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2012-09-05 08:14:44 AM
10 votes:
Can we please stop sending money to Israel and let them fight their wars alone?
2012-09-05 08:48:15 AM
8 votes:
For once can we stop letting Israel dictate our foreign policies in the ME and tell them to fight their own battles? Christ knows we send them enough money to do it. We don't have to keep sending them US bodies as well.
2012-09-05 08:07:16 AM
7 votes:
I can hardly believe this statement is coming from me, as I've always considered myself an adamant supporter of Israel, but it may time for Obama to take a tough public stand on Israels' shenanigans.
2012-09-05 09:29:56 AM
4 votes:
As a concerned USA citizen that wants Israel, Iran and all the other middle eastern countries to live in peace and security, let me say this- Israel, go screw yourself. Iran having a nuclear weapon is no more a threat to you than Pakistan having one. The Iranians know that should they ever attack Israel with a nuke, the Israelis would wipe out every Iranian city. Iran may be a lot of things, but they aren't suicidal.
2012-09-05 09:19:45 AM
4 votes:
Here's part of a NY Times story from 1995...

Iran is much closer to producing nuclear weapons than previously thought, and could be less than five years away from having an atomic bomb, several senior American and Israeli officials say.

"The date by which Iran will have nuclear weapons is no longer 10 years from now," a senior official said recently, referring to previous estimates.
2012-09-05 09:23:56 AM
3 votes:
Here's part of a story from the early 80s...

A report that Iran might be building atomic weapons has again set off nuclear nervousness over the Middle East, where heavily armed nations edge closer year by year to obtaining "The Bomb"
Lewiston Daily Sun - May 5, 1984
2012-09-05 09:21:28 AM
3 votes:

Cythraul: Lunaville: I can hardly believe this statement is coming from me, as I've always considered myself an adamant supporter of Israel, but it may time for Obama to take a tough public stand on Israels' shenanigans.

Agreed. I was listening to NPR a couple of days ago, and apparently Israel is becoming far more a political issue than it has been in the past. Many Israelis do not see this as a good thing. And why would they? If they force themselves to be a political issue, it could very well backlash against them.

As far as my personal beliefs, hearing fundie Christians talk about how the U.S. needs to protect Israel because it is the site where Jesus comes back, or some other such lunacy, is all I need to make up my mind. All the added issues of the eternal Israel/Palestine war and Israel being a borderline theocracy just reinforces my opinion.


how many neocon/jewish lobby in america has the ear of NPR enough to set an agenda with it?

Or put a less strident way, how many east coast media types overthink Israeli/US relations?

I am exceptionally happy that Obama does not lock-step with Israel like so many of his predecessors have. It should not be US policy to blindly write checks to support another country, particularly one with such an antagonistic past as Israel has.

Take away the religion and the ginned up "we owe Israel after what Europe did to the Jews 4 generations ago" and what you have is one angry little country always at war with its neighbors wanting the USA to support it no matter what. That's not right.

Obama is courageous to stand up to the phony neocon arguments and the leftover cold war noise. Its predictable the neocons would ratchet up said noise, its all they have.
2012-09-05 08:50:50 AM
3 votes:
FOX still pretending that the problem with US Israel relations is that the US Dems are too mean to Israel?

Yeah, that'll fly.

After Romney basically told Beebs he had his back in case Israel wanted to bomb Iran I'd think most people would find that more troubling.
2012-09-05 12:53:41 PM
2 votes:
U.S. to Jews after the Holocaust: "WE ARE SO SORRY FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU IN THE HOLOCAUST!! WE TOTES WOULD HAVE MADE IT OVER HERE EARLIER IF ONLY WE'D KNOWN!!! WE'LL FIGHT ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS A PIECE OF YOU FOR THE REST OF YOUR EXISTENCE AND GIVE YOU AS MUCH OF OUR MONEY AS YOU WANT JUST SO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU MEAN TO US!!!!"

U.S. to African Americans after the Civil War and slavery ended: "F*ck you, n*****r. Get back to work."
2012-09-05 12:45:53 PM
2 votes:
Hey Israel... Don't pick fights and expect your friends to fight them for you. It's a great way to lose friends.
2012-09-05 12:38:46 PM
2 votes:
Hey, Isreal: Fight your own damn wars.

You are as famished for conflict as the enemies you make for yourselves. Don't drag the rest of the world down to your level.
2012-09-05 10:36:59 AM
2 votes:
Dear Israel,
i232.photobucket.com
Sincerely,
Us
2012-09-05 10:21:23 AM
2 votes:
2012-09-05 09:51:33 AM
2 votes:

what_now: Wait, Barack Obama is the president of what country?


The United States of Being At Israel's Beck And Call.
2012-09-05 09:44:56 AM
2 votes:
Feeling so vulnerable, Israel needs strong assurances from its key ally, said Dore Gold, a former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations and confidant of Netanyahu.

"We have to hear something a lot more concrete, a lot more public from the U.S., which is the leader of free world. What is it going to do?" Gold told the Army Radio station.


It's going to tell you to go f*ck yourself, Dore Gold.
2012-09-05 09:28:47 AM
2 votes:
Good, let them wait.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-09-05 09:24:47 AM
2 votes:
Good. We need to be less involved in the Middle East, not more.
2012-09-05 09:17:04 AM
2 votes:
Israel, convinced that Iran isn't taking seriously U.S. vows to block it from acquiring nuclear weapons, believes that time to stop the Iranians is quickly running out.


Here's part of a story from 2000...

The C.I.A. began to warn policy makers nearly a decade ago that Iran was likely to have nuclear weapons around the turn of the century. Now that the new century has arrived, the agency is offering a cautious warning that it can no longer be sure whether Iran has made more progress on its atomic program than previously believed.

Senior Clinton administration officials have tried to play down the significance of the C.I.A.'s new assessment
2012-09-05 08:53:31 AM
2 votes:

Lunaville: I can hardly believe this statement is coming from me, as I've always considered myself an adamant supporter of Israel, but it may time for Obama to take a tough public stand on Israels' shenanigans.


Agreed. I was listening to NPR a couple of days ago, and apparently Israel is becoming far more a political issue than it has been in the past. Many Israelis do not see this as a good thing. And why would they? If they force themselves to be a political issue, it could very well backlash against them.

As far as my personal beliefs, hearing fundie Christians talk about how the U.S. needs to protect Israel because it is the site where Jesus comes back, or some other such lunacy, is all I need to make up my mind. All the added issues of the eternal Israel/Palestine war and Israel being a borderline theocracy just reinforces my opinion.
2012-09-05 08:52:30 AM
2 votes:
Then I guess Israel might want to do something about that. They've done it before, they can do it again.

Of course, they might have to do it alone, and without help, but I'm sure that they're very bootstrappy and won't need no UN or the US to back them up...
2012-09-05 05:10:04 PM
1 votes:

Gyrfalcon: PsiChick: Lunaville: Okay, I thought I'd replied to Cythraul and Generation D. If a comment about Israel turns up in a thread about a deer frolicking in an IHOP, that would be me.

I guess I'll try to remember it.

At risk of sounding like I think my version of Christianity is THE version of Christianity, I suspect some people who identify as fundamentalist Christians are not truly concerned about what is best for Israel. I think they want to sacrifice Israel to a war that they believe will induce the second coming of Christ.



THIS is the part that should be emphasized.

EVANGELICALS WANT TO SACRIFICE ISRAEL. They do not have Israel's best interests at heart, and should not be allowed to make policy decisions for or against this nation.

Israel is full of real, living people. They don't deserve to be someone's sacrificial lamb. No one does.

It's worth remembering. If Jesus can't come back until there's a final Armageddon in Israel, you can bet those who think he's going to arrive any day now would take any opportunity to hurry it along. So what if Israel and Iran are both smoking radioactive holes in the ground? JEEZUZ IS GONNA RAPTURE US ALL AWAY!!


And the sickening part is that Jews aren't raptured. Only born-again, Evangelical Xians.

So as a sum total, they're going to manipulate a group into voluntary near-genocide, then abandon said group to Hell so they can go to Heaven.

And they wonder why the rest of us find them disgusting slime.
2012-09-05 05:10:00 PM
1 votes:
Popping in to give the opinion of a random person from the European side of the Atlantic.

I like that your president seems to wait for actual evidence that a country is manufacturing weapons of mass destruction, rather than blundering into the first country that looks shifty. Especially since, when any of us over here dared to suggest the last time around that that might not be the smartest plan, we were screamed at for being "undemocratic freedom haters". We're also a hell of a lot more likely to support you in any new conflict, since your current president has done a lot of work to rebuild bridges here that weren't so much burned by the last guy as they were nuked into oblivion.

/I'm not even going to get into the whole Palestine/Israel stuff
//It's a horribly complicated, awful situation that's ten times worse than anything we went through
///And Gods knows we went through enough
2012-09-05 04:35:54 PM
1 votes:

Lunaville: Okay, I thought I'd replied to Cythraul and Generation D. If a comment about Israel turns up in a thread about a deer frolicking in an IHOP, that would be me.

I guess I'll try to remember it.

At risk of sounding like I think my version of Christianity is THE version of Christianity, I suspect some people who identify as fundamentalist Christians are not truly concerned about what is best for Israel. I think they want to sacrifice Israel to a war that they believe will induce the second coming of Christ.



THIS is the part that should be emphasized.

EVANGELICALS WANT TO SACRIFICE ISRAEL. They do not have Israel's best interests at heart, and should not be allowed to make policy decisions for or against this nation.

Israel is full of real, living people. They don't deserve to be someone's sacrificial lamb. No one does.
2012-09-05 03:44:11 PM
1 votes:

Persnickety: way south: It's an election year, so it's understandable that the incumbent doesn't want to put himself on the record as for or against a war.
But not taking a position is also a position.

He's forming a habit of only going after the targets of his predecessors, and stalling on other situations untill they've practically decided themselves.
That can be interpreted as weakness, and weakness can goad either the Israelis or Iranians into doing something regrettable.

At some point, Obama needs to take the helm because he is still going to get the blame.


So Obama going after bin Laden and Gadaffhi (ya know, actual terroists) doesn't count in your world because they existed before he took office? Makes perfect sense.


I give him his due for permitting a sovereignty bending strike in Nuclear armed Pakistan, but Osama was a long standing target with men assigned to hunt him since previous administrations.
The military and CIA didn't start hunting "real terrorists" under his watch.

The Libyans were begging for months before the Allies got involved. The Syrians are still begging. Half a dozen nations in the region going through their Arab springs were asking for something more palpable than the presidents best wishes.
They wait on Obama, Obama is waits on the UN.

Bush, Clinton, Reagan, Carter and other past presidents were a bit more forthcoming with their actions. They didn't always make the best decisions, but they didn't have the appearance of sitting idly by and hoping things turn out for the best.

Obama is an Ok president, but I don't think he's much for leadership.
2012-09-05 03:32:28 PM
1 votes:

MrBallou: Headso: Here's part of a NY Times story from 1995...

Iran is much closer to producing nuclear weapons than previously thought, and could be less than five years away from having an atomic bomb, several senior American and Israeli officials say.

"The date by which Iran will have nuclear weapons is no longer 10 years from now," a senior official said recently, referring to previous estimates.

Even if the did manage to make a bomb, it's not like they're the USSR with thousands of them and ICBMs to put them on. At most they could do 1/10 the damage done in any of the recent conventional wars around there and they have incentive not to. They know they would be hammered into the earth if they ever did. If they even want a bomb, they only want it for dick-waving purposes.

Israel is clearly the bad guy here. I'm more worried about them using their nucs (hypocrisy, anyone?) than Iran.


Your fears and your beliefs don't make it hypocrisy. It makes it speculation from an impartial observer who likely doesn't have any training to make their gesticulations and spasms worth interpreting. That is, of course, unless you've access to some data we don't have access to and/or are actually an intelligence specialist, maybe political scientist, military data analyst, or the likes?

No?

Then, no, that's not hypocrisy. That's just you wetting your pants in public again.
2012-09-05 03:04:27 PM
1 votes:
Quite frankly I'm more worried about Russia's nuclear arsenal, which everyone seems to have forgotten about. Scared me as a kid and now even more as an adult.
2012-09-05 03:02:25 PM
1 votes:
Israel : United States :: North Korea : China
2012-09-05 02:50:25 PM
1 votes:

way south: At some point, Obama needs to take the helm because he is still going to get the blame.


He has the helm. Holding steady is sometimes more prudent. Sometimes cooler heads prevail there Mr. ItchyTriggerFinger.
2012-09-05 02:43:02 PM
1 votes:

Vodka Zombie: Can we please stop sending money to Israel and let them fight their wars alone?


farking Aye!
2012-09-05 02:41:16 PM
1 votes:
It's an election year, so it's understandable that the incumbent doesn't want to put himself on the record as for or against a war.
But not taking a position is also a position.

He's forming a habit of only going after the targets of his predecessors, and stalling on other situations untill they've practically decided themselves.
That can be interpreted as weakness, and weakness can goad either the Israelis or Iranians into doing something regrettable.

At some point, Obama needs to take the helm because he is still going to get the blame.
2012-09-05 02:12:13 PM
1 votes:
Mugato

I guess in your psychotic "OMG OBAMA SECRET MUSLIM" dreamworld you

For those times facts aren't on your side, you always have ad hominem.
2012-09-05 02:04:57 PM
1 votes:

Generation_D
Obama is courageous to stand up to the phony neocon arguments and the leftover cold war noise. Its predictable the neocons would ratchet up said noise, its all they have.


uh huh. Failed history so you're begging to repeat it.

Look how bat s--t cray this nation (Both R's and D's) went after 9/11 and ~3k people killed. From military actions, to throwing liberty on the fire, to ballooning of government spying on innocents.

Take a moment to imagine what is going to happen when something a bit more exciting >pops
We demand folks keep firearms from children and the insane, yet fark's jew bashing leftists want to allow groups who have flat out supported exterminating a race from the planet have the biggest stick on the block. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
2012-09-05 01:59:24 PM
1 votes:
Cythraul [TotalFark]

As far as my personal beliefs, hearing fundie Christians talk about how the U.S. needs to protect Israel because it is the site where Jesus comes back, or some other such lunacy, is all I need to make up my mind.


Oh bulls--t. I have never once hear that reason given. Not once. What a load of crap.
2012-09-05 01:47:28 PM
1 votes:

indylaw: Porous Horace: What I gathered from that article is that Israel wants the US to at least make a firm statement about Iran.

But it's nice to see all the Jew hate, reminds me of why Israel is necessary.

If you don't capitulate to what Israel wants then you hate the Jews!


They asking the US about something that is very important to them.
They would appreciate at the very least, a statement.
Other countries ask other countries for things all the time.
The US already has sanctions on Iran in place, who's doing was that?

I don't feel like repeating this, so it applies to the other, similar replies.
I made two statements.
One about what was said in the article and one reflecting on the importance of Israel for Jews, especially in light of the comments in this thread.
Criticism of Israel is not antisemitism.
The following, on the other hand is highly suspect.
"I'm sick of paying for Israel - so what if they got Holocausted, get over it! Dang Jews always bringing up the Holocaust as a guilt-trip for everything."
"That sounds rather antisemitic."
"No! I'm just putting forth an informed and well thought-out criticism of Israel's actions and you're trying to shut me down with accusations of antisemitism!"
So we have two things here:
1) The "Jews are guilt-tripping us about the Holocaust!" argument, though it's usually Jew haters who bring this up in the first place. I've never seen a "b-b-but the holocaust!" argument here.
2) The "As soon as I try to criticize Israel I get shut down with accusations of antisemitism!" argument, which is a laugh because sometimes, if one looks closely enough, one can actually find here criticism and debates about Israel that don't resort to 1) or 2).

Ugh. Not previewing.
2012-09-05 01:41:16 PM
1 votes:
I don't know about you, but if G.W. Bush rattled a sabre about the Axis of Evil, then listed Iraq, North Korea and Iran...

Lemme think here... Given who got invaded and who didn't... I'd be working on nukular weapons tuit sweet.
2012-09-05 01:33:46 PM
1 votes:

Dr Dreidel: Mugato: Porous Horace: But it's nice to see all the Jew hate, reminds me of why Israel is necessary.

This took a while. Usually the "anyone who says anything negative about our policies in Israel is an ANTI-SEMITE" shows up before the 5th post.

If you say "Jew" when you mean "Israeli", and conflate them in a negative context, what's a poor bagel-eater to think?


Your religious men devote their lives to studying a millenia-old book of old guys bickering back and forth about whether and how a piece of string around your town allows you to carry some kugel to your bubbe's house on Shabbos. I'm pretty sure the bagel-eaters can distinguish between criticism of Israeli policy and simple anti-Semitism in a mask.
2012-09-05 01:28:36 PM
1 votes:

MrBallou: Even if the did manage to make a bomb, it's not like they're the USSR with thousands of them and ICBMs to put them on. At most they could do 1/10 the damage done in any of the recent conventional wars around there and they have incentive not to. They know they would be hammered into the earth if they ever did. If they even want a bomb, they only want it for dick-waving purposes.


Having "the bomb" guarantees you won't be invaded. That's the only reason anyone wants one these days.
2012-09-05 01:27:27 PM
1 votes:

Porous Horace: But it's nice to see all the Jew hate, reminds me of why Israel is necessary.


This took a while. Usually the "anyone who says anything negative about our policies in Israel is an ANTI-SEMITE" shows up before the 5th post.
2012-09-05 01:24:48 PM
1 votes:

Porous Horace: What I gathered from that article is that Israel wants the US to at least make a firm statement about Iran.

But it's nice to see all the Jew hate, reminds me of why Israel is necessary.


If you don't capitulate to what Israel wants then you hate the Jews!
2012-09-05 01:22:08 PM
1 votes:
What I gathered from that article is that Israel wants the US to at least make a firm statement about Iran.

But it's nice to see all the Jew hate, reminds me of why Israel is necessary.
2012-09-05 01:17:29 PM
1 votes:
If Iran is seeking nuclear weapons, they are not doing it to attack Israel. There is nothing to be gained from that. They are doing it as a deterrent against the USA in the short term, and Saudi Arabia in the long term.
2012-09-05 01:14:13 PM
1 votes:

indylaw: If the Israelis feel there's a real threat, then just go ahead and bomb the fark out of Iran. The United States will certainly help you cover your asses. But if you just want the United States to do your dirty work for you, don't biatch and whine if your friend wants to consider its options first. G-d, it's like those pair of Looney Tunes dogs, the big bulldog and the little chihuahua who keeps jumping up and yipping "C'mon Spike, you gonna let him talk like that? Let him have it! Yeah Spike!"


That is the perfect analogy and quite possibly what the cartoonist intended politically,
2012-09-05 01:14:01 PM
1 votes:
America waits on any US President to take a tough public position on Israel's nuclear program - and waits and waits and waits some more
2012-09-05 12:53:33 PM
1 votes:
I'm sorry...

What exactly has "our staunchest ally" in the Middle East EVER farkING DONE BUT MAKE EVERYONE HATE THE US?

About the only benefit you might argue would be saying that : קהילת המודיעין הישראלית feeds us intelligence from the middle east.

I think Dick Cheney's camping out at the DIA and vetting information there tells you how useful that might be.
2012-09-05 12:53:16 PM
1 votes:

Dr Dreidel: That. Bibi can't sell the war to Israelis, and he can't sell it to Americans. (Interestingly enough, it's the left in both countries that is anti-war. Did I say " interesting? I meant "unsurprising".)


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From Another Article: "All of the past and present heads of the security establishment, the Shin Bet security service and the Mossad are saying 'don't strike,'" Winograd said. "And only Barak and Netanyahu will decide to do so? For what? With all the dangers and everything that is happening - maybe there is another solution?"

Its not just the Israeli left. Pretty much everyone who farked up in the 2006 war and the committee that told everyone how badly they farked up is telling everyone not to go and fark up again. Its more like the rationalists vs. the irrationalists.
2012-09-05 12:50:01 PM
1 votes:
Time for Israel to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and deal with their own problems.
2012-09-05 12:45:42 PM
1 votes:

smitty04: Everyone in Israel knows a voter that lives in Florida. If you cut off money to Israel, you would need to cut off the money to Egypt and others. Under the Carter peace agreement, we agreed to pay everyone not to fight.


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Throwing money at problems - its the American Way!
2012-09-05 12:43:27 PM
1 votes:
Iran bombs Israel = our oil prices go up
Israel bombs Iran = our oil prices go up

Sorry, guys. It's kind of lose-lose for us. We already wasted a couple of trillion dollars of our taxpayers' money on two pre-emptive wars in your region. How about you pick up the next one with that fancy military we bought for you?
2012-09-05 12:43:25 PM
1 votes:
Submitter: Batshiat Crazy Netanyahoo Network Israel waits on President Barack Obama to take a tough public position be its lapdog on Iran's nuclear program - and waits and waits and waits some more

Fixed that for everyone. Don't confuse a right-wing theocratic government with a fairly complex and diverse nation, Submitter.
2012-09-05 10:37:45 AM
1 votes:
Does anybody have a non-FauxNews source for this?

As you know it's unlike Fox news to quote out of context or try to stir something up during an election year.
2012-09-05 10:23:35 AM
1 votes:
2012-09-05 08:41:41 AM
1 votes:
Try holding your breath
 
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