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(Austin Statesman)   Netflix continues to get beaten up while down, this time courtesy of Amazon Prime, The Hunger Games and The Avengers   (statesman.com) divider line 53
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2012-09-05 01:13:27 PM  
Does amazon prime really have that much more selection? I cant justify paying their yearly fee for the service then having to pay to rent the content as well.. why not pay a flat fee and get all the content you want?
 
2012-09-05 01:21:07 PM  
I bout a Nexus 7 the other day and, while I'm really enjoying it, I'm disappointed with the selection of television shows on Google Play and Netflix. I wanted to watch the new Doctor Who episodes, which are available as they air on Amazon Instant Video. There is no AIV app for Android. It saddens me.

(You'd think Amazon would want to have AIV accessible from as many places as possible, since it makes them money to have people watch the videos and they make little to no money on the Kindle hardware itself...)
 
2012-09-05 01:22:04 PM  

xsive: Does amazon prime really have that much more selection? I cant justify paying their yearly fee for the service then having to pay to rent the content as well.. why not pay a flat fee and get all the content you want?


Or, the reverse: No annual fee, just pay for the movies you want to watch, and how often you want to watch them ($2.99 for once, $9.99 for unlimited should be fine...)
 
2012-09-05 01:26:55 PM  
I have both, still use Netflix more often.
 
2012-09-05 01:30:30 PM  

xsive: Does amazon prime really have that much more selection? I cant justify paying their yearly fee for the service then having to pay to rent the content as well.. why not pay a flat fee and get all the content you want?


I currently have both amazon prime and netflix(streaming only). Amazon really needs to work on a better interface for streaming video - searching for "free" videos can be painfully tedious. From what I can see, I don't think there is a bigger selection on amazon, but the real question is how much you watch and what content you want to see.

If you add in the pay-per-movie aspect on Amazon, they definitely have a better streaming selection, but you pay for it.
 
2012-09-05 01:30:35 PM  

xsive: Does amazon prime really have that much more selection? I cant justify paying their yearly fee for the service then having to pay to rent the content as well.. why not pay a flat fee and get all the content you want?


Amazon has two different online movie services that are combined under the Instant video banner. Prime Instant Videos are free to stream if you pay $80 a year for a Prime account. The selection is similar to what Netflix offers, but it still doesn't have quite the selection of content, although this is changing with the Epix deal. There's still a few things like Mad Men, Breaking Bad, and The Walking Dead that are still Netflix only right now for subscription streaming. (Amazon does have the advantage of not having the Amy Pond intros in Season 6 of Doctor Who, however). Also, with Prime you get free 2 day shipping and one free Kindle book loan per month from their library (but only on actual Kindle devices, and the selection in the library isn't great, although they do have Harry Potter, The Hunger Games, Moneyball, and a few other good selections). For me Prime is worth it just for the free shipping, and the videos are just the cherry on top.

At the same time, Amazon has ANOTHER streaming/download service that allows you to rent movies or TV shows that aren't available on streaming, or purchase them to keep. The rental prices are in line with most other online stores, although they do run deals pretty often on recent movies so you can get not-quite-new releases for $1 in SD or $2 for HD.

All of the Instant Video stuff is available to stream on iPads, PS3s, Xboxes, and Rokus, so it is a pretty flexible service when it comes to online video.
 
2012-09-05 01:31:02 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I bout a Nexus 7 the other day and, while I'm really enjoying it, I'm disappointed with the selection of television shows on Google Play and Netflix. I wanted to watch the new Doctor Who episodes, which are available as they air on Amazon Instant Video. There is no AIV app for Android. It saddens me.

(You'd think Amazon would want to have AIV accessible from as many places as possible, since it makes them money to have people watch the videos and they make little to no money on the Kindle hardware itself...)


Not sure how much you buy from amazon but getting amazon prime has been one of the best purchases I make on a yearly basis...
and really if you break up the yearly fee into a monthly rate it is only about 6.70, which is less than netflix and you get free 2 day shipping on a buttload of items
 
2012-09-05 01:34:38 PM  

Lord Dimwit: (You'd think Amazon would want to have AIV accessible from as many places as possible, since it makes them money to have people watch the videos and they make little to no money on the Kindle hardware itself...)


They seem to be rolling it out to a lot of devices, with the iPad just recently getting it not long after the big game consoles. I'd think that an Android app has to be in the works, but there might be issues with getting the DRM to work across all devices, which is why things like Hulu and HBO Go had a bit of a staggered rollout. I'm sure they are probably working on it as we speak.
 
2012-09-05 01:36:23 PM  

Torgo_of_Manos: Not sure how much you buy from amazon but getting amazon prime has been one of the best purchases I make on a yearly basis...
and really if you break up the yearly fee into a monthly rate it is only about 6.70, which is less than netflix and you get free 2 day shipping on a buttload of items


I bought a lot of weird little items from some upcoming events at work, and shipped over $3k worth of stuff all over the country to my co-workers. Amazon probably hates me now, because they lost a ton of money on me this year with Prime.
 
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2012-09-05 01:42:27 PM  
I mostly use Netflix for TV Shows, which they still have a pretty decent lead over Amazon.

Stuff like the Avengers and Hunger Games don't really sway me over to Amazon's side, simply because I'm going to buy these DVDs for my own personal collection.

Whoever can win the rights to "The Simpsons" will end up winning this fight.
 
2012-09-05 01:43:09 PM  
The last company I hated as much as I hate Netflix was Blockbuster. That hatred aside, though, Amazon Prime is just a vastly superior service, and that's not even counting the free shipping perk. It's almost pointless to compare the two. Prime is worth waaaaay more than $79 a year, but don't tell Amazon I said that.
 
2012-09-05 01:44:35 PM  

Lord Dimwit: I bout a Nexus 7 the other day


I didn't think Nexus 6 was even going to come out for another 5 years or so. Nexus 7's must be badass!

So did you get a basic pleasure model?
 
2012-09-05 01:51:05 PM  

xsive: Does amazon prime really have that much more selection? I cant justify paying their yearly fee for the service then having to pay to rent the content as well.. why not pay a flat fee and get all the content you want?


I use my PS3 to stream videos, and find the Netflix app much better than Amazon's for navigating through their video selection.

What is absolutely a deal-breaker for me is Amazon's lack of captions. I like to watch TV late at night, and the walls are thin. So I use Netflix. I won't be renewing Amazon Prime.
 
2012-09-05 01:55:57 PM  

Pocket Ninja: The last company I hated as much as I hate Netflix was Blockbuster. That hatred aside, though, Amazon Prime is just a vastly superior service, and that's not even counting the free shipping perk. It's almost pointless to compare the two. Prime is worth waaaaay more than $79 a year, but don't tell Amazon I said that.


Exactly. I have EASILY gotten my money's worth out of my Prime account. Their selection of both paid and free streaming content has improved drastically in the last couple of months. The free two=day shipping is a huge bonus too.

Amazon is the shiat.
 
2012-09-05 01:57:40 PM  

Fonaibung: I use my PS3 to stream videos, and find the Netflix app much better than Amazon's for navigating through their video selection.


Yeah, I get Netflix on my DVD player.  The "app" is probably an API developed by Netflix, because I love it too, and I'm sure I'm seeing the same thing as you.  It has to be- because every other "app" on my DVD player sucks.
 
2012-09-05 01:59:34 PM  

Happy Hours: Lord Dimwit: I bout a Nexus 7 the other day

I didn't think Nexus 6 was even going to come out for another 5 years or so. Nexus 7's must be badass!

So did you get a basic pleasure model?


If only you could see what I've seen with the Nexus 7's screen...

I love that movie dearly. I showed it to my wife (who had never seen it nor heard of it) shortly after she and I met. Something like ten minutes into the movie she says "so, Deckard's a replicant, right?"

*sigh*
 
2012-09-05 02:09:22 PM  

eKonk: xsive: Does amazon prime really have that much more selection? I cant justify paying their yearly fee for the service then having to pay to rent the content as well.. why not pay a flat fee and get all the content you want?

I currently have both amazon prime and netflix(streaming only). Amazon really needs to work on a better interface for streaming video - searching for "free" videos can be painfully tedious. From what I can see, I don't think there is a bigger selection on amazon, but the real question is how much you watch and what content you want to see.


This is the only reason I keep thinking about reupping with Netflix. With Netflix I could add something to my queue and start watching it instantly. With Amazon it is crazy hard to find the stuff I get for free with my Prime sub. When I do find something to watch I have to wait an hour for it to download to my Tivo.
 
2012-09-05 02:15:34 PM  
There's pluses to both services. Netflix has generally better interfaces to search for content and apps for more devices while Amazon provides better audio streams (you can get Dolby Digital via more devices for Amazon than you can from Netflix). If you factor in the shipping benefits of Amazon Prime it also provides much better value.

As far as content goes, I'm seeing more stuff I want to watch with Amazon than I am with Netflix. I could almost ditch Netflix and never miss it with the way things currently stand.
 
2012-09-05 02:16:55 PM  
Canceled the netflix account months ago because we just weren't watching enough movies. Ended up paying for Amazon Prime service to get cheaper/faster shipping on a few bulky items. I've been surprised how much it's saved me since then, and the fact that AP has an app for the PS3 makes streaming easily accessible for my movie rig.
 
2012-09-05 02:33:52 PM  
Add me to the list of people who have Amazon Prime for the shipping. The (very limited) selection of free videos is a bonus. And sometimes I'm willing to pay a dollar or two to rent a video from them instead of pirating it.
 
2012-09-05 02:41:41 PM  
We have both, but use Netflix far more for streaming. Our Samsung has a Netflix app, but nothing for Amazon Prime. To watch Downton Abbey (S2) we've been plugging in the laptop to the tv, but that is extra effort, and one less laptop to use.
 
2012-09-05 02:43:43 PM  
Thanks for reminding me to turn off renewal for my Prime membership. I hate finally finding something worth watching on there only to see it's not free for Prime. As a free service if you ship a lot of stuff and need it, like, right now, it's fine. Not worth the $6/month or whatever it works out to be otherwise.
 
2012-09-05 02:47:49 PM  

badLogic: When I do find something to watch I have to wait an hour for it to download to my Tivo.


Um... what? Do you have a 14.4kpbs modem, or is Tivo's interface for Amazon exceptionally poor?

I've never had to do anything but hit a "Play" button and it starts immediately.
 
2012-09-05 02:51:26 PM  

akula: There's pluses to both services. Netflix has generally better interfaces to search for content and apps for more devices while Amazon provides better audio streams (you can get Dolby Digital via more devices for Amazon than you can from Netflix). If you factor in the shipping benefits of Amazon Prime it also provides much better value.

As far as content goes, I'm seeing more stuff I want to watch with Amazon than I am with Netflix. I could almost ditch Netflix and never miss it with the way things currently stand.


Netflix pissed me off the other night when I started Captain America and they didn't have 5.1 audio, only stereo. The last Battlestar episode came out years ago and most of it is in surround sound. That kind of thing is ridiculous and should not happen.
 
2012-09-05 02:54:18 PM  

MBK: I mostly use Netflix for TV Shows, which they still have a pretty decent lead over Amazon.

Stuff like the Avengers and Hunger Games don't really sway me over to Amazon's side, simply because I'm going to buy these DVDs for my own personal collection.

Whoever can win the rights to "The Simpsons" will end up winning this fight.


Let's be honest; whoever is willing to go with porn first wins.

I am dead serious.

/VHS over Beta
//Blu-Ray over HDDVD
 
2012-09-05 02:55:19 PM  

MrEricSir: badLogic: When I do find something to watch I have to wait an hour for it to download to my Tivo.

Um... what? Do you have a 14.4kpbs modem, or is Tivo's interface for Amazon exceptionally poor?

I've never had to do anything but hit a "Play" button and it starts immediately.


Tivo doesn't even have a Amazon Prime movie component. You can only buy and transfer to tivo you can't stream free movies to the Tivo. It's slow but it's not that bad unless the tivo is over wireless then that's not Tivo or Amazon's fault.
 
2012-09-05 03:00:18 PM  

bacongood: MBK: I mostly use Netflix for TV Shows, which they still have a pretty decent lead over Amazon.

Stuff like the Avengers and Hunger Games don't really sway me over to Amazon's side, simply because I'm going to buy these DVDs for my own personal collection.

Whoever can win the rights to "The Simpsons" will end up winning this fight.

Let's be honest; whoever is willing to go with porn first wins.

I am dead serious.

/VHS over Beta
//Blu-Ray over HDDVD



It'll never happen.  They're selling content and technology.  Those who created and had a vested interest in VHS and Beta succeeding did not produce any content, including porn.
 
While it would be successful, no way Amazon or Netflix are sullying their hands in that. 
 
2012-09-05 03:01:39 PM  

xsive: Does amazon prime really have that much more selection? I cant justify paying their yearly fee for the service then having to pay to rent the content as well.. why not pay a flat fee and get all the content you want?


If you buy a lot of stuff from Amazon, Prime is worth it for the savings in shipping. The streaming video is just a bonus. Their selection sucks, though.
 
2012-09-05 03:03:27 PM  

badLogic: This is the only reason I keep thinking about reupping with Netflix. With Netflix I could add something to my queue and start watching it instantly. With Amazon it is crazy hard to find the stuff I get for free with my Prime sub. When I do find something to watch I have to wait an hour for it to download to my Tivo.


The Amazon integration with Tivo sucks balls. I blame Tivo for general crappiness, because the Amazon apps work great on other platforms like the PS3 and Xbox. Even on a new Premiere model Tivo, they still haven't fixed the aspect ratio of movie rentals being all screwed up so you have to do all sorts of weird zooms on your TV to get it to look right on a 16:9 set. Do yourself a favor and spend $50 or so on a Roku. It's way better than dealing with Tivo's crap Amazon integration.
 
2012-09-05 03:12:22 PM  

xsive: Does amazon prime really have that much more selection? I cant justify paying their yearly fee for the service then having to pay to rent the content as well.. why not pay a flat fee and get all the content you want?


Not really, at the moment. Their free-with-Prime content is pretty limited. However, it is getting better by the month, and the newest acquisitions are huge. If you are only getting Prime for the movies, it's debatable that it's worth the $6.67 per month; however, if you also buy a lot of physical merchandise from Amazon, the no-cost 2-day shipping quickly becomes worth the Prime membership, and the videos are a very nice added bonus.
 
2012-09-05 03:13:16 PM  

downstairs: bacongood: MBK: I mostly use Netflix for TV Shows, which they still have a pretty decent lead over Amazon.

Stuff like the Avengers and Hunger Games don't really sway me over to Amazon's side, simply because I'm going to buy these DVDs for my own personal collection.

Whoever can win the rights to "The Simpsons" will end up winning this fight.

Let's be honest; whoever is willing to go with porn first wins.

I am dead serious.

/VHS over Beta
//Blu-Ray over HDDVD


It'll never happen.  They're selling content and technology.  Those who created and had a vested interest in VHS and Beta succeeding did not produce any content, including porn.
 
While it would be successful, no way Amazon or Netflix are sullying their hands in that.


You can already get Skinemax late night semi-pr0n on Netflix, and Netflix also has a "Kids" version of it's service. I'd say it's only a matter of time before we see a "Late night" version. Five star hotels can do it, I don't see why content providers wouldn't.
 
2012-09-05 03:23:44 PM  

Tobin_Lam: Netflix pissed me off the other night when I started Captain America and they didn't have 5.1 audio, only stereo. The last Battlestar episode came out years ago and most of it is in surround sound. That kind of thing is ridiculous and should not happen.


IIRC, the only way to get Dolby Digital out of Netflix is with a PS3 or by using a Roku 2 box with a receiver that supports DD+ (not normal DD). I'm not sure if Blu-Ray players will also mix the audio stream to a DD format (need to try with mine, but I haven't noticed).

That's a pretty convoluted set of requirements just to get the same audio format we've been using for years on DVDs. Lossless audio formats are pretty much right out for streamed media (it's one reason why I still like Blu-Rays), but I'd like to see one of these services finally decide it's time to cater to more than the lowest common denominator and offer high quality audio.
 
2012-09-05 03:46:11 PM  

downstairs: bacongood: MBK: I mostly use Netflix for TV Shows, which they still have a pretty decent lead over Amazon.

Stuff like the Avengers and Hunger Games don't really sway me over to Amazon's side, simply because I'm going to buy these DVDs for my own personal collection.

Whoever can win the rights to "The Simpsons" will end up winning this fight.

Let's be honest; whoever is willing to go with porn first wins.

I am dead serious.

/VHS over Beta
//Blu-Ray over HDDVD


It'll never happen.  They're selling content and technology.  Those who created and had a vested interest in VHS and Beta succeeding did not produce any content, including porn.
 
While it would be successful, no way Amazon or Netflix are sullying their hands in that. 


What content are Amazon and Netflix producing?

It will be a slow race there, but someone will go there.
 
2012-09-05 03:47:42 PM  

bacongood: downstairs: bacongood: MBK: I mostly use Netflix for TV Shows, which they still have a pretty decent lead over Amazon.

Stuff like the Avengers and Hunger Games don't really sway me over to Amazon's side, simply because I'm going to buy these DVDs for my own personal collection.

Whoever can win the rights to "The Simpsons" will end up winning this fight.

Let's be honest; whoever is willing to go with porn first wins.

I am dead serious.

/VHS over Beta
//Blu-Ray over HDDVD


It'll never happen.  They're selling content and technology.  Those who created and had a vested interest in VHS and Beta succeeding did not produce any content, including porn.
 
While it would be successful, no way Amazon or Netflix are sullying their hands in that. 

What content are Amazon and Netflix producing?

It will be a slow race there, but someone will go there.



Sorry, I meant providing.  Not producing.  But their PR is on the line if they sell/rent/stream porn.  I'd be all into it... but you're going to have to do some amazing spin to get the rest of "protect the kids" America down with it.
 
2012-09-05 03:55:12 PM  

Tobin_Lam:

Netflix pissed me off the other night when I started Captain America and they didn't have 5.1 audio, only stereo. The last Battlestar episode came out years ago and most of it is in surround sound. That kind of thing is ridiculous and should not happen.


thumbpress.com
 
2012-09-05 04:09:01 PM  

Mad_Radhu: badLogic: This is the only reason I keep thinking about reupping with Netflix. With Netflix I could add something to my queue and start watching it instantly. With Amazon it is crazy hard to find the stuff I get for free with my Prime sub. When I do find something to watch I have to wait an hour for it to download to my Tivo.

The Amazon integration with Tivo sucks balls. I blame Tivo for general crappiness, because the Amazon apps work great on other platforms like the PS3 and Xbox. Even on a new Premiere model Tivo, they still haven't fixed the aspect ratio of movie rentals being all screwed up so you have to do all sorts of weird zooms on your TV to get it to look right on a 16:9 set. Do yourself a favor and spend $50 or so on a Roku. It's way better than dealing with Tivo's crap Amazon integration.


Thanks. I'll look into that.
For the other reply, hey my Tivo is over wireless. Getting cat5 to where it is would be a pita nightmare of going either down in the crawlspace or up in the attic. Neither of which are something I want to spend a saturday doing.
 
2012-09-05 04:12:06 PM  
Netflix is a bunch of disingenuous bastards. They had a FIVE year contract with ePix. Let it lapse because they didn't want to sign a THREE year contract. They should have signed a 10 year contract originally then signed another 10 year contract. If they're too stupid to realize that locking up content early and long was in their best interest, then fark them.

Plus Netflix said they weren't going to have original programming. They used to have it And they do now.
 
2012-09-05 04:20:07 PM  

badLogic:
Thanks. I'll look into that.
For the other reply, hey my Tivo is over wireless. Getting cat5 to where it is would be a pita nightmare of going either down in the crawlspace or up in the attic. Neither of which are something I want to spend a saturday doing.


So you are saying you get Amazon Prime free movies to your Tivo? How? Unless there was a stealth update lately I've been trying for a year now.
 
2012-09-05 04:24:38 PM  

TNel: badLogic:
Thanks. I'll look into that.
For the other reply, hey my Tivo is over wireless. Getting cat5 to where it is would be a pita nightmare of going either down in the crawlspace or up in the attic. Neither of which are something I want to spend a saturday doing.

So you are saying you get Amazon Prime free movies to your Tivo? How? Unless there was a stealth update lately I've been trying for a year now.


According to the Prime site on amazon it is supposed to be possible to get Free Prime to Tivo. I've tried getting Free Prime to my Tivo, but never succeeded.
The one hour download before watching was from the the one time I have rented a movie via Amazon to watch on my Tivo.
 
2012-09-05 05:17:20 PM  
What's stopping me from adding Amazon Prime to make a trifecta of streaming sources?

Netflix/Amazon/Hulu? 80 a year equates to, roughly, 7 bucks a month.

Somehow, I don't think I'll care overmuch. The 'exclusivity' argument is not going to force me to drop my subscription, but to just get another.
 
2012-09-05 05:18:22 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: I have both, still use Netflix more often.


better run a virus scan, I think I got a trojan virus from that site
 
2012-09-05 05:28:01 PM  
I know it's not quite the same, but a friend recently shared her HBO GO account with me, and I love it.
 
2012-09-05 05:29:14 PM  

BeerBear: HotWingConspiracy: I have both, still use Netflix more often.

better run a virus scan, I think I got a trojan virus from that site


That is what you get for streaming Spartacus and replying the bath scene over and over.

/NTTIAWTT
 
2012-09-05 05:33:06 PM  

badLogic: BeerBear: HotWingConspiracy: I have both, still use Netflix more often.

better run a virus scan, I think I got a trojan virus from that site

That is what you get for streaming Spartacus and replying the bath scene over and over.

/NTTIAWTT


never seen that movie and I rent the dvd's, don't have a good speed here in the boonies to use the streaming
 
2012-09-05 05:40:49 PM  

MBK: Whoever can win the rights to "The Simpsons" will end up winning this fight.


That has to be a troll, maybe 10 years ago but now most people skip the simpsons and watch south park since its consistently funny, unlike simpsons.

And why would I pay more for amazon prime? I dont ship stuff from there and there is a vastly inferior selection on prime.

I love how everyone is upset at netflix for this shiat when in reality its the content providers who are charging a shiat ton of cash for their shows forcing them to raise rates.
 
2012-09-05 06:42:29 PM  
I got Prime for the chuckles last year to try it out. I don't really use the video portion since my Tivo only works with rentals and there's no Android version of AIV. But a few months later I got a 100+ lb generator shipped to me overnight for $4 and it arrived about 12 hours before my power went out for 4 days. That made it completely worth it.
 
2012-09-05 06:44:37 PM  
In the end, there will be a dozens of streaming services.

Somebody will have the idea to bundle these streaming services into one subscription, probably marketing "one bill" and "search and stream from all services at once". The business will rely on a centralized advertising system initially to keep costs down, but agreement between streaming providers will make it so they have to charge a minimal fee. The fee will gradually increase as content providers hold the distributor/packager hostage. This business model will be copied with content about equivalent between them because of it's end-user simplicity and popularity.

At that point, we'll have the streaming equivalent of cable TV but with services instead of channels.
Like cable, we will all be on here complaining about how much it costs and how much their customer service sucks.

We will probably secretly long for the day when shows were selected for us on a channel, since finding something to watch just for background noise would require us to search and pick something. It's another decision, and we'll be tired of making them all day long in our world saturated with never ending choice. So, somebody will come up with PandoraTV, which will randomly play TV episodes or movies.

In the end, we'll have cable television as it is today, but with channels created via preferences like Pandora.

/I further predict one of them will merge with the even more failing Facebook.
//It may or may not be TimeWarner.
 
2012-09-05 07:43:12 PM  
Amazon Prime's UI sucks. Until they fix that, Netflix is still getting more of my use.
 
2012-09-05 09:42:26 PM  

xsive: Does amazon prime really have that much more selection? I cant justify paying their yearly fee for the service then having to pay to rent the content as well.. why not pay a flat fee and get all the content you want?


I see it as a bonus. I have amazon prime so I can get free 2 day shipping on whatever. Now that amazon has a decent used book selection w/prime shipping I don't think I could do without it (it also helps if you get amazon prime "student" as the fee is 1/2 as much per year).
 
2012-09-06 02:15:14 AM  

Lord Dimwit: I bout a Nexus 7 the other day and, while I'm really enjoying it, I'm disappointed with the selection of television shows on Google Play and Netflix. I wanted to watch the new Doctor Who episodes, which are available as they air on Amazon Instant Video. There is no AIV app for Android. It saddens me.


It took me a bit of hacking to find a combo that works. Amazon Instant Video works on my Android HP Touchpad with Firefox. Flash doesn't want to work in Chrome.
 
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