers That Be, then you risk jail time.

Congress shall make no law abridging the freedom of speech.

As long as he does not print classified material he's free to do as he pleases.


um...no. see, when you get a security clearance you sign a non-disclosure agreement. and lemme tell ya - its pretty damn comprehensive. This guy could be in serious trouble. if the Pentagon decides he violated his NDA, he's f*cked. game over, say hello to your cellmate for the next 20 years.
 
2012-09-05 07:50:19 PM

AngryJailhouseFistfark: No, but see, because The Obama isn't legally the President, being foreign muslin, and What Not, all that lawful order business goes out the window and it's Easy Day's patriotic duty, his Constitutional mandate, and What Not, to defend Homeland against this domestic enemy. Whatever else is going on with the DoD is immaterial because the #1 priority is to defend Homeland and anyone who opposes this book, or supports the position of the Pretender to the Presidency, is likewise an enemy of Truth and the Troops, to be neither respected nor obeyed.

Such is this brave man's task.


Is this Chuck Norris?
 
2012-09-05 07:50:39 PM

lifeboat: Just staring reading this book tonight... don't tell me how it ends!


The American puppet Saudi guy dies at the end.
 
2012-09-05 08:09:27 PM

Science_Guy_3.14159: The only way I can see him getting out of this is if he gets HUGE public support, the DoD doesn't want to look like the bad guy to a bunch of people. I don't see that happening though.


WorldNutDaily warehouses are going to be filled with 'em.
 
2012-09-05 08:12:00 PM

radiobiz: liam76: Karma313th: Scuttlebutt is that he got screwed when he started talking about plans for leaving the Navy and his plans for opening a business after he got out.

Out of curiosity, where did you hear that?

I read it here.


Karma313th: liam76: Karma313th: Scuttlebutt is that he got screwed when he started talking about plans for leaving the Navy and his plans for opening a business after he got out.

Out of curiosity, where did you hear that?

I heard it on the boards over at military.com.

Apparently there's another former SEAL, guy named Brandon Webb, that did some digging and put it out on his site or something like that before the book was released.

Supposedly, he'd talked to some team guys he knows and they said when the guy started talking leaving, they pushed him out, took away "red squadron" from him and more or less started up with the PNG treatment then.


Danka.

I am curious if that is SOP. If it wasn't SOP to do that when people started talking about leaving I would have to guess there is more to it. If it is SOP, he shouldn't be getting butt hurt. But I doubt we are going to get a straight story we can trust.
 
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