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(Christian Science Monitor)   Pentagon considering legal action over secrets in "No Easy Day," according to Pentagon spokesman Barbara Streisand   (csmonitor.com) divider line 171
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2012-09-05 02:29:25 PM
As I recall, the Pentagon takes this sort of thing very seriously. you sign a stack of paperwork when you get your clearance...and one of the things you sign lays it out in great detail: if you write a book or an article for newspapers and the like...you clear it first. if you don't clear it with the Powers That Be, then you risk jail time.
 
2012-09-05 02:36:09 PM
Don't do the crime if you can't do the time.
 
2012-09-05 02:39:30 PM
The only way I can see him getting out of this is if he gets HUGE public support, the DoD doesn't want to look like the bad guy to a bunch of people. I don't see that happening though.
 
2012-09-05 03:00:24 PM

Weaver95: As I recall, the Pentagon takes this sort of thing very seriously. you sign a stack of paperwork when you get your clearance...and one of the things you sign lays it out in great detail: if you write a book or an article for newspapers and the like...you clear it first. if you don't clear it with the Powers That Be, then you risk jail time.


True 'nuff. There are any number of people who do heroic stuff for their country, and are expected to take it to their graves. If this book is what it purports to be, I think the author has done a disservice to himself and his peers.

/and may be in a world of legal hurt, too. Rightly so, I guess.
 
2012-09-05 03:12:51 PM
I'll wait for the BDSM fanfic version.
 
2012-09-05 03:14:25 PM

Science_Guy_3.14159: The only way I can see him getting out of this is if he gets HUGE public support, the DoD doesn't want to look like the bad guy to a bunch of people. I don't see that happening though.


Yup and he politicized his book just enough that charging him will rally republicans around him claiming persecution.
 
2012-09-05 03:15:49 PM

WTF Indeed: I'll wait for the BDSM fanfic version.


No Easy Shades?
 
2012-09-05 03:16:20 PM
Of course he'd be a hero to everyone if it was released to Wikileaks.
 
2012-09-05 03:16:57 PM
Oh. This thread again.
 
2012-09-05 03:17:39 PM

Weaver95: As I recall, the Pentagon takes this sort of thing very seriously. you sign a stack of paperwork when you get your clearance...and one of the things you sign lays it out in great detail: if you write a book or an article for newspapers and the like...you clear it first. if you don't clear it with the Powers That Be, then you risk jail time.


Nobody reads those, just sign on the dotted line or click "I accept"
 
2012-09-05 03:18:06 PM
And those millions he will earn, he earned it all on his own. He built the military, the guns he used, the helicopters he flew in on, and all the satellites and rockets put into space to take pictures. Oh, he built those cameras too. When you get rich in the US, it's always a solo venture!
 
2012-09-05 03:18:32 PM

Carth: Science_Guy_3.14159: The only way I can see him getting out of this is if he gets HUGE public support, the DoD doesn't want to look like the bad guy to a bunch of people. I don't see that happening though.

Yup and he politicized his book just enough that charging him will rally republicans around him claiming persecution.


That went right out the window when Fox named him.
 
2012-09-05 03:18:45 PM
What are they going to do? The book has shipped already. If they were serious about this a week ago, they would have stopped the book from shipping. This is just the Pentagon trying to wipe the egg of it's face.
 
2012-09-05 03:19:38 PM
The author would never see a trial. Can you imagine a jury convicting one of the SEALs that took out Osama? yea, neither can I.

not saying what he did was right, just saying I cannot imagine him getting convicted at a jury trial
 
2012-09-05 03:20:24 PM
I'd be more inclined to believe the author's story / pentagon's supposed outrage if the book had pictures. I don't think the PR piece of pseudo-fiction that is sitting on bookshelves right now *actually* threatens our national security in any way... The timing of the book release seems more like a "hey remember how we got this bad guy? Here's a reminder".

/still voting for Obama
 
2012-09-05 03:20:24 PM

Yellow Beard: The author would never see a trial. Can you imagine a jury convicting one of the SEALs that took out Osama? yea, neither can I.

not saying what he did was right, just saying I cannot imagine him getting convicted at a jury trial


Do you think they'd try him in civilian court vs a military tribunal?
 
2012-09-05 03:21:32 PM
991.com

Barbra Streisand was pretty hot back in the day.
 
2012-09-05 03:22:07 PM

Carth: Yellow Beard: The author would never see a trial. Can you imagine a jury convicting one of the SEALs that took out Osama? yea, neither can I.

not saying what he did was right, just saying I cannot imagine him getting convicted at a jury trial

Do you think they'd try him in civilian court vs a military tribunal?


Nah, they'd send him to GITMO
 
2012-09-05 03:22:11 PM

Carth: Science_Guy_3.14159: The only way I can see him getting out of this is if he gets HUGE public support, the DoD doesn't want to look like the bad guy to a bunch of people. I don't see that happening though.

Yup and he politicized his book just enough that charging him will rally republicans around him claiming persecution.


some say he was recruited to write the book.
 
2012-09-05 03:22:18 PM

Yellow Beard: The author would never see a trial. Can you imagine a jury convicting one of the SEALs that took out Osama? yea, neither can I.

not saying what he did was right, just saying I cannot imagine him getting convicted at a jury trial

A CIVILIAN jury trial? Perhaps not. A military tribunal? May be a rather different story...
 
2012-09-05 03:22:47 PM
No, but see, because The Obama isn't legally the President, being foreign muslin, and What Not, all that lawful order business goes out the window and it's Easy Day's patriotic duty, his Constitutional mandate, and What Not, to defend Homeland against this domestic enemy. Whatever else is going on with the DoD is immaterial because the #1 priority is to defend Homeland and anyone who opposes this book, or supports the position of the Pretender to the Presidency, is likewise an enemy of Truth and the Troops, to be neither respected nor obeyed.

Such is this brave man's task.
 
2012-09-05 03:24:10 PM

Yellow Beard: The author would never see a trial. Can you imagine a jury convicting one of the SEALs that took out Osama? yea, neither can I.

not saying what he did was right, just saying I cannot imagine him getting convicted at a jury trial


They'd have a military tribunal, or cook up some administrative procedure to achieve their objectives.
 
2012-09-05 03:24:30 PM
am i a moran? i don't get the babs reference.
 
2012-09-05 03:24:41 PM
Haha. Obama all butthurt.
 
2012-09-05 03:24:50 PM
What are they going to do, take his security clearance away and say he can't be NSW anymore?

How about we all look for some ducks?
 
2012-09-05 03:26:52 PM

vernonFL: Barbra Streisand was pretty hot back in the day.


knee socks do not hot make
 
2012-09-05 03:28:15 PM
Barbara Streisand giving extra publicity to information she'd prefer not to be common knowledge?

If only there was a word for that phenomenon.
 
2012-09-05 03:29:11 PM
Will he get the Bradley Manning treatment?
 
2012-09-05 03:30:14 PM
Special Form 312. You sign it and you are liable for anything you disclose until the day you die or longer.

www.archives.gov/isoo/security-forms/sf312.pdf
 
2012-09-05 03:30:55 PM
And will the DOJ go after the WH for the information they disclosed for the movie Zero Dark Thirty?
 
2012-09-05 03:30:59 PM
"That reminds me of when I was a Navy Seal..."

24.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-09-05 03:32:01 PM
He'll likely get away with it because when it comes right down to it, there are likely few if any truly classified "secrets" in the book, other than the general..."Don't talk about it" and the fact that he did not get pre-publication clearance.

It is not a secret that we use helicopters to get in and out. That there are rehersals and many resources involved. General assault sweep and find tactics are not "secret", even weapons (except those not mentioned ;) are not secret. In general, anyone has yet to stand up and say "This revelation" was secret and gives away an intelligence advantage.

More intelligence was lost a 100 times over in the crashed copter than this "true account"

The same goes for supposed "secrets" leaked by the administration.
 
2012-09-05 03:33:10 PM

Weaver95: As I recall, the Pentagon takes this sort of thing very seriously. you sign a stack of paperwork when you get your clearance...and one of the things you sign lays it out in great detail: if you write a book or an article for newspapers and the like...you clear it first. if you don't clear it with the Powers That Be, then you risk jail time.


Two weeks ago, I was trying to figure out why journalists would treat No Easy Day as accurate since they hadn't read it yet, it was all so secretive -- where were their double sources?

But now it seems the DoD has confirmed via Streisand that the book can be taken seriously.

... Until you realize the book itself is a false flag intended to divert attention away from our capture of Bin Laden and keeping him AND his corpse alive until we negotiate with the greys over the release of the black oil virus.
 
2012-09-05 03:33:16 PM

Pathman: am i a moran? i don't get the babs reference.


If so, I must be a moran too, because I don't get it either.
 
2012-09-05 03:33:35 PM
Brilliant marketing move, not submitting it for review. That decision is leading to more publicity than the book itself.
 
2012-09-05 03:34:06 PM

Yellow Beard: The author would never see a trial. Can you imagine a jury convicting one of the SEALs that took out Osama? yea, neither can I.

not saying what he did was right, just saying I cannot imagine him getting convicted at a jury trial


A military jury? Comprised of people who signed the exact same agreements that he did? Comprised of people who's life he risks by spilling secrets?

yeah, I can see them convicting him.
 
2012-09-05 03:34:10 PM

Cyberluddite: Pathman: am i a moran? i don't get the babs reference.

If so, I must be a moran too, because I don't get it either.


Streisand effect, goggle it.
 
2012-09-05 03:34:36 PM

Pathman: am i a moran? i don't get the babs reference.


Streisand Effect. An attempt to suppress publication of information results in widespread publicity for the suppressed information. Not really applicable here, because I haven't seen anything about attempts to seize the books or prevent distribution--just possible legal action against the author, which isn't really a Streisand Effect kind of thing. Subby was stretching a bit for a clever headline.
Link
 
2012-09-05 03:35:10 PM

netizencain: Of course he'd be a hero to everyone if it was released to Wikileaks.


I don't think so. Where is the soldier who released all that stuff to wikikleaks? A cleb on the cocktail circuit? No, he's in detention at Levenworth awaiting court martial.
 
2012-09-05 03:36:29 PM

Cyberluddite: Pathman: am i a moran? i don't get the babs reference.

If so, I must be a moran too, because I don't get it either.


I don't know if you are morans that's not for me to say but here:

Streisand effect
 
2012-09-05 03:37:03 PM

slat1040: He'll likely get away with it because when it comes right down to it, there are likely few if any truly classified "secrets" in the book, other than the general..."Don't talk about it" and the fact that he did not get pre-publication clearance.


Perhaps there's something that reveals the source of their intel? I dunno, perhaps the whole thing's a clever ruse to confound the Al Qaida.
 
2012-09-05 03:38:39 PM
Has anyone pointed out that Subby spelled Barbra Streisand's name wrong?
 
2012-09-05 03:39:07 PM

Carth: Yellow Beard: The author would never see a trial. Can you imagine a jury convicting one of the SEALs that took out Osama? yea, neither can I.

not saying what he did was right, just saying I cannot imagine him getting convicted at a jury trial

Do you think they'd try him in civilian court vs a military tribunal?


Nope, recall to active duty to stand on the charges. If found guilty, most likely he'd receive a reduction in rank to E-1, forfeiture of all pay, allowances and benefits, dishonorable discharge or general discharge under other than honorable, and confinement of up to 5 years (suspended.) They wouldn't actually jail him and would likely give him a general discharge citing "abuse of a special position of trust" and "acts or omissions that endanger the security of the United States or the health and welfare of other members of the Military Services." In the end, the Pentagon will be able to say "Hey, we followed procedure and justice was served" while the SEAL goes on to say "Hey, where's my royalty check?"
 
2012-09-05 03:39:29 PM

Science_Guy_3.14159: The only way I can see him getting out of this is if he gets HUGE public support, the DoD doesn't want to look like the bad guy to a bunch of people. I don't see that happening though.


Huge public support would make the need to smack him down more urgent.
 
2012-09-05 03:39:38 PM

Carth: Yellow Beard: The author would never see a trial. Can you imagine a jury convicting one of the SEALs that took out Osama? yea, neither can I.

not saying what he did was right, just saying I cannot imagine him getting convicted at a jury trial

Do you think they'd try him in civilian court vs a military tribunal?


From what I have been able to find out in a quick search, he retired as a chief (lower case "c" serves as my opinion of this matter), therefore he isn't actually retired but has been transferred to the Fleet Reserve List. He can be recalled to active service at any time until he has attained thirty years total service time. So, no civilian trial for this guy if the military decides to prosecute.
 
2012-09-05 03:41:21 PM
FTA:"The Justice Department would have moved in and shut down the publication of the book," the authors note, adding that the Pentagon's general counselor has "yet to point out specific disclosures."

Does anyone actually think if the Pentagon thought there was actionable secrets reveald this book would have seen the printing press?
Move along, nothing to see here
 
2012-09-05 03:43:10 PM

The Southern Logic Company: WTF Indeed: I'll wait for the BDSM fanfic version.

No Easy Shades?


I was going to go with '50 Shades of Green' because of the night vision goggles.
 
2012-09-05 03:43:28 PM

Carth: Yellow Beard: The author would never see a trial. Can you imagine a jury convicting one of the SEALs that took out Osama? yea, neither can I.

not saying what he did was right, just saying I cannot imagine him getting convicted at a jury trial

Do you think they'd try him in civilian court vs a military tribunal?


it really wouldn't matter. the public outrage over it wouldn't be worth their trouble. i haven't read the book but I doubt there is really anything in it that is cone of silence worthy
 
2012-09-05 03:43:39 PM
Nicely played, subby.
 
2012-09-05 03:44:47 PM
Babs knows what she is talking about when it comes to the DoD.

She is sometimes their secret weapon

i37.photobucket.com
 
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