Lunaville: I can hardly believe this statement is coming from me, as I've always considered myself an adamant supporter of Israel, but it may time for Obama to take a tough public stand on Israels' shenanigans.
Cythraul: Lunaville: I can hardly believe this statement is coming from me, as I've always considered myself an adamant supporter of Israel, but it may time for Obama to take a tough public stand on Israels' shenanigans.Agreed. I was listening to NPR a couple of days ago, and apparently Israel is becoming far more a political issue than it has been in the past. Many Israelis do not see this as a good thing. And why would they? If they force themselves to be a political issue, it could very well backlash against them.As far as my personal beliefs, hearing fundie Christians talk about how the U.S. needs to protect Israel because it is the site where Jesus comes back, or some other such lunacy, is all I need to make up my mind. All the added issues of the eternal Israel/Palestine war and Israel being a borderline theocracy just reinforces my opinion.
Headso: Here's part of a NY Times story from 1995...Iran is much closer to producing nuclear weapons than previously thought, and could be less than five years away from having an atomic bomb, several senior American and Israeli officials say."The date by which Iran will have nuclear weapons is no longer 10 years from now," a senior official said recently, referring to previous estimates.
Generation_D: how many neocon/jewish lobby in america has the ear of NPR enough to set an agenda with it?Or put a less strident way, how many east coast media types overthink Israeli/US relations?
Cythraul: Generation_D: how many neocon/jewish lobby in america has the ear of NPR enough to set an agenda with it?Or put a less strident way, how many east coast media types overthink Israeli/US relations?I'm not sure what you mean by these questions. How many Jewish lobbyists have the ear of NPR enough to influence it?The NPR piece I heard wasn't exactly painting the increasing importance of the U.S, Israel relations within the political campaign environment as a good thing. But then, it's sometimes hard to tell since NPR doesn't really try to promote an opinion.And I don't think any over-thinking is being done here. With the increasing tensions between the U.S./Israel and Iran, I think it's a pretty important issue that deserves some serious consideration.
what_now: Wait, Barack Obama is the president of what country?
Mentat: Guys, Obama's got this
Lunaville: Okay, I thought I'd replied to Cythraul and Generation D. If a comment about Israel turns up in a thread about a deer frolicking in an IHOP, that would be me.I guess I'll try to remember it.At risk of sounding like I think my version of Christianity is THE version of Christianity, I suspect some people who identify as fundamentalist Christians are not truly concerned about what is best for Israel. I think they want to sacrifice Israel to a war that they believe will induce the second coming of Christ.The wrong done to European Jews is one of the reasons that Israel needs to exist. In particular, I am moved by accounts of Jewish refugees, particularly Jewish children, who were denied admission to the United States during the holocaust. I find it ironic that a nation so many of our citizens like to label a "Christian" nation acted in such an un-Christian manner. (I don't approve of labeling the USA a Christian nation. I think all citizens regardless of faith or lack thereof are equally citizens and should be equally recognized.) I wonder how many of the fundamentalists that now purport to support Israel, right or wrong, would have cried out against accepting Jewish refugees when their need was greatest?I suspect that ordinary, perhaps relatively powerless, Israeli citizens are have begun to be manipulated, perhaps abused, by a right wing party that puts the desires of its' leaders above the long-term best interests of the nation and its' people as a whole.That said, I am hardly an expert on Israel. I try to understand the issues surrounding Israel as best I can while bearing in mind my own relative ignorance.
sweetmelissa31: Feeling so vulnerable, Israel needs strong assurances from its key ally, said Dore Gold, a former Israeli ambassador to the United Nations and confidant of Netanyahu."We have to hear something a lot more concrete, a lot more public from the U.S., which is the leader of free world. What is it going to do?" Gold told the Army Radio station.It's going to tell you to go f*ck yourself, Dore Gold.
Headso: "The date by which Iran will have nuclear weapons is no longer 10 years from now," a senior official said recently, referring to previous estimates.
Vodka Zombie: Can we please stop sending money to Israel and let them fight their wars alone?
Fark It: No U.S. intelligence agencies see evidence of Iran seeking nuclear weaponsfark Israel.
Snarfangel: Vodka Zombie: Can we please stop sending money to Israel and let them fight their wars alone?You would leave our fifty-first state out in the cold like that? What's next, Mississippi?
Therion: Headso: "The date by which Iran will have nuclear weapons is no longer 10 years from now," a senior official said recently, referring to previous estimates.And Iraq can unleash Weapons Of Mass Destruction that will reach the continental US in forty-five minutes!
Dinki: As a concerned USA citizen that wants Israel, Iran and all the other middle eastern countries to live in peace and security, let me say this- Israel, go screw yourself. Iran having a nuclear weapon is no more a threat to you than Pakistan having one. The Iranians know that should they ever attack Israel with a nuke, the Israelis would wipe out every Iranian city. Iran may be a lot of things, but they aren't suicidal.
Lunaville: The wrong done to European Jews is one of the reasons that Israel needs to exist.
DROxINxTHExWIND: I can't go through the apocalypse in hard-bottom shoes!!
smitty04: Everyone in Israel knows a voter that lives in Florida. If you cut off money to Israel, you would need to cut off the money to Egypt and others. Under the Carter peace agreement, we agreed to pay everyone not to fight.
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