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(CNN)   Vegas math: 4.5M jobs created. Real math: Net gain of only 300k   (cnn.com) divider line 50
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2012-09-05 07:08:29 AM
Ahh, so he's using Ryan math!
 
Heb
2012-09-05 07:08:40 AM
Seems a bit of a rubbish fact-check which misses the point. Surely the point is that there have been £4.5million new jobs since the recovery took hold? Wish we had your kind of private sector growth here in the UK, but unfortunately we have a conservative government that went with the utterly failed "austerity" option. The magic job fairies have not arrived, and we are now all ruing the lack of a stimulus that would have boosted our economy.

You are damn lucky to have Obama, and utter utter fools if you vote for Romney's economic discredited madness.
 
2012-09-05 07:12:04 AM
Wasn't '4.5 million jobs created' only half of the line? Followed immediately by 'over the last 29 months'? Progress is progress.
 
2012-09-05 07:12:10 AM

Heb: Seems a bit of a rubbish fact-check which misses the point. Surely the point is that there have been £4.5million new jobs since the recovery took hold? Wish we had your kind of private sector growth here in the UK, but unfortunately we have a conservative government that went with the utterly failed "austerity" option. The magic job fairies have not arrived, and we are now all ruing the lack of a stimulus that would have boosted our economy.

You are damn lucky to have Obama, and utter utter fools if you vote for Romney's economic discredited madness.


Just in case you haven't noticed, Obama has been an utter failure over here. How about you elect him to Queen of England or some such and we'll happily ship him over to you in late January when we're done with him.
 
2012-09-05 07:13:31 AM
Article summary: it was true, but we have to find a lie because we found some that the GOP told. See GOP, we are fair.
 
2012-09-05 07:14:20 AM
So all jobs lost on Day 1 of Obama's presidency is his fault?

FTFA:
"it's only a net gain of 300,000 over the course of the Obama administration to date"

Also FTFA:
"But overall, there are still fewer people working now than when Obama took office at the height of the recession"

CNN went from 4.5 million to 300,000 gain to fewer people working. It's too early in the morning for this.
 
2012-09-05 07:17:38 AM

shotglasss: Heb: Seems a bit of a rubbish fact-check which misses the point. Surely the point is that there have been £4.5million new jobs since the recovery took hold? Wish we had your kind of private sector growth here in the UK, but unfortunately we have a conservative government that went with the utterly failed "austerity" option. The magic job fairies have not arrived, and we are now all ruing the lack of a stimulus that would have boosted our economy.

You are damn lucky to have Obama, and utter utter fools if you vote for Romney's economic discredited madness.

Just in case you haven't noticed, Obama has been an utter failure over here. How about you elect him to Queen of England or some such and we'll happily ship him over to you in late January when we're done with him.


Careful, he'd be more popular in the Queen's gitup.
 
2012-09-05 07:19:35 AM
wow, nice of CNN to go into aggressive to the point of dishonesty fact-checking mode just right after the RNC finished and just in time to catch the DNC. Amazing how that happens. damned liberal media eh?
 
Heb
2012-09-05 07:21:14 AM

shotglasss: Heb: Seems a bit of a rubbish fact-check which misses the point. Surely the point is that there have been £4.5million new jobs since the recovery took hold? Wish we had your kind of private sector growth here in the UK, but unfortunately we have a conservative government that went with the utterly failed "austerity" option. The magic job fairies have not arrived, and we are now all ruing the lack of a stimulus that would have boosted our economy.

You are damn lucky to have Obama, and utter utter fools if you vote for Romney's economic discredited madness.

Just in case you haven't noticed, Obama has been an utter failure over here. How about you elect him to Queen of England or some such and we'll happily ship him over to you in late January when we're done with him.


Yes. An utter failure. Stabilised your economy during a world-wide economic crisis, delivered steady private sector growth and rescued your car industry. We, and much of the rest of the world, would kill for that kind of failure.

Still, far more important than that is his secret plan to collude with the UN to take your guns, or whatever the batshiat crazy talking point you lot have today. Honestly, it really is (as Romney suggests) about the economy. The difference is, Romney wants to go back to utterly discredited failed policies that caused all this mess. You would have to be an utter utter utter utter idiot to vote for him, but worryingly you seem to have a fair few of them.
 
2012-09-05 07:24:09 AM

Heb: shotglasss: Heb: Seems a bit of a rubbish fact-check which misses the point. Surely the point is that there have been £4.5million new jobs since the recovery took hold? Wish we had your kind of private sector growth here in the UK, but unfortunately we have a conservative government that went with the utterly failed "austerity" option. The magic job fairies have not arrived, and we are now all ruing the lack of a stimulus that would have boosted our economy.

You are damn lucky to have Obama, and utter utter fools if you vote for Romney's economic discredited madness.

Just in case you haven't noticed, Obama has been an utter failure over here. How about you elect him to Queen of England or some such and we'll happily ship him over to you in late January when we're done with him.

Yes. An utter failure. Stabilised your economy during a world-wide economic crisis, delivered steady private sector growth and rescued your car industry. We, and much of the rest of the world, would kill for that kind of failure.

Still, far more important than that is his secret plan to collude with the UN to take your guns, or whatever the batshiat crazy talking point you lot have today. Honestly, it really is (as Romney suggests) about the economy. The difference is, Romney wants to go back to utterly discredited failed policies that caused all this mess. You would have to be an utter utter utter utter idiot to vote for him, but worryingly you seem to have a fair few of them.


To be fair, you let them emigrate from the UK.
 
2012-09-05 07:24:29 AM
Hey, it's truthesque!
 
2012-09-05 07:24:43 AM

shotglasss: Heb: Seems a bit of a rubbish fact-check which misses the point. Surely the point is that there have been £4.5million new jobs since the recovery took hold? Wish we had your kind of private sector growth here in the UK, but unfortunately we have a conservative government that went with the utterly failed "austerity" option. The magic job fairies have not arrived, and we are now all ruing the lack of a stimulus that would have boosted our economy.

You are damn lucky to have Obama, and utter utter fools if you vote for Romney's economic discredited madness.

Just in case you haven't noticed, Obama has been an utter failure over here. How about you elect him to Queen of England or some such and we'll happily ship him over to you in late January when we're done with him.


You need to recalibrate what 'utter failure' is. Presiding over the greatest economic collapse in just shy of a century is utter failure - which happened about 6 months before Obama was inaugurated and a year before the first budget he presided over.

The economic policies that led to that once in a century collapse were stewarded by no only a republican, but a group of individuals Romney has tapped to advise him.

That, I think, also qualifies for 'utter failure' status - far beyond the high-ish unemployment we face now that has a lot to do with biased tax incentives against hiring and austerity in public hiring.
 
2012-09-05 07:27:46 AM

shotglasss: Heb: Seems a bit of a rubbish fact-check which misses the point. Surely the point is that there have been £4.5million new jobs since the recovery took hold? Wish we had your kind of private sector growth here in the UK, but unfortunately we have a conservative government that went with the utterly failed "austerity" option. The magic job fairies have not arrived, and we are now all ruing the lack of a stimulus that would have boosted our economy.

You are damn lucky to have Obama, and utter utter fools if you vote for Romney's economic discredited madness.

Just in case you haven't noticed, Obama has been an utter failure over here is black. How about you elect him to Queen of England or some such and we'll happily ship him over to you in late January when we're done with him.


Let's inject some honesty.
 
2012-09-05 07:28:11 AM

Heb: Seems a bit of a rubbish fact-check which misses the point. Surely the point is that there have been £4.5million new jobs since the recovery took hold? Wish we had your kind of private sector growth here in the UK, but unfortunately we have a conservative government that went with the utterly failed "austerity" option. The magic job fairies have not arrived, and we are now all ruing the lack of a stimulus that would have boosted our economy.

You are damn lucky to have Obama, and utter utter fools if you vote for Romney's economic discredited madness.


Especially given that when he took over, the general consensus was that the sky is falling, capitalism was permanently discredited, and at any point the entire world economy was going to fall apart. So in four years he has gone from the verge of total economic description to people complaining that economic growth is too weak, so therefore we should consider voting for the "complete world economic destruction" party again.
 
2012-09-05 07:33:23 AM

Deneb81: shotglasss: Heb: Seems a bit of a rubbish fact-check which misses the point. Surely the point is that there have been £4.5million new jobs since the recovery took hold? Wish we had your kind of private sector growth here in the UK, but unfortunately we have a conservative government that went with the utterly failed "austerity" option. The magic job fairies have not arrived, and we are now all ruing the lack of a stimulus that would have boosted our economy.

You are damn lucky to have Obama, and utter utter fools if you vote for Romney's economic discredited madness.

Just in case you haven't noticed, Obama has been an utter failure over here. How about you elect him to Queen of England or some such and we'll happily ship him over to you in late January when we're done with him.

You need to recalibrate what 'utter failure' is. Presiding over the greatest economic collapse in just shy of a century is utter failure - which happened about 6 months before Obama was inaugurated and a year before the first budget he presided over.

The economic policies that led to that once in a century collapse were stewarded by no only a republican, but a group of individuals Romney has tapped to advise him.

That, I think, also qualifies for 'utter failure' status - far beyond the high-ish unemployment we face now that has a lot to do with biased tax incentives against hiring and austerity in public hiring.


Romney is prepared to fail even before he's elected. Why else would he pick the advisors he has, knowing they're ideas and policies have already nearly sunk the economy? I'm sure there's at least one or two conservatives out there in the Republican machine that haven't been party to the biggest failure in nearly 100 years.
 
2012-09-05 07:48:52 AM

shotglasss: Heb: Seems a bit of a rubbish fact-check which misses the point. Surely the point is that there have been £4.5million new jobs since the recovery took hold? Wish we had your kind of private sector growth here in the UK, but unfortunately we have a conservative government that went with the utterly failed "austerity" option. The magic job fairies have not arrived, and we are now all ruing the lack of a stimulus that would have boosted our economy.

You are damn lucky to have Obama, and utter utter fools if you vote for Romney's economic discredited madness.

Just in case you haven't noticed, Obama has been an utter failure over here. How about you elect him to Queen of England or some such and we'll happily ship him over to you in late January when we're done with him.


If stupid was rape this post would be a Penn State locker room.
 
2012-09-05 07:52:13 AM
So it could have been a net loss of 4.8 billion jobs without the job creation?
 
2012-09-05 07:52:54 AM

LarryDan43: So it could have been a net loss of 4.8 billion jobs without the job creation?


Million, billion whatever.
 
2012-09-05 07:53:48 AM

Tigger: shotglasss: Heb: Seems a bit of a rubbish fact-check which misses the point. Surely the point is that there have been £4.5million new jobs since the recovery took hold? Wish we had your kind of private sector growth here in the UK, but unfortunately we have a conservative government that went with the utterly failed "austerity" option. The magic job fairies have not arrived, and we are now all ruing the lack of a stimulus that would have boosted our economy.

You are damn lucky to have Obama, and utter utter fools if you vote for Romney's economic discredited madness.

Just in case you haven't noticed, Obama has been an utter failure over here. How about you elect him to Queen of England or some such and we'll happily ship him over to you in late January when we're done with him.

If stupid was rape this post would be a Penn State locker room.


If stupid were Gravity, this post would make reality collapse in on itself.
 
2012-09-05 07:56:34 AM
I meant shotglassses, not yours tigger
 
2012-09-05 08:00:29 AM
I'm sure this will get posted later with a funny headline, but it's worth mentioning here (FactCheck.org)....

Democratic Disinformation from Charlotte
 
MFK
2012-09-05 08:00:48 AM
CNN's coverage was really... weird last night. It was almost like they were trying too hard not to be seen as "librul" but came off more as a bad parody of Fox News. When one interviewee was talking about the importance of education and how the two candidates differ in this regard, the news blonde interrupted and said, "well the most important thing is the economy so how about that?" The questions their reporters asked were leading to the point of making the statement themselves. I finally broke down and flipped to MSNBC where Maddow and Hayes were doing actual policy wonk stuff and as long as Matthews didn't talk it was actually really good.
 
2012-09-05 08:02:10 AM

Smoking GNU: I meant shotglassses, not yours tigger


Appreciate the clarification.

My post was not stupid. It was merely a horrifically insensitive trivialisation of evil sex crimes.
 
2012-09-05 08:04:55 AM
Vegas math is then just like real math? Gross and net are both real things, you know. Of course, we could just elect another Republican and have both a gross and net loss in jobs again.
 
2012-09-05 08:12:00 AM
Subby, are you blaming Bush?
 
2012-09-05 08:20:42 AM
If CNN would do their fact checking on a big touch screen, while a ceiling cam follows Anderson racing down the hallway, maybe I'd find them credible.

Or maybe if they had some walrus-mustached alligator bounty hunters. Or a shrieking harpy filling an hour of primetime with creepy poutrage murder trial porn.
 
2012-09-05 08:27:17 AM
ah, yes, "balance." republicans lie up a storm in tampa, so CNN has to twist itself into pretzels trying to prove the dems did the same thing.
 
2012-09-05 08:37:53 AM
Oh, brother. When he took office, the economy was hemorrhaging jobs. CNN is counting that against Obama, too? For the Bush Administration's economic collapse?
 
2012-09-05 08:43:15 AM
This gem from the factcheck.org site is rich:
"The keynote speaker, San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, also said there have been 4.5 million "new jobs" under Obama. The fact is the economy has regained only 4 million of the 4.3 million jobs lost since Obama took office."

You go ahead and play that on a big scary ad. "The economy only regained 4,000,000 of the 4,300,000 jobs lost since he took office during the largest economic crisis in 50 years."

/I'm pretty sure the issue here is in determining which metrics to use to determine these figures, and that they are all equally true.
 
2012-09-05 08:50:36 AM
Take the second derivative.
 
2012-09-05 08:50:48 AM

Heb: shotglasss: Heb: Seems a bit of a rubbish fact-check which misses the point. Surely the point is that there have been £4.5million new jobs since the recovery took hold? Wish we had your kind of private sector growth here in the UK, but unfortunately we have a conservative government that went with the utterly failed "austerity" option. The magic job fairies have not arrived, and we are now all ruing the lack of a stimulus that would have boosted our economy.

You are damn lucky to have Obama, and utter utter fools if you vote for Romney's economic discredited madness.

Just in case you haven't noticed, Obama has been an utter failure over here. How about you elect him to Queen of England or some such and we'll happily ship him over to you in late January when we're done with him.

Yes. An utter failure. Stabilised your economy during a world-wide economic crisis, delivered steady private sector growth and rescued your car industry. We, and much of the rest of the world, would kill for that kind of failure.

Still, far more important than that is his secret plan to collude with the UN to take your guns, or whatever the batshiat crazy talking point you lot have today. Honestly, it really is (as Romney suggests) about the economy. The difference is, Romney wants to go back to utterly discredited failed policies that caused all this mess. You would have to be an utter utter utter utter idiot to vote for him, but worryingly you seem to have a fair few of them.


Damn straight. Thanks for the perspective.
 
2012-09-05 08:52:02 AM

RexTalionis: Oh, brother. When he took office, the economy was hemorrhaging jobs. CNN is counting that against Obama, too? For the Bush Administration's economic collapse?


Gotta do whatever it takes to make this sonofabiatch look like a horse race.
 
2012-09-05 08:55:44 AM
Real Math: We almost went into a 2nd great depression, and have since had a do nothing congress.
 
2012-09-05 08:57:24 AM

MFK: CNN's coverage was really... weird last night. It was almost like they were trying too hard not to be seen as "librul" but came off more as a bad parody of Fox News. When one interviewee was talking about the importance of education and how the two candidates differ in this regard, the news blonde interrupted and said, "well the most important thing is the economy so how about that?" The questions their reporters asked were leading to the point of making the statement themselves. I finally broke down and flipped to MSNBC where Maddow and Hayes were doing actual policy wonk stuff and as long as Matthews didn't talk it was actually really good.


Piers Morgan had the harpy from Townhall. Come on, man. The first thing out of her mouth was that the Democrats had no business waging the war on women when Ted Kennedy let one die in his car. Stay classy, CNN.
 
2012-09-05 09:01:51 AM

Heb: shotglasss: Heb: Seems a bit of a rubbish fact-check which misses the point. Surely the point is that there have been £4.5million new jobs since the recovery took hold? Wish we had your kind of private sector growth here in the UK, but unfortunately we have a conservative government that went with the utterly failed "austerity" option. The magic job fairies have not arrived, and we are now all ruing the lack of a stimulus that would have boosted our economy.

You are damn lucky to have Obama, and utter utter fools if you vote for Romney's economic discredited madness.

Just in case you haven't noticed, Obama has been an utter failure over here. How about you elect him to Queen of England or some such and we'll happily ship him over to you in late January when we're done with him.

Yes. An utter failure. Stabilised your economy during a world-wide economic crisis, delivered steady private sector growth and rescued your car industry. We, and much of the rest of the world, would kill for that kind of failure.

Still, far more important than that is his secret plan to collude with the UN to take your guns, or whatever the batshiat crazy talking point you lot have today. Honestly, it really is (as Romney suggests) about the economy. The difference is, Romney wants to go back to utterly discredited failed policies that caused all this mess. You would have to be an utter utter utter utter idiot to vote for him, but worryingly you seem to have a fair few of them.


Yeah, but you're a brit. What do the brits, who are still enslaved under a tyrannical monarchy, know about freedom?


\Sometimes it's good to be reminded just how nuts we look from outside.
 
P0e
2012-09-05 09:13:41 AM
thepoliticalcarnival.net 
Obama was handed an economy that was a gigantic pile of shiat. He and his policies have turned it into an OK economy. There is still more work to do. If he had started at any other point than -800k jobs/month, and had made as much progress as he had, he'd be running unopposed. It took George Bush 8 years to destroy this country's economy. Obama's gotten it back to positive in just over 3.

There is still more work to be done, and there are significant differences between the democrats and the republicans in the ideas on what needs to be done. The republicans want to implement many of the supply-side, trickle-down policies that do not work, and lead to the risky behavior that caused the crash in the first place. The democratic policies implemented by the President and the congress (when the republicans didn't hold a 41+ seat majority) helped. Once the republicans got 41 though, they have stood in the way. The economy is not where it is because of the republicans, the economy is where it is in spite of the republicans.
 
2012-09-05 09:59:48 AM
Maths is hard. Trust Obammy when he says you all have jobs now, even when you don't.
 
2012-09-05 10:04:34 AM

BeesNuts: This gem from the factcheck.org site is rich:
"The keynote speaker, San Antonio Mayor Julian Castro, also said there have been 4.5 million "new jobs" under Obama. The fact is the economy has regained only 4 million of the 4.3 million jobs lost since Obama took office."

You go ahead and play that on a big scary ad. "The economy only regained 4,000,000 of the 4,300,000 jobs lost since he took office during the largest economic crisis in 50 years."

/I'm pretty sure the issue here is in determining which metrics to use to determine these figures, and that they are all equally true.


With this subtle fact check NPR is arguing that Obama's recovery was amazing but not super amazing.
 
2012-09-05 10:05:26 AM
Subby, close, but wrong.

FTA: "But overall, there are still fewer people working now than when Obama took office at the height of the recession."

Recession ended in June 2009.
 
2012-09-05 10:11:12 AM

finaboy: I'm sure this will get posted later with a funny headline, but it's worth mentioning here (FactCheck.org)....

Democratic Disinformation from Charlotte


Pretty farking weak sauce in the fact checking department. Example:

A Democratic governor said Romney "left his state 47th out of 50 in job growth." Actually, Massachusetts went from 50th in job creation during Romney's first year to 28th in his final year.

First year he was 50th and the last year he was 28th. Unless you care going to calculate the whole period, why bother saying "47th" is wrong. His average had to be somewhere between 50th and 28th. Maybe he was 43rd. Who the fark knows but this is not a fact check. The point is that Romney sucked in job growth. How bad he sucked is debatable.
 
2012-09-05 10:11:30 AM
Keep running with this talking point conservatives, it only helps remind everyone the enormous steaming pile of shiat Obama had to clean up when he came into office.
 
2012-09-05 10:16:06 AM

tenpoundsofcheese: Subby, close, but wrong.

FTA: "But overall, there are still fewer people working now than when Obama took office at the height of the recession."

Recession ended in June 2009.


The Bush recession ended in June 2009 (I'll take your word for it) and Obama passed his first budget in October 2009 when the U3 was a 10%. Three years later the U3 is at 8.3% which is a 1.7% drop. Twice the drop Reagan accomplished in the same budgets/period.
 
2012-09-05 10:23:45 AM
Here in Wisconsin we call those Walkerjobs. That's where two people lose their family supporting jobs, and one low paying job with no healthcare is created. Unemployment is up, but Walker goes on and talks about all the jobs "he created". That's a Walkerjob.
 
2012-09-05 10:34:45 AM

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Maths is hard. Trust Obammy when he says you all have jobs now, even when you don't.


i never understood the "obammy" thing you people use. is it supposed to sound like "mammy" or something? do you envision obama with giant lips, eating a watermelon when you type it?

i mean, "obummer," I get: obama + bummer = obummer! even 0bama and nobama. but "obammy?"
 
2012-09-05 11:00:23 AM

KarmicDisaster: Here in Wisconsin we call those Walkerjobs. That's where two people lose their family supporting jobs, and one low paying job with no healthcare is created. Unemployment is up, but Walker goes on and talks about all the jobs "he created". That's a Walkerjob.


It is most certainly an Al Jolsen reference.

i.telegraph.co.uk
 
2012-09-05 11:00:54 AM
Are you really going to blame job losses that occurred in the first months of 2009, before Obama's stimulus went into effect, on Obama? Really?

There really isn't anything that misleading int he 4.5 million jobs claim if they are starting the count from when his policies could actually go into effect. It's actually MORE misleading to think shiat that happens on his first and second day in office in the economy is in anyway his fault.
 
2012-09-05 11:02:43 AM
It's funny/sad how much CNN has to stretch to get to the same level of mendacity of the RNC. All because they're afraid that Republicans will call them biased. No wonder nobody watches them anymore.
 
2012-09-05 11:20:18 AM

Bill Frist: Are you really going to blame job losses that occurred in the first months of 2009, before Obama's stimulus went into effect, on Obama? Really?

There really isn't anything that misleading int he 4.5 million jobs claim if they are starting the count from when his policies could actually go into effect. It's actually MORE misleading to think shiat that happens on his first and second day in office in the economy is in anyway his fault.


I've frequently suggested that a fair way of approaching this was at least going by budgets. Obama's first budget was passed in October 2009. The U3 was at 10%. Arguably the impact of the Bush economic collapse is still being felt today but at is fair to judge Obama on the strength of his recovery but not before he even passed a budget.

Unemployment has effectively dropped from 10% to 8.3% under his policies despite GOP obstructionism.
 
2012-09-05 11:29:42 AM
Let's see if I have this right:

Obama jumped into the locomotive of a train running down a cliff at full speed - backwards.

Then, not only does Obama get the train stopped, he gets the train moving back UP the cliff, to the point where we are now on level ground and moving forward with increasing momentum.

And that's the criticism? That Obama had to pull the train back up the cliff before we could move forward as a country?

In comparison, the jobs lost under the Hoover administration (-6.4 million) were not regained during the Roosevelt's first term (+5.5 million). That gain consisted mostly of alphabet soup jobs - WPA and the like, which were reduced or eliminated as we transitioned into a wartime industrial footing (many military jobs, plus "private" manufacturing jobs that were 100% government-subsidized). It wasn't until the late 40s and early 50s that unsubsidized private sector job growth approached pre-Depression levels.

In sum, Obama has done in three years what took Roosevelt and Truman 16 years to accomplish. Truly, Obama is history's greatest monster.
 
2012-09-05 12:21:47 PM

HMS_Blinkin: RexTalionis: Oh, brother. When he took office, the economy was hemorrhaging jobs. CNN is counting that against Obama, too? For the Bush Administration's economic collapse?

Gotta do whatever it takes to make this sonofabiatch look like a horse race.




So... Much... ^^^THIS^^^


The problem, of course, is the "hurr derr" electorate that only listens to soundbites will buy into the "belief" that Obama has failed and could potentially make a "close" election a steal for RMoney and Co.

It's quite obvious, though, that the LIBURAL LAME-STREAM MEDIA really only cares about ratings instead of either candidate. If it's a landslide in August, no one is going to watch between September and November.
 
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