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2012-09-05 01:54:30 PM  
"You didn't build that."

I guess sound bite isolation from context and cherry-picking is only OK if you're Republican.
 
2012-09-05 01:55:58 PM  
www.parentsconnect.com
 
2012-09-05 01:57:26 PM  
So One = Several in derpmitter math?
 
2012-09-05 01:57:58 PM  
I don't think there is anything that Romney has not said at one time or another. Let's test this.

Newsbuster headline: Will Media Fact-Check Castro's Line About Romney Telling Students to Borrow Money From Parents?
Newsbusters own Romney quote: Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business.

Yep, I was right. My other theory, that Newsbusters is always full of shiat, is also still to be disproven.
 
2012-09-05 01:59:09 PM  
photos.imageevent.com
 
2012-09-05 01:59:44 PM  
Yeah, I watched the video and I don't really see a problem with what Castro said.
Romney: "...borrow money, if you have to, from your parents." then he went on to tell about someone who borrowed $20,000 from his father.
Castro quoting Romney: the exact goddamn thing. And it wasn't taken out if context like the whole " you didn't build that" bs.
 
2012-09-05 02:00:06 PM  

Karac: Newsbuster headline: Will Media Fact-Check Castro's Line About Romney Telling Students to Borrow Money From Parents?
Newsbusters own Romney quote: Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business.


lol. hoisted by their own petard!
 
2012-09-05 02:02:49 PM  

Given all the scrutiny presenters got for their addresses at last week's Republican National Convention, *sniffle* one has to wonder if the press will fact-check the following section of Castro's speech...

"A few months ago he visited a university in Ohio and gave the students there a little entrepreneurial advice. 'Start a business,' he said. But how? 'Borrow money if you have to from your parents,' he told them. Gee, why didn't I think of that? Some people are lucky enough to borrow money from their parents"
...
As you can see, in its full context, Romney was talking about encouraging young people to "take a shot" and "take a risk" and borrow money from parents "if you have to" to "start a business."

Such borrowing was intended as a last resort and not the business model Castro implied.


FFS. "Out of context" does not mean "words preceded or followed the quote" you damn ignoramus. I'm failing to see how the "full context" changes anything.
 
2012-09-05 02:06:28 PM  
Romney uses words that Obama actually said, but completely out of context, therefore changing their implied meaning = fine.

Castro paraphrases Romney, but what Romney actually said retains its meaning = OUTRAGE
 
2012-09-05 02:06:35 PM  

MrBallou: So One = Several in derpmitter math?


Thomas Edison, after inventing the telephone, was asked what he thought it would mean for society to have at their fingertips such easy means of communicating over long distance. He replied, after a short period of contemplation, that he was both excited and unnerved at what his invention might mean. Why excited? asked the interviewer, to which Mr. Edison replied, "We are at the threshold of an age when all information -- be it for good or ill, be it truth or lie -- is at our fingertips." Why, then, unnerved? "Because I am afraid that the lies will have a way of overtaking the truth," he replied.

Interestingly, some decades later, noted Nazi propagandist Joseph "Frank" Goebbels loosely paraphrased Edison when he said, "The real truth is that 100 truths will always lose the race to a single lie."

All of which is to say that, where lies are concerned, the difference between one and one million is of no consequence, in the end. Roosevelt said that, by the way.
 
2012-09-05 02:07:56 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Romney uses words that Obama actually said, but completely out of context, therefore changing their implied meaning = fine.

Castro paraphrases Romney, but what Romney actually said retains its meaning = OUTRAGE


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2012-09-05 02:10:41 PM  

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Romney uses words that Obama actually said, but completely out of context, therefore changing their implied meaning = fine.

Castro paraphrases Romney, but what Romney actually said retains its meaning = OUTRAGE

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j.wigflip.com
 
2012-09-05 02:10:46 PM  
again, all I hear from Republicans this entire election, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
 
2012-09-05 02:11:21 PM  

Diogenes: "You didn't build that."

I guess sound bite isolation from context and cherry-picking is only OK if you're Republican.


HA!

Except of course, when Romney said "borrow money from your parents" he actually meant borrow money from your parents.
 
2012-09-05 02:11:40 PM  

Diogenes: "You didn't build that."

I guess sound bite isolation from context and cherry-picking is only OK if you're Republican.


done in one.

the only difference is, castro got the essence of romney's quote right, and the GOP completely misrepresented the obama quote.
 
2012-09-05 02:12:56 PM  
Castro accurately quoted Romney. Why the moral outrage??

It must be because Castro actually told THE TRUTH.
 
2012-09-05 02:13:09 PM  
Where do they find these mongs?
All of their correspondents look like premies

newsbusters.orgi2.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-09-05 02:17:35 PM  

impaler: FFS. "Out of context" does not mean "words preceded or followed the quote" you damn ignoramus. I'm failing to see how the "full context" changes anything.


Republicans like to use the phrase "out of context" when they mean, "harmful to our candidate."
 
2012-09-05 02:19:24 PM  
Drew's trolling the Politics tab today I see.
 
2012-09-05 02:19:55 PM  
Subby, does your vagina hurt?
 
2012-09-05 02:20:27 PM  

impaler: Given all the scrutiny presenters got for their addresses at last week's Republican National Convention, *sniffle* one has to wonder if the press will fact-check the following section of Castro's speech...

"A few months ago he visited a university in Ohio and gave the students there a little entrepreneurial advice. 'Start a business,' he said. But how? 'Borrow money if you have to from your parents,' he told them. Gee, why didn't I think of that? Some people are lucky enough to borrow money from their parents"
...
As you can see, in its full context, Romney was talking about encouraging young people to "take a shot" and "take a risk" and borrow money from parents "if you have to" to "start a business."

Such borrowing was intended as a last resort and not the business model Castro implied.

FFS. "Out of context" does not mean "words preceded or followed the quote" you damn ignoramus. I'm failing to see how the "full context" changes anything.


It seems, perhaps, that Romney was saying "borrow money from your parents" not to start a business, but to go to school. He also said, "start a business."

It doesn't change the point, nor does it make Castro's point irrelevant, but it's enough to get the 'tards at NewsBuster's all in a tizzy and that, at least, makes me chuckle.
 
2012-09-05 02:20:45 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Except of course, when Romney said "borrow money from your parents" he actually meant borrow money from your parents.


But he MEANT 'borrow money from your parents only as a last resort.'

See? TOTALLY different meaning.
 
2012-09-05 02:21:32 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Romney uses words that Obama actually said, but completely out of context, therefore changing their implied meaning = fine.

Castro paraphrases Romney, but what Romney actually said retains its meaning = OUTRAGE


Both sides are bad, vote Derpmenistan.
 
2012-09-05 02:22:59 PM  

make me some tea: Drew's trolling the Politics tab today I see.


Today?
 
2012-09-05 02:23:32 PM  

FlashHarry: Diogenes: "You didn't build that."

I guess sound bite isolation from context and cherry-picking is only OK if you're Republican.

done in one.

the only difference is, castro got the essence of romney's quote right, and the GOP completely misrepresented the obama quote.


And yet that 'quote' has been good for a sh*t-ton of miles. It's firmly lodged in the brain of every low-info voter out there.

You don't even have to be a liberal to see how cheap the "you didn't build that" debacle is. It's a low point of politics, not much higher than swiftboating. But the 'quote' as defined by Republicans is now the gospel truth.
 
2012-09-05 02:25:12 PM  
Oh, also, it's "keynote," subby, not "Key Note."
 
2012-09-05 02:27:01 PM  
What is with all the Republican whining today?
 
2012-09-05 02:28:03 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Lionel Mandrake: Except of course, when Romney said "borrow money from your parents" he actually meant borrow money from your parents.

But he MEANT 'borrow money from your parents only as a last resort.'

See? TOTALLY different meaning.


OK, let me check Romney's quote. Seems he's telling some anecdote of a guy who as a first and only resort borrowed $20,000 from pops to start a sub shop. Newsbusters is complaining about somebody quoting Romney out of context by saying the proper context is something that is flat-out unsupported by what he actually said in any context.

Again, my newsbusters = pile of shiat theory waiting to be disproven.
 
2012-09-05 02:29:29 PM  
The beauty of making up Romney quotes is that, due to his quantum nature, he will say them eventually

/if he hasn't already
//retroactively
 
2012-09-05 02:30:48 PM  

Vodka Zombie: What is with all the Republican whining today?


Today?
 
2012-09-05 02:32:03 PM  

timujin: It seems, perhaps, that Romney was saying "borrow money from your parents" not to start a business, but to go to school.


Tough to say.

Romney: We've always encouraged young people take it, take a shot, go for it. Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business.

I was with a guy named Jimmy John. I've met Jimmy John. Jimmy John, hope I get the story entirely right, I think I will, he graduated from high school, and he didn't want to go to college. And he said to his Dad can I borrow some money I want to start a business. His dad said, "I just don't think you've got the discipline to start a business and make it work." And he said, "I'll loan you the money but if you can't pay it back with interest by the end of the year I want you to go into the military and sign up." And he said, "Okay I'll do that."
 
2012-09-05 02:37:01 PM  

Kome: Vodka Zombie: What is with all the Republican whining today?

Today?


I see I'm not needed here.
 
2012-09-05 02:42:23 PM  
Not out of context. Perfectly in context. Romney told people they should borrow money from their parents if they have to, either for educational purposes or to start a business. And Castro's point was, not everyone has Daddy Warbucks as a father.

Here's what he said entirely in context:

Unimportant filler:
Even now I believe you're watching the president who has trying to deflect and divert. From his record by trying to find ways to, if you will, attack fellow Americans. Between rich and poor and other dimensions. This kind of divisiveness, this attack of success, is very different than what we've seen in our country's history.

What he said about getting an education:
We've always encouraged young people take it, take a shot, go for it. Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business.

That's exactly what he said. Borrow money from your family if you don't already have it (from your trust fund, I assume) either for business or education. Well you can borrow money if you're a student (which has kind of become a problem, look at the student loan bubble) but you definitely aren't going to get a small business loan unless you've already got collateral worth basically the amount of the loan. I don't know any 18 year olds with that kind of money.

Start a business. Well you need money to start a business, as he points out below. Here is his example, a guy who borrowed from his dad:
I was with a guy named Jimmy John. I've met Jimmy John. Jimmy John, hope I get the story entirely right, I think I will, he graduated from high school, and he didn't want to go to college. And he said to his Dad can I borrow some money I want to start a business. His dad said, "I just don't think you've got the discipline to start a business and make it work." And he said, "I'll loan you the money but if you can't pay it back with interest by the end of the year I want you to go into the military and sign up." And he said, "Okay I'll do that."

Good for JJ. I love his sandwiches. But he got money from his dad, even with the military stipulations in it. This is all love for JJ, he took a risk which paid off.

Then he points out how much money you really need to start most businesses:
And I think he said he borrowed 20,000 dollars from his dad, was going to start a restaurant. Then he found out how expensive it is to buy all the restaurant equipment and 20,000 dollars wouldn't cut it. The only thing that would work for 20,000 dollars was a sandwich shop.

Not only did the guy need a lot of money to start a business, as someone astutely pointed out, this was in 1983 and the loan was in fact $25K, not $20K. An internet inflation calculator says that 25,000 1983 dollars is something like 55,000 2012 dollars

Hey if you've got 55,000 lying around to give your kid on a business in which about 60% of businesses fail within five years - you're probably a wealthy kind of dad. Also he went to Elgin Academy which is a private prep school. Tuition 2011-2012 was about 18K a year for high school. Keep that in mind.
 
2012-09-05 02:46:28 PM  
There's way too much wordiness in this thread.

Romney said it.

Castro repeated it.

The point was that Romney doesn't understand that some people just don't have that option because their families don't have a spare $20,000 lying around.

Castro was right.

Newsbusters is pancakes-on-head wee-todd-ed.
 
2012-09-05 02:48:33 PM  

dickfreckle: Kome: Vodka Zombie: What is with all the Republican whining today?

Today?

I see I'm not needed here.


Well, yeah... They do whine every... freaking... day. But, today, they really seem to have stepped it up.
 
2012-09-05 02:52:32 PM  

Vodka Zombie: dickfreckle: Kome: Vodka Zombie: What is with all the Republican whining today?

Today?

I see I'm not needed here.

Well, yeah... They do whine every... freaking... day. But, today, they really seem to have stepped it up.


Clinton speaking tonight, Derpcon 2.
Obama tomorrow will be Derpcon 1.
 
2012-09-05 03:02:36 PM  
The nice thing about misquoting Romney is that if you wait long enough, he'll eventually say what you said he said.
 
2012-09-05 03:03:12 PM  
Key Note? Like it's two words?

Subby is THAT stupid? Well, he bought this bullshiat article, so I'm being redundant...
 
2012-09-05 03:04:26 PM  

Vodka Zombie: dickfreckle: Kome: Vodka Zombie: What is with all the Republican whining today?

Today?

I see I'm not needed here.

Well, yeah... They do whine every... freaking... day. But, today, they really seem to have stepped it up.


Republican convention: It's the end of the world and it is ALL Obama's fault!!!

Democratic convention: We can fix this if we work together.

Fark right wing derp brigade: But it's THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!
 
2012-09-05 03:07:11 PM  
When Castro said that line in his speech last night, I was surprised. I thought to myself "Huh. How did I miss that? If Romney said that, I'm sure I would have not only heard about it, but would have also been in a Fark thread about it." Then I listened to the rest of the speech and went to bed.

This morning, I tune into this Fark headline. My first thought "Huh. I guess I didn't miss it. Castro made it up and Newsbusters caught him."

Then I read the Newsbusters article and realized, nope, not made up at all. Not a lie, not taken out of context. I guess I did just miss this the first time around.
 
2012-09-05 03:12:45 PM  

mediablitz: Key Note? Like it's two words?

Subby is THAT stupid? Well, he bought this bullshiat article, so I'm being redundant...


well, subtard is a republican - they tend to want to go back to the gilded age of the 1890s, when amongst other things, words like keynote and gentlemen were spelled either as two words or hyphenated, as in: "gentle-men, may i present the key-note speaker for this year's annual acetate collar and spats convention, thaddeus mcdouchenozzle, esq.!"
 
2012-09-05 03:12:50 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: When Castro said that line in his speech last night, I was surprised. I thought to myself "Huh. How did I miss that? If Romney said that, I'm sure I would have not only heard about it, but would have also been in a Fark thread about it." Then I listened to the rest of the speech and went to bed.

This morning, I tune into this Fark headline. My first thought "Huh. I guess I didn't miss it. Castro made it up and Newsbusters caught him."

Then I read the Newsbusters article and realized, nope, not made up at all. Not a lie, not taken out of context. I guess I did just miss this the first time around.


your life is a veritable roller-coaster of emotion. you should take a nap
 
2012-09-05 03:13:49 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Then I read the Newsbusters article and realized, nope, not made up at all. Not a lie, not taken out of context. I guess I did just miss this the first time around.


All I have to say is "thanks Newsbusters."
 
2012-09-05 03:14:18 PM  

Vodka Zombie: What is with all the Republican whining today?


Fact: both sides are equally bad*.

Fact: Last week, the GOP told some really blatant lies.

Ergo, there must be some equally blatant lies that the Dems told last night. If you can't find them, then it must be because the liberal media is suppressing them.

*according to Republicans and people that don't actually pay attention to politics
 
2012-09-05 03:16:19 PM  

thomps: your life is a veritable roller-coaster of emotion. you should take a nap


I think I will. Thanks for the suggestion.
 
2012-09-05 03:22:43 PM  

mediablitz: Key Note? Like it's two words?

Subby is THAT stupid? Well, he bought this bullshiat article, so I'm being redundant...


The stupidity around this place really bottles the mind.
 
2012-09-05 03:30:33 PM  
Geez...next the GOP will be quoting Obama quoting McCain and attributing it to Obama.

Oh, wait...
 
2012-09-05 03:50:00 PM  
Castro claimed that Romney said "...start a business,"and "...borrow money if you have to from your parents,"

What Romney actually said was "...borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business."

It's totally the opposite of Castro's claim! Why can't the libs stop lying about Romney?
 
2012-09-05 03:50:54 PM  
Castro: "'Borrow money if you have to from your parents,' he told them."
Romney: "Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business."

What's the problem again?
 
2012-09-05 03:52:06 PM  
Yeah, for the Republicans to biatch about taking things out of context, they first have to take out adds every hour of the day apologizing for the "you didn't build that" propaganda.

No, neither side should do it. It sucks when either side does it. But seriously, Republicans? Seriously? You should just keep your heads down and mouths shut about taking things out of context if you have any shame at all.

/I know, you don't.
 
2012-09-05 03:53:48 PM  
Ads. Take out ads. Damn it.
 
2012-09-05 03:57:10 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Castro: "'Borrow money if you have to from your parents,' he told them."
Romney: "Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business."

What's the problem again?


It's unfair to use their exact words against them.
 
2012-09-05 03:59:59 PM  

Kome: DarwiOdrade: Castro: "'Borrow money if you have to from your parents,' he told them."
Romney: "Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business."

What's the problem again?

It's unfair to use their exact words against them.



"Any ad which quotes what I said Sunday is a falsehood." ~Newt Gingrich
 
2012-09-05 04:06:49 PM  
I'm sure this derptorial will dispel the notion that Romney is an out of touch rich guy who can't relate.
 
2012-09-05 04:09:48 PM  

FloydA: "Any ad which quotes what I said Sunday is a falsehood." ~Newt Gingrich


That was not meant to be a factual statement. Or presidential run.
 
2012-09-05 04:17:44 PM  
In other words, if they don't have any food, let them eat cake.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-05 04:25:57 PM  
"Sometimes I kick homeless people to death to get an erection"- Mitt Romney, Sunday, July 22nd, 2012 Meet The Press
 
2012-09-05 04:27:49 PM  

Ed Finnerty: mediablitz: Key Note? Like it's two words?

Subby is THAT stupid? Well, he bought this bullshiat article, so I'm being redundant...

The stupidity around this place really bottles the mind.


It's "boggles". Don't worry, people make that mistake alot.
 
2012-09-05 04:29:24 PM  

Calmamity: Ed Finnerty: mediablitz: Key Note? Like it's two words?

Subby is THAT stupid? Well, he bought this bullshiat article, so I'm being redundant...

The stupidity around this place really bottles the mind.

It's "boggles". Don't worry, people make that mistake alot.


I could care less about any of this pedantry.
 
2012-09-05 04:35:48 PM  

what_now: "Sometimes I kick homeless people to death to get an erection"- Mitt Romney, Sunday, July 22nd, 2012 Meet The Press


That was taken out of context.

Full quote:

"I haven't done it very often but sometimes I kick homeless people to death to get an erection. I suppose some of them might have survived. Hard to say."
 
2012-09-05 04:50:11 PM  

Pocket Ninja: MrBallou: So One = Several in derpmitter math?

Thomas Edison, after inventing the telephone, was asked what he thought it would mean for society to have at their fingertips such easy means of communicating over long distance. He replied, after a short period of contemplation, that he was both excited and unnerved at what his invention might mean. Why excited? asked the interviewer, to which Mr. Edison replied, "We are at the threshold of an age when all information -- be it for good or ill, be it truth or lie -- is at our fingertips." Why, then, unnerved? "Because I am afraid that the lies will have a way of overtaking the truth," he replied.

Interestingly, some decades later, noted Nazi propagandist Joseph "Frank" Goebbels loosely paraphrased Edison when he said, "The real truth is that 100 truths will always lose the race to a single lie."

All of which is to say that, where lies are concerned, the difference between one and one million is of no consequence, in the end. Roosevelt said that, by the way.


It's comments like this that are why I have you marked with green highlighter.
 
2012-09-05 04:51:11 PM  

WorldCitizen: Yeah, for the Republicans to biatch about taking things out of context, they first have to take out adds every hour of the day apologizing for the "you didn't build that" propaganda.

No, neither side should do it. It sucks when either side does it. But seriously, Republicans? Seriously? You should just keep your heads down and mouths shut about taking things out of context if you have any shame at all.

/I know, you don't.


Please, we both know they are the party of victims.
 
2012-09-05 04:51:29 PM  

what_now: "Sometimes I kick homeless people to death to get an erection"- Mitt Romney, Sunday, July 22nd, 2012 Meet The Press


"When I was heading Bain, we seriously considered rounding up illegal aliens and processing them into food. But we realized our resplendent lawns and gardens wouldn't tend themselves." - Mitt Romney, Wednesday, April 18, 2012 Cavuto on Business
 
2012-09-05 04:52:41 PM  

impaler: timujin: It seems, perhaps, that Romney was saying "borrow money from your parents" not to start a business, but to go to school.

Tough to say.

Romney: We've always encouraged young people take it, take a shot, go for it. Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business.

I was with a guy named Jimmy John. I've met Jimmy John. Jimmy John, hope I get the story entirely right, I think I will, he graduated from high school, and he didn't want to go to college. And he said to his Dad can I borrow some money I want to start a business. His dad said, "I just don't think you've got the discipline to start a business and make it work." And he said, "I'll loan you the money but if you can't pay it back with interest by the end of the year I want you to go into the military and sign up." And he said, "Okay I'll do that."


Some of romney's best friends are the CEO of Jimmy John's
 
2012-09-05 05:05:11 PM  

Calmamity: Ed Finnerty: mediablitz: Key Note? Like it's two words?

Subby is THAT stupid? Well, he bought this bullshiat article, so I'm being redundant...

The stupidity around this place really bottles the mind.

It's "boggles". Don't worry, people make that mistake alot allot.



FTFY
 
2012-09-05 05:31:26 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-05 05:39:48 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Then I read the Newsbusters article and realized, nope, not made up at all. Not a lie, not taken out of context. I guess I did just miss this the first time around.


Considering how much chunky vomit Romney sprays onto the internet every time he opens his mouth, it's pretty forgivable to not pay too much attention to the watery hiccups.
 
2012-09-05 05:40:42 PM  
NewsBusters == lies.
 
2012-09-05 05:41:02 PM  
She certainly won't be getting MY vote for president!
 
2012-09-05 05:42:29 PM  
So where are the rest of the "several" false statements? The story only rings up one, and then promptly backs the statement up, so really you have "several"="none" at this point, subby.

/just because Romney makes shiat up out of thin air, it doesn't mean that you can get away with it on Fark.
 
2012-09-05 05:43:48 PM  
the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.
 
2012-09-05 05:44:17 PM  

timujin: It seems, perhaps, that Romney was saying "borrow money from your parents" not to start a business, but to go to school.


Nope, his Jimmy Johns story is specifically about someone who didn't want to go to school, so his message really is 'Fark school, borrow money from your parents, and you too can be a super successful businessman.'.
 
2012-09-05 05:44:30 PM  
BSABSVR/IOKIYAR.
 
2012-09-05 05:44:41 PM  
Every Romney quote is out of context since he changes his position every five seconds.
 
2012-09-05 05:46:01 PM  

relcec: the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.


Since when were standardized tests a good metric of intelligence and skill?
 
2012-09-05 05:46:50 PM  

Serious Black: relcec: the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.

Since when were standardized tests a good metric of intelligence and skill?


wtf are you tlaking about? you saying he took an IQ test and that is why he got in?
 
2012-09-05 05:47:49 PM  

Vodka Zombie: What is with all the Republican whining today?


It's going to be a whinefest for the next 2 months, followed by 4 years of this:
t2.gstatic.com

And lots and lots of this:
www.allhatnocattle.net
 
2012-09-05 05:48:13 PM  

make me some tea: Drew's trolling the Politics tab today I see.


Why should today be different from any other?
 
2012-09-05 05:48:21 PM  
It's a good thing you're here to make sure both sides are represented on Fark, subby. May we never forget what a bunch of spaztards you conservatives are.

Keep fighting to reveal the truth that the liberal drive by ldbmsm lame stream media won't talk about.
 
2012-09-05 05:50:22 PM  

relcec: Serious Black: relcec: the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.

Since when were standardized tests a good metric of intelligence and skill?

wtf are you tlaking about? you saying he took an IQ test and that is why he got in?


No, my point is that saying somebody didn't perform ridiculously well on a standardized test means nothing to whether they will be a great student in college and, eventually, a great businessman/scientist/lawyer/whatever, so arguing that he got an unearned opportunity because he was only in the 80th percentile for SAT scores is a dumb argument.
 
2012-09-05 05:50:38 PM  
newsbusters.orgi14.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-05 05:52:43 PM  
Fair and Balanced: fark news
 
2012-09-05 05:52:59 PM  

bdub77: Not out of context. Perfectly in context. Romney told people they should borrow money from their parents if they have to, either for educational purposes or to start a business. And Castro's point was, not everyone has Daddy Warbucks as a father.

Here's what he said entirely in context:

Unimportant filler:
Even now I believe you're watching the president who has trying to deflect and divert. From his record by trying to find ways to, if you will, attack fellow Americans. Between rich and poor and other dimensions. This kind of divisiveness, this attack of success, is very different than what we've seen in our country's history.

What he said about getting an education:
We've always encouraged young people take it, take a shot, go for it. Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business.

That's exactly what he said. Borrow money from your family if you don't already have it (from your trust fund, I assume) either for business or education. Well you can borrow money if you're a student (which has kind of become a problem, look at the student loan bubble) but you definitely aren't going to get a small business loan unless you've already got collateral worth basically the amount of the loan. I don't know any 18 year olds with that kind of money.

Start a business. Well you need money to start a business, as he points out below. Here is his example, a guy who borrowed from his dad:
I was with a guy named Jimmy John. I've met Jimmy John. Jimmy John, hope I get the story entirely right, I think I will, he graduated from high school, and he didn't want to go to college. And he said to his Dad can I borrow some money I want to start a business. His dad said, "I just don't think you've got the discipline to start a business and make it work." And he said, "I'll loan you the money but if you can't pay it back with interest by the end of the year I want you to go into the military and sign up." And he said, "Okay I'll do that." ...


I thought he meant borrow money for college, which, yeah, stupid, because it assumes everyone's got parents that have money lying around. But, now, good lord, the stupid has been kicked up into high gear. I never knew he advised high school graduates to borrow tens of thousands from their parents to start a new business. That's just completely, retardedly, wildly irresponsible. Might as well tell kids to screw college and start a band 'cause then all the chicks will dig you. Also, try blow.
 
2012-09-05 05:56:04 PM  

Serious Black: relcec: Serious Black: relcec: the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.

Since when were standardized tests a good metric of intelligence and skill?

wtf are you tlaking about? you saying he took an IQ test and that is why he got in?

No, my point is that saying somebody didn't perform ridiculously well on a standardized test means nothing to whether they will be a great student in college and, eventually, a great businessman/scientist/lawyer/whatever, so arguing that he got an unearned opportunity because he was only in the 80th percentile for SAT scores is a dumb argument.


He's trolling for the affirmative action argument. Obviously the guy succeeded and then went on to Harvard. It's totally like having your dad as the president of AMC.
 
2012-09-05 05:56:51 PM  

RyogaM: I thought he meant borrow money for college, which, yeah, stupid, because it assumes everyone's got parents that have money lying around. But, now, good lord, the stupid has been kicked up into high gear. I never knew he advised high school graduates to borrow tens of thousands from their parents to start a new business. That's just completely, retardedly, wildly irresponsible. Might as well tell kids to screw college and start a band 'cause then all the chicks will dig you. Also, try blow.


I tried blow once. I wouldn't recommend it. Ended up with two different types of gonorrhea, three types of hepatitis, and super-AIDS.
 
2012-09-05 05:58:17 PM  

relcec: the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.


You have nowhere to turn. The party on the right has fallen to extremes you can't stomach. The party on the left is repulsive to you. A man who gets into Stanford with a 1200 SAT fills your heart with black resentment. You can find no joy in his good fortune, yet you can't find joy in hating it either.

You are lost, relcec.
 
2012-09-05 05:59:04 PM  

Fart_Machine: Serious Black: relcec: Serious Black: relcec: the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.

Since when were standardized tests a good metric of intelligence and skill?

wtf are you tlaking about? you saying he took an IQ test and that is why he got in?

No, my point is that saying somebody didn't perform ridiculously well on a standardized test means nothing to whether they will be a great student in college and, eventually, a great businessman/scientist/lawyer/whatever, so arguing that he got an unearned opportunity because he was only in the 80th percentile for SAT scores is a dumb argument.

He's trolling for the affirmative action argument. Obviously the guy succeeded and then went on to Harvard. It's totally like having your dad as the president of AMC.


It's not like Castro is hiding "low" scores or anything, either. He holds it up as an affirmative action success story. From Wiki:

Castro has credited affirmative action for his admission into Stanford, telling The New York Times, "Joaquín and I got into Stanford because of affirmative action. I scored 1210 on my SATs, which was lower than the median matriculating student. But I did fine in college and in law school. So did Joaquín. I'm a strong supporter of affirmative action because I've seen it work in my own life".[5] Castro entered Harvard Law School in 1997 and graduated with a Juris Doctor in 2000.[11][12] His brother graduated from both schools with him.[4]
 
2012-09-05 05:59:51 PM  

Karac: I don't think there is anything that Romney has not said at one time or another. Let's test this.

Newsbuster headline: Will Media Fact-Check Castro's Line About Romney Telling Students to Borrow Money From Parents?
Newsbusters own Romney quote: Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business.

Yep, I was right. My other theory, that Newsbusters is always full of shiat, is also still to be disproven.


Plus, there's a big difference between paraphrasing (i.e., condensing a quote for the essence) and lying (making up something that was never said by anyone at any time) and cherry-picking (selecting a few words from a quote and using them out of context or with no context).

Here's what Romney actually said: We've always encouraged young people take it, take a shot, go for it. Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business.

Here's what Castro actually said: Start a business," he said. But how? "Borrow money if you have to from your parents," he told them. Gee, why didn't I think of that?

Romney actually did say that kids wanting to start a business had the option to borrow money from their parents to do so. He actually did say that. So the question then becomes, did Castro lie, cherrypick, or paraphrase? The answer depends on entirely how your handlers tell you to spin it. It looks to me like he merely paraphrased with some hyperbole for effect; possibly he cherry-picked for added emphasis; but he definitely didn't make shiat up, as the headline claims. Romney did in fact say "borrow money from your parents...start a business."
 
2012-09-05 06:00:09 PM  
Hypocritical doesn't even begin to capture this predictable and tiring farklib shadow boxing. What Romney said was clearly twisted out of context. What Romney said was actually the nice story of a successful businessman.

Yet the distortion and lies Castro applied to that story earn full-throat defense here. Pathetic.

Here is what Obama said, by the way. With full context.

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we funded the G.I. Bill. That's how we created the middle class. That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That's how we invented the Internet. That's how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You're not on your own, we're in this together."
 
2012-09-05 06:00:12 PM  
So Castro claimed Romeny said something that he did actually say? That's outr... huh?
 
2012-09-05 06:00:31 PM  

Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.


It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.
 
2012-09-05 06:02:33 PM  
I don't say this often (or I suppose enough) but here it goes...
Cry Moar!
 
2012-09-05 06:02:46 PM  

ivan: You have nowhere to turn. The party on the right has fallen to extremes you can't stomach. The party on the left is repulsive to you. A man who gets into Stanford with a 1200 SAT fills your heart with black resentment. You can find no joy in his good fortune, yet you can't find joy in hating it either.

You are lost, relcec.


Why's it got to be black?

/seriously, Castro made up one quote
//turns out Romney actually stated said quote
///ergo: he made up zero quotes
////is the math this hard?
 
2012-09-05 06:02:59 PM  
FTA:
"As you can see, in its full context, Romney was talking about encouraging young people to "take a shot" and "take a risk" and borrow money from parents "if you have to" to "start a business."

LMAO... so now context is GOOD? WTF, guys? Make up your mind!

Although to be fair, deliberately taking a comment out of context is not cool, no matter who does it. Castro gave a great speech, but he should not have done that (if it's true... I haven't checked other sites yet).
 
2012-09-05 06:03:08 PM  
Of course this isn't worthy of the so called "fact checkers" time

No it isn't, and fark the Republican party.
 
2012-09-05 06:03:23 PM  
Whoever wrote that article has no reading comprehension.
 
2012-09-05 06:03:28 PM  

Cletus C.: Hypocritical doesn't even begin to capture this predictable and tiring farklib shadow boxing. What Romney said was clearly twisted out of context. What Romney said was actually the nice story of a successful businessman.

Yet the distortion and lies Castro applied to that story earn full-throat defense here. Pathetic.

Here is what Obama said, by the way. With full context.

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we funded the G.I. Bill. That's how we created the middle class. That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That's how we invented the Internet. That's how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You're not on your own, we're in this together."


So your point is you fail at reading comprehension?
 
2012-09-05 06:03:43 PM  

TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.


It's I "couldn't" care less. Also a common mistake.
 
2012-09-05 06:03:46 PM  
Damn fact checkers will probably just go ahead and say something like:

You mean this quote?

And be all smug about it.
 
2012-09-05 06:04:34 PM  

SanjiSasuke: Damn fact checkers will probably just go ahead and say something like:

You mean this quote?

And be all smug about it.


(to clarify of course I realize they are saying it is out of context, and that they posted the video)
 
2012-09-05 06:04:51 PM  

Mikey1969: So where are the rest of the "several" false statements? The story only rings up one, and then promptly backs the statement up, so really you have "several"="none" at this point, subby.

/just because Romney makes shiat up out of thin air, it doesn't mean that you can get away with it on Fark.


By "several" they mean "one."

And by "one" I mean "none."
 
2012-09-05 06:04:58 PM  

relcec: the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.


What do you base your assertion that Obama got a 1200 SAT? You have some sort of evidence? I ask because I know you don't.
 
2012-09-05 06:05:20 PM  

TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.


The OED differs with you:

pedantry, n.

Pronunciation: Brit. /ˈpɛdntri/ , U.S. /ˈpɛd(ə)ntri/

Forms: 16 paedantry, 16 pedanterie, 16 pedantery, 17- pedantry.

Etymology:
1. The character, habit of mind, or practice of a pedant.

a. Mere academic learning, without judgement or discrimination; excessive reverence for or display of learning or technical knowledge; intellectual conceit.

[1585 A. Munday tr. L. Pasqualigo Fedele & Fortunio ii. v. sig. Div, I would I could meete with master Pedayntrye, To knowe what his maister saith to the chauntrye.]
1612 J. Donne Progresse of Soule ii. 291 When wilt thou shake off this pedantery Of being taught by sense and fantasie?
1646 Sir T. Browne Pseudodoxia Epidemica i. vi. 24 A practise that savours much of Pedantery.
1710 R. Steele Tatler No. 224. ⁋7 Pedantry proceeds from much Reading and little Understanding.
1766 J. Fordyce Serm. Young Women (1767) I. vii. 298 That men are frighted at Female pedantry is very certain.
1841 I. D'Israeli Amenities Lit. I. 159 The pedantry of mixing Greek and Latin terms in the vernacular language is ridiculed by Rabelais.
1878 H. James Watch & Ward v. 88 He was gentle without timidity, frank without arrogance, clever without pedantry.
1979 D. Thomas Swinburne x. 219 He was the..faded little poet, with an enthusiasm for books & pedantry which was..reminiscent of an eccentric don.
2003 Jrnl. News (Westchester County, N.Y.) (Nexis) 23 Nov. 4 e, There's no showiness in his erudition, no pedantry in his wisdom, no ingratiation in his wit.

b. Excessive or undue concern for petty details; slavish adherence to formal precision, rules, or literal meaning.

[1724 Swift Let. to Molesworth 4 The Pedantry of a Drapier in the Terms of his own Trade.]
1759 A. Smith Theory Moral Sentiments iii. 308 Tho' it may be aukward and pedantic..to affect too strict an adherence to the common rules of prudence or generosity, there is no pedantry in sticking fast by the rules of justice.
1845 S. Austin tr. L. von Ranke Hist. Reformation in Germany III. 124 Even Erasmus, spite of the favour he enjoyed at court, found no mercy from monkish pedantry.
1863 P. Barry Dockyard Econ. 119 He who slavishly adheres to rule displays pedantry at every turn.
1902 A. M. Fairbairn Philos. Christian Relig. ii. ii. 410 To require that every element in a figurative word be found again in the reality it denotes, is not exegesis but pedantry.
1940 N. & Q. 179 278/1 The shell fragments which are at present descending upon its devoted head are unhesitatingly referred to by the public as 'shrapnel' and the correct expression, 'shell fragments', has begun to verge on pedantry.
2000 C. Tudge Variety of Life i. iii. 53 The cladists' refusal to recognize any group as a formal taxon unless it is a true clade strikes many as pedantry.

2. As a count noun: an instance of pedantic behaviour; a pedantic form of expression.

[a1586 Sir P. Sidney Apol. Poetrie (1595) sig. B1v, Skill of gouernment, was but a Pedanteria in comparison.]
1656 T. Blount Glossographia, Pedanteries, pedantick humors, phrase affectings, Inkhorn terms. Br.
1778 T. Warton Hist. Eng. Poetry II. xxv. 133 The narrow pedantries of monastic erudition.
1779 Ann. Reg. 1778 Characters 23/2 Would Chaucer's poems have been the delight of those courts in which he lived, had they been filled with unintelligible pedantries?
1850 E. Johnson Life, Health, & Dis. Pref. p. xi, I have avoided all professional pedantries and learned technicalities, whenever it could be done consistently with perspicuity.
a1859 L. Hunt Poet. Wks. (1860) 56 To be so nice, and stand, profess'd, All truth, was held a pedantry at best.
1909 C. Thomas Hist. German Lit. xiii. 235 It is shown that the wonderful rules of the haute tragédie are in good part mere pedantries, based on a misunderstanding of Aristotle.
2003 Southland (N.Z.) Times 21 Oct. 4 Developers..complain about officious bureaucrats and their many pedantries.
 
2012-09-05 06:05:51 PM  
Really? REALLY!!!??? You have to stretch this far to call something out of context. ha ha ha. Hope you're having fun avoiding reality GOPmitter.
 
2012-09-05 06:07:12 PM  

Mikey1969: timujin: It seems, perhaps, that Romney was saying "borrow money from your parents" not to start a business, but to go to school.

Nope, his Jimmy Johns story is specifically about someone who didn't want to go to school, so his message really is 'Fark school, borrow money from your parents, and you too can be a super successful businessman.'.


Yes, you're correct, I saw that above when Impaler posted that part of the quote. I had only read the one part that I was referring to, which could have been construed to mean he was saying you could borrow money from your parents to go to school.

The point is, though, the idea that you can just "borrow money from your parents" to go to school or start a business demonstrates yet another way in which Romney has no concept of what it is like to be an "average" American these days.
 
2012-09-05 06:07:33 PM  

Vodka Zombie: What is with all the Republican whining today?


They're feeling really confident and not at all butthurt or doubtful about their candidate's chances in November after the DNC's disastrous opening night last night.
 
2012-09-05 06:07:35 PM  

Serious Black: RyogaM: I thought he meant borrow money for college, which, yeah, stupid, because it assumes everyone's got parents that have money lying around. But, now, good lord, the stupid has been kicked up into high gear. I never knew he advised high school graduates to borrow tens of thousands from their parents to start a new business. That's just completely, retardedly, wildly irresponsible. Might as well tell kids to screw college and start a band 'cause then all the chicks will dig you. Also, try blow.

I tried blow once. I wouldn't recommend it. Ended up with two different types of gonorrhea, three types of hepatitis, and super-AIDS.


Sounds like a fairly tame weekend. Good thing the first time is free, right?
 
2012-09-05 06:07:55 PM  

relcec: Serious Black: relcec: the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.

Since when were standardized tests a good metric of intelligence and skill?

wtf are you tlaking about? you saying he took an IQ test and that is why he got in?


I'm sure you are OUTRAGED that George Bush got into Yale with a 1200 SAT.
 
2012-09-05 06:07:57 PM  

SilentStrider: Vodka Zombie: dickfreckle: Kome: Vodka Zombie: What is with all the Republican whining today?

Today?

I see I'm not needed here.

Well, yeah... They do whine every... freaking... day. But, today, they really seem to have stepped it up.

Clinton speaking tonight, Derpcon 2.
Obama tomorrow will be Derpcon 1.


the debates?
Derponuclear war will be derpclared. It will be worse than the herpacaust.
 
2012-09-05 06:08:02 PM  

Zik-Zak: ivan: You have nowhere to turn. The party on the right has fallen to extremes you can't stomach. The party on the left is repulsive to you. A man who gets into Stanford with a 1200 SAT fills your heart with black resentment. You can find no joy in his good fortune, yet you can't find joy in hating it either.

You are lost, relcec.

Why's it got to be black?



"Mauve resentment" didn't sound right.
 
2012-09-05 06:08:40 PM  

Fart_Machine: Cletus C.: Hypocritical doesn't even begin to capture this predictable and tiring farklib shadow boxing. What Romney said was clearly twisted out of context. What Romney said was actually the nice story of a successful businessman.

Yet the distortion and lies Castro applied to that story earn full-throat defense here. Pathetic.

Here is what Obama said, by the way. With full context.

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we funded the G.I. Bill. That's how we created the middle class. That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That's how we invented the Internet. That's how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You're not on your own, we're in this together."

So your point is you fail at reading comprehension?


Yes, I strive to make that point as often as possible.

Given the opportunity to use his famous time machine, would Obama rip that speech to shreds? Oh in a heartbeat, for sure.

Not because it would later be taken out of context but because it comes across as the sort of big-government, welfare state elitism he gets hammered by so often. Stupid speech at the wrong time.
 
2012-09-05 06:08:42 PM  

Cletus C.: Hypocritical doesn't even begin to capture this predictable and tiring farklib shadow boxing. What Romney said was clearly twisted out of context. What Romney said was actually the nice story of a successful businessman.

Yet the distortion and lies Castro applied to that story earn full-throat defense here. Pathetic.

Here is what Obama said, by the way. With full context.

"If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business -- you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

"The point is, is that when we succeed, we succeed because of our individual initiative, but also because we do things together. There are some things, just like fighting fires, we don't do on our own. I mean, imagine if everybody had their own fire service. That would be a hard way to organize fighting fires.

"So we say to ourselves, ever since the founding of this country, you know what, there are some things we do better together. That's how we funded the G.I. Bill. That's how we created the middle class. That's how we built the Golden Gate Bridge or the Hoover Dam. That's how we invented the Internet. That's how we sent a man to the moon. We rise or fall together as one nation and as one people, and that's the reason I'm running for President -- because I still believe in that idea. You're not on your own, we're in this together."


And the GOP has managed to line up small business owner after small business owner who claim they got there on their own, only to be shown the millions and millions of dollars of government help they got along the way. If the Republicans managed to find one, JUST ONE, small business owner who didn't get government loans or grants or some kind of assistance, maybe you'd have a point. But you don't. And you don't even know it. And that's pathetic.
 
2012-09-05 06:09:15 PM  

TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.


It's pederasty, you sick farks
 
2012-09-05 06:09:18 PM  

Cletus C.: TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.

It's I "couldn't" care less. Also a common mistake.


ivan: TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.

The OED differs with you:

pedantry, n.


You guys are really towing the line on this pedantry.
 
2012-09-05 06:10:30 PM  

magusdevil: And the GOP has managed to line up small business owner after small business owner who claim they got there on their own, only to be shown the millions and millions of dollars of government help they got along the way. If the Republicans managed to find one, JUST ONE, s ...


The GOP only has to thank Obama for delivering them that gift of a speech.
 
2012-09-05 06:11:09 PM  
The point the Democrats were making is that nobody's parents have money to loan them, and nothing in Romney's quote that runs contrary to that point. My dad is a disabled stroke victim, and without universal health care, he lost everything when he couldn't work. He HAD a small business that he built with no government help, employing about 15 people and doing a lot of public good. As a private investigator, he worked 18-hour days and took cases the police didn't have time for, and worked them for free when women or children were at risk. Now, I'm struggling to start a small business in my field after I couldn't find a job in it after college. I've done OK parlaying my skills into other employment in the meantime. I've had to beg my dad not to feel ashamed of himself - not because he needs help getting around the house, but that he couldn't give me the money I need to get that business off the ground. That's the America we live in. You can work your butt off, help people, play by the rules, and still get screwed if anything bad happens. Too many Americans are on the ropes, and Romney's solution is, "borrow money from your rich parents." I'm glad for Mitt that his dad was well-off enough that he can do that. Should I have kids, I hope that I can do that for them, like my dad would have done for me if he had the means. But assuming everybody has a rich dad is not going to solve the real-world problems we face, and nothing Castro said in that regard was in any way inaccurate.
 
2012-09-05 06:11:46 PM  

Jackson Herring: TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.

It's pederasty, you sick farks


Wouldn't they all fall under the heading "pedophilia"?
 
2012-09-05 06:12:11 PM  

ivan: Zik-Zak: ivan: You have nowhere to turn. The party on the right has fallen to extremes you can't stomach. The party on the left is repulsive to you. A man who gets into Stanford with a 1200 SAT fills your heart with black resentment. You can find no joy in his good fortune, yet you can't find joy in hating it either.

You are lost, relcec.

Why's it got to be black?

"Mauve resentment" didn't sound right.


i157.photobucket.com

Good point.
 
2012-09-05 06:12:19 PM  

magusdevil: relcec: the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.

What do you base your assertion that Obama got a 1200 SAT? You have some sort of evidence? I ask because I know you don't.


talking about the guy who was criticizing romney, a guy who said he only got to go to stanford because he is of mexican ancestory. that is who the article is about.
btw, obama didn't go to stanford.


not that any cares:

Link
I. Validity of Admissions Factors in Predicting Cumulative Fourth-Year GPA
We begin with findings on the relative contribution of admissions factors in predicting
cumulative four-year college GPA. Table 4 shows the percentage of explained variance
in cumulative fourth-year GPA that is accounted for by HSGPA, SAT I verbal and math
scores, and SAT II Writing, Mathematics and Third Test scores. The estimated effects of
these admissions factors on cumulative fourth-year GPA were analyzed both singly and
in combination. Parents' education, family income and school API rank were also
included in all of the regression models in order to control for the "proxy" effects, noted
above, of socioeconomic status on standardized test scores and other admissions
variables.
Three main conclusions can be drawn from Table 4. First, looking at the admissions
factors individually - Models 1 to 3 in the table - HSGPA is the best single predictor of
cumulative fourth-year college GPA, accounting for 20.4 percent of the variance in a
model that also includes socioeconomic background variables (Model 1, right-hand
column). SAT II scores, including students' scores on the SAT II Writing, Math and
Third Subject Test (Model 3), are the next-best predictor, accounting for 16.9 percent of
the variance
. Students' scores on the SAT I verbal and math tests (Model 2) rank last,
accounting for just 13.4 percent of the variance in cumulative fourth-year college grades,
controlling for socioeconomic background variables.xiv
 
2012-09-05 06:12:42 PM  

impaler:
I was with a guy named Jimmy John. I've met Jimmy John. Jimmy John, hope I get the story entirely right, I think I will, he graduated from high school, and he didn't want to go to college. And he said to his Dad can I borrow some money I want to start a business. His dad said, "I just don't think you've got the discipline to start a business and make it work." And he said, "I'll loan you the money but if you can't pay it back with interest by the end of the year I want you to go into the military and sign up." And he said, "Okay I'll do that."


So, while you're insinuating that everybody's got a rich daddy to borrow money from, let's in the same breath say, "Serving in the Armed Forces is something you should only do as a last resort if you're not good at business like me and Jimmy."
 
2012-09-05 06:12:54 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: Serious Black: RyogaM: I thought he meant borrow money for college, which, yeah, stupid, because it assumes everyone's got parents that have money lying around. But, now, good lord, the stupid has been kicked up into high gear. I never knew he advised high school graduates to borrow tens of thousands from their parents to start a new business. That's just completely, retardedly, wildly irresponsible. Might as well tell kids to screw college and start a band 'cause then all the chicks will dig you. Also, try blow.

I tried blow once. I wouldn't recommend it. Ended up with two different types of gonorrhea, three types of hepatitis, and super-AIDS.

Sounds like a fairly tame weekend. Good thing the first time is free, right?


If by "free," you mean "free with a complimentary bareback milk job from the dealer," then sure.
 
2012-09-05 06:14:03 PM  
IS OK WHEN WE DO IT
 
2012-09-05 06:14:06 PM  
Next up, Romney advises the young people to play the state lottery, often, with money borrowed from their parents, or Nic, the dude who knows that dude that killed the guy. You know, Nic. I'm sure he won't break both your legs if your Megamillions don't come in.
 
2012-09-05 06:14:07 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Cletus C.: TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.

It's I "couldn't" care less. Also a common mistake.

ivan: TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.

The OED differs with you:

pedantry, n.

You guys are really towing the line on this pedantry.


sfw.chanarchive.org
this guy...
 
2012-09-05 06:15:09 PM  

make me some tea: Drew's trolling the Politics tab today I see.


And yet, here we are. Beats my Facebook feed of derpitude since I foolishly re-connected with some old people in my family.
 
2012-09-05 06:15:24 PM  

Diogenes: "You didn't build that."

I guess sound bite isolation from context and cherry-picking is only OK if you're Republican.


The difference is that the build it line was in context.
- he would have said "those" not that if he meant infrastructure.
- antecedents, how do they work?
- how many business owners claim that they built the roads and bridges? None. so why would 0bama have to remind them that they didn't build the roads and bridges?

The line about borrowing money was not.
 
2012-09-05 06:15:37 PM  

Cletus C.: magusdevil: And the GOP has managed to line up small business owner after small business owner who claim they got there on their own, only to be shown the millions and millions of dollars of government help they got along the way. If the Republicans managed to find one, JUST ONE, s ...

The GOP only has to thank Obama for delivering them that gift of a speech.


The gift of a speech that the Republicans then lied about and it hasn't worked for them?
 
2012-09-05 06:15:51 PM  

Cletus C.: What Romney said was actually the nice story of a successful businessman.


What Romney said, and what everyone in this thread is trying to point out, is terribly tone deaf and a bit cruel. The overwhelming majority of American youth don't have the option to get a business or student loan from their parents because the overwhelming majority of American parents don't have that kind of money lying around. That's reality for millions of Americans.

What's more telling is what he didn't say: Get a student loan from the government. Get a subsidized business loan from a federal program. Because those things are anathema to the Republican platform. They want to tear down these social programs that provide opportunity and invest in Americans -- and it's totally fine in their minds because you can just go to your parents for the money, right?
 
2012-09-05 06:15:53 PM  

Cletus C.: Yes, I strive to make that point as often as possible.


That's what I figured.

You're doing a great job. Keep up the good fail.
 
2012-09-05 06:16:33 PM  

Bhasayate: IS OK WHEN WE DO IT


We know it's okay when Republicans do it. 128 comments in and you couldn't figure out that it wasn't a lie?
 
2012-09-05 06:17:55 PM  

Vodka Zombie: What is with all the Republican whining today?


They're just showing the lefts true colors.
 
2012-09-05 06:18:18 PM  
Let's just call them "JewsBusters". Busting the balls of the Jewish liberal media without a shred of intelligence, fact or decency.
 
2012-09-05 06:18:22 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: magusdevil: And the GOP has managed to line up small business owner after small business owner who claim they got there on their own, only to be shown the millions and millions of dollars of government help they got along the way. If the Republicans managed to find one, JUST ONE, s ...

The GOP only has to thank Obama for delivering them that gift of a speech.

The gift of a speech that the Republicans then lied about and it hasn't worked for them?


Keep thinking that.
It is a lie to claim that it was not in context, just like they whine that the context of Warren's Indian claims are wrong.
He was trying to channel Warren and failed.

Denial is not a river in Spain.
 
2012-09-05 06:18:52 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Diogenes: "You didn't build that."

I guess sound bite isolation from context and cherry-picking is only OK if you're Republican.

The difference is that the build it line was in context.
- he would have said "those" not that if he meant infrastructure.
- antecedents, how do they work?
- how many business owners claim that they built the roads and bridges? None. so why would 0bama have to remind them that they didn't build the roads and bridges?

The line about borrowing money was not.


Infrastructure is singular term, thus, you would "build THAT".
 
2012-09-05 06:19:27 PM  

Cletus C.: too stupid; didn't read.


Listen, moron:Farklib is not a word. Fark Indepent(tm) is a word and it's trademarked, for God's sake. Stop embiggening the language; it's not cromulent.
 
2012-09-05 06:19:38 PM  

Cletus C.: magusdevil: And the GOP has managed to line up small business owner after small business owner who claim they got there on their own, only to be shown the millions and millions of dollars of government help they got along the way. If the Republicans managed to find one, JUST ONE, s ...

The GOP only has to thank Obama for delivering them that gift of a speech.


But Romney's "Borrow money from your parents" is just beyond the pale, I see. My bad. I forgot you were an idiot for a second.
 
2012-09-05 06:20:49 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: The difference is that the build it line was in context.
- he would have said "those" not that if he meant infrastructure.
- antecedents, how do they work?
- how many business owners claim that they built the roads and bridges? None. so why would 0bama have to remind them that they didn't build the roads and bridges?


This is the saddest attempt to spin this lie to date.

Just wanted you to know.
 
2012-09-05 06:20:50 PM  

Serious Black: relcec: the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.

Since when were standardized tests a good metric of intelligence and skill?


They are at "standford". reclec would know.
 
2012-09-05 06:21:16 PM  

ghare: Cletus C.: too stupid; didn't read.


Listen, moron:Farklib is not a word. Fark Indepent Fark Independent(tm) is a word and it's trademarked, for God's sake. Stop embiggening the language; it's not cromulent.

ftfm dAMN PADS
 
2012-09-05 06:21:45 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Cletus C.: TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.

It's I "couldn't" care less. Also a common mistake.

ivan: TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.

The OED differs with you:

pedantry, n.

You guys are really towing the line on this pedantry.


Irregardless, you should of been more careful.
 
2012-09-05 06:22:10 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: It is a lie to claim that it was not in context, just like they whine that the context of Warren's Indian claims are wrong.


Please explain how, in context, Barack Obama said that business owners didn't build their own businesses, rather than, as the context suggests, they didn't build infrastructure that supports their business?

This ought to be interesting.
 
2012-09-05 06:22:21 PM  

sabreWulf07: Cletus C.: What Romney said was actually the nice story of a successful businessman.

What Romney said, and what everyone in this thread is trying to point out, is terribly tone deaf and a bit cruel. The overwhelming majority of American youth don't have the option to get a business or student loan from their parents because the overwhelming majority of American parents don't have that kind of money lying around. That's reality for millions of Americans.

\

yeah, about that. Parents cover about 37% of college costs on average. So 20k is not an unreasonable loan when you think about 2nd mortgages or home equity covering it.
 
2012-09-05 06:22:31 PM  

Mrtraveler01: This is the saddest attempt to spin this lie to date.

Just wanted you to know.


What else would you expect from tenp0unds0fcheese? Facts are not his strong suit.
 
2012-09-05 06:22:33 PM  

Bhasayate: IS OK WHEN WE DO IT


It's apparently OK for you to believe a bunch more disinformation that serves to justify your "both sides are bad/the same" mindset.
 
2012-09-05 06:22:36 PM  
Romney was just saying that to succeed you need to take a risk which is why he illustrated it with a story. Jimmy John was not going to school, so he took the risk of having to join the military against his wishes because his father attached those conditions on the loan.

Castro took it as "DERRRR You need to borrow money from your parents to succeed."
 
2012-09-05 06:23:04 PM  

Crapinoleum: Serious Black: relcec: the guy who got into standford with a 1200 SAT is lecturing others about unearned oppurtunities.

Since when were standardized tests a good metric of intelligence and skill?

They are at "standford". reclec would know.


I heard reclec went to hardvard.
 
2012-09-05 06:23:25 PM  
"I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in. That's the America I love." -Mitt Romney

"I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed." -Mitt Romney

"He [Obama] says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people." -Mitt Romney

"I'm not familiar precisely with what I said, but I'll stand by what I said, whatever it was." -Mitt Romney



I think Mittens is better off when people don't quoting him.
 
2012-09-05 06:23:41 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: magusdevil: And the GOP has managed to line up small business owner after small business owner who claim they got there on their own, only to be shown the millions and millions of dollars of government help they got along the way. If the Republicans managed to find one, JUST ONE, s ...

The GOP only has to thank Obama for delivering them that gift of a speech.

The gift of a speech that the Republicans then lied about and it hasn't worked for them?


The RCP average says something is working.
 
2012-09-05 06:24:23 PM  

bdub77: An internet inflation calculator says that 25,000 1983 dollars is something like 55,000 2012 dollars


Sweet!

My in-laws are fans of Rmoney. I'll have to ask them to borrow 55k next time I visit.
 
2012-09-05 06:24:59 PM  

Isitoveryet: "I believe in an America where millions of Americans believe in an America that's the America millions of Americans believe in. That's the America I love." -Mitt Romney

"I should tell my story. I'm also unemployed." -Mitt Romney

"He [Obama] says we need more firemen, more policemen, more teachers. Did he not get the message of Wisconsin? The American people did. It's time for us to cut back on government and help the American people." -Mitt Romney

"I'm not familiar precisely with what I said, but I'll stand by what I said, whatever it was." -Mitt Romney


I think Mittens is better off when people don't quoting him.


I don't quoting him everywhere/
 
2012-09-05 06:25:34 PM  
Oh you poor libs. "Those delegates that agree say I" "iiiiiiiii" "Those that do not agree say NO" "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!" "Alright then, the i's have it." Pathetic. Also, look at the crowd at the convention, it looks like a bunch of unemployed hillbillies. Morons and the Hollywood elite...go LIBS!!!!
 
2012-09-05 06:26:15 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: - he would have said "those" not that if he meant infrastructure.


If you're talking about building roads and bridges and so forth, you'd say, "you didn't build THOSE?"

Seriously?

That's your argument? The problem is your claim simply doesn't roll off the tongue very well. "You didn't build that," simply makes much more rhetorical sense.

So, here's the question I want you answer above all others: are you so invested in the Republican machine that you're willing to lie and invent in order to see them win? If you answer is "yes," the natural follow-up is: why? If your answer is "no," the natural follow-up is: then why are you lying for their benefit?

Interested in your answer even though I realize a person willing to lie up front would also be more than willing to lie in response to my questions.  And, when answering, keep in mind that I am not a Democrat.
 
2012-09-05 06:26:23 PM  

I alone am best: cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: magusdevil: And the GOP has managed to line up small business owner after small business owner who claim they got there on their own, only to be shown the millions and millions of dollars of government help they got along the way. If the Republicans managed to find one, JUST ONE, s ...

The GOP only has to thank Obama for delivering them that gift of a speech.

The gift of a speech that the Republicans then lied about and it hasn't worked for them?

The RCP average says something is working.


I see the short bus has dropped off its riders.
 
2012-09-05 06:26:35 PM  

I alone am best: Romney was just saying that to succeed you need to take a risk which is why he illustrated it with a story. Jimmy John was not going to school, so he took the risk of having to join the military against his wishes because his father attached those conditions on the loan.

Castro took it as "DERRRR You need to borrow money from your parents to succeed."


That's hilarious given the story of how Romney was given Bain Capital with a ludicrous sweetheart deal that, if the company failed, he would not only get his old job at Bain and Company back WITH RAISES, but they would craft a cover story explaining how they valued his consultant skills when he returned so as to not ruin his reputation. Mitt Romney's life is all about not taking risks.
 
2012-09-05 06:26:35 PM  

TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.


Tsk tsk! It's 'pedorism'. There's a bear for that.
 
2012-09-05 06:26:52 PM  

broktune: Oh you poor libs. "Those delegates that agree say I" "iiiiiiiii" "Those that do not agree say NO" "NOOOOOOOOOOOO!" "Alright then, the i's have it." Pathetic. Also, look at the crowd at the convention, it looks like a bunch of unemployed hillbillies. Morons and the Hollywood elite...go LIBS!!!!


Try again I think you almost made a thought.
 
2012-09-05 06:26:58 PM  

Isitoveryet: don't quoting him.


doh!
 
2012-09-05 06:27:03 PM  
My wife and I both own our own businesses. She actually employes 5 people. We completely understood what Obama was saying. The roads near her business have just been completely redone. The taxes we pay would never have paid even a fraction of a fraction the cost of those new roads, and the increased business we are getting will reimburse us for all of our past taxes paid. And don't get me started on all the other government services we need to stay in business.

And, what is Obama asking us to pay? About 3-6% more on the business profits over $250,000. The only business owners butthurt by Obama's speech are willfully being obtuse. They were not going to vote for Obama anyway.
 
2012-09-05 06:27:04 PM  
If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

Obama was referring to the "American system", which is singular, hence, "You didn't build THAT." It was a bit awkward with the "roads and bridges" sentence in-between. Pick your poison. Do you want the man to speak from the heart, and not craft every word precisely for how it could be twisted by desperate opponents? Because when he has done that, Republicans accused him of being an empty teleprompter.

At what point can anyone who has a letter after their name that doesn't match yours do ANYTHING right? America is roughly 50% Republican and 50% Democrat. Thus, the Senate and House will both always be pretty close to that. The presidential elections (popular-vote wise) are all close to that. When are we going to accept that no majority big enough to do ANYTHING will ever realistically exist, and as such, the only way to make ANY progress is to drop the bullshiat and look for common ground?
 
2012-09-05 06:28:51 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: It is a lie to claim that it was not in context, just like they whine that the context of Warren's Indian claims are wrong.

Please explain how, in context, Barack Obama said that business owners didn't build their own businesses, rather than, as the context suggests, they didn't build infrastructure that supports their business?

This ought to be interesting.


It won't be...last time someone (me) asked, he just kept insisting that the context this, the context that...

So, apparently, in the context of paranoid, delusional "conservative" fantasy, Obama - excuse me, 0bama - totally farking hates entrepreneurs.
 
2012-09-05 06:30:46 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: The difference is that the build it line was in context.
- he would have said "those" not that if he meant infrastructure.
- antecedents, how do they work?


Let's pretend 10lbsOfDerp has a point. Which of these two sentences make sense?

"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the business"
"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the roads and bridges"

Keep in mind this was a speech about how no one is an island.

What point does the first part of the sentence have? It's nonsensical if "that" isn't referring to the first part of the sentence.

Republican scum like tenpoundsofcheese are such dishonest liars, they have to lie about lying.
 
2012-09-05 06:31:25 PM  

tenpoundsofcheese: sabreWulf07: Cletus C.: What Romney said was actually the nice story of a successful businessman.

What Romney said, and what everyone in this thread is trying to point out, is terribly tone deaf and a bit cruel. The overwhelming majority of American youth don't have the option to get a business or student loan from their parents because the overwhelming majority of American parents don't have that kind of money lying around. That's reality for millions of Americans.

\
yeah, about that. Parents cover about 37% of college costs on average. So 20k is not an unreasonable loan when you think about 2nd mortgages or home equity covering it.


Paying 37% across 4-5 years is NOT the same as a $20K lump sum. And who has home equity anymore? My dad has 2 mortgages on his house already, and I'm 32 and still can't afford a down payment.
 
2012-09-05 06:35:25 PM  
Off topic, Rush Limbaugh just said that "Obama isn't black because he doesn't have slave-blood". I predict this is going to go well.
 
2012-09-05 06:35:58 PM  
Castro said that Romney said to "Borrow money from your parents" to start a business and that that line was indicative of the fact that Romney doesn't really get that that's not an option for a lot of folks.

Check tape: "Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business."

So what's the problem?

Oh, I see the problem, I'm reading a farking NutClusters link.

Yeah, not only do they tell lies all the time often those lies involve other people lying who didn't.

Not enough for them to poison the discourse by telling their own deliberate and carefully crafted lies they have to call every truth uttered a lie as well.

They say "When all you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail".

The GOP aint even got a hammer.

All they have left is lies.

/Oh, and millions and millions of dollars from the 1%ers to muddy the waters of debate and propagandize the American public into voting against their economic self interests again, so there's that.
 
2012-09-05 06:36:16 PM  

LordStormes: Obama was referring to the "American system", which is singular, hence, "You didn't build THAT."


Why are you trying to use logic? TPC is an inveterate liar. Trying to explain the facts to him is like trying to explain General Relativity to your dog: it's a waste of time.

The truth is TPC is completely invested in the Republican noise machine. Either he's being paid by the RNC or he's an idiot.

Paraphrasing here, but you can't use facts to convince someone like TPC because he didn't use facts to come to his conclusion in the first place.

I've restricted myself to asking right wingnuts to explain their position logically.

Not surprisingly, I almost never get a responsive answer.
 
2012-09-05 06:37:00 PM  

amiable: Off topic, Rush Limbaugh just said that "Obama isn't black because he doesn't have slave-blood". I predict this is going to go well.


That makes sense, I've been telling people I AM black because I can speak Swahili. Going to go with Rushbo on this one.

//not really
 
2012-09-05 06:37:17 PM  
Fwiw it's worth, I completely agree with Mitt Romney's point: if you are fortunate enough to be able to just borrow tens of thousands of dollars to get an education or start a business, you should utilize that resource.

I also agree with the Democrats that it's in the best interests of the country to provide a mechanism that allows access to similar resources for those who might not be as fortunate.
 
2012-09-05 06:37:18 PM  

amiable: Off topic, Rush Limbaugh just said that "Obama isn't black because he doesn't have slave-blood". I predict this is going to go well.


oh, that sounds like a cry for attention.

poor fat man.
 
2012-09-05 06:38:03 PM  

eraser8: LordStormes: Obama was referring to the "American system", which is singular, hence, "You didn't build THAT."

Why are you trying to use logic? TPC is an inveterate liar. Trying to explain the facts to him is like trying to explain General Relativity to your dog: it's a waste of time.

The truth is TPC is completely invested in the Republican noise machine. Either he's being paid by the RNC or he's an idiot.

Paraphrasing here, but you can't use facts to convince someone like TPC because he didn't use facts to come to his conclusion in the first place.

I've restricted myself to asking right wingnuts to explain their position logically.

Not surprisingly, I almost never get a responsive answer.


True story: In my first week as a dog owner, my ex caught me, bathing the puppy in the bathtub, explaining gravity to him. She told me, "Honey, you're brilliant, and you're going to be a great dad one day. But I doubt the dog gets it."
 
2012-09-05 06:41:49 PM  

Isitoveryet: amiable: Off topic, Rush Limbaugh just said that "Obama isn't black because he doesn't have slave-blood". I predict this is going to go well.

oh, that sounds like a cry for attention.

poor fat man.


i.qkme.me
 
2012-09-05 06:50:26 PM  

amiable: Off topic, Rush Limbaugh just said that "Obama isn't black because he doesn't have slave-blood". I predict this is going to go well.


SLAVE-BLOOD??!??!?!?

Dear god, just when you think that fool can't say anything more stupid and degenerate, he triples-down.
 
2012-09-05 06:51:09 PM  

impaler: tenpoundsofcheese: The difference is that the build it line was in context.
- he would have said "those" not that if he meant infrastructure.
- antecedents, how do they work?

Let's pretend 10lbsOfDerp has a point. Which of these two sentences make sense?

"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the business"
"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the roads and bridges"

Keep in mind this was a speech about how no one is an island.

What point does the first part of the sentence have? It's nonsensical if "that" isn't referring to the first part of the sentence.

Republican scum like tenpoundsofcheese are such dishonest liars, they have to lie about lying.


Would have been simpler if he'd just said this:

"Ask not what you have done for your country, ask what your country has done for you."
 
2012-09-05 06:51:36 PM  
Obviously img0.fark.net was out of the room when the Romney chair spoke.
i232.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-05 06:51:39 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Castro paraphrases Romney, but what Romney actually said retains its meaning = OUTRAGE


It's the new and quickly oh-so-tired right wing tact of accusing your opponent of the behaviour you model. Decent people avoid these spinning nitwits in the real world.
 
2012-09-05 06:54:13 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Romney uses words that Obama actually said, but completely out of context, therefore changing their implied meaning = fine.

Castro paraphrases Romney, but what Romney actually said retains its meaning = OUTRAGE

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I loved that cartoon.
 
2012-09-05 06:54:28 PM  
Rep. Emanuel Cleaver just decided that it had been too quiet in the convention hall up 'till now.
 
2012-09-05 06:55:48 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: Mrtraveler01: This is the saddest attempt to spin this lie to date.

Just wanted you to know.

What else would you expect from tenp0unds0fcheese? Facts are not his strong suit.


I have him iggied as "ten pounds of cheese, twenty pounds of stupid"
 
2012-09-05 06:56:24 PM  

Cletus C.: impaler: tenpoundsofcheese: The difference is that the build it line was in context.
- he would have said "those" not that if he meant infrastructure.
- antecedents, how do they work?

Let's pretend 10lbsOfDerp has a point. Which of these two sentences make sense?

"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the business"
"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the roads and bridges"

Keep in mind this was a speech about how no one is an island.

What point does the first part of the sentence have? It's nonsensical if "that" isn't referring to the first part of the sentence.

Republican scum like tenpoundsofcheese are such dishonest liars, they have to lie about lying.

Would have been simpler if he'd just said this:

"Ask not what you have done for your country, ask what your country has done for you."


If it's really so obvious that Obama was saying "you didn't build that business" why is the speech so carefully edited every time its shown by the GOP or Fox News? Why not just show the additional 3 seconds? Is it because Republicans are compulsive liars and can't stop themselves? Or are you just full of crap?
 
2012-09-05 06:56:57 PM  

Cletus C.: Would have been simpler if he'd just said this:

"Ask not what you have done for your country, ask what your country has done for you."


As I said yesterday, the only person in the world who is successful without their country doing something for them is Somali warlord Mohammed Farah Aidid.
 
2012-09-05 06:58:12 PM  

magusdevil: Cletus C.: impaler: tenpoundsofcheese: The difference is that the build it line was in context.
- he would have said "those" not that if he meant infrastructure.
- antecedents, how do they work?

Let's pretend 10lbsOfDerp has a point. Which of these two sentences make sense?

"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the business"
"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the roads and bridges"

Keep in mind this was a speech about how no one is an island.

What point does the first part of the sentence have? It's nonsensical if "that" isn't referring to the first part of the sentence.

Republican scum like tenpoundsofcheese are such dishonest liars, they have to lie about lying.

Would have been simpler if he'd just said this:

"Ask not what you have done for your country, ask what your country has done for you."

If it's really so obvious that Obama was saying "you didn't build that business" why is the speech so carefully edited every time its shown by the GOP or Fox News? Why not just show the additional 3 seconds? Is it because Republicans are compulsive liars and can't stop themselves? Or are you just full of crap?


You know how I know you're not talking about me? Because I posted the whole thing earlier.
 
2012-09-05 06:58:23 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Would have been simpler if he'd just said this:

"Ask not what you have done for your country, ask what your country has done for you."

As I said yesterday, the only person in the world who is successful without their country doing something for them is Somali warlord Mohammed Farah Aidid.


If hard work and intelligence was all it took to succeed no matter what, it wouldn't be called The American Dream, it'd just be called The Dream.
 
2012-09-05 06:59:30 PM  

Cletus C.: magusdevil: Cletus C.: impaler: tenpoundsofcheese: The difference is that the build it line was in context.
- he would have said "those" not that if he meant infrastructure.
- antecedents, how do they work?

Let's pretend 10lbsOfDerp has a point. Which of these two sentences make sense?

"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the business"
"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the roads and bridges"

Keep in mind this was a speech about how no one is an island.

What point does the first part of the sentence have? It's nonsensical if "that" isn't referring to the first part of the sentence.

Republican scum like tenpoundsofcheese are such dishonest liars, they have to lie about lying.

Would have been simpler if he'd just said this:

"Ask not what you have done for your country, ask what your country has done for you."

If it's really so obvious that Obama was saying "you didn't build that business" why is the speech so carefully edited every time its shown by the GOP or Fox News? Why not just show the additional 3 seconds? Is it because Republicans are compulsive liars and can't stop themselves? Or are you just full of crap?

You know how I know you're not talking about me? Because I posted the whole thing earlier.


Congratulations you're more intellectually honest than Fox News and the RNC. Also, you're the thinnest kid at fat camp.
 
2012-09-05 07:00:23 PM  
rofls, poor conservatives... it would be much easier to claim the Romney quotes were made up if it weren't for that meddling internet with all those videos of him saying them.
 
2012-09-05 07:02:24 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Cletus C.: Would have been simpler if he'd just said this:

"Ask not what you have done for your country, ask what your country has done for you."

As I said yesterday, the only person in the world who is successful without their country doing something for them is Somali warlord Mohammed Farah Aidid.


That's not true. His country's government turned a blind eye to warlords in the first place, allowing him to build up enough power to be successful.
 
2012-09-05 07:03:57 PM  

magusdevil: Congratulations you're more intellectually honest than Fox News and the RNC. Also, you're the thinnest kid at fat camp.


In that case, I'm liking my chances at the bbw smorgasbord.
 
2012-09-05 07:04:22 PM  
Would you people quit bumping this thread??
 
2012-09-05 07:05:12 PM  

LordStormes: That's not true. His country's government turned a blind eye to warlords in the first place, allowing him to build up enough power to be successful


His country didn't have a functioning government for about 11 years. Only now are they even starting to have a functioning parliament.
 
2012-09-05 07:05:37 PM  

whidbey: Would you people quit bumping this thread??


img835.imageshack.us
 
2012-09-05 07:06:44 PM  

Jackson Herring: TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.

It's pederasty, you sick farks


What's a pederast?
 
2012-09-05 07:09:03 PM  

magusdevil: Congratulations you're more intellectually honest than Fox News and the RNC


He was still arguing "that" referred to the business. That doesn't make him more intellectually honest. He's just makes him stupid.
 
2012-09-05 07:09:30 PM  

Biological Ali: Jackson Herring: TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.

It's pederasty, you sick farks

What's a pederast?


You pederast, I pederanswered.
 
2012-09-05 07:11:19 PM  

impaler: magusdevil: Congratulations you're more intellectually honest than Fox News and the RNC

He was still arguing "that" referred to the business. That doesn't make him more intellectually honest. He's just makes him stupid.


He's arguing that in the context of the whole speech the "that" referred to business. That's intellectually honest. It's not intellectually smart, or correct, but at least its honestly stupid.
 
2012-09-05 07:15:36 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Castro: "'Borrow money if you have to from your parents,' he told them."
Romney: "Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business."

What's the problem again?


Romney retroactively changed what he said a few days later:

"Take a risk, get the education, start a lemonade stand and hide your profits in an offshore tax shelter".
 
2012-09-05 07:16:52 PM  

impaler: He's just makes him stupid.


He's just stupid.
That just makes him stupid.

Damn it.
 
2012-09-05 07:23:16 PM  

LordStormes: If you were successful, somebody along the line gave you some help. There was a great teacher somewhere in your life. Somebody helped to create this unbelievable American system that we have that allowed you to thrive. Somebody invested in roads and bridges. If you've got a business - you didn't build that. Somebody else made that happen. The Internet didn't get invented on its own. Government research created the Internet so that all the companies could make money off the Internet.

Obama was referring to the "American system", which is singular, hence, "You didn't build THAT." It was a bit awkward with the "roads and bridges" sentence in-between. Pick your poison. Do you want the man to speak from the heart, and not craft every word precisely for how it could be twisted by desperate opponents? Because when he has done that, Republicans accused him of being an empty teleprompter.

At what point can anyone who has a letter after their name that doesn't match yours do ANYTHING right? America is roughly 50% Republican and 50% Democrat. Thus, the Senate and House will both always be pretty close to that. The presidential elections (popular-vote wise) are all close to that. When are we going to accept that no majority big enough to do ANYTHING will ever realistically exist, and as such, the only way to make ANY progress is to drop the bullshiat and look for common ground?


There's always voter suppression...
 
2012-09-05 07:23:59 PM  

bdub77: Not out of context. Perfectly in context. Romney told people they should borrow money from their parents if they have to, either for educational purposes or to start a business. And Castro's point was, not everyone has Daddy Warbucks as a father.


RyogaM: I thought he meant borrow money for college, which, yeah, stupid, because it assumes everyone's got parents that have money lying around. But, now, good lord, the stupid has been kicked up into high gear. I never knew he advised high school graduates to borrow tens of thousands from their parents to start a new business. That's just completely, retardedly, wildly irresponsible. Might as well tell kids to screw college and start a band 'cause then all the chicks will dig you. Also, try blow.


<speak mode="sarcasm" level="dripping" voice="LeonardNimoy">Well, then, if your father isn't independently wealthy, just do what Romney did and persuade some random local businessman to sponsor your education and early employment!</speak>
 
2012-09-05 07:25:06 PM  
Is the author retarded?
 
2012-09-05 07:28:14 PM  

Pocket Ninja: MrBallou: So One = Several in derpmitter math?

Thomas Edison, after inventing the telephone, was asked what he thought it would mean for society to have at their fingertips such easy means of communicating over long distance. He replied, after a short period of contemplation, that he was both excited and unnerved at what his invention might mean. Why excited? asked the interviewer, to which Mr. Edison replied, "We are at the threshold of an age when all information -- be it for good or ill, be it truth or lie -- is at our fingertips." Why, then, unnerved? "Because I am afraid that the lies will have a way of overtaking the truth," he replied.

Interestingly, some decades later, noted Nazi propagandist Joseph "Frank" Goebbels loosely paraphrased Edison when he said, "The real truth is that 100 truths will always lose the race to a single lie."

All of which is to say that, where lies are concerned, the difference between one and one million is of no consequence, in the end. Roosevelt said that, by the way.


Edison inventing the telephone is no more, nor no less factual than anything Romney has uttered.
 
2012-09-05 07:29:17 PM  

COMALite J: bdub77: Not out of context. Perfectly in context. Romney told people they should borrow money from their parents if they have to, either for educational purposes or to start a business. And Castro's point was, not everyone has Daddy Warbucks as a father.

RyogaM: I thought he meant borrow money for college, which, yeah, stupid, because it assumes everyone's got parents that have money lying around. But, now, good lord, the stupid has been kicked up into high gear. I never knew he advised high school graduates to borrow tens of thousands from their parents to start a new business. That's just completely, retardedly, wildly irresponsible. Might as well tell kids to screw college and start a band 'cause then all the chicks will dig you. Also, try blow.

<speak mode="sarcasm" level="dripping" voice="LeonardNimoy">Well, then, if your father isn't independently wealthy, just do what Romney did and persuade some random local businessman to sponsor your education and early employment!</speak>


25.media.tumblr.com
I can make that work.
 
2012-09-05 07:34:34 PM  
So, wait a second, the argument is that the 'if you need to' makes the 'borrow money from your parents' part less stupid? I'll be LUCKY to pay for my kids college education even WITH taking equity out of my home. Am I supposed to tap into my retirement nest-egg, such that it is, too?

I got a few thousand dollars from my parents after high school... total. And they are GREAT parents. The idea that borrowing money, even 'if you have to', from your parents to start a business is a viable option for large swaths of the American population is about as out of touch as you can get.
 
2012-09-05 07:37:32 PM  

Doc Lee: Is the author retarded?

Yes , as a matter of fact
www.sadlyno.com
 
2012-09-05 07:39:54 PM  
What an utter failwreck of a 'fact check'.
 
2012-09-05 07:42:38 PM  

impaler: magusdevil: Congratulations you're more intellectually honest than Fox News and the RNC

He was still arguing "that" referred to the business. That doesn't make him more intellectually honest. He's just makes him stupid.


Actually, I was arguing that it was a stupid speech at just the wrong time.

Government does all. Without government you are nothing.

Does Obama really need that?
 
2012-09-05 07:47:25 PM  

amiable: Off topic, Rush Limbaugh just said that "Obama isn't black because he doesn't have slave-blood". I predict this is going to go well.


The fat man is too wedged in the media empire to really get in trouble with that.
 
2012-09-05 07:54:17 PM  

Cletus C.: impaler: magusdevil: Congratulations you're more intellectually honest than Fox News and the RNC

He was still arguing "that" referred to the business. That doesn't make him more intellectually honest. He's just makes him stupid.

Actually, I was arguing that it was a stupid speech at just the wrong time.

Government does all. Without government you are nothing.


Does Obama really need that?


No. Which makes it a good thing he didn't say that.
 
2012-09-05 07:54:54 PM  
I know it's bad form to comment on the joke, but seriously, that was hilarious.
 
2012-09-05 08:14:38 PM  

sprawl15: whidbey: Would you people quit bumping this thread??

[img835.imageshack.us image 640x480]


www.ivandavidoff.com
 
2012-09-05 08:21:57 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Diogenes: "You didn't build that."

I guess sound bite isolation from context and cherry-picking is only OK if you're Republican.

HA!

Except of course, when Romney said "borrow money from your parents" he actually meant borrow money from your parents.


wouldn't it be cheaper on you in the long run if you could borrow the money from your parents or relatives rather than from some big coporate bank? If that options is available to you, why not take it?

/my two sons are working their way through college, wiht NO LOANS. OHMYGAWD!!! How will they be able to do it without help from fartbongo and his minions?
 
2012-09-05 08:27:31 PM  

Tumunga: Lionel Mandrake: Diogenes: "You didn't build that."

I guess sound bite isolation from context and cherry-picking is only OK if you're Republican.

HA!

Except of course, when Romney said "borrow money from your parents" he actually meant borrow money from your parents.

wouldn't it be cheaper on you in the long run if you could borrow the money from your parents or relatives rather than from some big coporate bank? If that options is available to you, why not take it?

/my two sons are working their way through college, wiht NO LOANS. OHMYGAWD!!! How will they be able to do it without help from fartbongo and his minions?


Clown college is pretty cheap.
 
2012-09-05 08:28:12 PM  
the comments on the newsbuster site are fantastic. there's about 40 threads of a guy explaining that he was being sarcastic and not really a liberal, its gold jerry!
 
2012-09-05 08:29:09 PM  

DarwiOdrade: Castro: "'Borrow money if you have to from your parents,' he told them."
Romney: "Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business."

What's the problem again?


Dems believe you can't start a business. You can only work for, or get money from, the government.

/this is what they actually believe now.
//they didn't used to.
 
2012-09-05 08:30:50 PM  

Tumunga: DarwiOdrade: Castro: "'Borrow money if you have to from your parents,' he told them."
Romney: "Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business."

What's the problem again?

Dems believe you can't start a business. You can only work for, or get money from, the government.

/this is what they actually believe now.
//they didn't used to.


Disingenuous statement is disingenuous. I'm shocked by this revelation.
 
2012-09-05 08:31:06 PM  
Yeah, maybe the Democrats shouldn't have made ""Take a shot, go for it, take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents, start a business," As the theme of the convention. But, my heavens, the posters, the t-shirts, the constant yelling back from the crowd, "My parents don't have $20,000 to loan me" got to be a little much.
 
2012-09-05 08:47:26 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Jackson Herring: TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.

It's pederasty, you sick farks

Wouldn't they all fall under the heading "pedophilia"?


HA!
 
2012-09-05 08:52:47 PM  
Didn't read the whole thread, but I love Newsbuster's schtick. It's all about casting aspersions and just hoping their readers don't have the intellectual honesty or stamina to actually comprehend the substance of the article. The person who runs the site must do some serious mental gymnastics to sustain his warped ethical views
 
2012-09-05 08:53:59 PM  

magusdevil: Cletus C.: magusdevil: Cletus C.: impaler: tenpoundsofcheese: The difference is that the build it line was in context.
- he would have said "those" not that if he meant infrastructure.
- antecedents, how do they work?

Let's pretend 10lbsOfDerp has a point. Which of these two sentences make sense?

"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the business"
"People invested in roads and bridges, if you have a business, you didn't build the roads and bridges"

Keep in mind this was a speech about how no one is an island.

What point does the first part of the sentence have? It's nonsensical if "that" isn't referring to the first part of the sentence.

Republican scum like tenpoundsofcheese are such dishonest liars, they have to lie about lying.

Would have been simpler if he'd just said this:

"Ask not what you have done for your country, ask what your country has done for you."

If it's really so obvious that Obama was saying "you didn't build that business" why is the speech so carefully edited every time its shown by the GOP or Fox News? Why not just show the additional 3 seconds? Is it because Republicans are compulsive liars and can't stop themselves? Or are you just full of crap?

You know how I know you're not talking about me? Because I posted the whole thing earlier.

Congratulations you're more intellectually honest than Fox News and the RNC. Also, you're the thinnest kid at fat camp.


And he misunderstood it. He's the smartest kid on the short bus.
 
2012-09-05 08:57:15 PM  
Wow, Republicans are stupid, who knew?
 
2012-09-05 09:25:31 PM  
Liautaud founded Jimmy John's in 1983 after graduating second to last in his class at Elgin Academy (1982) and receiving the choice from his father to join the military, go to college, or start a business.
Liautaud chose the latter and accepted his father's $25,000 loan to start a hot dog business - with Liautaud owning 52% of the business and his father owning 48%.[5] After realizing a hot dog business would cost more than anticipated, Liautaud opened his first sandwich shop.
 
2012-09-05 09:33:35 PM  

Serious Black: I alone am best: Romney was just saying that to succeed you need to take a risk which is why he illustrated it with a story. Jimmy John was not going to school, so he took the risk of having to join the military against his wishes because his father attached those conditions on the loan.

Castro took it as "DERRRR You need to borrow money from your parents to succeed."

That's hilarious given the story of how Romney was given Bain Capital with a ludicrous sweetheart deal that, if the company failed, he would not only get his old job at Bain and Company back WITH RAISES, but they would craft a cover story explaining how they valued his consultant skills when he returned so as to not ruin his reputation. Mitt Romney's life is all about not taking risks.


Hedging one's bets isn't a dumb or unfair thing to do but I do agree it is pretty disingenuous to think Mittens has as much to lose in a start up business situation as those of us who aren't retardedly well connected would.
 
2012-09-05 09:40:43 PM  

TheAnalogKid: Liautaud founded Jimmy John's in 1983 after graduating second to last in his class at Elgin Academy (1982) and receiving the choice from his father to join the military, go to college, or start a business.
Liautaud chose the latter and accepted his father's $25,000 loan to start a hot dog business - with Liautaud owning 52% of the business and his father owning 48%.[5] After realizing a hot dog business would cost more than anticipated, Liautaud opened his first sandwich shop.


Jimmy Johns sucks.
 
2012-09-05 09:51:17 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

You didn't build that.
 
2012-09-05 10:41:57 PM  

Cletus C.: Hypocritical doesn't even begin to capture this predictable and tiring farklib shadow boxing. What Romney said was clearly twisted out of context. What Romney said was actually the nice story of a successful businessman.



Castro PRETENDED that Romney said "...start a business," and "...borrow money if you have to from your parents"

Obviously a lie.

What Romney ACTUALLY said was "...borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business."


Totally different.
 
2012-09-05 10:50:07 PM  

Doc Lee: Is the author retarded?


He works for NewsBusters, it's kind of a pre-requisite.
 
2012-09-05 10:56:18 PM  

Tumunga: my two sons are working their way through college


Going where and doing what to pay for it?
Do they live by themselves, or in your basement?
Do they have scholarships?
 
2012-09-05 11:55:20 PM  

Sergeant Grumbles: Tumunga: my two sons are working their way through college

Going where and doing what to pay for it?
Do they live by themselves, or in your basement?
Do they have scholarships?


Do they spit?
Or swallow?
 
2012-09-05 11:55:40 PM  

impaler: timujin: It seems, perhaps, that Romney was saying "borrow money from your parents" not to start a business, but to go to school.

Tough to say.

Romney: We've always encouraged young people take it, take a shot, go for it. Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business.

I was with a guy named Jimmy John. I've met Jimmy John. Jimmy John, hope I get the story entirely right, I think I will, he graduated from high school, and he didn't want to go to college. And he said to his Dad can I borrow some money I want to start a business. His dad said, "I just don't think you've got the discipline to start a business and make it work." And he said, "I'll loan you the money but if you can't pay it back with interest by the end of the year I want you to go into the military and sign up." And he said, "Okay I'll do that."


I'm utterly shocked that the rich view military service as a punishment.
 
2012-09-06 12:07:14 AM  

spamdog: Didn't read the whole thread, but I love Newsbuster's schtick. It's all about casting aspersions and just hoping their readers don't have the intellectual honesty or stamina to actually comprehend the substance of the article. The person who runs the site must do some serious mental gymnastics be paid a lot by pro-GOP PACs to sustain his warped ethical views


FTFY
 
2012-09-06 12:09:29 AM  

More_Like_A_Stain: Do they spit?
Or swallow?


Naw, just wondering how it's done.
I worked through my entire time spent at college, graduates in 2009, and my paycheck couldn't cover living expenses and tuition, so I still came out with debt even though I went to a cheaper state school. Hell, tuition, fees, and books cost more than rent.
Whenever someone says they or their close friends/relatives are working to put themselves through college, I balk. That just isn't doable for the average person. It always comes down to one or more of a few things:
1) They have a job that pays more and with greater flexibility than the average college student has access to.
2) They have a place to stay free or extremely cheap, usually in the form of a family member, and thus have less need to spend their paychecks on rent. utlities, food, etc.
3) Scholarships, which don't count as "working" through college
 
2012-09-06 03:11:03 AM  
Those darn liberals at Politifact went ahead and rated it.
 
2012-09-06 04:37:55 AM  
i46.tinypic.com

author is baby-blue-clamdiggers-on-head retarded
 
2012-09-06 10:18:06 AM  

ivan: TalenLee: Lando Lincoln: I could care less about any of this pedantry.

It's 'pedarism,' don't worry, people make that mistake a lot.

The OED differs with you:


Cool! Self-referential meta-pedantry!

(And it's actually "pedantarism")
 
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