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2012-09-05 01:54:30 PM  
"You didn't build that."

I guess sound bite isolation from context and cherry-picking is only OK if you're Republican.
 
2012-09-05 01:55:58 PM  
www.parentsconnect.com
 
2012-09-05 01:57:26 PM  
So One = Several in derpmitter math?
 
2012-09-05 01:57:58 PM  
I don't think there is anything that Romney has not said at one time or another. Let's test this.

Newsbuster headline: Will Media Fact-Check Castro's Line About Romney Telling Students to Borrow Money From Parents?
Newsbusters own Romney quote: Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business.

Yep, I was right. My other theory, that Newsbusters is always full of shiat, is also still to be disproven.
 
2012-09-05 01:59:09 PM  
photos.imageevent.com
 
2012-09-05 01:59:44 PM  
Yeah, I watched the video and I don't really see a problem with what Castro said.
Romney: "...borrow money, if you have to, from your parents." then he went on to tell about someone who borrowed $20,000 from his father.
Castro quoting Romney: the exact goddamn thing. And it wasn't taken out if context like the whole " you didn't build that" bs.
 
2012-09-05 02:00:06 PM  

Karac: Newsbuster headline: Will Media Fact-Check Castro's Line About Romney Telling Students to Borrow Money From Parents?
Newsbusters own Romney quote: Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business.


lol. hoisted by their own petard!
 
2012-09-05 02:02:49 PM  

Given all the scrutiny presenters got for their addresses at last week's Republican National Convention, *sniffle* one has to wonder if the press will fact-check the following section of Castro's speech...

"A few months ago he visited a university in Ohio and gave the students there a little entrepreneurial advice. 'Start a business,' he said. But how? 'Borrow money if you have to from your parents,' he told them. Gee, why didn't I think of that? Some people are lucky enough to borrow money from their parents"
...
As you can see, in its full context, Romney was talking about encouraging young people to "take a shot" and "take a risk" and borrow money from parents "if you have to" to "start a business."

Such borrowing was intended as a last resort and not the business model Castro implied.


FFS. "Out of context" does not mean "words preceded or followed the quote" you damn ignoramus. I'm failing to see how the "full context" changes anything.
 
2012-09-05 02:06:28 PM  
Romney uses words that Obama actually said, but completely out of context, therefore changing their implied meaning = fine.

Castro paraphrases Romney, but what Romney actually said retains its meaning = OUTRAGE
 
2012-09-05 02:06:35 PM  

MrBallou: So One = Several in derpmitter math?


Thomas Edison, after inventing the telephone, was asked what he thought it would mean for society to have at their fingertips such easy means of communicating over long distance. He replied, after a short period of contemplation, that he was both excited and unnerved at what his invention might mean. Why excited? asked the interviewer, to which Mr. Edison replied, "We are at the threshold of an age when all information -- be it for good or ill, be it truth or lie -- is at our fingertips." Why, then, unnerved? "Because I am afraid that the lies will have a way of overtaking the truth," he replied.

Interestingly, some decades later, noted Nazi propagandist Joseph "Frank" Goebbels loosely paraphrased Edison when he said, "The real truth is that 100 truths will always lose the race to a single lie."

All of which is to say that, where lies are concerned, the difference between one and one million is of no consequence, in the end. Roosevelt said that, by the way.
 
2012-09-05 02:07:56 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Romney uses words that Obama actually said, but completely out of context, therefore changing their implied meaning = fine.

Castro paraphrases Romney, but what Romney actually said retains its meaning = OUTRAGE


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2012-09-05 02:10:41 PM  

Jackson Herring: sweetmelissa31: Romney uses words that Obama actually said, but completely out of context, therefore changing their implied meaning = fine.

Castro paraphrases Romney, but what Romney actually said retains its meaning = OUTRAGE

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2012-09-05 02:10:46 PM  
again, all I hear from Republicans this entire election, WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
 
2012-09-05 02:11:21 PM  

Diogenes: "You didn't build that."

I guess sound bite isolation from context and cherry-picking is only OK if you're Republican.


HA!

Except of course, when Romney said "borrow money from your parents" he actually meant borrow money from your parents.
 
2012-09-05 02:11:40 PM  

Diogenes: "You didn't build that."

I guess sound bite isolation from context and cherry-picking is only OK if you're Republican.


done in one.

the only difference is, castro got the essence of romney's quote right, and the GOP completely misrepresented the obama quote.
 
2012-09-05 02:12:56 PM  
Castro accurately quoted Romney. Why the moral outrage??

It must be because Castro actually told THE TRUTH.
 
2012-09-05 02:13:09 PM  
Where do they find these mongs?
All of their correspondents look like premies

newsbusters.orgi2.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-09-05 02:17:35 PM  

impaler: FFS. "Out of context" does not mean "words preceded or followed the quote" you damn ignoramus. I'm failing to see how the "full context" changes anything.


Republicans like to use the phrase "out of context" when they mean, "harmful to our candidate."
 
2012-09-05 02:19:24 PM  
Drew's trolling the Politics tab today I see.
 
2012-09-05 02:19:55 PM  
Subby, does your vagina hurt?
 
2012-09-05 02:20:27 PM  

impaler: Given all the scrutiny presenters got for their addresses at last week's Republican National Convention, *sniffle* one has to wonder if the press will fact-check the following section of Castro's speech...

"A few months ago he visited a university in Ohio and gave the students there a little entrepreneurial advice. 'Start a business,' he said. But how? 'Borrow money if you have to from your parents,' he told them. Gee, why didn't I think of that? Some people are lucky enough to borrow money from their parents"
...
As you can see, in its full context, Romney was talking about encouraging young people to "take a shot" and "take a risk" and borrow money from parents "if you have to" to "start a business."

Such borrowing was intended as a last resort and not the business model Castro implied.

FFS. "Out of context" does not mean "words preceded or followed the quote" you damn ignoramus. I'm failing to see how the "full context" changes anything.


It seems, perhaps, that Romney was saying "borrow money from your parents" not to start a business, but to go to school. He also said, "start a business."

It doesn't change the point, nor does it make Castro's point irrelevant, but it's enough to get the 'tards at NewsBuster's all in a tizzy and that, at least, makes me chuckle.
 
2012-09-05 02:20:45 PM  

Lionel Mandrake: Except of course, when Romney said "borrow money from your parents" he actually meant borrow money from your parents.


But he MEANT 'borrow money from your parents only as a last resort.'

See? TOTALLY different meaning.
 
2012-09-05 02:21:32 PM  

sweetmelissa31: Romney uses words that Obama actually said, but completely out of context, therefore changing their implied meaning = fine.

Castro paraphrases Romney, but what Romney actually said retains its meaning = OUTRAGE


Both sides are bad, vote Derpmenistan.
 
2012-09-05 02:22:59 PM  

make me some tea: Drew's trolling the Politics tab today I see.


Today?
 
2012-09-05 02:23:32 PM  

FlashHarry: Diogenes: "You didn't build that."

I guess sound bite isolation from context and cherry-picking is only OK if you're Republican.

done in one.

the only difference is, castro got the essence of romney's quote right, and the GOP completely misrepresented the obama quote.


And yet that 'quote' has been good for a sh*t-ton of miles. It's firmly lodged in the brain of every low-info voter out there.

You don't even have to be a liberal to see how cheap the "you didn't build that" debacle is. It's a low point of politics, not much higher than swiftboating. But the 'quote' as defined by Republicans is now the gospel truth.
 
2012-09-05 02:25:12 PM  
Oh, also, it's "keynote," subby, not "Key Note."
 
2012-09-05 02:27:01 PM  
What is with all the Republican whining today?
 
2012-09-05 02:28:03 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Lionel Mandrake: Except of course, when Romney said "borrow money from your parents" he actually meant borrow money from your parents.

But he MEANT 'borrow money from your parents only as a last resort.'

See? TOTALLY different meaning.


OK, let me check Romney's quote. Seems he's telling some anecdote of a guy who as a first and only resort borrowed $20,000 from pops to start a sub shop. Newsbusters is complaining about somebody quoting Romney out of context by saying the proper context is something that is flat-out unsupported by what he actually said in any context.

Again, my newsbusters = pile of shiat theory waiting to be disproven.
 
2012-09-05 02:29:29 PM  
The beauty of making up Romney quotes is that, due to his quantum nature, he will say them eventually

/if he hasn't already
//retroactively
 
2012-09-05 02:30:48 PM  

Vodka Zombie: What is with all the Republican whining today?


Today?
 
2012-09-05 02:32:03 PM  

timujin: It seems, perhaps, that Romney was saying "borrow money from your parents" not to start a business, but to go to school.


Tough to say.

Romney: We've always encouraged young people take it, take a shot, go for it. Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business.

I was with a guy named Jimmy John. I've met Jimmy John. Jimmy John, hope I get the story entirely right, I think I will, he graduated from high school, and he didn't want to go to college. And he said to his Dad can I borrow some money I want to start a business. His dad said, "I just don't think you've got the discipline to start a business and make it work." And he said, "I'll loan you the money but if you can't pay it back with interest by the end of the year I want you to go into the military and sign up." And he said, "Okay I'll do that."
 
2012-09-05 02:37:01 PM  

Kome: Vodka Zombie: What is with all the Republican whining today?

Today?


I see I'm not needed here.
 
2012-09-05 02:42:23 PM  
Not out of context. Perfectly in context. Romney told people they should borrow money from their parents if they have to, either for educational purposes or to start a business. And Castro's point was, not everyone has Daddy Warbucks as a father.

Here's what he said entirely in context:

Unimportant filler:
Even now I believe you're watching the president who has trying to deflect and divert. From his record by trying to find ways to, if you will, attack fellow Americans. Between rich and poor and other dimensions. This kind of divisiveness, this attack of success, is very different than what we've seen in our country's history.

What he said about getting an education:
We've always encouraged young people take it, take a shot, go for it. Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business.

That's exactly what he said. Borrow money from your family if you don't already have it (from your trust fund, I assume) either for business or education. Well you can borrow money if you're a student (which has kind of become a problem, look at the student loan bubble) but you definitely aren't going to get a small business loan unless you've already got collateral worth basically the amount of the loan. I don't know any 18 year olds with that kind of money.

Start a business. Well you need money to start a business, as he points out below. Here is his example, a guy who borrowed from his dad:
I was with a guy named Jimmy John. I've met Jimmy John. Jimmy John, hope I get the story entirely right, I think I will, he graduated from high school, and he didn't want to go to college. And he said to his Dad can I borrow some money I want to start a business. His dad said, "I just don't think you've got the discipline to start a business and make it work." And he said, "I'll loan you the money but if you can't pay it back with interest by the end of the year I want you to go into the military and sign up." And he said, "Okay I'll do that."

Good for JJ. I love his sandwiches. But he got money from his dad, even with the military stipulations in it. This is all love for JJ, he took a risk which paid off.

Then he points out how much money you really need to start most businesses:
And I think he said he borrowed 20,000 dollars from his dad, was going to start a restaurant. Then he found out how expensive it is to buy all the restaurant equipment and 20,000 dollars wouldn't cut it. The only thing that would work for 20,000 dollars was a sandwich shop.

Not only did the guy need a lot of money to start a business, as someone astutely pointed out, this was in 1983 and the loan was in fact $25K, not $20K. An internet inflation calculator says that 25,000 1983 dollars is something like 55,000 2012 dollars

Hey if you've got 55,000 lying around to give your kid on a business in which about 60% of businesses fail within five years - you're probably a wealthy kind of dad. Also he went to Elgin Academy which is a private prep school. Tuition 2011-2012 was about 18K a year for high school. Keep that in mind.
 
2012-09-05 02:46:28 PM  
There's way too much wordiness in this thread.

Romney said it.

Castro repeated it.

The point was that Romney doesn't understand that some people just don't have that option because their families don't have a spare $20,000 lying around.

Castro was right.

Newsbusters is pancakes-on-head wee-todd-ed.
 
2012-09-05 02:48:33 PM  

dickfreckle: Kome: Vodka Zombie: What is with all the Republican whining today?

Today?

I see I'm not needed here.


Well, yeah... They do whine every... freaking... day. But, today, they really seem to have stepped it up.
 
2012-09-05 02:52:32 PM  

Vodka Zombie: dickfreckle: Kome: Vodka Zombie: What is with all the Republican whining today?

Today?

I see I'm not needed here.

Well, yeah... They do whine every... freaking... day. But, today, they really seem to have stepped it up.


Clinton speaking tonight, Derpcon 2.
Obama tomorrow will be Derpcon 1.
 
2012-09-05 03:02:36 PM  
The nice thing about misquoting Romney is that if you wait long enough, he'll eventually say what you said he said.
 
2012-09-05 03:03:12 PM  
Key Note? Like it's two words?

Subby is THAT stupid? Well, he bought this bullshiat article, so I'm being redundant...
 
2012-09-05 03:04:26 PM  

Vodka Zombie: dickfreckle: Kome: Vodka Zombie: What is with all the Republican whining today?

Today?

I see I'm not needed here.

Well, yeah... They do whine every... freaking... day. But, today, they really seem to have stepped it up.


Republican convention: It's the end of the world and it is ALL Obama's fault!!!

Democratic convention: We can fix this if we work together.

Fark right wing derp brigade: But it's THE END OF THE WORLD!!!!
 
2012-09-05 03:07:11 PM  
When Castro said that line in his speech last night, I was surprised. I thought to myself "Huh. How did I miss that? If Romney said that, I'm sure I would have not only heard about it, but would have also been in a Fark thread about it." Then I listened to the rest of the speech and went to bed.

This morning, I tune into this Fark headline. My first thought "Huh. I guess I didn't miss it. Castro made it up and Newsbusters caught him."

Then I read the Newsbusters article and realized, nope, not made up at all. Not a lie, not taken out of context. I guess I did just miss this the first time around.
 
2012-09-05 03:12:45 PM  

mediablitz: Key Note? Like it's two words?

Subby is THAT stupid? Well, he bought this bullshiat article, so I'm being redundant...


well, subtard is a republican - they tend to want to go back to the gilded age of the 1890s, when amongst other things, words like keynote and gentlemen were spelled either as two words or hyphenated, as in: "gentle-men, may i present the key-note speaker for this year's annual acetate collar and spats convention, thaddeus mcdouchenozzle, esq.!"
 
2012-09-05 03:12:50 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: When Castro said that line in his speech last night, I was surprised. I thought to myself "Huh. How did I miss that? If Romney said that, I'm sure I would have not only heard about it, but would have also been in a Fark thread about it." Then I listened to the rest of the speech and went to bed.

This morning, I tune into this Fark headline. My first thought "Huh. I guess I didn't miss it. Castro made it up and Newsbusters caught him."

Then I read the Newsbusters article and realized, nope, not made up at all. Not a lie, not taken out of context. I guess I did just miss this the first time around.


your life is a veritable roller-coaster of emotion. you should take a nap
 
2012-09-05 03:13:49 PM  

Three Crooked Squirrels: Then I read the Newsbusters article and realized, nope, not made up at all. Not a lie, not taken out of context. I guess I did just miss this the first time around.


All I have to say is "thanks Newsbusters."
 
2012-09-05 03:14:18 PM  

Vodka Zombie: What is with all the Republican whining today?


Fact: both sides are equally bad*.

Fact: Last week, the GOP told some really blatant lies.

Ergo, there must be some equally blatant lies that the Dems told last night. If you can't find them, then it must be because the liberal media is suppressing them.

*according to Republicans and people that don't actually pay attention to politics
 
2012-09-05 03:16:19 PM  

thomps: your life is a veritable roller-coaster of emotion. you should take a nap


I think I will. Thanks for the suggestion.
 
2012-09-05 03:22:43 PM  

mediablitz: Key Note? Like it's two words?

Subby is THAT stupid? Well, he bought this bullshiat article, so I'm being redundant...


The stupidity around this place really bottles the mind.
 
2012-09-05 03:30:33 PM  
Geez...next the GOP will be quoting Obama quoting McCain and attributing it to Obama.

Oh, wait...
 
2012-09-05 03:50:00 PM  
Castro claimed that Romney said "...start a business,"and "...borrow money if you have to from your parents,"

What Romney actually said was "...borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business."

It's totally the opposite of Castro's claim! Why can't the libs stop lying about Romney?
 
2012-09-05 03:50:54 PM  
Castro: "'Borrow money if you have to from your parents,' he told them."
Romney: "Take a risk, get the education, borrow money if you have to from your parents. Start a business."

What's the problem again?
 
2012-09-05 03:52:06 PM  
Yeah, for the Republicans to biatch about taking things out of context, they first have to take out adds every hour of the day apologizing for the "you didn't build that" propaganda.

No, neither side should do it. It sucks when either side does it. But seriously, Republicans? Seriously? You should just keep your heads down and mouths shut about taking things out of context if you have any shame at all.

/I know, you don't.
 
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