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2012-09-05 07:38:57 AM
Greaaaat
 
2012-09-05 07:52:42 AM
It took long enough for the tobacco industry scientists to come up with this.
 
2012-09-05 07:56:27 AM
1) Who the fark uses an e-cigarette for ten minutes?
2) What was the control?
 
2012-09-05 08:13:02 AM

Tigger: 2) What was the control?


4.bp.blogspot.com

Now breathe deeply!
 
2012-09-05 08:17:14 AM
All I know is that they don't have anywhere near all the carcinogen shiat they put in regular cigs and the second hand smoke is harmless vapor. So better for me. They have to be cheaper in the long run too.
 
2012-09-05 08:41:07 AM

Mugato: All I know is that they don't have anywhere near all the carcinogen shiat they put in regular cigs and the second hand smoke is harmless vapor. So better for me. They have to be cheaper in the long run too.


They are way cheaper. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone who doesn't already smoke. Breathing clean(ish) air is certainly preferable. But I have been using an e-cig for over 18 months. In that time, I've not had a single cigarette. I smell better. I breathe more easily. I don't get sick as much. And I've saved a shiat-ton of money.

So even if they were just as unhealthy as cigarettes (which nobody seems to be claiming), I'd still say I'm better off.
 
2012-09-05 09:02:07 AM

skinnycatullus: They are way cheaper. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone who doesn't already smoke. Breathing clean(ish) air is certainly preferable. But I have been using an e-cig for over 18 months. In that time, I've not had a single cigarette. I smell better. I breathe more easily. I don't get sick as much. And I've saved a shiat-ton of money.


Congrats, I understand kicking smoking is a biatch. These things will probably save a lot of lives.

I'm surprised Big Tobacco is allowing this. I can picture a montage of everyone having to do with e-cigs getting whacked, Godfather (or more recently, Breaking Bad)-style.
 
2012-09-05 09:53:20 AM
i103.photobucket.com

Electro gonorrhea, the noisy killer!
 
2012-09-05 09:53:43 AM

Mugato: skinnycatullus: They are way cheaper. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone who doesn't already smoke. Breathing clean(ish) air is certainly preferable. But I have been using an e-cig for over 18 months. In that time, I've not had a single cigarette. I smell better. I breathe more easily. I don't get sick as much. And I've saved a shiat-ton of money.

Congrats, I understand kicking smoking is a biatch. These things will probably save a lot of lives.

I'm surprised Big Tobacco is allowing this. I can picture a montage of everyone having to do with e-cigs getting whacked, Godfather (or more recently, Breaking Bad)-style.


FTFA: Makers of the battery-powered devices include Lorillard Inc. (LO), a Greensboro, North Carolina-based producer of standard cigarettes, which acquired Blu Ecigs for $135 million in April.

Lorillard produces Newports I believe. If a smaller tobacco company like them is buying in I bet the others already have their stake.
 
2012-09-05 09:55:43 AM

skinnycatullus: But I have been using an e-cig for over 18 months. In that time, I've not had a single cigarette. I smell better. I breathe more easily. I don't get sick as much. And I've saved a shiat-ton of money.

So even if they were just as unhealthy as cigarettes (which nobody seems to be claiming), I'd still say I'm better off.


Within 12 months of switching from cigarettes to the ecig I was able to pretty much quit smoking. I still have the urge to smoke (stress) but I've had 6 cigarettes in the past 8 months and I've stopped using the ecig all together. My wife was able to completely quit. I'd recommend them to anyone looking to quit.
 
2012-09-05 09:58:29 AM
Wife switched to them after a lifetime of smoking and never finding anything that worked to stop.

It's been over a year and she has no interest to go back to regular cigarettes. For her it was more the habit than the nicotine.

Her recent physical: her lungs have never been clearer.

I highly recommend them to anyone that wants to quit cigarettes.
 
2012-09-05 09:59:51 AM
Well duh. Nicotine is still a poison. It's all a matter of degrees when you're trying to quit.
 
2012-09-05 10:02:10 AM
I use a ProVari e-cig and run 3 miles four-ish times a week. There's no way that I could do that, certainly at my age, if I still smoked.
 
2012-09-05 10:06:21 AM
So you're saying that breathing water vapor into my lungs makes it harder to breathe?
no way!

/knock me over with a feather....
 
2012-09-05 10:14:37 AM
Whatever, I'm going to pick up a few cigars tonight.
 
2012-09-05 10:15:38 AM
E cigs let me quit from 20 a day to nothing overnight.
Sure, I get through an equivalent amount of nicotine a day. But hey, I don't get all the other shiat, and it costs me about 1/5 of the price of analogues.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out they were worse for me than nothing at all. But they are a hell of a lot better for me - health-wise, social-wise, money-wise - than what I used to put into my body.
 
2012-09-05 10:19:41 AM

Tigger: 1) Who the fark uses an e-cigarette for ten minutes?
2) What was the control?


That's what I was wondering. The experiment, from what I understand in the article, was basically them handing e-cigs to people who had never smoked and watched how much they coughed. Then handed them to smokers and did the same.

But the thing is, it takes a little bit to get used to smoking an e-cig. The vapor is heavier than regular smoke, so it takes a little bit to adjust yourself. How big of a hit you're taking, how long you drag, etc. I can't accept this study as credible when it doesn't hold up to real world conditions.
 
2012-09-05 10:33:06 AM

VonEvilstein: E cigs let me quit from 20 a day to nothing overnight.
Sure, I get through an equivalent amount of nicotine a day. But hey, I don't get all the other shiat, and it costs me about 1/5 of the price of analogues.

I wouldn't be surprised to find out they were worse for me than nothing at all. But they are a hell of a lot better for me - health-wise, social-wise, money-wise - than what I used to put into my body.


Ditto.
I don't believe for a second that my e cigs aren't potentially harmful, but they are a helluva lot less bad than regular cigs.

They aren't for quitting, they just provide an alternative that is less harmful to everyone than cigarettes.
 
2012-09-05 10:36:44 AM
there is more nicotine in a 4oz serving of eggplant than most packs of cigarettes.
 
2012-09-05 10:41:40 AM

Mugato: It took long enough for the tobacco industry scientists scienticians to come up with this.


FTFY.

www.vh1.com
 
2012-09-05 10:41:58 AM

soakitincider: there is more nicotine in a 4oz serving of eggplant than most packs of cigarettes.


Yeah, I thought I understood that it really isn't the nicotine that's the major problem with cigarettes. It's the hundreds of carcinogens that they add to it. Oh and that you're breathing smoke directly into your lungs.
 
2012-09-05 10:46:16 AM
I haven't had a cigarette for over three years now since I started using an ecig. And I don't miss them one bit. That said, I am still very addicted to nicotine. I even suspect that I'm more addicted than I was when I smoked analogs. One time I was overseas and I ran out of e-juice. That was one harrowing week I'll tell ya. I was not a pleasant person to be around.
 
2012-09-05 10:57:38 AM
Was the test on PG or VG? What was the water content? Did it have Alcohol added? Ethyl Maltol? Citrus? What about the flavoring?

The 100 percent PG stuff is harsh. I don't see how people can stand that. It tastes like black pepper and stings like mace. VG with low flavor/high water percentage on the other hand is more like taking a hot shower and inhaling the steam.

Just so you know its not pure water vapor. Only a small percentage is water. You know how hand moisturizers have that thick gel feel to them? Yeah, well the main ingredient that you inhale is the same ingredient you use moisturizer your hands with.
 
2012-09-05 10:58:00 AM
so is this the same as the vaporizers that folks use (so i'm told) for herbs instead of bong hits or joints??
 
2012-09-05 10:58:02 AM

soakitincider: there is more nicotine in a 4oz serving of eggplant than most packs of cigarettes.


So your saying I should try smoking eggplant?
 
2012-09-05 10:59:30 AM
You're saying. You're

God, I'm a moron today.
 
2012-09-05 11:08:35 AM
I used e-cigs to quit smoking about a year and a half ago. They were the only solution I tried and could make work. It sucks that the entire time I had to worry that they were going to get pulled off the shelf.
 
2012-09-05 11:09:24 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: soakitincider: there is more nicotine in a 4oz serving of eggplant than most packs of cigarettes.

So your saying I should try smoking eggplant?


That'll never fit in a bong...Maybe if we shredded it first?
 
2012-09-05 11:10:10 AM

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: <b><a href="http://www.fark.com/comments/7308684/79160890#c79160890" target="_blank">soakitincider</a>:</b> <i>there is more nicotine in a 4oz serving of eggplant than most packs of cigarettes.</i>

So your saying I should try smoking eggplant?


You would have to smoke 20 pounds man.
 
2012-09-05 11:20:31 AM
Electronic cigarettes found to cause electronic emphysema

www.nypost.com

YOU ALVEOLI!
 
2012-09-05 11:29:32 AM
Using an Apex Ultra-Max right now...this study sounds dumb.
 
2012-09-05 11:47:09 AM
Ok... so where's the PDF of the actual study....... oh riiiight. This is all verbatim. The "experts" who did it didn't even get it reviewed by their peers. Here's a better write up on the "study". Comparing using and ecig to breathing in a warm, damp climate. So living in the rainforest is just as bad as smoking. Stupid monkeys! http://tobaccoanalysis.blogspot.com/
 
2012-09-05 11:52:37 AM
The amount of hate that anti-smoking groups have for ecigs amazes me.

Yeah, overall they aren't as good as abstaining, but it's a helluva lot better than sucking on burning herbs. It seems like the anti-smoking groups are more pissed that smokers are free to "smoke" anywhere again than they are concerned about the health benefits of not inhaling smoke.

I quit smoking a year ago. Used an ecig for about 2 months. Haven't had nicotine in any form since then.

/Nicotine lozenges sucked. (pun not intended)
//The gum was even worse.
 
2012-09-05 11:57:33 AM

skinnycatullus: Mugato: All I know is that they don't have anywhere near all the carcinogen shiat they put in regular cigs and the second hand smoke is harmless vapor. So better for me. They have to be cheaper in the long run too.

They are way cheaper. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone who doesn't already smoke. Breathing clean(ish) air is certainly preferable. But I have been using an e-cig for over 18 months. In that time, I've not had a single cigarette. I smell better. I breathe more easily. I don't get sick as much. And I've saved a shiat-ton of money.

So even if they were just as unhealthy as cigarettes (which nobody seems to be claiming), I'd still say I'm better off.


B..b...b...but someone, somewhere is having FUN!!!! That must be stopped!
 
2012-09-05 11:58:51 AM
I used E-Cigs to quit, and I recommend them to everyone who asks. I agree with everyone here saying even if they are unhealthy they're still better than smoking real cigarettes. Though I am surprised some people here have just switched from cigarettes to e-cigarettes with seeming no plan to quit completely. When I was on E-Cigs I noticed gradually I would forget to put the E-cig away, and when I found myself smoking it for 10 minutes straight I decided I was hooked on it and needed to take steps to pull back. I found quitting E-Cigs a thousand times easier than quitting normal cigarettes.
 
2012-09-05 12:08:16 PM
My buddies and I just call them the D!ldos of cigarettes. You still want to put something in your mouth, but for whatever reason you don't want, or are scared of the real thing.
 
2012-09-05 12:20:30 PM

inner ted: so is this the same as the vaporizers that folks use (so i'm told) for herbs instead of bong hits or joints?


No, but those devices have changed a bit over the last few years as companies produce better designs. Check this one.
 
2012-09-05 12:21:45 PM

akuma976: My buddies and I just call them the D!ldos of cigarettes. You still want to put something in your mouth, but for whatever reason you don't want, or are scared of the real thing.


Those are cubans.

/Old white men sucking on a big, brown Cuban dick
 
2012-09-05 12:34:51 PM

akuma976: My buddies and I just call them the D!ldos of cigarettes. You still want to put something in your mouth, but for whatever reason you don't want, or are scared of the real thing.


Do you say that before or after the circle jerk?
 
2012-09-05 12:40:36 PM
They don't smell, they taste better, and the cost (for me, buying bulk cartos and making my own liquid) is 1/10 of regular cigarettes. I'm not using them to quit -- e-cigs are just a superior product to traditional cigs.

The health effects as I experience them are great. I jog 2 miles, 3X a week (when I was a smoker, a trip up the stairs would wind me), I get fewer colds, and my digestion (I have Crohn's) has improved to the point where I no longer take any medication or give any thought to it.

They've been a godsend to me, but then asbestos was a helluva product at one time, too.
 
2012-09-05 12:51:04 PM
An increase in airway resistance immediately after inhaling something does not mean you're doing long term damage to your lungs.

I wonder how much 10 minutes of smoking cigarettes does to your airway resistance immediately after.
 
2012-09-05 12:56:56 PM
I for one, am enjoying my iEmphysema. Switched within minutes of trying my first one. Haven't had a cig in a year now. I get to enjoy my nicotine buzz without stinking up everything around me, the kids don't complain that I stink, and I went from spending $90 a week on cigs to $14 a week on juice, $10 every few weeks on cartos, and $20 every few months on a new battery.

And yeah, ever seen someone try it for the first time? They go "Oh, I don't know if this will be OK for me, I smoke a LOT!" (draw, inhale) coughcoughcoughcough "Good LORD!" So unless you know what to expect, it's going to surprise you.

I hit mine every 5 or 10 minutes instead of puffing hurriedly on a cig for 5 minutes to hurry back into the AC (or heat, depending).
 
2012-09-05 01:01:44 PM
Pffft. Amateurs.


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2012-09-05 01:01:48 PM

Jerkwater: They don't smell, they taste better, and the cost (for me, buying bulk cartos and making my own liquid) is 1/10 of regular cigarettes. I'm not using them to quit -- e-cigs are just a superior product to traditional cigs.

The health effects as I experience them are great. I jog 2 miles, 3X a week (when I was a smoker, a trip up the stairs would wind me), I get fewer colds, and my digestion (I have Crohn's) has improved to the point where I no longer take any medication or give any thought to it.

They've been a godsend to me, but then asbestos was a helluva product at one time, too.



This, this, and this.

Was using an e-cig for three months hard on my lungs, objectively speaking? Yeah, probably. As hard as the decade-old, two pack a day habit it replaced? Not bloody likely.

They're not that hard to quit (by vice standards), and for most people they can replace traditional cigarettes almost immediately. A good starter kit costs no more than a carton, lasts around a month of heavy use, and costs pennies on the pack to operate after that. If both Big Tobacco and Big Smoking Cessation aren't actively trying to bury the things, then rest assured they're trying to buy in.

Once your sense of taste and smell fully returns, it gets hard to go back to a regular cigarette. Quitting is all downhill from there.
 
2012-09-05 01:09:13 PM
Long time e-cig user here ...

This article is just plain dumb. When you inhale ANY vapor, your lung function is reduced ...the scare tactic that it causes "emphysema" is in no way justified.

Its basically the same thing as holding your head over a humidifier... but with nicotine in the vapor.

This is not to say there could not be real dangers... this is just not one of them.
 
2012-09-05 01:58:02 PM

Raug the Dwarf: Tigger: 1) Who the fark uses an e-cigarette for ten minutes?
2) What was the control?

That's what I was wondering. The experiment, from what I understand in the article, was basically them handing e-cigs to people who had never smoked and watched how much they coughed. Then handed them to smokers and did the same.

But the thing is, it takes a little bit to get used to smoking an e-cig. The vapor is heavier than regular smoke, so it takes a little bit to adjust yourself. How big of a hit you're taking, how long you drag, etc. I can't accept this study as credible when it doesn't hold up to real world conditions.


It did sort of get one thing right(though it did try to sensationalize it)
A user that smokes one (for ten minutes) has ten minutes of effects.

Derp. Of course.
A swimmer underwater for 1.5 minutes will not be able to breath for 1.5 minutes.
A guy in the shiatter with taco shiats for 15 minutes will suffer impaired breathing for 15 minutes.

The study showed nothing of the long term affects of the product, and Subby was just trolly enough to imply that it did, just like the article author.
 
2012-09-05 02:14:43 PM
What a steaming loaf of shiat these "scientists" have curled out. I've been using E-cigs for two years now, and my lung function hasn't been this good since I was a teenager -- right around when I started smoking. Anecdotal evidence to be sure, but my experiences can be echoed by hundreds of thousands if not millions of others, and if the plural of anecdote is not data, it's a pretty damn convincing argument just the same.

Besides, this study has no control group, used inexperienced test subjects who had never used an electronic cigarette before, do not reveal the mixture and strength of the E-liquid they were using (nor the provenance of its ingredients), the devices they were using to test with, and have zero data on longer term use. Also, Chistina Gratiziou, one of this "study's" authors, has financial ties to Pfizer and previously published a study praising the effectiveness of Chantix as a smoking cessation product.

Follow the money.
 
2012-09-05 02:16:07 PM

skinnycatullus: Mugato: All I know is that they don't have anywhere near all the carcinogen shiat they put in regular cigs and the second hand smoke is harmless vapor. So better for me. They have to be cheaper in the long run too.

They are way cheaper. I wouldn't recommend them to anyone who doesn't already smoke. Breathing clean(ish) air is certainly preferable. But I have been using an e-cig for over 18 months. In that time, I've not had a single cigarette. I smell better. I breathe more easily. I don't get sick as much. And I've saved a shiat-ton of money.

So even if they were just as unhealthy as cigarettes (which nobody seems to be claiming), I'd still say I'm better off.


I had a checkup with a doctor after about a year of vaping, and when I asked how my lungs were doing, she said "like someone who quit smoking about a year ago". I said that that's exactly what happened.

Higher lung capacity, I haven't had any lung sickness since the day I switched (the doctor visit was for an ear infection), I can sing better, I can smell better, I do smell better, I taste things better. And I'm getting some awesome flavors from my habit. *shrug*
 
2012-09-05 02:18:00 PM
SUCK IT!
 
2012-09-05 02:22:36 PM
You pussies should quit cold turkey like a real man.
 
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