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2012-09-05 03:53:48 PM
Ads. Take out ads. Damn it.
 
2012-09-05 03:57:10 PM

DarwiOdrade: Castro: "'Borrow money if you have to from your parents,' he told them."
Romney: "Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business."

What's the problem again?


It's unfair to use their exact words against them.
 
2012-09-05 03:59:59 PM

Kome: DarwiOdrade: Castro: "'Borrow money if you have to from your parents,' he told them."
Romney: "Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business."

What's the problem again?

It's unfair to use their exact words against them.



"Any ad which quotes what I said Sunday is a falsehood." ~Newt Gingrich
 
2012-09-05 04:06:49 PM
I'm sure this derptorial will dispel the notion that Romney is an out of touch rich guy who can't relate.
 
2012-09-05 04:09:48 PM

FloydA: "Any ad which quotes what I said Sunday is a falsehood." ~Newt Gingrich


That was not meant to be a factual statement. Or presidential run.
 
2012-09-05 04:17:44 PM
In other words, if they don't have any food, let them eat cake.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-05 04:25:57 PM
"Sometimes I kick homeless people to death to get an erection"- Mitt Romney, Sunday, July 22nd, 2012 Meet The Press
 
2012-09-05 04:27:49 PM

Ed Finnerty: mediablitz: Key Note? Like it's two words?

Subby is THAT stupid? Well, he bought this bullshiat article, so I'm being redundant...

The stupidity around this place really bottles the mind.


It's "boggles". Don't worry, people make that mistake alot.
 
2012-09-05 04:29:24 PM

Calmamity: Ed Finnerty: mediablitz: Key Note? Like it's two words?

Subby is THAT stupid? Well, he bought this bullshiat article, so I'm being redundant...

The stupidity around this place really bottles the mind.

It's "boggles". Don't worry, people make that mistake alot.


I could care less about any of this pedantry.
 
2012-09-05 04:35:48 PM

what_now: "Sometimes I kick homeless people to death to get an erection"- Mitt Romney, Sunday, July 22nd, 2012 Meet The Press


That was taken out of context.

Full quote:

"I haven't done it very often but sometimes I kick homeless people to death to get an erection. I suppose some of them might have survived. Hard to say."
 
2012-09-05 04:50:11 PM

Pocket Ninja: MrBallou: So One = Several in derpmitter math?

Thomas Edison, after inventing the telephone, was asked what he thought it would mean for society to have at their fingertips such easy means of communicating over long distance. He replied, after a short period of contemplation, that he was both excited and unnerved at what his invention might mean. Why excited? asked the interviewer, to which Mr. Edison replied, "We are at the threshold of an age when all information -- be it for good or ill, be it truth or lie -- is at our fingertips." Why, then, unnerved? "Because I am afraid that the lies will have a way of overtaking the truth," he replied.

Interestingly, some decades later, noted Nazi propagandist Joseph "Frank" Goebbels loosely paraphrased Edison when he said, "The real truth is that 100 truths will always lose the race to a single lie."

All of which is to say that, where lies are concerned, the difference between one and one million is of no consequence, in the end. Roosevelt said that, by the way.


It's comments like this that are why I have you marked with green highlighter.
 
2012-09-05 04:51:11 PM

WorldCitizen: Yeah, for the Republicans to biatch about taking things out of context, they first have to take out adds every hour of the day apologizing for the "you didn't build that" propaganda.

No, neither side should do it. It sucks when either side does it. But seriously, Republicans? Seriously? You should just keep your heads down and mouths shut about taking things out of context if you have any shame at all.

/I know, you don't.


Please, we both know they are the party of victims.
 
2012-09-05 04:51:29 PM

what_now: "Sometimes I kick homeless people to death to get an erection"- Mitt Romney, Sunday, July 22nd, 2012 Meet The Press


"When I was heading Bain, we seriously considered rounding up illegal aliens and processing them into food. But we realized our resplendent lawns and gardens wouldn't tend themselves." - Mitt Romney, Wednesday, April 18, 2012 Cavuto on Business
 
2012-09-05 04:52:41 PM

impaler: timujin: It seems, perhaps, that Romney was saying "borrow money from your parents" not to start a business, but to go to school.

Tough to say.

Romney: We've always encouraged young people take it, take a shot, go for it. Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business.

I was with a guy named Jimmy John. I've met Jimmy John. Jimmy John, hope I get the story entirely right, I think I will, he graduated from high school, and he didn't want to go to college. And he said to his Dad can I borrow some money I want to start a business. His dad said, "I just don't think you've got the discipline to start a business and make it work." And he said, "I'll loan you the money but if you can't pay it back with interest by the end of the year I want you to go into the military and sign up." And he said, "Okay I'll do that."




Some of romney's best friends are the CEO of Jimmy John's
 
2012-09-05 05:05:11 PM

Calmamity: Ed Finnerty: mediablitz: Key Note? Like it's two words?

Subby is THAT stupid? Well, he bought this bullshiat article, so I'm being redundant...

The stupidity around this place really bottles the mind.

It's "boggles". Don't worry, people make that mistake alot allot.



FTFY
 
2012-09-05 05:31:26 PM
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-05 05:39:48 PM

Three Crooked Squirrels: Then I read the Newsbusters article and realized, nope, not made up at all. Not a lie, not taken out of context. I guess I did just miss this the first time around.


Considering how much chunky vomit Romney sprays onto the internet every time he opens his mouth, it's pretty forgivable to not pay too much attention to the watery hiccups.
 
2012-09-05 05:40:42 PM
NewsBusters == lies.
 
2012-09-05 05:41:02 PM
She certainly won't be getting MY vote for president!
 
2012-09-05 05:42:29 PM
So where are the rest of the "several" false statements? The story only rings up one, and then promptly backs the statement up, so really you have "several"="none" at this point, subby.

/just because Romney makes shiat up out of thin air, it doesn't mean that you can get away with it on Fark.
 
2012-09-05 05:43:48 PM
the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.
 
2012-09-05 05:44:17 PM

timujin: It seems, perhaps, that Romney was saying "borrow money from your parents" not to start a business, but to go to school.


Nope, his Jimmy Johns story is specifically about someone who didn't want to go to school, so his message really is 'Fark school, borrow money from your parents, and you too can be a super successful businessman.'.
 
2012-09-05 05:44:30 PM
BSABSVR/IOKIYAR.
 
2012-09-05 05:44:41 PM
Every Romney quote is out of context since he changes his position every five seconds.
 
2012-09-05 05:46:01 PM

relcec: the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.


Since when were standardized tests a good metric of intelligence and skill?
 
2012-09-05 05:46:50 PM

Serious Black: relcec: the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.

Since when were standardized tests a good metric of intelligence and skill?


wtf are you tlaking about? you saying he took an IQ test and that is why he got in?
 
2012-09-05 05:47:49 PM

Vodka Zombie: What is with all the Republican whining today?


It's going to be a whinefest for the next 2 months, followed by 4 years of this:
t2.gstatic.com

And lots and lots of this:
www.allhatnocattle.net
 
2012-09-05 05:48:13 PM

make me some tea: Drew's trolling the Politics tab today I see.


Why should today be different from any other?
 
2012-09-05 05:48:21 PM
It's a good thing you're here to make sure both sides are represented on Fark, subby. May we never forget what a bunch of spaztards you conservatives are.

Keep fighting to reveal the truth that the liberal drive by ldbmsm lame stream media won't talk about.
 
2012-09-05 05:50:22 PM

relcec: Serious Black: relcec: the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.

Since when were standardized tests a good metric of intelligence and skill?

wtf are you tlaking about? you saying he took an IQ test and that is why he got in?


No, my point is that saying somebody didn't perform ridiculously well on a standardized test means nothing to whether they will be a great student in college and, eventually, a great businessman/scientist/lawyer/whatever, so arguing that he got an unearned opportunity because he was only in the 80th percentile for SAT scores is a dumb argument.
 
2012-09-05 05:50:38 PM
newsbusters.orgi14.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-05 05:52:43 PM
Fair and Balanced: fark news
 
2012-09-05 05:52:59 PM

bdub77: Not out of context. Perfectly in context. Romney told people they should borrow money from their parents if they have to, either for educational purposes or to start a business. And Castro's point was, not everyone has Daddy Warbucks as a father.

Here's what he said entirely in context:

Unimportant filler:
Even now I believe you're watching the president who has trying to deflect and divert. From his record by trying to find ways to, if you will, attack fellow Americans. Between rich and poor and other dimensions. This kind of divisiveness, this attack of success, is very different than what we've seen in our country's history.

What he said about getting an education:
We've always encouraged young people take it, take a shot, go for it. Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business.

That's exactly what he said. Borrow money from your family if you don't already have it (from your trust fund, I assume) either for business or education. Well you can borrow money if you're a student (which has kind of become a problem, look at the student loan bubble) but you definitely aren't going to get a small business loan unless you've already got collateral worth basically the amount of the loan. I don't know any 18 year olds with that kind of money.

Start a business. Well you need money to start a business, as he points out below. Here is his example, a guy who borrowed from his dad:
I was with a guy named Jimmy John. I've met Jimmy John. Jimmy John, hope I get the story entirely right, I think I will, he graduated from high school, and he didn't want to go to college. And he said to his Dad can I borrow some money I want to start a business. His dad said, "I just don't think you've got the discipline to start a business and make it work." And he said, "I'll loan you the money but if you can't pay it back with interest by the end of the year I want you to go into the military and sign up." And he said, "Okay I'll do that." ...


I thought he meant borrow money for college, which, yeah, stupid, because it assumes everyone's got parents that have money lying around. But, now, good lord, the stupid has been kicked up into high gear. I never knew he advised high school graduates to borrow tens of thousands from their parents to start a new business. That's just completely, retardedly, wildly irresponsible. Might as well tell kids to screw college and start a band 'cause then all the chicks will dig you. Also, try blow.
 
2012-09-05 05:56:04 PM

Serious Black: relcec: Serious Black: relcec: the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.

Since when were standardized tests a good metric of intelligence and skill?

wtf are you tlaking about? you saying he took an IQ test and that is why he got in?

No, my point is that saying somebody didn't perform ridiculously well on a standardized test means nothing to whether they will be a great student in college and, eventually, a great businessman/scientist/lawyer/whatever, so arguing that he got an unearned opportunity because he was only in the 80th percentile for SAT scores is a dumb argument.


He's trolling for the affirmative action argument. Obviously the guy succeeded and then went on to Harvard. It's totally like having your dad as the president of AMC.
 
2012-09-05 05:56:51 PM

RyogaM: I thought he meant borrow money for college, which, yeah, stupid, because it assumes everyone's got parents that have money lying around. But, now, good lord, the stupid has been kicked up into high gear. I never knew he advised high school graduates to borrow tens of thousands from their parents to start a new business. That's just completely, retardedly, wildly irresponsible. Might as well tell kids to screw college and start a band 'cause then all the chicks will dig you. Also, try blow.


I tried blow once. I wouldn't recommend it. Ended up with two different types of gonorrhea, three types of hepatitis, and super-AIDS.
 
2012-09-05 05:58:17 PM

relcec: the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.


You have nowhere to turn. The party on the right has fallen to extremes you can't stomach. The party on the left is repulsive to you. A man who gets into Stanford with a 1200 SAT fills your heart with black resentment. You can find no joy in his good fortune, yet you can't find joy in hating it either.

You are lost, relcec.
 
2012-09-05 05:59:04 PM

Fart_Machine: Serious Black: relcec: Serious Black: relcec: the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.

Since when were standardized tests a good metric of intelligence and skill?

wtf are you tlaking about? you saying he took an IQ test and that is why he got in?

No, my point is that saying somebody didn't perform ridiculously well on a standardized test means nothing to whether they will be a great student in college and, eventually, a great businessman/scientist/lawyer/whatever, so arguing that he got an unearned opportunity because he was only in the 80th percentile for SAT scores is a dumb argument.

He's trolling for the affirmative action argument. Obviously the guy succeeded and then went on to Harvard. It's totally like having your dad as the president of AMC.


It's not like Castro is hiding "low" scores or anything, either. He holds it up as an affirmative action success story. From Wiki:

Castro has credited affirmative action for his admission into Stanford, telling The New York Times, "Joaquín and I got into Stanford because of affirmative action. I scored 1210 on my SATs, which was lower than the median matriculating student. But I did fine in college and in law school. So did Joaquín. I'm a strong supporter of affirmative action because I've seen it work in my own life".[5] Castro entered Harvard Law School in 1997 and graduated with a Juris Doctor in 2000.[11][12] His brother graduated from both schools with him.[4]
 
2012-09-05 05:59:51 PM

Karac: I don't think there is anything that Romney has not said at one time or another. Let's test this.

Newsbuster headline: Will Media Fact-Check Castro's Line About Romney Telling Students to Borrow Money From Parents?
Newsbusters own Romney quote: Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business.

Yep, I was right. My other theory, that Newsbusters is always full of shiat, is also still to be disproven.


Plus, there's a big difference between paraphrasing (i.e., condensing a quote for the essence) and lying (making up something that was never said by anyone at any time) and cherry-picking (selecting a few words from a quote and using them out of context or with no context).

Here's what Romney actually said: We've always encouraged young people take it, take a shot, go for it. Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business.

Here's what Castro actually said: Start a business," he said. But how? "Borrow money if you have to from your parents," he told them. Gee, why didn't I think of that?

Romney actually did say that kids wanting to start a business had the option to borrow money from their parents to do so. He actually did say that. So the question then becomes, did Castro lie, cherrypick, or paraphrase? The answer depends on entirely how your handlers tell you to spin it. It looks to me like he merely paraphrased with some hyperbole for effect; possibly he cherry-picked for added emphasis; but he definitely didn't make shiat up, as the headline claims. Romney did in fact say "borrow money from your parents...start a business."
 
2012-09-05 06:00:09 PM
Hypocritical doesn't even begin to capture this predictable and tiring farklib shadow boxing. What Romney said was clearly twisted out of context. What Romney said was actually the nice story of a successful businessman.

Yet the distortion and lies Castro applied to that story earn full-throat defense here. Pathetic.

Here is what Obama said, by the way. With full context.

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we funded the G.I. Bill. That's how we created the middle class. That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That's how we invented the Internet. That's how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You're not on your own, we're in this together."
 
2012-09-05 06:00:12 PM
So Castro claimed Romeny said something that he did actually say? That's outr... huh?
 
2012-09-05 06:00:31 PM

Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.


It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.
 
2012-09-05 06:02:33 PM
I don't say this often (or I suppose enough) but here it goes...
Cry Moar!
 
2012-09-05 06:02:46 PM

ivan: You have nowhere to turn. The party on the right has fallen to extremes you can't stomach. The party on the left is repulsive to you. A man who gets into Stanford with a 1200 SAT fills your heart with black resentment. You can find no joy in his good fortune, yet you can't find joy in hating it either.

You are lost, relcec.


Why's it got to be black?

/seriously, Castro made up one quote
//turns out Romney actually stated said quote
///ergo: he made up zero quotes
////is the math this hard?
 
2012-09-05 06:02:59 PM
FTA:
"As you can see, in its full context, Romney was talking about encouraging young people to "take a shot" and "take a risk" and borrow money from parents "if you have to" to "start a business."

LMAO... so now context is GOOD? WTF, guys? Make up your mind!

Although to be fair, deliberately taking a comment out of context is not cool, no matter who does it. Castro gave a great speech, but he should not have done that (if it's true... I haven't checked other sites yet).
 
2012-09-05 06:03:08 PM
Of course this isn't worthy of the so called "fact checkers" time

No it isn't, and fark the Republican party.
 
2012-09-05 06:03:23 PM
Whoever wrote that article has no reading comprehension.
 
2012-09-05 06:03:28 PM

Cletus C.: Hypocritical doesn't even begin to capture this predictable and tiring farklib shadow boxing. What Romney said was clearly twisted out of context. What Romney said was actually the nice story of a successful businessman.

Yet the distortion and lies Castro applied to that story earn full-throat defense here. Pathetic.

Here is what Obama said, by the way. With full context.

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we funded the G.I. Bill. That's how we created the middle class. That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That's how we invented the Internet. That's how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You're not on your own, we're in this together."


So your point is you fail at reading comprehension?
 
2012-09-05 06:03:43 PM

TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.


It's I "couldn't" care less. Also a common mistake.
 
2012-09-05 06:03:46 PM
Damn fact checkers will probably just go ahead and say something like:

You mean this quote?

And be all smug about it.
 
2012-09-05 06:04:34 PM

SanjiSasuke: Damn fact checkers will probably just go ahead and say something like:

You mean this quote?

And be all smug about it.


(to clarify of course I realize they are saying it is out of context, and that they posted the video)
 
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