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2012-09-05 12:45:53 PM  
Hey Israel... Don't pick fights and expect your friends to fight them for you. It's a great way to lose friends.
 
2012-09-05 12:46:45 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: Bibi is getting desperate. He can't find a way to unwind this without Obama, so he's been reduced to begging for this chit.


That. Bibi can't sell the war to Israelis, and he can't sell it to Americans. (Interestingly enough, it's the left in both countries that is anti-war. Did I say " interesting? I meant "unsurprising".)

Iran has been close to the bomb for 20 years now. The Israeli right (notice - Ehud Barak wasn't so keen on it; neither was Rabin) has been pushing for an Iran war for almost as long. The American right has wanted it since 1979.

Bibi knows he can't unilaterally attack Iran - they have China and Russia's protection, as well as being a major oil shipping lane. At this point, it appears he's getting the message that Obama doesn't want war with Iran. Adelson & Co (along with the American right) are pushing for war with Iran, which they'd likely get with Romney (they'd get more sabre-rattling at least, and a unified US/Israel international sabre-rattle).
 
2012-09-05 12:47:03 PM  
Israel waits on for President Barack Obama to take a tough public position on Iran's nuclear program

FTFY.

/"waiting on" is for restaurants
 
2012-09-05 12:48:08 PM  

puckrock2000: /"waiting on" is for restaurants


Fairly sure that's exactly the sort of relationship Israel thinks it's in with us.
 
2012-09-05 12:48:46 PM  
By the time Iran managed to get a somewhat functional and non photoshopped ICBM, we'll likely be on our second generation of somewhat reliable SDI type system. The Flight III Aegis destroyers already show a lot of promise and we'll have them, Japan will have them, and the ROK will have them. Plus possibly more Euro countries if they pull their heads out of their asses. Also we have some promising ground based interception options.

You know what is cheaper than invading every goddamn country that appears to have a functional nuclear reactor and rocketry program? Aegis destroyers and cruisers. Plus they have other uses. Antipiracy platforms, taking out space debris/non functional satellites that poses a threat to things like the ISS, rescuing crews of other ships, etc. You can also use the technology as a possible foundation for asteroid killing weapons which could come in handy one day. If you take the CBOs 2.4 trillion dollar cost for Iraq and spent a quarter of that on Aegis platforms and future R&D for a missile interceptor, we'd be better off from a national security posture.
 
2012-09-05 12:50:01 PM  
Time for Israel to pull themselves up by their bootstraps and deal with their own problems.
 
2012-09-05 12:50:14 PM  
"The wrong done to European Jews is one of the reasons that Israel needs to exist."

Ok I am sorry, the Holocaust was a horrible thing. But its not like its been the only attempted genocide in history nor do I believe it was the worst. I think the Old farking Testament have stories of Jews wiping out other Ethnic groups. Its been going on a long time. You don't see people insisting that the Tutsi have their own country do you?
 
2012-09-05 12:51:08 PM  
Don't make Israel count to three...One!...TWO!!!...
 
2012-09-05 12:53:08 PM  
Despite the fact that 1000's of countries have been overtaken or conquerd, and that every country that exists today had it's borders stolen/given to them from someone other country before them, Israel is the only one who seems to claim the right to a "do-over" and wanted their land back.
 
2012-09-05 12:53:16 PM  

Dr Dreidel: That. Bibi can't sell the war to Israelis, and he can't sell it to Americans. (Interestingly enough, it's the left in both countries that is anti-war. Did I say " interesting? I meant "unsurprising".)


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From Another Article: "All of the past and present heads of the security establishment, the Shin Bet security service and the Mossad are saying 'don't strike,'" Winograd said. "And only Barak and Netanyahu will decide to do so? For what? With all the dangers and everything that is happening - maybe there is another solution?"

Its not just the Israeli left. Pretty much everyone who farked up in the 2006 war and the committee that told everyone how badly they farked up is telling everyone not to go and fark up again. Its more like the rationalists vs. the irrationalists.
 
2012-09-05 12:53:33 PM  
I'm sorry...

What exactly has "our staunchest ally" in the Middle East EVER farkING DONE BUT MAKE EVERYONE HATE THE US?

About the only benefit you might argue would be saying that : קהילת המודיעין הישראלית feeds us intelligence from the middle east.

I think Dick Cheney's camping out at the DIA and vetting information there tells you how useful that might be.
 
2012-09-05 12:53:41 PM  
U.S. to Jews after the Holocaust: "WE ARE SO SORRY FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU IN THE HOLOCAUST!! WE TOTES WOULD HAVE MADE IT OVER HERE EARLIER IF ONLY WE'D KNOWN!!! WE'LL FIGHT ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS A PIECE OF YOU FOR THE REST OF YOUR EXISTENCE AND GIVE YOU AS MUCH OF OUR MONEY AS YOU WANT JUST SO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU MEAN TO US!!!!"

U.S. to African Americans after the Civil War and slavery ended: "F*ck you, n*****r. Get back to work."
 
2012-09-05 12:55:29 PM  
Lunaville: The wrong done to European Jews is one of the reasons that Israel needs to exist.

So that's why there are Armenians occupying, er living in Manitoba. I hear they recently pushed for statehood. Canada's miffed that there will be a country wholly within their borders but, hey. It's Canada, eh?

And of course those survivors of Nanking shacked up in Australia after the war. They don't want to go back to China. Just a little too close to Japan and you never know when Japan will get all looty and rapy on you. Best to have a couple of seas between you and them.

Ukrainians that weren't wiped out by Stalin are demanding the UN give them some turf for past wrongs. Nothing wrong with Ukraine but the South of France is lovely this time of year. Move all of the French out and it will be even lovelier. Call it "New Ukrainia".

And we could go on but no one is guarding the birthday cake. Don't know who it was for but I'm a gonna get me a slice. And I'll be calling the UN and demanding my slice if one of the secretaries say "Hey, that's Accounting's cake." "Bull." I shall reply "My people were denied cake in the last three wars. I deserve a slice. I deserve a slice!"
 
2012-09-05 12:55:30 PM  

EyeballKid: U.S. to Jews after the Holocaust: "WE ARE SO SORRY FOR WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU IN THE HOLOCAUST!! WE TOTES WOULD HAVE MADE IT OVER HERE EARLIER IF ONLY WE'D KNOWN!!! WE'LL FIGHT ANYBODY ELSE WHO WANTS A PIECE OF YOU FOR THE REST OF YOUR EXISTENCE AND GIVE YOU AS MUCH OF OUR MONEY AS YOU WANT JUST SO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH YOU MEAN TO US!!!!"

U.S. to African Americans after the Civil War and slavery ended: "F*ck you, n*****r. Get back to work."


Forty acres and a mullah.
 
2012-09-05 12:56:17 PM  

maxheck: What exactly has "our staunchest ally" in the Middle East EVER farkING DONE BUT MAKE EVERYONE HATE THE US?


The saddest part was up until Kermit Roosevelt farked up Iran, Iran had the potential to be the best ally in the Middle East. Although Iran did have a bit of a Soviet lean due to the fact they didn't want to piss off the giant bear just north of them. At the same time though they did worry about the Soviet Union going "Hey, the Iranian SSR would mean we have a warm water port, lets do this thing" so they wanted to be friends with the West.

/our staunchest ally is likely the Egyptian military
//the Turks are pretty solid overall, although they vary from election to election
 
2012-09-05 12:56:26 PM  
Israel is the Democrats best kept secret....they have turned their backs on them, they removed a section of the Democrat 2008 platform that supported Israel over Hamas from the 2012 platform...Obama is in the process of remaking the Middle East in his own image through support of the Muslim Brotherhood, which underminds Israel....and yet, the majority of Jews in America vote Liberal.
 
2012-09-05 12:58:50 PM  

Ummon: I think the Old farking Testament have stories of Jews wiping out other Ethnic groups.


And Christians slaughtered millions of everyone during the Crusades and Inquisition - to say nothing of pogroms, forced expulsions, and other illegal-but-tolerated (if not encouraged) behaviors of "benevolent" host countries over the last 1200 years. The OT timeline ends roughly 2500 years ago (and from what I understand, not very consistent with the historical record) - better to not base modern geopolitics on that book.

You don't see people insisting that the Tutsi have their own country do you?

No, but we do see it for Basques, Palestinians, Armenians, Kurds, American Indians, and any number of historically persecuted peoples.

// and DC statehood, but that's worlds different
// sounds like you're pissed the Israelis got what they wanted from the Brits
// the Brits signed over what was legally theirs, the locals got pissed, so Israelis took what was already legally theirs by force
// whether or not Israel "should" be a country, it "is" - so let's work on making them play nice with everyone else
// while also making sure everyone else plays nice
 
2012-09-05 01:01:00 PM  

puckrock2000: Israel waits on for President Barack Obama to take a tough public position on Iran's nuclear program

FTFY.

/"waiting on" is for restaurants


recordsleeves.com
 
2012-09-05 01:02:41 PM  

Dr Dreidel: // and DC statehood, but that's worlds different


Having to move your ass further up the red line is oppression of the highest order!
 
2012-09-05 01:02:51 PM  
If the Israelis feel there's a real threat, then just go ahead and bomb the fark out of Iran. The United States will certainly help you cover your asses. But if you just want the United States to do your dirty work for you, don't biatch and whine if your friend wants to consider its options first. G-d, it's like those pair of Looney Tunes dogs, the big bulldog and the little chihuahua who keeps jumping up and yipping "C'mon Spike, you gonna let him talk like that? Let him have it! Yeah Spike!"
 
2012-09-05 01:09:29 PM  

karnal: Israel is the Democrats best kept secret....they have turned their backs on them, they removed a section of the Democrat 2008 platform that supported Israel over Hamas from the 2012 platform...Obama is in the process of remaking the Middle East in his own image through support of the Muslim Brotherhood, which underminds Israel....and yet, the majority of Jews in America vote Liberal.


I guess in your psychotic "OMG OBAMA SECRET MUSLIM" dreamworld you forgot the part where Obama just signed a bill for yet another $70 bill in defense aid to Israel. What does Israel want from us, FFS? Oh right, the ability to dictate everything we do in the ME, as Romney promised. Well that's insane, sorry.
 
2012-09-05 01:09:49 PM  
Is it possible to stop caring so much what Israel thinks?
 
2012-09-05 01:10:03 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Dr Dreidel: // and DC statehood, but that's worlds different

Having to move your ass further up the red line is oppression of the highest order!


There's only degrees of difference between the Red Line and Israeli checkpoints.

// half joking
// the red line sucks
 
2012-09-05 01:10:27 PM  
"Hey Spike, do yawanna have a war with Iran, Spike? They gots nookular weapons and stuff, Spike!"
angleofreflection.files.wordpress.com
"Awwwwwww, shaddup!" *swat*
 
2012-09-05 01:12:48 PM  

Snarfangel: Dinki: As a concerned USA citizen that wants Israel, Iran and all the other middle eastern countries to live in peace and security, let me say this- Israel, go screw yourself. Iran having a nuclear weapon is no more a threat to you than Pakistan having one. The Iranians know that should they ever attack Israel with a nuke, the Israelis would wipe out every Iranian city. Iran may be a lot of things, but they aren't suicidal.

You claim they are not suicidal, but don't you remember how they fought to the last man in the Iran-Iraq War?


In fairness Iran was attacked by Iraq. Defending the homeland is very important for any Citezen. Even france fought on after it was conquered.
 
2012-09-05 01:12:53 PM  
Iran has been a couple years away from the bomb for going on a couple of decades, by my recollection.

Perhaps this boogey man has run it's course, and the only people left are the right wing bedwetters?
 
2012-09-05 01:13:51 PM  

karnal: Israel is the Democrats best kept secret....they have turned their backs on them, they removed a section of the Democrat 2008 platform that supported Israel over Hamas from the 2012 platform...Obama is in the process of remaking the Middle East in his own image through support of the Muslim Brotherhood, which underminds Israel....and yet, the majority of Jews in America vote Liberal.


Guess what? Israeli Jews aren't American Jews, and thus, their interests don't necessarily align.

We wouldn't have half the problems we currently have in the Middle East if we yanked on Israel's leash every now and then.
 
2012-09-05 01:14:01 PM  
America waits on any US President to take a tough public position on Israel's nuclear program - and waits and waits and waits some more
 
2012-09-05 01:14:13 PM  

indylaw: If the Israelis feel there's a real threat, then just go ahead and bomb the fark out of Iran. The United States will certainly help you cover your asses. But if you just want the United States to do your dirty work for you, don't biatch and whine if your friend wants to consider its options first. G-d, it's like those pair of Looney Tunes dogs, the big bulldog and the little chihuahua who keeps jumping up and yipping "C'mon Spike, you gonna let him talk like that? Let him have it! Yeah Spike!"


That is the perfect analogy and quite possibly what the cartoonist intended politically,
 
2012-09-05 01:15:08 PM  

karnal: and yet, the majority of Jews in America vote Liberal.


We just don't know what's good for us. Everyone knows how Jews have a historical reputation of being stupid.
 
2012-09-05 01:15:09 PM  

quatchi: FOX still pretending that the problem with US Israel relations is that the US Dems are too mean to Israel?

Yeah, that'll fly.

After Romney basically told Beebs he had his back in case Israel wanted to bomb Iran I'd think most people would find that more troubling.


Not really. Everyone wants to go to war with Iran because they are mean and might someday have nukes. If we don't do it soon, not only will they still be mean but they'll HAVE nukes and then we have to be nice to them. You know, like No. Korea.
 
2012-09-05 01:16:43 PM  
ha-ha-guy:

maxheck: What exactly has "our staunchest ally" in the Middle East EVER farkING DONE BUT MAKE EVERYONE HATE THE US?

The saddest part was up until Kermit Roosevelt farked up Iran, Iran had the potential to be the best ally in the Middle East. Although Iran did have a bit of a Soviet lean due to the fact they didn't want to piss off the giant bear just north of them. At the same time though they did worry about the Soviet Union going "Hey, the Iranian SSR would mean we have a warm water port, lets do this thing" so they wanted to be friends with the West.

/our staunchest ally is likely the Egyptian military
//the Turks are pretty solid overall, although they vary from election to election

Turkey is a very interesting case... I haven't been there, but a family member just got back from Turkey and made these observations:

A) they really like cats.
B) There is a sane way to balance religious fundamentalism and a democracy
C) Unfortunately, it involves an iron fist. I am amazed at what the Attaturk did. "Tomorrow, you will all wear fezzes!"

Israel is practicing apartheid, plain and simple. How the fark does one justify that?
 
2012-09-05 01:17:09 PM  

Gyrfalcon: quatchi: FOX still pretending that the problem with US Israel relations is that the US Dems are too mean to Israel?

Yeah, that'll fly.

After Romney basically told Beebs he had his back in case Israel wanted to bomb Iran I'd think most people would find that more troubling.

Not really. Everyone wants to go to war with Iran because they are mean and might someday have nukes. If we don't do it soon, not only will they still be mean but they'll HAVE nukes and then we have to be nice to them. You know, like No. Korea.


Starving an entire country half to death is just one way to show how nice you are to that country.
 
2012-09-05 01:17:29 PM  
If Iran is seeking nuclear weapons, they are not doing it to attack Israel. There is nothing to be gained from that. They are doing it as a deterrent against the USA in the short term, and Saudi Arabia in the long term.
 
2012-09-05 01:17:43 PM  
Why would the Obama administration even be interested? It can't send a drone in to to play whack-a-terrorist. Hey, it might even require...effort...and all that is going to making sure Barrack the Great steal an election.

Don't think so?

http://www.washingtonguardian.com/ballot-buck-passing

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/ap/politics/2012/Sep/04/ohio_bo a rds_can_t_set_final_hours_of_early_voting.html

http://www.redstate.com/paulkib/2012/08/03/obama-vs-ohio-soldiers/

/and so on...
//and so on...
 
2012-09-05 01:18:26 PM  
Mugato

karnal: Israel is the Democrats best kept secret....they have turned their backs on them, they removed a section of the Democrat 2008 platform that supported Israel over Hamas from the 2012 platform...Obama is in the process of remaking the Middle East in his own image through support of the Muslim Brotherhood, which underminds Israel....and yet, the majority of Jews in America vote Liberal.

I guess in your psychotic "OMG OBAMA SECRET MUSLIM" dreamworld you forgot the part where Obama just signed a bill for yet another $70 bill in defense aid to Israel. What does Israel want from us, FFS? Oh right, the ability to dictate everything we do in the ME, as Romney promised. Well that's insane, sorry.



Election Theatrics 

A good politician is someone who can be bought. A better politician is someone who can be bought cheaply. The best politician is someone who pays you.
 
2012-09-05 01:18:56 PM  
Israel has to do this before Ahmadinnerjacket leaves office next year. Without that they can't keep leveraging the "wipe Israel off the map" nonsense into overwhelming US support.
 
2012-09-05 01:19:22 PM  

hdhale: Why would the Obama administration even be interested? It can't send a drone in to to play whack-a-terrorist. Hey, it might even require...effort...and all that is going to making sure Barrack the Great steal an election.

Don't think so?

http://www.washingtonguardian.com/ballot-buck-passing

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/ap/politics/2012/Sep/04/ohio_bo a rds_can_t_set_final_hours_of_early_voting.html

http://www.redstate.com/paulkib/2012/08/03/obama-vs-ohio-soldiers/

/and so on...
//and so on...


you paying for it?
 
2012-09-05 01:19:31 PM  
Israel can go suck on a bag of uncircumcised non-kosher dicks.
 
2012-09-05 01:20:36 PM  

hdhale: Why would the Obama administration even be interested? It can't send a drone in to to play whack-a-terrorist. Hey, it might even require...effort...and all that is going to making sure Barrack the Great steal an election.

Don't think so?

http://www.washingtonguardian.com/ballot-buck-passing

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/news/ap/politics/2012/Sep/04/ohio_bo a rds_can_t_set_final_hours_of_early_voting.html

http://www.redstate.com/paulkib/2012/08/03/obama-vs-ohio-soldiers/

/and so on...
//and so on...


Thanks for giving us those references from bona fide non-biased sources.

/rolls eyes and leaves
 
2012-09-05 01:22:08 PM  
What I gathered from that article is that Israel wants the US to at least make a firm statement about Iran.

But it's nice to see all the Jew hate, reminds me of why Israel is necessary.
 
2012-09-05 01:22:29 PM  

karnal: Mugato

karnal: Israel is the Democrats best kept secret....they have turned their backs on them, they removed a section of the Democrat 2008 platform that supported Israel over Hamas from the 2012 platform...Obama is in the process of remaking the Middle East in his own image through support of the Muslim Brotherhood, which underminds Israel....and yet, the majority of Jews in America vote Liberal.

I guess in your psychotic "OMG OBAMA SECRET MUSLIM" dreamworld you forgot the part where Obama just signed a bill for yet another $70 bill in defense aid to Israel. What does Israel want from us, FFS? Oh right, the ability to dictate everything we do in the ME, as Romney promised. Well that's insane, sorry.


Election Theatrics 

A good politician is someone who can be bought. A better politician is someone who can be bought cheaply. The best politician is someone who pays you.


I'm sure you'll have an excuse for everything short of the President getting dual Israeli citizenship and waving the flag of Israel over the White House.
 
2012-09-05 01:23:08 PM  

SkunkWerks: Gyrfalcon: quatchi: FOX still pretending that the problem with US Israel relations is that the US Dems are too mean to Israel?

Yeah, that'll fly.

After Romney basically told Beebs he had his back in case Israel wanted to bomb Iran I'd think most people would find that more troubling.

Not really. Everyone wants to go to war with Iran because they are mean and might someday have nukes. If we don't do it soon, not only will they still be mean but they'll HAVE nukes and then we have to be nice to them. You know, like No. Korea.

Starving an entire country half to death is just one way to show how nice you are to that country.


It's nicer than invading, which if we were at all concerned about the citizens' well-being, we'd have done 15 years ago when that stupid dwarf was running the nation. Only proving my point that we only invade countries who can't fight back.
 
2012-09-05 01:23:26 PM  

shower_in_my_socks: Iran bombs Israel = our oil prices go up
Israel bombs Iran = our oil prices go up

Sorry, guys. It's kind of lose-lose for us. We already wasted a couple of trillion dollars of our taxpayers' money on two pre-emptive wars in your region. How about you pick up the next one with that fancy military we bought for you?


I'm sorry, two pre-emptive wars? I think we were pretty well justified when it came to Afghanistan, thank you very much.
 
2012-09-05 01:24:48 PM  

Porous Horace: What I gathered from that article is that Israel wants the US to at least make a firm statement about Iran.

But it's nice to see all the Jew hate, reminds me of why Israel is necessary.


If you don't capitulate to what Israel wants then you hate the Jews!
 
2012-09-05 01:27:27 PM  

Porous Horace: But it's nice to see all the Jew hate, reminds me of why Israel is necessary.


This took a while. Usually the "anyone who says anything negative about our policies in Israel is an ANTI-SEMITE" shows up before the 5th post.
 
2012-09-05 01:28:36 PM  

MrBallou: Even if the did manage to make a bomb, it's not like they're the USSR with thousands of them and ICBMs to put them on. At most they could do 1/10 the damage done in any of the recent conventional wars around there and they have incentive not to. They know they would be hammered into the earth if they ever did. If they even want a bomb, they only want it for dick-waving purposes.


Having "the bomb" guarantees you won't be invaded. That's the only reason anyone wants one these days.
 
2012-09-05 01:28:51 PM  

Gyrfalcon: It's nicer than invading


No, it really isn't. Ask anyone who's been on the brink of starving to death.
 
2012-09-05 01:29:30 PM  

indylaw: Porous Horace: What I gathered from that article is that Israel wants the US to at least make a firm statement about Iran.

But it's nice to see all the Jew hate, reminds me of why Israel is necessary.

If you don't capitulate to what Israel wants then you hate the Jews!


Yep. After all, every single Jew everywhere on the planet MUST support the Israeli government, therefore criticizing the Israeli government means you hate them.
 
2012-09-05 01:29:36 PM  

Mugato: Porous Horace: But it's nice to see all the Jew hate, reminds me of why Israel is necessary.

This took a while. Usually the "anyone who says anything negative about our policies in Israel is an ANTI-SEMITE" shows up before the 5th post.


If you say "Jew" when you mean "Israeli", and conflate them in a negative context, what's a poor bagel-eater to think?
 
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