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2012-09-05 08:07:16 AM  
I can hardly believe this statement is coming from me, as I've always considered myself an adamant supporter of Israel, but it may time for Obama to take a tough public stand on Israels' shenanigans.
 
2012-09-05 08:14:44 AM  
Can we please stop sending money to Israel and let them fight their wars alone?
 
2012-09-05 08:41:41 AM  
Try holding your breath
 
2012-09-05 08:48:15 AM  
For once can we stop letting Israel dictate our foreign policies in the ME and tell them to fight their own battles? Christ knows we send them enough money to do it. We don't have to keep sending them US bodies as well.
 
2012-09-05 08:50:50 AM  
FOX still pretending that the problem with US Israel relations is that the US Dems are too mean to Israel?

Yeah, that'll fly.

After Romney basically told Beebs he had his back in case Israel wanted to bomb Iran I'd think most people would find that more troubling.
 
2012-09-05 08:52:30 AM  
Then I guess Israel might want to do something about that. They've done it before, they can do it again.

Of course, they might have to do it alone, and without help, but I'm sure that they're very bootstrappy and won't need no UN or the US to back them up...
 
2012-09-05 08:53:31 AM  

Lunaville: I can hardly believe this statement is coming from me, as I've always considered myself an adamant supporter of Israel, but it may time for Obama to take a tough public stand on Israels' shenanigans.


Agreed. I was listening to NPR a couple of days ago, and apparently Israel is becoming far more a political issue than it has been in the past. Many Israelis do not see this as a good thing. And why would they? If they force themselves to be a political issue, it could very well backlash against them.

As far as my personal beliefs, hearing fundie Christians talk about how the U.S. needs to protect Israel because it is the site where Jesus comes back, or some other such lunacy, is all I need to make up my mind. All the added issues of the eternal Israel/Palestine war and Israel being a borderline theocracy just reinforces my opinion.
 
2012-09-05 09:17:04 AM  
Israel, convinced that Iran isn't taking seriously U.S. vows to block it from acquiring nuclear weapons, believes that time to stop the Iranians is quickly running out.


Here's part of a story from 2000...

The C.I.A. began to warn policy makers nearly a decade ago that Iran was likely to have nuclear weapons around the turn of the century. Now that the new century has arrived, the agency is offering a cautious warning that it can no longer be sure whether Iran has made more progress on its atomic program than previously believed.

Senior Clinton administration officials have tried to play down the significance of the C.I.A.'s new assessment
 
2012-09-05 09:19:45 AM  
Here's part of a NY Times story from 1995...

Iran is much closer to producing nuclear weapons than previously thought, and could be less than five years away from having an atomic bomb, several senior American and Israeli officials say.

"The date by which Iran will have nuclear weapons is no longer 10 years from now," a senior official said recently, referring to previous estimates.
 
2012-09-05 09:21:28 AM  

Cythraul: Lunaville: I can hardly believe this statement is coming from me, as I've always considered myself an adamant supporter of Israel, but it may time for Obama to take a tough public stand on Israels' shenanigans.

Agreed. I was listening to NPR a couple of days ago, and apparently Israel is becoming far more a political issue than it has been in the past. Many Israelis do not see this as a good thing. And why would they? If they force themselves to be a political issue, it could very well backlash against them.

As far as my personal beliefs, hearing fundie Christians talk about how the U.S. needs to protect Israel because it is the site where Jesus comes back, or some other such lunacy, is all I need to make up my mind. All the added issues of the eternal Israel/Palestine war and Israel being a borderline theocracy just reinforces my opinion.


how many neocon/jewish lobby in america has the ear of NPR enough to set an agenda with it?

Or put a less strident way, how many east coast media types overthink Israeli/US relations?

I am exceptionally happy that Obama does not lock-step with Israel like so many of his predecessors have. It should not be US policy to blindly write checks to support another country, particularly one with such an antagonistic past as Israel has.

Take away the religion and the ginned up "we owe Israel after what Europe did to the Jews 4 generations ago" and what you have is one angry little country always at war with its neighbors wanting the USA to support it no matter what. That's not right.

Obama is courageous to stand up to the phony neocon arguments and the leftover cold war noise. Its predictable the neocons would ratchet up said noise, its all they have.
 
2012-09-05 09:23:56 AM  
Here's part of a story from the early 80s...

A report that Iran might be building atomic weapons has again set off nuclear nervousness over the Middle East, where heavily armed nations edge closer year by year to obtaining "The Bomb"
Lewiston Daily Sun - May 5, 1984
 
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2012-09-05 09:24:47 AM  
Good. We need to be less involved in the Middle East, not more.
 
2012-09-05 09:28:47 AM  
Good, let them wait.
 
2012-09-05 09:29:56 AM  
As a concerned USA citizen that wants Israel, Iran and all the other middle eastern countries to live in peace and security, let me say this- Israel, go screw yourself. Iran having a nuclear weapon is no more a threat to you than Pakistan having one. The Iranians know that should they ever attack Israel with a nuke, the Israelis would wipe out every Iranian city. Iran may be a lot of things, but they aren't suicidal.
 
2012-09-05 09:34:05 AM  

Headso: Here's part of a NY Times story from 1995...

Iran is much closer to producing nuclear weapons than previously thought, and could be less than five years away from having an atomic bomb, several senior American and Israeli officials say.

"The date by which Iran will have nuclear weapons is no longer 10 years from now," a senior official said recently, referring to previous estimates.


Even if the did manage to make a bomb, it's not like they're the USSR with thousands of them and ICBMs to put them on. At most they could do 1/10 the damage done in any of the recent conventional wars around there and they have incentive not to. They know they would be hammered into the earth if they ever did. If they even want a bomb, they only want it for dick-waving purposes.

Israel is clearly the bad guy here. I'm more worried about them using their nucs (hypocrisy, anyone?) than Iran.
 
2012-09-05 09:37:38 AM  
Okay, I thought I'd replied to Cythraul and Generation D. If a comment about Israel turns up in a thread about a deer frolicking in an IHOP, that would be me.

I guess I'll try to remember it.

At risk of sounding like I think my version of Christianity is THE version of Christianity, I suspect some people who identify as fundamentalist Christians are not truly concerned about what is best for Israel. I think they want to sacrifice Israel to a war that they believe will induce the second coming of Christ.

The wrong done to European Jews is one of the reasons that Israel needs to exist. In particular, I am moved by accounts of Jewish refugees, particularly Jewish children, who were denied admission to the United States during the holocaust. I find it ironic that a nation so many of our citizens like to label a "Christian" nation acted in such an un-Christian manner. (I don't approve of labeling the USA a Christian nation. I think all citizens regardless of faith or lack thereof are equally citizens and should be equally recognized.) I wonder how many of the fundamentalists that now purport to support Israel, right or wrong, would have cried out against accepting Jewish refugees when their need was greatest?

I suspect that ordinary, perhaps relatively powerless, Israeli citizens are have begun to be manipulated, perhaps abused, by a right wing party that puts the desires of its' leaders above the long-term best interests of the nation and its' people as a whole.

That said, I am hardly an expert on Israel. I try to understand the issues surrounding Israel as best I can while bearing in mind my own relative ignorance.
 
2012-09-05 09:37:59 AM  

Generation_D: how many neocon/jewish lobby in america has the ear of NPR enough to set an agenda with it?

Or put a less strident way, how many east coast media types overthink Israeli/US relations?


I'm not sure what you mean by these questions. How many Jewish lobbyists have the ear of NPR enough to influence it?

The NPR piece I heard wasn't exactly painting the increasing importance of the U.S, Israel relations within the political campaign environment as a good thing. But then, it's sometimes hard to tell since NPR doesn't really try to promote an opinion.

And I don't think any over-thinking is being done here. With the increasing tensions between the U.S./Israel and Iran, I think it's a pretty important issue that deserves some serious consideration.
 
2012-09-05 09:41:13 AM  
Wait, Barack Obama is the president of what country?
 
2012-09-05 09:44:56 AM  
Feeling so vulnerable, Israel needs strong assurances from its key ally, said Dore Gold, a former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations and confidant of Netanyahu.

"We have to hear something a lot more concrete, a lot more public from the U.S., which is the leader of free world. What is it going to do?" Gold told the Army Radio station.


It's going to tell you to go f*ck yourself, Dore Gold.
 
2012-09-05 09:47:26 AM  

Cythraul: Generation_D: how many neocon/jewish lobby in america has the ear of NPR enough to set an agenda with it?

Or put a less strident way, how many east coast media types overthink Israeli/US relations?

I'm not sure what you mean by these questions. How many Jewish lobbyists have the ear of NPR enough to influence it?

The NPR piece I heard wasn't exactly painting the increasing importance of the U.S, Israel relations within the political campaign environment as a good thing. But then, it's sometimes hard to tell since NPR doesn't really try to promote an opinion.

And I don't think any over-thinking is being done here. With the increasing tensions between the U.S./Israel and Iran, I think it's a pretty important issue that deserves some serious consideration.


I think I get what he is saying. Sometimes there develops what could be described as an "American point of view".

I'm struggling to come up with a decent example. I'll go with the Revolutionary War. I think it can be safely asserted that the American point of view on the Revolutionary War is that it was a necessary war. Without it, we would not have gained our independence from England and we would not have the constitutional protections we now enjoy. Rarely, is it suggested that we might have followed the course of, for instance, Canada.

I don't think NPR is the place you would go to hear that the Revolutionary war was not truly necessary; that America could have evolved to be very much as it is today without the war. It just isn't going to stray that far from the "American point of view".

Does that make sense? Generation D, please, correct me if I have misunderstood you. I do not want to put unwanted words into your mouth.
 
2012-09-05 09:51:33 AM  

what_now: Wait, Barack Obama is the president of what country?


The United States of Being At Israel's Beck And Call.
 
2012-09-05 09:51:53 AM  
Feeling so vulnerable, Israel needs strong assurances from its key ally, said Dore Gold, a former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations and confidant of Netanyahu.

"We have to hear something a lot more concrete, a lot more public from the U.S., which is the leader of free world. What is it going to do?" Gold told the Army Radio station.


Israel: America's clingy, needy girlfriend.

In bed, a chattering Israel later asked a silent America "What are you thinking about?" and followed up with "Why don't you look in my eyes when we have sex?"
 
2012-09-05 10:21:23 AM  
 
2012-09-05 10:23:35 AM  
 
2012-09-05 10:27:38 AM  

Mentat: Guys, Obama's got this


That's encouraging. Thanks for posting that link.
 
2012-09-05 10:28:18 AM  

Mentat: Guys, Obama's got this


I'm a bit disappointed he's letting them save face, although I guess there are election concerns. Israel needs to be reminded that the tail does not wag the dog, and the day when our unequivocal support of them turns into more of a liability than an asset to our elected officials (as the old and evangelical die off to be replaced by the more secular, younger generation) is fast approaching. They're going to have to learn how to play nice with others instead of running off to mommy all the time.
 
2012-09-05 10:31:52 AM  
When Israel was a little kid didn't his mom tell him that when someone doesn't answer a question, that is an answer itself? That's kind of how it works in the real world.
 
2012-09-05 10:36:59 AM  
Dear Israel,
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Sincerely,
Us
 
2012-09-05 10:37:45 AM  
Does anybody have a non-FauxNews source for this?

As you know it's unlike Fox news to quote out of context or try to stir something up during an election year.
 
2012-09-05 10:42:40 AM  

Lunaville: Okay, I thought I'd replied to Cythraul and Generation D. If a comment about Israel turns up in a thread about a deer frolicking in an IHOP, that would be me.

I guess I'll try to remember it.

At risk of sounding like I think my version of Christianity is THE version of Christianity, I suspect some people who identify as fundamentalist Christians are not truly concerned about what is best for Israel. I think they want to sacrifice Israel to a war that they believe will induce the second coming of Christ.

The wrong done to European Jews is one of the reasons that Israel needs to exist. In particular, I am moved by accounts of Jewish refugees, particularly Jewish children, who were denied admission to the United States during the holocaust. I find it ironic that a nation so many of our citizens like to label a "Christian" nation acted in such an un-Christian manner. (I don't approve of labeling the USA a Christian nation. I think all citizens regardless of faith or lack thereof are equally citizens and should be equally recognized.) I wonder how many of the fundamentalists that now purport to support Israel, right or wrong, would have cried out against accepting Jewish refugees when their need was greatest?

I suspect that ordinary, perhaps relatively powerless, Israeli citizens are have begun to be manipulated, perhaps abused, by a right wing party that puts the desires of its' leaders above the long-term best interests of the nation and its' people as a whole.

That said, I am hardly an expert on Israel. I try to understand the issues surrounding Israel as best I can while bearing in mind my own relative ignorance.


Except I'm not a fundamentalist Christian.

Except Israel does not get a blank check forever, the Holocaust was 3 generations or 4 ago, at what point do we take the training wheels off Israel and let it sink or swim on its own merit? Why do they get favored nation status, other than some people in New York and Washington think they perpetually deserve to have it.

Here's another way of looking at it: The Europeans living in Israel are all just about gone now. Replacing them are native born Middle Easterners who happen to be Jewish. How many more years does the USA have to be the strong muscle for one middle-eastern religious theocracy fighting a holy war with its neighbors? The European justification is gone, or will be soon. Unless its a blank check for perpetuity to prop up Israel and do its bidding. Which I never signed.
 
2012-09-05 10:45:31 AM  

Cythraul: Generation_D: how many neocon/jewish lobby in america has the ear of NPR enough to set an agenda with it?

Or put a less strident way, how many east coast media types overthink Israeli/US relations?

I'm not sure what you mean by these questions. How many Jewish lobbyists have the ear of NPR enough to influence it?

The NPR piece I heard wasn't exactly painting the increasing importance of the U.S, Israel relations within the political campaign environment as a good thing. But then, it's sometimes hard to tell since NPR doesn't really try to promote an opinion.

And I don't think any over-thinking is being done here. With the increasing tensions between the U.S./Israel and Iran, I think it's a pretty important issue that deserves some serious consideration.


Framing this question as a US concern proves you're still playing 30 yrs ago Henry Kissinger influenced politics. The USA's best interest is very little related to the best interest of Israel. If you remove the "guilt and debt" of World War II and remove any special rights granted to Jews to abuse their neighbors, what actual reason is there for the USA to support Israel over Iran? Israel has no natural resources, Iran does. Thats a pretty big argument in favor of Iran, if anything.

I would prefer the USA stay out of the perpetual cripple-fight the Middle East has for itself and has had for itself throughout history. It was arrogant British foreign policy that installed Israel in the first place. How did we wind up getting stuck with the bill?
 
2012-09-05 10:56:55 AM  
bibi wants to nuke tehran. what's new?
 
2012-09-05 10:58:46 AM  

sweetmelissa31: Feeling so vulnerable, Israel needs strong assurances from its key ally, said Dore Gold, a former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations and confidant of Netanyahu.

"We have to hear something a lot more concrete, a lot more public from the U.S., which is the leader of free world. What is it going to do?" Gold told the Army Radio station.

It's going to tell you to go f*ck yourself, Dore Gold.


Woah calm down there Adolphina Hitlerette.
 
2012-09-05 10:59:49 AM  

Headso: "The date by which Iran will have nuclear weapons is no longer 10 years from now," a senior official said recently, referring to previous estimates.


And Iraq can unleash Weapons Of Mass Destruction that will reach the continental US in forty-five minutes!
 
2012-09-05 12:36:09 PM  
Bibi is getting desperate. He can't find a way to unwind this without Obama, so he's been reduced to begging for this chit.
 
2012-09-05 12:37:31 PM  

Vodka Zombie: Can we please stop sending money to Israel and let them fight their wars alone?


You would leave our fifty-first state out in the cold like that? What's next, Mississippi?
 
2012-09-05 12:38:31 PM  

Fark It: No U.S. intelligence agencies see evidence of Iran seeking nuclear weapons

fark Israel.


Seconded. I'm tired of them being the yappie loudmouth standing on the shoulder of the big bruiser.
 
2012-09-05 12:38:46 PM  
Hey, Isreal: Fight your own damn wars.

You are as famished for conflict as the enemies you make for yourselves. Don't drag the rest of the world down to your level.
 
2012-09-05 12:39:12 PM  
In an alternate dimension, President Obama would say in the DNC: "We will not wage war against Iran, and we will withdraw our military support to Israel, and instead we will focus that same attention into turn Palestine in a sovereign nation".

Then again, this is the same dimension the Old Ones awake when the stars are right, so...
 
2012-09-05 12:42:15 PM  

Snarfangel: Vodka Zombie: Can we please stop sending money to Israel and let them fight their wars alone?

You would leave our fifty-first state out in the cold like that? What's next, Mississippi?


Everyone in Israel knows a voter that lives in Florida. If you cut off money to Israel, you would need to cut off the money to Egypt and others. Under the Carter peace agreement, we agreed to pay everyone not to fight.
 
2012-09-05 12:43:25 PM  
Submitter: Batshiat Crazy Netanyahoo Network Israel waits on President Barack Obama to take a tough public position be its lapdog on Iran's nuclear program - and waits and waits and waits some more

Fixed that for everyone. Don't confuse a right-wing theocratic government with a fairly complex and diverse nation, Submitter.
 
2012-09-05 12:43:27 PM  
Iran bombs Israel = our oil prices go up
Israel bombs Iran = our oil prices go up

Sorry, guys. It's kind of lose-lose for us. We already wasted a couple of trillion dollars of our taxpayers' money on two pre-emptive wars in your region. How about you pick up the next one with that fancy military we bought for you?
 
2012-09-05 12:43:31 PM  

Therion: Headso: "The date by which Iran will have nuclear weapons is no longer 10 years from now," a senior official said recently, referring to previous estimates.

And Iraq can unleash Weapons Of Mass Destruction that will reach the continental US in forty-five minutes!


SHIAT! I can't even get home from downtown in that amount of time. How will I change into my war clothes?!?! I can't go through the apocalypse in hard-bottom shoes!!
 
2012-09-05 12:43:33 PM  

Dinki: As a concerned USA citizen that wants Israel, Iran and all the other middle eastern countries to live in peace and security, let me say this- Israel, go screw yourself. Iran having a nuclear weapon is no more a threat to you than Pakistan having one. The Iranians know that should they ever attack Israel with a nuke, the Israelis would wipe out every Iranian city. Iran may be a lot of things, but they aren't suicidal.


You claim they are not suicidal, but don't you remember how they fought to the last man in the Iran-Iraq War?
 
2012-09-05 12:43:48 PM  
What Jew talkin' 'bout Willis?
 
2012-09-05 12:44:35 PM  

Lunaville: The wrong done to European Jews is one of the reasons that Israel needs to exist.


Hey Palestinians, the reason you need to geddout is cuz a bunch of people you have nothing to do with were mean to us this one time.

Yep. I got nothing.


Not really sure what exactly does count as a nation's right to exist. I'm just pretty sure this particular reason is pretty damn sketchy is all.
 
2012-09-05 12:44:45 PM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: I can't go through the apocalypse in hard-bottom shoes!!



Ah, but if they're leather, you can eat them later.
 
2012-09-05 12:45:32 PM  
i like peace.
 
2012-09-05 12:45:38 PM  
The waiting is the hardest part
every day you get one more yard
you take it on faith, you take it to the heart
the waiting is the hardest part
 
2012-09-05 12:45:42 PM  

smitty04: Everyone in Israel knows a voter that lives in Florida. If you cut off money to Israel, you would need to cut off the money to Egypt and others. Under the Carter peace agreement, we agreed to pay everyone not to fight.


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Throwing money at problems - its the American Way!
 
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