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(Townhall)   When businesses advertise one thing and then actually sell something else, that is called "bait and switch" advertising. That is exactly what President Obama is doing with his proposed tax increases on "millionaires and billionaires"   (townhall.com) divider line 166
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2012-09-05 08:01:53 AM
The actual tax increase plans being proposed by Obama do not start with people who have an income of a million dollars a year. They start with people with incomes of $250,000 and up

That's what Obama has been saying repeated since 2008. You do realize the actual Obama isn't required to price match the Obama that only republicans can see, don't you?
 
2012-09-05 08:03:21 AM
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thanks alot presidebt oblamer
 
2012-09-05 08:10:08 AM

Karac: The actual tax increase plans being proposed by Obama do not start with people who have an income of a million dollars a year. They start with people with incomes of $250,000 and up

That's what Obama has been saying repeated since 2008. You do realize the actual Obama isn't required to price match the Obama that only republicans can see, don't you?


Pelosi put forward the $1,000,000+ idea just to see if there was any number the Republicans would accept. There isn't. But I think we knew that.
 
2012-09-05 08:19:49 AM
These kinds of stories are going to be greenlit through the whole convention, aren't they? Sigh.
 
2012-09-05 08:23:06 AM
My heart goes out to all those roughing it on 250+k a year. Obama is out to get you and deprive you of your ability to create jobs.
 
2012-09-05 08:25:42 AM
Stupid mods. It's Townhall Tuesday and WND Wednesday.

Unless this is going in under the Wingnut Wildcard slot exception in which case...

*deep sigh*

/Well, we're done in one so I thought I'd just be a dick here.
 
2012-09-05 08:29:00 AM

Karac: The actual tax increase plans being proposed by Obama do not start with people who have an income of a million dollars a year. They start with people with incomes of $250,000 and up

That's what Obama has been saying repeated since 2008. You do realize the actual Obama isn't required to price match the Obama that only republicans can see, don't you?



And of course it hardly ever gets mentioned that those making more than $250K still get to keep the tax cuts on the first $250K of taxable income just like everybody else.
 
2012-09-05 08:29:23 AM

Karac: The actual tax increase plans being proposed by Obama do not start with people who have an income of a million dollars a year. They start with people with incomes of $250,000 and up

That's what Obama has been saying repeated since 2008. You do realize the actual Obama isn't required to price match the Obama that only republicans can see, don't you?


Yes, you're right. I suppose now we're supposed to think people who make $250,000 per year are barely scraping by, poor dears, what with making a single dollar per year too much to qualify for food stamps or some such nonsense.
 
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2012-09-05 08:38:12 AM
The only difference is that it doesn't have the actual "switch" part, and the "bait" part is called sensible policy.
 
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2012-09-05 08:39:54 AM

Sybarite: Karac: The actual tax increase plans being proposed by Obama do not start with people who have an income of a million dollars a year. They start with people with incomes of $250,000 and up

That's what Obama has been saying repeated since 2008. You do realize the actual Obama isn't required to price match the Obama that only republicans can see, don't you?


And of course it hardly ever gets mentioned that those making more than $250K still get to keep the tax cuts on the first $250K of taxable income just like everybody else.


That's because at Townhall, that's hardly ever realized.
 
2012-09-05 08:56:01 AM
We have heard many times from President Barack Obama how he plans to raise taxes on "millionaires and billionaires,"...

The actual tax increase plans being proposed by Obama do not start with people who have an income of a million dollars a year. They start with people with incomes of $250,000 and up.


I'd say most people making over 250k a year are probably millionaires... I'd be curious to know what the percentage of people that make 250k a year but don't have 1MM in assets, that would be pretty embarrassing so not sure how many people you'd get to admit that though.
 
2012-09-05 09:27:21 AM
wait, did townhall just use a *fact* in an article?
 
2012-09-05 09:33:25 AM

Headso: We have heard many times from President Barack Obama how he plans to raise taxes on "millionaires and billionaires,"...

The actual tax increase plans being proposed by Obama do not start with people who have an income of a million dollars a year. They start with people with incomes of $250,000 and up.

I'd say most people making over 250k a year are probably millionaires... I'd be curious to know what the percentage of people that make 250k a year but don't have 1MM in assets, that would be pretty embarrassing so not sure how many people you'd get to admit that though.


If you make over 250k/yr and do not have 1mm in assets you should really do something about that cocaine habit.
 
2012-09-05 09:34:15 AM

Lunaville: Yes, you're right. I suppose now we're supposed to think people who make $250,000 per year are barely scraping by, poor dears, what with making a single dollar per year too much to qualify for food stamps or some such nonsense.


But people at that income spend more on private schools and the GOOD arugula and beach houses and tipping skycaps and furthermore, so CLASS WARFARE
 
2012-09-05 09:40:37 AM
You remember when folks picked up on the poor folks who ONLY make $250,000 a year? That it was hard to make ends meet? That this has been harped on for nearly 4 years?

This isn't bait and switch. It's the SAME message, and only idiots who don't pay attention or desperately want to shift attention would be thinking of this as "bait and switch." I can't help it if you haven't been paying attention, cannot read, or are just plain stupid, and neither can the President...
 
2012-09-05 09:42:15 AM
Can someone bait and switch these links into a black hole?
 
2012-09-05 09:44:54 AM
My fellow Americans, it is my sincere belief that the Freeper Mod needs a kick in the balls every time they green light a conservative blog as "balance" to facts. Fark is not Fox News, and people did not sign up for Fark just to have Fox's agenda shoved at it by multiple blog/conservative site links. A vote for me is a vote to kick freepermod in the nuts, for all the time they are doubled over in just agony is that much less time they can be putting into green lighting these asinine right wing blog links.
 
2012-09-05 10:08:13 AM

xsive: wait, did townhall just use a *fact* in an article?


I know. I'm freaked out too.
 
2012-09-05 10:19:24 AM
I thought the definition of millionaire meant your net worth was a million or more, not your annual income.
 
2012-09-05 10:25:59 AM
You mean that costly false bill of sale that was the military adventure in Iraq? The one that we originally went deep into debt for based on manufactured "evidence" and we decided wasn't worth paying for? Whose consequences to our economy and our soldiers we're still realizing and dealing with?
 
2012-09-05 10:39:14 AM
If I made $250,000 a year I would be a millionaire in 5 short years. So...I don't see where the switching begins.
 
2012-09-05 10:56:59 AM
The actual tax increase plans being proposed by Obama do not start with people who have an income of a million dollars a year. They start with people with incomes of $250,000 and up

...which, if you're paying attention, still puts a person in the 97th percentile of incomes. Nowhere, not even California, is someone who's making $250K a year "middle class". Stop lying.
 
2012-09-05 11:32:12 AM

serial_crusher: I thought the definition of millionaire meant your net worth was a million or more, not your annual income.


Well, that would make a lot of sense. A guy that has fifty million in assets decides to take a year off and makes no money. He's no longer a millionaire?
 
2012-09-05 11:48:26 AM
I see it's going to be one of those days around here...
 
2012-09-05 11:48:39 AM
So what is it when the "conservative" candidate is selling a magical snake elixir to fix the economy, but we aren't allowed to know what it is until we elect him?
 
2012-09-05 11:49:26 AM

IlGreven: The actual tax increase plans being proposed by Obama do not start with people who have an income of a million dollars a year. They start with people with incomes of $250,000 and up

...which, if you're paying attention, still puts a person in the 97th percentile of incomes. Nowhere, not even California, is someone who's making $250K a year "middle class". Stop lying.


Well, upper middle.

Porche drivers, not Bugatti drivers.
 
2012-09-05 11:50:23 AM

Generation_D: My fellow Americans, it is my sincere belief that the Freeper Mod needs a kick in the balls every time they green light a conservative blog as "balance" to facts. Fark is not Fox News, and people did not sign up for Fark just to have Fox's agenda shoved at it by multiple blog/conservative site links. A vote for me is a vote to kick freepermod in the nuts, for all the time they are doubled over in just agony is that much less time they can be putting into green lighting these asinine right wing blog links.


Got my vote
 
2012-09-05 11:50:49 AM
while I do the find the talk of millionaires and billionaires and private jets to be disingenuous, you don't have to earn $1,000,000 a year to be a millionaire, Tommy.
 
2012-09-05 11:52:49 AM
DERP AND BUTTHURT DERP AND BUTTHURT EVERYWHERE
 
2012-09-05 11:53:03 AM

sprawl15: Well, upper middle.

Porche drivers, not Bugatti drivers.


Forget Bugatti. I'd buy an Ariel Atom.
 
2012-09-05 11:55:18 AM

jaylectricity: If I made $250,000 a year I would be a millionaire in 5 short years. So...I don't see where the switching begins.


Ha.
 
2012-09-05 11:57:00 AM

skullkrusher: while I do the find the talk of millionaires and billionaires and private jets to be disingenuous, you don't have to earn $1,000,000 a year to be a millionaire, Tommy.


This. I also don't feel sorry for people who make 250,000 a year having their taxes increased.
 
2012-09-05 11:57:54 AM
Well, clearly the only rational choice will be to take my business to the shady guy who won't show me what he's selling and has cheated on his taxes for 10+ years.
 
2012-09-05 11:57:56 AM
I hate you Mod - really, can't you find something that isn't all vacuous blather? Oh right, you need to show you're bipartisan and one side only delivers the nutritional equivalent of cotton candy.
 
2012-09-05 11:58:06 AM
Yup that 3% difference in income tax is going to break the guy earning 250K per year.

Poor job creators!
 
2012-09-05 12:00:00 PM
I'll happily trade incomes and tax rates with any of those poor, put upon wealthy elites...

Something tells me they'll have a harder time coping with my current income, lifestyle and tax rates than I will coping with theirs.
 
2012-09-05 12:00:28 PM

Turbo Cojones: Yup that 3% difference in income tax is going to break the guy earning 250K per year.

Poor job creators!


Yup. The guy making exactly $250,000 will be crippled by paying a job aborting tax increase of $0.00.


Do GOP water carriers know how progressive taxation works?
 
2012-09-05 12:02:12 PM
Well, I'm out. That was the camel-breaking straw. I'll be back for football tonight.
 
2012-09-05 12:05:35 PM

IlGreven: ...which, if you're paying attention, still puts a person in the 97th percentile of incomes. Nowhere, not even California, is someone who's making $250K a year "middle class". Stop lying.


It can be Upper Middle depending on location. My wife and I combine for a pretty healthy family salary. It's not anywhere near $250k, but it's an amount of money where if I made it in Racine, WI I would be rich as shiat. Since I make it in the DC Metro Area, it's a good amount (we're not struggling by any stretch), but it's not that much when you consider how absurdly priced housing and the like is in the area. Everything just costs more, COL is the great equalizer in a lot of this. I drive an Altima and live in a townhouse. It doesn't get more "Middle Class" than that.

But it further illustrates how the whole notion of "middle class" is specious at best and any discussion around absolute salaries and what constitutes a "middle class" is meaningless.

That said, it's almost immaterial to the discussion of whether the tax cuts should be extended to taxable income earned over $250k. I don't think they should. I'm fine with rolling back those tax cuts. The vast majority of earners will be unaffected, 98% of "Small Businesses" (S-Corps) would be unaffected, and even earners just over the $250k mark would be minimally affected at the most. I think the most productive thing we can do is to discuss taxation in the proper context - income, not people are taxed. President Obama isn't proposing we "Raise taxes on people making over $250k" - he's proposing we raise taxes on earned income over $250k, there's a huge difference. WE all pay the same amount of taxes on the same amount of money (well, it's all taxed at the same rate, but you know what I mean). Mitt Romney and the Guy who just made my Son of Baconator for Lunch both are taxed at the same rate for their first $7500 earned. The only difference is that Mitt earned that while I was typing this and the Wendy's employee might make that by Christmas.
 
2012-09-05 12:05:52 PM

quatchi: Stupid mods. It's Townhall Tuesday and WND Wednesday.

Unless this is going in under the Wingnut Wildcard slot exception in which case...

*deep sigh*

/Well, we're done in one so I thought I'd just be a dick here.


Short week because of Labor Day. Gotta squeeze the derp in somehow.
 
2012-09-05 12:08:29 PM
Done in one I see.

He's said 250,000 from the beginning.

Republicans are obfuscating that by saying "100% tax won't instantly solve our problems", and making it sound like Obama is proposing a 100% tax.
 
2012-09-05 12:09:34 PM

Citrate1007: So what is it when the "conservative" candidate is selling a magical snake elixir to fix the economy, but we aren't allowed to know what it is until we elect him?


And its a much better plan that 0Bammy's Hope and change! You libs don't understand that, just like trickle down, Jesus and the Loch Ness Monster, they will only work if you Believe.
 
2012-09-05 12:11:21 PM

Lunaville: Karac: The actual tax increase plans being proposed by Obama do not start with people who have an income of a million dollars a year. They start with people with incomes of $250,000 and up

That's what Obama has been saying repeated since 2008. You do realize the actual Obama isn't required to price match the Obama that only republicans can see, don't you?

Yes, you're right. I suppose now we're supposed to think people who make $250,000 per year are barely scraping by, poor dears, what with making a single dollar per year too much to qualify for food stamps or some such nonsense.


Constituent: But a hundred and seventy-four thousand, that's three times - that's three of my family's - three times what I make.

Duffy: Well our budget...I moved to cut by 5 percent. I did. You know what, I have no problem..let's have a movement afoot. I walked into this job 6 weeks ago..um that I worked incredibly hard for. And I can guarantee you or most of you, I guarantee that I have more debt than all of you.

With 6 kids, I still pay off my student loans. I still pay my mortgage. I drive a used minivan. If you think I'm living high off the hog, I've got one paycheck. So I..I struggle to meet my bills right now. Would it be easier for me if I get more paychecks? Maybe, but at this point I'm not living high off the hog.
 
2012-09-05 12:11:22 PM
"YOU, Mr. NASCAR! YOU, Johnny Sixpack! YOU, cranky old man in the Hoveround! He wants to raise taxes on...YOU! So that he can give YOUR money to...YOU KNOW! YOU KNOW! YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE!"
 
2012-09-05 12:11:23 PM

Jackson Herring: [blog.zap2it.com image 300x300]

thanks alot presidebt oblamer


This is correct. You should all be thanking an alot for all the things they have done to help us.

/I know that you were channeling Eastwood.
 
2012-09-05 12:13:12 PM
Well, he's following someone's footsteps

Read My Lips
 
2012-09-05 12:15:53 PM

Turbo Cojones: Yup that 3% difference in income tax is going to break the guy earning 250K per year.

Poor job creators!


Yeah, people seem to think that taxes are going to jump massively.

A person that had $350k in taxable income (after removing all the deductions for things like the McMansion and private school tuition) would pay a whopping $3k more per year. That's it - $3,000, 3% higher tax on income over $250k.

For me, I'm a millionaire but I don't come close to $250k taxable per year.

However, I have friends and peers that DO make over $250k and probably aren't millionaires because they blow their money on cars and other useless crap that depreciates.
 
2012-09-05 12:16:35 PM
Does anybody else think maybe the Romney campaign is paying people to put these kinds of stories around the net? I have been lucking here for years and never seen this level of derp before. I really wish fark would stop green lighting this stuff though (especially the american thinker) because most people here love Obama and it might just make people not come here anymore until the election is over. If anybody thinks we're going to switch sides to RomneyBot over derp it's really not going to happen. Go make a pizza or something with your time that you're wasting.
 
2012-09-05 12:16:46 PM
Remember: Raising the taxes on the richest who have 95 percent of the countries money won't fix everything immediately, so we may as well not do it. But poor people who only have a small fraction of the nation's money? Raising taxes on them will solve EVERYTHING. Skin, game, etc.
 
2012-09-05 12:16:54 PM
Making $250k a year doesn't make you rich or a millionaire. It means you are solidly top 5% middle-class. It means a couple of vacations, a reasonable house, college for the kids, a sensible new car every five or so years and solid retirement.

That said, let the tax nuts expire. You want to complain about the deficit, let's do something about it.
 
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