If you can read this, either the style sheet didn't load or you have an older browser that doesn't support style sheets. Try clearing your browser cache and refreshing the page.

(NPR)   So it's the day after the first day of the Democratic National Convention. What does that mean? UNLEASH THE FACT CHECKERS   (npr.org) divider line 447
    More: Hero, Democratic National Convention, National Convention, fact checking, FactCheck, President Roosevelt, high taxes, RNC, political convention  
•       •       •

24692 clicks; posted to Main » on 05 Sep 2012 at 11:21 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



447 Comments   (+0 »)
   

Archived thread

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | » | Last | Show all
 
2012-09-05 09:04:10 AM
SEBELIUS: "So instead of the Medicare guarantee, Republicans would give seniors a voucher that limits what's covered."

THE FACTS: She left out crucial details in describing the Romney-Ryan Medicare plan. It would not apply to the nearly 50 million current Medicare recipients but to future retirees who would join the program starting in 2023


We all know the GOP are trying to give older voters a cynical choice to not screw them and only screw their kids and grandkids so while it is that detail may have been left out it hardly makes Sebelius a liar here.

I didn't catch the 50% instead of 80% thing but I'll check the transcript when available there.

SENATE MAJORITY LEADER HARRY REID: "We can only imagine what new secrets would be revealed if he showed the American people a dozen years of tax returns like his father did.... Mitt Romney says we should take his word that he paid his fair share. His word? His word? Trust comes from transparency, and Mitt Romney comes up short on both."

THE FACTS: Reid has challenged Romney on his tax returns before, but this time Reid omitted an earlier charge that over the past decade, there were some years when Romney paid no taxes - an uncorroborated claim that Romney insists is false.

Romney has released just one tax return, from 2010 and says he'll release his 2011 return once it's finished. He has steadfastly declined to make more than two years available.


So you are getting mad at Reid for not reiterating the "didn't pay any taxes" thing here?

Really?

Really really?

Weak sauce is weak NPR.

Romney is applying for the job of CiC and he's refusing to provide the voters the information necessary to make that determination. Until and unless he does and is somehow exonerated Reid's accusations remain valid. 

Basically, this article is just another example of the media bending over backwards to show how "fair" they are.
 
2012-09-05 09:07:58 AM
Sorry Republicans, there will be nothing at the DNC that cancels out "Obammy gutted welfare reform".
 
2012-09-05 09:14:54 AM
Crap, that post is for the other fact checker AP article thread not this one.

Stupid multiple windows!

*shakes tiny fists at heavens*

/All due apologies.
 
2012-09-05 09:33:40 AM
so far, the democrats are just doing the 'normal' stuff: a couple/few weasel words, some shading of the facts here and there. Nothing anywhere near to the levels of sheer fantasy we saw from the GOP convention.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-05 09:40:21 AM

quatchi: Crap, that post is for the other fact checker AP article thread not this one.

Stupid multiple windows!

*shakes tiny fists at heavens*



Why are there two greenlights for the same story, almost back to back?
 
2012-09-05 09:46:32 AM
- "The keynote speaker, San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, also said there have been 4.5 million 'new jobs' under Obama. The fact is the economy has regained only 4 million of the 4.3 million jobs lost since Obama took office."

Doesn't that make the statement 88% true. Not to shabby. Considering these are estimates the statement could very well by 100% true.
 
2012-09-05 09:47:29 AM
The keynote speaker, San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, also said there have been 4.5 million 'new jobs' under Obama. The fact is the economy has regained only 4 million of the 4.3 million jobs lost since Obama took office."

holy crap thats pants-on-fire stuff there.
 
2012-09-05 09:53:25 AM
NPR says that it is false that Romney would raise taxes on the middle-class. Sure would be nice to see Romney's tax plan to verify this.
 
2012-09-05 11:08:34 AM
so... three "fact-check" threads on last night's DNC? that's some assiduous fact-checking, freepmins!
 
2012-09-05 11:25:35 AM
Wow, what sort of whoppers were told?

- "The keynote speaker and others claimed the Republican presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, would raise taxes on the 'middle class.'

So the claim is Mitt Romney might raise taxes on the middle class. What evidence is there supporting it.

Democrats base their claim on a study.

Oh okay, on a study that said according to Mitt Romney's very non-specific plan to reduce the budget while also giving tax cuts to the wealthy, and do it by closing loopholes, the only way to do it is to also close loopholes that give tax breaks to middle class families. That seems to be a pretty decent argument. What is the counter to it to show it to be clearly a lie?

He has promised he won't.

Oh. Okay then.
 
2012-09-05 11:26:01 AM

quatchi: Basically, this article is just another example of the media bending over backwards to show how "fair" they are.


No matter how hard NPR tries to spin the false equivalency they will always be part of the liberal media conspiracy, not even sure why these news outlets even try to appease right wing derpers, especially NPR.
 
2012-09-05 11:26:37 AM
lh4.googleusercontent.com
 
2012-09-05 11:26:45 AM
Did my ironic use of the "smart" & "funny" buttons make them go away?
 
2012-09-05 11:27:15 AM

neversubmit: Did my ironic use of the "smart" & "funny" buttons make them go away?


...I just noticed that.
 
2012-09-05 11:27:25 AM
Democrats say their penis is 7 inches long when it's actually 6.

Republicans say their penis is 33 inches long when it's actually 2.

So vote Republican.
 
2012-09-05 11:27:30 AM
All this fact checking does is really hammer on the point that Democrats are held to different standards than Republicans. Or rather, people expect Republicans to make ridiculous claims and often give them a pass. Also, supposedly neutral news agencies are afraid of appearing too soft on Democrats, and give them a rougher ride over it.
 
2012-09-05 11:27:35 AM
The BIG lie is that 0bama has a clue about how to improve the economy.

Fewer people are working today than when he took office.

No plan in sight - except something about Romney needs to show us his tax returns because then 0bama will know how to create jobs, or something like that.
 
2012-09-05 11:27:36 AM
Just remember kids, 14 of the top 20 bullshiatters are GOPers.

Link
 
2012-09-05 11:28:34 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Fewer people are working today than when he took office.


Actually, that's a lie. Net gain of 300,000 jobs since Jan 20, 2009.
 
2012-09-05 11:28:52 AM

Weaver95: so far, the democrats are just doing the 'normal' stuff: a couple/few weasel words, some shading of the facts here and there. Nothing anywhere near to the levels of sheer fantasy we saw from the GOP convention.


Given the current political climate, you'd think they'd stick purely to the facts and use that to a create an environment where the most mendacious lose. If you start going on a campaign of "If Romney can't be honest about x, how can you trust him with a presidency?", it'd probably work pretty damn well.

I'm disappointed, myself.
 
2012-09-05 11:29:16 AM

Jackson Herring: Sorry Republicans, there will be nothing at the DNC that cancels out "Obammy gutted welfare reform".


Except, of course, that he did. But, hey, don't let actual facts get in the way of your partisan spin.
 
2012-09-05 11:29:35 AM
The most honest person at the convention was Michelle.

She nailed it last night.
 
2012-09-05 11:29:44 AM

Headso: quatchi: Basically, this article is just another example of the media bending over backwards to show how "fair" they are.

No matter how hard NPR tries to spin the false equivalency they will always be part of the liberal media conspiracy, not even sure why these news outlets even try to appease right wing derpers, especially NPR.


Yeah that's what I don't get. These media outlets seem to be straining to be declared unbiased by the derptards on the right. How can they possibly not get it, if their article is favorable to conservatives, it will be labeled truthful and unbiased, if it is unfavorable, it will always be labeled as biased liberal media. It doesn't matter if NPR runs 1000 pro-conservative stories in a row, if #1001 is liberal leaning NPR will be labeled the libbiest government conspiracy rag to have ever existed and we should defund it immediately.
 
2012-09-05 11:30:25 AM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Fewer people are working today than when he took office.

Actually, that's a lie. Net gain of 300,000 jobs since Jan 20, 2009.


And do we have any figures on what percentage of people who were out of work and got hired into a new job took a pay cut to get a new job vs. those that stayed the same or got a raise?

And how many people are out of work but have exhausted their unemployment and are no longer eligible to file, thus no longer counted as part of the unemployment rate?
 
2012-09-05 11:30:31 AM
"Obama didn't clean up the massive steaming pile of shiat that Bush left him fast enough" is sure to make people want to elect the guy who wants to do the same stuff Bush did X10.
 
2012-09-05 11:30:38 AM

meanmutton: Jackson Herring: Sorry Republicans, there will be nothing at the DNC that cancels out "Obammy gutted welfare reform".

Except, of course, that he did. But, hey, don't let actual facts get in the way of your partisan spin.


Explain, in detail, how he did that. He did not. Politifact says you're pants-on-fire-on-head retarded.

Link
 
2012-09-05 11:30:47 AM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Fewer people are working today than when he took office.

Actually, that's a lie. Net gain of 300,000 jobs since Jan 20, 2009.


When you include private and public sectors, it's a net loss. The 300k net gain number is purely from the private sector.

Obama would be gold on this particular point, if he wasn't for... ready for this? .... smaller government.
 
2012-09-05 11:30:54 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: The BIG lie is that 0bama has a clue about how to improve the economy.

Fewer people are working today than when he took office.

No plan in sight - except something about Romney needs to show us his tax returns because then 0bama will know how to create jobs, or something like that.


Thanks for that. You said that before.
 
2012-09-05 11:31:18 AM

mrshowrules: - "The keynote speaker, San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, also said there have been 4.5 million 'new jobs' under Obama. The fact is the economy has regained only 4 million of the 4.3 million jobs lost since Obama took office."

Doesn't that make the statement 88% true. Not to shabby. Considering these are estimates the statement could very well by 100% true.


wut?
4.3 million jobs lost. 4M "new jobs" created - conclusion from the 0bamanuts: oh look, 0bama is doing a good job since we are only down by 300k jobs since he took office.
 
2012-09-05 11:31:58 AM

cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Fewer people are working today than when he took office.

Actually, that's a lie. Net gain of 300,000 jobs since Jan 20, 2009.


That's private sector only. The small-government folks are including public sector job losses because shrinking the size of government is bad when it happens under a democrat.
 
2012-09-05 11:32:36 AM

starsrift: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Fewer people are working today than when he took office.

Actually, that's a lie. Net gain of 300,000 jobs since Jan 20, 2009.

When you include private and public sectors, it's a net loss. The 300k net gain number is purely from the private sector.

Obama would be gold on this particular point, if he wasn't for... ready for this? .... smaller government.


No, it's actually about 3 million private sector jobs. It you add in public sector, 300,000 becomes the net.
 
2012-09-05 11:33:02 AM
DEMOCRATS. Bring back Clinton or gtfo.
 
2012-09-05 11:33:15 AM

Kit Fister: And do we have any figures on what percentage of people who were out of work and got hired into a new job took a pay cut to get a new job vs. those that stayed the same or got a raise?


What? Is that a thing now? Because that has happened and will continue to happen regardless of who is in power. Too many welders in your community? Move or learn another skill.

Must be a stack of jobs bills on the President's desk that he is not signing......
 
2012-09-05 11:33:16 AM
My takeaways from the Democrat convention so far:

- No more "God" recognition for Democrats
- Government sanctioned and funded abortions for all that want them
- No more recognition of Jerusalem
- Pro gay marriage worship
- All citizens "belong" to the government

I'm done with watching them, or listening to them (except being bashed in upcoming Republican ads, or on Fox opinion shows).

For those of you that hang in there with the Democrats - you might want to go ahead and order your Qurans now, before prices go up (I believe you will be ordered to use them as part of your continued Democrat party affiliation).
 
2012-09-05 11:33:19 AM

lennavan: Wow, what sort of whoppers were told?

- "The keynote speaker and others claimed the Republican presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, would raise taxes on the 'middle class.'

So the claim is Mitt Romney might raise taxes on the middle class. What evidence is there supporting it.

Democrats base their claim on a study.

Oh okay, on a study that said according to Mitt Romney's very non-specific plan to reduce the budget while also giving tax cuts to the wealthy, and do it by closing loopholes, the only way to do it is to also close loopholes that give tax breaks to middle class families. That seems to be a pretty decent argument. What is the counter to it to show it to be clearly a lie?

He has promised he won't.

Oh. Okay then.


See, NPR doesn't realize that Democrats can do math.
 
2012-09-05 11:33:20 AM
Michelle's speech was flawless. Well done her.
 
2012-09-05 11:34:17 AM

lennavan: Wow, what sort of whoppers were told?

- "The keynote speaker and others claimed the Republican presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, would raise taxes on the 'middle class.'

So the claim is Mitt Romney might raise taxes on the middle class. What evidence is there supporting it.

Democrats base their claim on a study.

Oh okay, on a study that said according to Mitt Romney's very non-specific plan to reduce the budget while also giving tax cuts to the wealthy, and do it by closing loopholes, the only way to do it is to also close loopholes that give tax breaks to middle class families. That seems to be a pretty decent argument. What is the counter to it to show it to be clearly a lie?

He has promised he won't.

Oh. Okay then.


Not only that, but if you assume that he will keep THAT promise, then he necessarily has to break one of his other promises of keeping preferential tax rates for investment income, keeping the tax plan from exploding the deficit, or keeping popular deductions like the home mortgage interest deduction. No matter how you slice it, he's breaking a promise.
 
2012-09-05 11:34:18 AM

Neeek: lennavan: Wow, what sort of whoppers were told?

- "The keynote speaker and others claimed the Republican presidential nominee, Mitt Romney, would raise taxes on the 'middle class.'

So the claim is Mitt Romney might raise taxes on the middle class. What evidence is there supporting it.

Democrats base their claim on a study.

Oh okay, on a study that said according to Mitt Romney's very non-specific plan to reduce the budget while also giving tax cuts to the wealthy, and do it by closing loopholes, the only way to do it is to also close loopholes that give tax breaks to middle class families. That seems to be a pretty decent argument. What is the counter to it to show it to be clearly a lie?

He has promised he won't.

Oh. Okay then.

See, NPR doesn't realize that Democrats can do math.


Mitt Romney totally promised though. That seems legit.
 
2012-09-05 11:34:25 AM

Ronsen Lighter: My takeaways from the Democrat convention so far:

- No more "God" recognition for Democrats
- Government sanctioned and funded abortions for all that want them
- No more recognition of Jerusalem
- Pro gay marriage worship
- All citizens "belong" to the government

I'm done with watching them, or listening to them (except being bashed in upcoming Republican ads, or on Fox opinion shows).

For those of you that hang in there with the Democrats - you might want to go ahead and order your Qurans now, before prices go up (I believe you will be ordered to use them as part of your continued Democrat party affiliation).


Wow, you got that? You must have been huffing some serious drugs. Or just t(rick)rolling us.
 
2012-09-05 11:34:47 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: Democrats say their penis is 7 inches long when it's actually 6.

Republicans say their penis is 33 inches long when it's actually 2.

So vote Republican.


That about sizes it up.
 
2012-09-05 11:36:09 AM

Headso: quatchi: Basically, this article is just another example of the media bending over backwards to show how "fair" they are.

No matter how hard NPR tries to spin the false equivalency they will always be part of the liberal media conspiracy, not even sure why these news outlets even try to appease right wing derpers, especially NPR.


Anyone who reads my posts know I lean to the right. I find NPR to be pretty neutral on it's reporting, and not just during convention coverage.
For national news, it's NPR. For world news, BBC.
Any other one of the cable or network news outlets are for entertainment purposes only.
 
2012-09-05 11:36:09 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: Democrats say their penis is 7 inches long when it's actually 6.

Republicans say their their boy toy's penis is 33 inches long when it's actually 2.

So vote Republican.


FTFM
 
2012-09-05 11:36:41 AM
img211.imageshack.us

See? Both sides ARE bad.
 
2012-09-05 11:36:42 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: mrshowrules: - "The keynote speaker, San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, also said there have been 4.5 million 'new jobs' under Obama. The fact is the economy has regained only 4 million of the 4.3 million jobs lost since Obama took office."

Doesn't that make the statement 88% true. Not to shabby. Considering these are estimates the statement could very well by 100% true.

wut?
4.3 million jobs lost. 4M "new jobs" created - conclusion from the 0bamanuts: oh look, 0bama is doing a good job since we are only down by 300k jobs since he took office.


The GOP can lose jobs faster than Obama can gain them back. Without Obama we would be sitting at 8.6 million lost.

Vote Romney.
 
2012-09-05 11:37:54 AM

Ronsen Lighter: My takeaways from the Democrat convention so far:

- No more "God" recognition for Democrats
- Government sanctioned and funded abortions for all that want them
- No more recognition of Jerusalem
- Pro gay marriage worship
- All citizens "belong" to the government

I'm done with watching them, or listening to them (except being bashed in upcoming Republican ads, or on Fox opinion shows).

For those of you that hang in there with the Democrats - you might want to go ahead and order your Qurans now, before prices go up (I believe you will be ordered to use them as part of your continued Democrat party affiliation).


Wow. You said a mouthful. (just not sure what was in your mouth)
 
2012-09-05 11:37:56 AM

coeyagi: No, it's actually about 3 million private sector jobs. It you add in public sector, 300,000 becomes the net.


You're flat wrong. Check out the "Vegas Math, Real Math" Fark article down the page.

The Fark headline also ignores the public sector. If you get confused by the article's body, you can skip down to the conclusion.
 
2012-09-05 11:38:09 AM
In other news: Politicians spin, bend, and generally strain "facts" to make the point they want to make.

Oh. My. God.

Also: The "independent fact checkers" companies have been found to be inaccurate at times as well. So, this whole thing is stupid.

But, hey! If it makes you feel better to shout "My party's lies are better than your party's lies!" then by all means, carry on.
 
2012-09-05 11:38:16 AM
coeyagi
Just remember kids, 14 of the top 20 bullshiatters are GOPers.


Hmmm, a bullshiat website trying to call out other people fo bullshiat. I'm not huckelberry but that seems ironic
 
2012-09-05 11:38:37 AM
This just in! Politicians of all types are lying sacks of shiat!
 
2012-09-05 11:39:00 AM

starsrift: cameroncrazy1984: tenpoundsofcheese: Fewer people are working today than when he took office.

Actually, that's a lie. Net gain of 300,000 jobs since Jan 20, 2009.

When you include private and public sectors, it's a net loss. The 300k net gain number is purely from the private sector.

Obama would be gold on this particular point, if he wasn't for... ready for this? .... smaller government.


Smaller government? Really?
 
Displayed 50 of 447 comments

First | « | 1 | 2 | 3 | 4 | 5 | 6 | 7 | 8 | 9 | » | Last | Show all



This thread is archived, and closed to new comments.

Continue Farking
Submit a Link »






Report