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2012-09-05 06:25:34 PM
Oh you poor libs. "Those delegates that agree say I" "iiiiiiiii" "Those that do not agree say NO" "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!" "Alright then, the i's have it." Pathetic. Also, look at the crowd at the convention, it looks like a bunch of unemployed hillbillies. Morons and the Hollywood elite...go LIBS!!!!
 
2012-09-05 06:26:15 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: - he would have said "those" not that if he meant infrastructure.


If you're talking about building roads and bridges and so forth, you'd say, "you didn't build THOSE?"

Seriously?

That's your argument? The problem is your claim simply doesn't roll off the tongue very well. "You didn't build that," simply makes much more rhetorical sense.

So, here's the question I want you answer above all others: are you so invested in the Republican machine that you're willing to lie and invent in order to see them win? If you answer is "yes," the natural follow-up is: why? If your answer is "no," the natural follow-up is: then why are you lying for their benefit?

Interested in your answer even though I realize a person willing to lie up front would also be more than willing to lie in response to my questions.  And, when answering, keep in mind that I am not a Democrat.
 
2012-09-05 06:26:23 PM

I alone am best: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: magusdevil: And the GOP has managed to line up small business owner after small business owner who claim they got there on their own, only to be shown the millions and millions of dollars of government help they got along the way. If the Republicans managed to find one, JUST ONE, s ...

The GOP only has to thank Obama for delivering them that gift of a speech.

The gift of a speech that the Republicans then lied about and it hasn't worked for them?

The RCP average says something is working.


I see the short bus has dropped off its riders.
 
2012-09-05 06:26:35 PM

I alone am best: Romney was just saying that to succeed you need to take a risk which is why he illustrated it with a story. Jimmy John was not going to school, so he took the risk of having to join the military against his wishes because his father attached those conditions on the loan.

Castro took it as "DERRRR You need to borrow money from your parents to succeed."


That's hilarious given the story of how Romney was given Bain Capital with a ludicrous sweetheart deal that, if the company failed, he would not only get his old job at Bain and Company back WITH RAISES, but they would craft a cover story explaining how they valued his consultant skills when he returned so as to not ruin his reputation. Mitt Romney's life is all about not taking risks.
 
2012-09-05 06:26:35 PM

TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.


Tsk tsk! It's 'pedorism'. There's a bear for that.
 
2012-09-05 06:26:52 PM

broktune: Oh you poor libs. "Those delegates that agree say I" "iiiiiiiii" "Those that do not agree say NO" "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!" "Alright then, the i's have it." Pathetic. Also, look at the crowd at the convention, it looks like a bunch of unemployed hillbillies. Morons and the Hollywood elite...go LIBS!!!!


Try again I think you almost made a thought.
 
2012-09-05 06:26:58 PM

Isitoveryet: don't quoting him.


doh!
 
2012-09-05 06:27:03 PM
My wife and I both own our own businesses. She actually employes 5 people. We completely understood what Obama was saying. The roads near her business have just been completely redone. The taxes we pay would never have paid even a fraction of a fraction the cost of those new roads, and the increased business we are getting will reimburse us for all of our past taxes paid. And don't get me started on all the other government services we need to stay in business.

And, what is Obama asking us to pay? About 3-6% more on the business profits over $250,000. The only business owners butthurt by Obama's speech are willfully being obtuse. They were not going to vote for Obama anyway.
 
2012-09-05 06:27:04 PM
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

Obama was referring to the "American system", which is singular, hence, "You didn't build THAT." It was a bit awkward with the "roads and bridges" sentence in-between. Pick your poison. Do you want the man to speak from the heart, and not craft every word precisely for how it could be twisted by desperate opponents? Because when he has done that, Republicans accused him of being an empty teleprompter.

At what point can anyone who has a letter after their name that doesn't match yours do ANYTHING right? America is roughly 50% Republican and 50% Democrat. Thus, the Senate and House will both always be pretty close to that. The presidential elections (popular-vote wise) are all close to that. When are we going to accept that no majority big enough to do ANYTHING will ever realistically exist, and as such, the only way to make ANY progress is to drop the bullshiat and look for common ground?
 
2012-09-05 06:28:51 PM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: It is a lie to claim that it was not in context, just like they whine that the context of Warren's Indian claims are wrong.

Please explain how, in context, Barack Obama said that business owners didn't build their own businesses, rather than, as the context suggests, they didn't build infrastructure that supports their business?

This ought to be interesting.


It won't be...last time someone (me) asked, he just kept insisting that the context this, the context that...

So, apparently, in the context of paranoid, delusional "conservative" fantasy, Obama - excuse me, 0bama - totally farking hates entrepreneurs.
 
2012-09-05 06:30:46 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: The difference is that the build it line was in context.
- he would have said "those" not that if he meant infrastructure.
- antecedents, how do they work?


Let's pretend 10lbsOfDerp has a point. Which of these two sentences make sense?

"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the business"
"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the roads and bridges"

Keep in mind this was a speech about how no one is an island.

What point does the first part of the sentence have? It's nonsensical if "that" isn't referring to the first part of the sentence.

Republican scum like tenpoundsofcheese are such dishonest liars, they have to lie about lying.
 
2012-09-05 06:31:25 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: sabreWulf07: Cletus C.: What Romney said was actually the nice story of a successful businessman.

What Romney said, and what everyone in this thread is trying to point out, is terribly tone deaf and a bit cruel. The overwhelming majority of American youth don't have the option to get a business or student loan from their parents because the overwhelming majority of American parents don't have that kind of money lying around. That's reality for millions of Americans.

\
yeah, about that. Parents cover about 37% of college costs on average. So 20k is not an unreasonable loan when you think about 2nd mortgages or home equity covering it.


Paying 37% across 4-5 years is NOT the same as a $20K lump sum. And who has home equity anymore? My dad has 2 mortgages on his house already, and I'm 32 and still can't afford a down payment.
 
2012-09-05 06:35:25 PM
Off topic, Rush Limbaugh just said that "Obama isn't black because he doesn't have slave-blood". I predict this is going to go well.
 
2012-09-05 06:35:58 PM
Castro said that Romney said to "Borrow money from your parents" to start a business and that that line was indicative of the fact that Romney doesn't really get that that's not an option for a lot of folks.

Check tape: "Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business."

So what's the problem?

Oh, I see the problem, I'm reading a farking NutClusters link.

Yeah, not only do they tell lies all the time often those lies involve other people lying who didn't.

Not enough for them to poison the discourse by telling their own deliberate and carefully crafted lies they have to call every truth uttered a lie as well.

They say "When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail".

The GOP aint even got a hammer.

All they have left is lies.

/Oh, and millions and millions of dollars from the 1%ers to muddy the waters of debate and propagandize the American public into voting against their economic self interests again, so there's that.
 
2012-09-05 06:36:16 PM

LordStormes: Obama was referring to the "American system", which is singular, hence, "You didn't build THAT."


Why are you trying to use logic? TPC is an inveterate liar. Trying to explain the facts to him is like trying to explain General Relativity to your dog: it's a waste of time.

The truth is TPC is completely invested in the Republican noise machine. Either he's being paid by the RNC or he's an idiot.

Paraphrasing here, but you can't use facts to convince someone like TPC because he didn't use facts to come to his conclusion in the first place.

I've restricted myself to asking right wingnuts to explain their position logically.

Not surprisingly, I almost never get a responsive answer.
 
2012-09-05 06:37:00 PM

amiable: Off topic, Rush Limbaugh just said that "Obama isn't black because he doesn't have slave-blood". I predict this is going to go well.


That makes sense, I've been telling people I AM black because I can speak Swahili. Going to go with Rushbo on this one.

//not really
 
2012-09-05 06:37:17 PM
Fwiw it's worth, I completely agree with Mitt Romney's point: if you are fortunate enough to be able to just borrow tens of thousands of dollars to get an education or start a business, you should utilize that resource.

I also agree with the Democrats that it's in the best interests of the country to provide a mechanism that allows access to similar resources for those who might not be as fortunate.
 
2012-09-05 06:37:18 PM

amiable: Off topic, Rush Limbaugh just said that "Obama isn't black because he doesn't have slave-blood". I predict this is going to go well.


oh, that sounds like a cry for attention.

poor fat man.
 
2012-09-05 06:38:03 PM

eraser8: LordStormes: Obama was referring to the "American system", which is singular, hence, "You didn't build THAT."

Why are you trying to use logic? TPC is an inveterate liar. Trying to explain the facts to him is like trying to explain General Relativity to your dog: it's a waste of time.

The truth is TPC is completely invested in the Republican noise machine. Either he's being paid by the RNC or he's an idiot.

Paraphrasing here, but you can't use facts to convince someone like TPC because he didn't use facts to come to his conclusion in the first place.

I've restricted myself to asking right wingnuts to explain their position logically.

Not surprisingly, I almost never get a responsive answer.


True story: In my first week as a dog owner, my ex caught me, bathing the puppy in the bathtub, explaining gravity to him. She told me, "Honey, you're brilliant, and you're going to be a great dad one day. But I doubt the dog gets it."
 
2012-09-05 06:41:49 PM

Isitoveryet: amiable: Off topic, Rush Limbaugh just said that "Obama isn't black because he doesn't have slave-blood". I predict this is going to go well.

oh, that sounds like a cry for attention.

poor fat man.


i.qkme.me
 
2012-09-05 06:50:26 PM

amiable: Off topic, Rush Limbaugh just said that "Obama isn't black because he doesn't have slave-blood". I predict this is going to go well.


SLAVE-BLOOD??!??!?!?

Dear god, just when you think that fool can't say anything more stupid and degenerate, he triples-down.
 
2012-09-05 06:51:09 PM

impaler: tenpoundsofcheese: The difference is that the build it line was in context.
- he would have said "those" not that if he meant infrastructure.
- antecedents, how do they work?

Let's pretend 10lbsOfDerp has a point. Which of these two sentences make sense?

"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the business"
"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the roads and bridges"

Keep in mind this was a speech about how no one is an island.

What point does the first part of the sentence have? It's nonsensical if "that" isn't referring to the first part of the sentence.

Republican scum like tenpoundsofcheese are such dishonest liars, they have to lie about lying.


Would have been simpler if he'd just said this:

"Ask not what you have done for your country, ask what your country has done for you."
 
2012-09-05 06:51:36 PM
Obviously img0.fark.net was out of the room when the Romney chair spoke.
i232.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-05 06:51:39 PM

sweetmelissa31: Castro paraphrases Romney, but what Romney actually said retains its meaning = OUTRAGE


It's the new and quickly oh-so-tired right wing tact of accusing your opponent of the behaviour you model. Decent people avoid these spinning nitwits in the real world.
 
2012-09-05 06:54:13 PM

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Romney uses words that Obama actually said, but completely out of context, therefore changing their implied meaning = fine.

Castro paraphrases Romney, but what Romney actually said retains its meaning = OUTRAGE

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I loved that cartoon.
 
2012-09-05 06:54:28 PM
Rep. Emanuel Cleaver just decided that it had been too quiet in the convention hall up 'till now.
 
2012-09-05 06:55:48 PM

fuhfuhfuh: Mrtraveler01: This is the saddest attempt to spin this lie to date.

Just wanted you to know.

What else would you expect from tenp0unds0fcheese? Facts are not his strong suit.


I have him iggied as "ten pounds of cheese, twenty pounds of stupid"
 
2012-09-05 06:56:24 PM

Cletus C.: impaler: tenpoundsofcheese: The difference is that the build it line was in context.
- he would have said "those" not that if he meant infrastructure.
- antecedents, how do they work?

Let's pretend 10lbsOfDerp has a point. Which of these two sentences make sense?

"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the business"
"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the roads and bridges"

Keep in mind this was a speech about how no one is an island.

What point does the first part of the sentence have? It's nonsensical if "that" isn't referring to the first part of the sentence.

Republican scum like tenpoundsofcheese are such dishonest liars, they have to lie about lying.

Would have been simpler if he'd just said this:

"Ask not what you have done for your country, ask what your country has done for you."


If it's really so obvious that Obama was saying "you didn't build that business" why is the speech so carefully edited every time its shown by the GOP or Fox News? Why not just show the additional 3 seconds? Is it because Republicans are compulsive liars and can't stop themselves? Or are you just full of crap?
 
2012-09-05 06:56:57 PM

Cletus C.: Would have been simpler if he'd just said this:

"Ask not what you have done for your country, ask what your country has done for you."


As I said yesterday, the only person in the world who is successful without their country doing something for them is Somali warlord Mohammed Farah Aidid.
 
2012-09-05 06:58:12 PM

magusdevil: Cletus C.: impaler: tenpoundsofcheese: The difference is that the build it line was in context.
- he would have said "those" not that if he meant infrastructure.
- antecedents, how do they work?

Let's pretend 10lbsOfDerp has a point. Which of these two sentences make sense?

"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the business"
"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the roads and bridges"

Keep in mind this was a speech about how no one is an island.

What point does the first part of the sentence have? It's nonsensical if "that" isn't referring to the first part of the sentence.

Republican scum like tenpoundsofcheese are such dishonest liars, they have to lie about lying.

Would have been simpler if he'd just said this:

"Ask not what you have done for your country, ask what your country has done for you."

If it's really so obvious that Obama was saying "you didn't build that business" why is the speech so carefully edited every time its shown by the GOP or Fox News? Why not just show the additional 3 seconds? Is it because Republicans are compulsive liars and can't stop themselves? Or are you just full of crap?


You know how I know you're not talking about me? Because I posted the whole thing earlier.
 
2012-09-05 06:58:23 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Would have been simpler if he'd just said this:

"Ask not what you have done for your country, ask what your country has done for you."

As I said yesterday, the only person in the world who is successful without their country doing something for them is Somali warlord Mohammed Farah Aidid.


If hard work and intelligence was all it took to succeed no matter what, it wouldn't be called The American Dream, it'd just be called The Dream.
 
2012-09-05 06:59:30 PM

Cletus C.: magusdevil: Cletus C.: impaler: tenpoundsofcheese: The difference is that the build it line was in context.
- he would have said "those" not that if he meant infrastructure.
- antecedents, how do they work?

Let's pretend 10lbsOfDerp has a point. Which of these two sentences make sense?

"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the business"
"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the roads and bridges"

Keep in mind this was a speech about how no one is an island.

What point does the first part of the sentence have? It's nonsensical if "that" isn't referring to the first part of the sentence.

Republican scum like tenpoundsofcheese are such dishonest liars, they have to lie about lying.

Would have been simpler if he'd just said this:

"Ask not what you have done for your country, ask what your country has done for you."

If it's really so obvious that Obama was saying "you didn't build that business" why is the speech so carefully edited every time its shown by the GOP or Fox News? Why not just show the additional 3 seconds? Is it because Republicans are compulsive liars and can't stop themselves? Or are you just full of crap?

You know how I know you're not talking about me? Because I posted the whole thing earlier.


Congratulations you're more intellectually honest than Fox News and the RNC. Also, you're the thinnest kid at fat camp.
 
2012-09-05 07:00:23 PM
rofls, poor conservatives... it would be much easier to claim the Romney quotes were made up if it weren't for that meddling internet with all those videos of him saying them.
 
2012-09-05 07:02:24 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Would have been simpler if he'd just said this:

"Ask not what you have done for your country, ask what your country has done for you."

As I said yesterday, the only person in the world who is successful without their country doing something for them is Somali warlord Mohammed Farah Aidid.


That's not true. His country's government turned a blind eye to warlords in the first place, allowing him to build up enough power to be successful.
 
2012-09-05 07:03:57 PM

magusdevil: Congratulations you're more intellectually honest than Fox News and the RNC. Also, you're the thinnest kid at fat camp.


In that case, I'm liking my chances at the bbw smorgasbord.
 
2012-09-05 07:04:22 PM
Would you people quit bumping this thread??
 
2012-09-05 07:05:12 PM

LordStormes: That's not true. His country's government turned a blind eye to warlords in the first place, allowing him to build up enough power to be successful


His country didn't have a functioning government for about 11 years. Only now are they even starting to have a functioning parliament.
 
2012-09-05 07:05:37 PM

whidbey: Would you people quit bumping this thread??


img835.imageshack.us
 
2012-09-05 07:06:44 PM

Jackson Herring: TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.

It's pederasty, you sick farks


What's a pederast?
 
2012-09-05 07:09:03 PM

magusdevil: Congratulations you're more intellectually honest than Fox News and the RNC


He was still arguing "that" referred to the business. That doesn't make him more intellectually honest. He's just makes him stupid.
 
2012-09-05 07:09:30 PM

Biological Ali: Jackson Herring: TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.

It's pederasty, you sick farks

What's a pederast?


You pederast, I pederanswered.
 
2012-09-05 07:11:19 PM

impaler: magusdevil: Congratulations you're more intellectually honest than Fox News and the RNC

He was still arguing "that" referred to the business. That doesn't make him more intellectually honest. He's just makes him stupid.


He's arguing that in the context of the whole speech the "that" referred to business. That's intellectually honest. It's not intellectually smart, or correct, but at least its honestly stupid.
 
2012-09-05 07:15:36 PM

DarwiOdrade: Castro: "'Borrow money if you have to from your parents,' he told them."
Romney: "Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business."

What's the problem again?


Romney retroactively changed what he said a few days later:

"Take a risk, get the education, start a lemonade stand and hide your profits in an offshore tax shelter".
 
2012-09-05 07:16:52 PM

impaler: He's just makes him stupid.


He's just stupid.
That just makes him stupid.

Damn it.
 
2012-09-05 07:23:16 PM

LordStormes: If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

Obama was referring to the "American system", which is singular, hence, "You didn't build THAT." It was a bit awkward with the "roads and bridges" sentence in-between. Pick your poison. Do you want the man to speak from the heart, and not craft every word precisely for how it could be twisted by desperate opponents? Because when he has done that, Republicans accused him of being an empty teleprompter.

At what point can anyone who has a letter after their name that doesn't match yours do ANYTHING right? America is roughly 50% Republican and 50% Democrat. Thus, the Senate and House will both always be pretty close to that. The presidential elections (popular-vote wise) are all close to that. When are we going to accept that no majority big enough to do ANYTHING will ever realistically exist, and as such, the only way to make ANY progress is to drop the bullshiat and look for common ground?


There's always voter suppression...
 
2012-09-05 07:23:59 PM

bdub77: Not out of context. Perfectly in context. Romney told people they should borrow money from their parents if they have to, either for educational purposes or to start a business. And Castro's point was, not everyone has Daddy Warbucks as a father.


RyogaM: I thought he meant borrow money for college, which, yeah, stupid, because it assumes everyone's got parents that have money lying around. But, now, good lord, the stupid has been kicked up into high gear. I never knew he advised high school graduates to borrow tens of thousands from their parents to start a new business. That's just completely, retardedly, wildly irresponsible. Might as well tell kids to screw college and start a band 'cause then all the chicks will dig you. Also, try blow.


<speak mode="sarcasm" level="dripping" voice="LeonardNimoy">Well, then, if your father isn't independently wealthy, just do what Romney did and persuade some random local businessman to sponsor your education and early employment!</speak>
 
2012-09-05 07:25:06 PM
Is the author retarded?
 
2012-09-05 07:28:14 PM

Pocket Ninja: MrBallou: So One = Several in derpmitter math?

Thomas Edison, after inventing the telephone, was asked what he thought it would mean for society to have at their fingertips such easy means of communicating over long distance. He replied, after a short period of contemplation, that he was both excited and unnerved at what his invention might mean. Why excited? asked the interviewer, to which Mr. Edison replied, "We are at the threshold of an age when all information -- be it for good or ill, be it truth or lie -- is at our fingertips." Why, then, unnerved? "Because I am afraid that the lies will have a way of overtaking the truth," he replied.

Interestingly, some decades later, noted Nazi propagandist Joseph "Frank" Goebbels loosely paraphrased Edison when he said, "The real truth is that 100 truths will always lose the race to a single lie."

All of which is to say that, where lies are concerned, the difference between one and one million is of no consequence, in the end. Roosevelt said that, by the way.


Edison inventing the telephone is no more, nor no less factual than anything Romney has uttered.
 
2012-09-05 07:29:17 PM

COMALite J: bdub77: Not out of context. Perfectly in context. Romney told people they should borrow money from their parents if they have to, either for educational purposes or to start a business. And Castro's point was, not everyone has Daddy Warbucks as a father.

RyogaM: I thought he meant borrow money for college, which, yeah, stupid, because it assumes everyone's got parents that have money lying around. But, now, good lord, the stupid has been kicked up into high gear. I never knew he advised high school graduates to borrow tens of thousands from their parents to start a new business. That's just completely, retardedly, wildly irresponsible. Might as well tell kids to screw college and start a band 'cause then all the chicks will dig you. Also, try blow.

<speak mode="sarcasm" level="dripping" voice="LeonardNimoy">Well, then, if your father isn't independently wealthy, just do what Romney did and persuade some random local businessman to sponsor your education and early employment!</speak>


25.media.tumblr.com
I can make that work.
 
2012-09-05 07:34:34 PM
So, wait a second, the argument is that the 'if you need to' makes the 'borrow money from your parents' part less stupid? I'll be LUCKY to pay for my kids college education even WITH taking equity out of my home. Am I supposed to tap into my retirement nest-egg, such that it is, too?

I got a few thousand dollars from my parents after high school... total. And they are GREAT parents. The idea that borrowing money, even 'if you have to', from your parents to start a business is a viable option for large swaths of the American population is about as out of touch as you can get.
 
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