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9833 clicks; posted to Geek » on 05 Sep 2012 at 6:30 AM (4 years ago)   |   Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-09-05 06:36:46 AM  
Why do we still have DRM?
 
2012-09-05 06:53:55 AM  

digistil: Why do we still have DRM?


Same reason we still have a Drug War: lobbyists.
 
2012-09-05 06:58:25 AM  
Man, when did the real news start so closely resembling satire?
 
2012-09-05 07:22:29 AM  
Mistakes will happen because bots are people too.

/Impossible to fire, undead, non-criminally liable people.
 
2012-09-05 07:37:47 AM  
I think I'll write my senator - ask to have a penalty put in place for false blockings.
 
2012-09-05 07:41:45 AM  
Weird. In the comments on that article are horror stories of Youtube taking people's videos down for no legitimate reason, and not responding to appeals for months, etc. I've had one of my videos flagged exactly once by Youtube, EA noted that it included footage from "Left 4 Dead" and "Warhammer Online" in my video, and thus they wanted it taken down. I responded with "Fair use, journalistic review" (I was reviewing good games for Halloween, as well as different Halloween events in a variety of MMORPGs), and Youtube not only dropped the hold on my video, there is no record of the 'infraction' at all.

I'm sure some people have had bad experiences with Youtube, but I've put up well over a hundred video podcasts now (under two different series), and have only been tagged one time, which was cleared up in less than a day. I'm pretty sure that grossly inaccurate DMCA takedowns on Youtube are the rare exception, and not the norm.
 
2012-09-05 08:05:50 AM  

MmmmBacon: Weird. In the comments on that article are horror stories of Youtube taking people's videos down for no legitimate reason, and not responding to appeals for months, etc. I've had one of my videos flagged exactly once by Youtube, EA noted that it included footage from "Left 4 Dead" and "Warhammer Online" in my video, and thus they wanted it taken down. I responded with "Fair use, journalistic review" (I was reviewing good games for Halloween, as well as different Halloween events in a variety of MMORPGs), and Youtube not only dropped the hold on my video, there is no record of the 'infraction' at all.

I'm sure some people have had bad experiences with Youtube, but I've put up well over a hundred video podcasts now (under two different series), and have only been tagged one time, which was cleared up in less than a day. I'm pretty sure that grossly inaccurate DMCA takedowns on Youtube are the rare exception, and not the norm.


Blame the media industries. Google's (YouTube) essentially been told this is the price to play ball. They can either lose marketshare or play ball and hope to facilitate change.
 
2012-09-05 08:06:25 AM  

the_freelance: digistil: Why do we still have DRM?

Same reason we still have a Drug War: lobbyists.


Probably true, sigh.
 
2012-09-05 08:09:31 AM  
I wonder if some one at Google wanted to show the POTUS that there is a problem with the internet.
 
2012-09-05 08:26:54 AM  

MmmmBacon: Weird. In the comments on that article are horror stories of Youtube taking people's videos down for no legitimate reason, and not responding to appeals for months, etc. I've had one of my videos flagged exactly once by Youtube, EA noted that it included footage from "Left 4 Dead" and "Warhammer Online" in my video, and thus they wanted it taken down. I responded with "Fair use, journalistic review" (I was reviewing good games for Halloween, as well as different Halloween events in a variety of MMORPGs), and Youtube not only dropped the hold on my video, there is no record of the 'infraction' at all.

I'm sure some people have had bad experiences with Youtube, but I've put up well over a hundred video podcasts now (under two different series), and have only been tagged one time, which was cleared up in less than a day. I'm pretty sure that grossly inaccurate DMCA takedowns on Youtube are the rare exception, and not the norm.


Wait EA can claim rights for Left 4 Dead? I thought they only distributed it.
 
2012-09-05 08:39:31 AM  
What a bunch of assholes.

Let this be a wake-up cry to the politicians to finally do something about the broken copyright law. And fix the patent system, too, while you're at it.

Aw, who am I kidding?
 
2012-09-05 08:44:13 AM  

www.wired.com



I'm as big a fan of the First Lady as anybody, but walking to work in New England this morning felt like swimming through a sweaty armpit.

Then I saw this picture of Michelle scalp scraping her own underarm and couldn't contain the chuckles.

Not that I would ever compare the First Lady's armpit to New England. The Mediterranean in spring, maybe, but not New England.
 
2012-09-05 08:44:52 AM  
Oh, and "It was this big" etc., etc.
 
2012-09-05 09:15:01 AM  

that was my nickname in highschool: Oh, and "It was this big" etc., etc.


romneypresident.org
"Mitt's only this big. I'd say I got shafted, but... you know."
 
2012-09-05 09:20:21 AM  

Theaetetus: "I'd say I got shafted, but... you know."


Shafted? More like lightly indented, amirite?
 
2012-09-05 09:35:24 AM  

that was my nickname in highschool: Theaetetus: "I'd say I got shafted, but... you know."

Shafted? More like lightly indented, amirite?


kistenet.com
"This time really get in there. All you've been doing is giving one side hell."
 
2012-09-05 09:52:19 AM  
Theaetetus: [kistenet.com image 720x406]

♥♥♥
 
2012-09-05 10:07:11 AM  
I do agree there are a lot of problems here.


One thing that I think would help: If they allowed you to flag a video as containing authorized use of so-and-so's material, accompanied by a link to the authorization.

Anything thus flagged would be kicked to a human for review rather than blocked by software.


Also, I would like to see statutory penalties for obviously false claims.
 
2012-09-05 10:15:51 AM  
Looks like the Dems need to have a chat with their entertainment industry donors.
 
2012-09-05 10:44:52 AM  
I got flagged for a using a Blind Willie McTell song set to a video. Video is still up... Nobody seems to care when you use something like Blind Willie McTell. I guess it's only the profitable crap.
 
2012-09-05 11:02:13 AM  

Wolfmanjames: Looks like the Dems need to have a chat with their entertainment industry donors.


All of congress does. But until we figure out how to deal with legalized bribing lobbying, we're pretty much at the mercy of mega-corporations, regardless which party's in power.
 
2012-09-05 12:19:01 PM  
this is farking horrifying. Why the hell are we putting up with this kind of censorship? Of any kind of censorship? Goddamn it so much WTF!!!1!
 
2012-09-05 12:26:01 PM  

Barakku: Wait EA can claim rights for Left 4 Dead? I thought they only distributed it.


It's EA, they aren't nice people so it shouldn't be surprising they trying to get their claws in to everything they touch.

Probably worth shooting an e-mail to Valve's PR department seeking clarification, if for no other reason than to provide further evidence that they should do no business with EA.
 
2012-09-05 12:32:44 PM  

funk_soul_bubby: I got flagged for a using a Blind Willie McTell song set to a video. Video is still up... Nobody seems to care when you use something like Blind Willie McTell. I guess it's only the profitable crap.


No it's an automated system... it relies on knowing what is and isn't (C) and by whom. If that person (or anyone involved with them) hasn't fed their music/video's in to the YouTube bot... it will be none the wiser as to WTF is going on. However the bot is exceptionally stupid, it might pick up on the video but not the audio (i.e. you made something like an AMV) or vice versa.

Of course the second someone tells the bot that music isn't yours and it's sent off on another patrol of existing content... your flagged. The number of views (i.e. profitable crap) might well be a key metric in triggering the bot to take a second look though.
 
2012-09-05 03:41:58 PM  
New rule if you make false claims big companies your to pay 50 bucks per person who wants to view the video all fines made shall go to removing Americas debt.
 
2012-09-05 03:57:26 PM  

mr smart the great: New rule if you make false claims big companies your to pay 50 bucks per person who wants to view the video all fines made shall go to removing Americas debt.


I second the motion.
 
2012-09-05 04:00:06 PM  

GranoblasticMan: Wolfmanjames: Looks like the Dems need to have a chat with their entertainment industry donors.

All of congress does. But until we figure out how to deal with legalized bribing lobbying, we're pretty much at the mercy of mega-corporations, regardless which party's in power.


What tech people don't seem to get is that lobbying isn't just about the money. In fact, that's not particularly significant. The money buys access directly to the member, it doesn't convince the member of anything.

Congressional staffs are small, and it's an open secret that Members of Congress rely on lobbyists for the specialized knowledge if issues at play in a bill. If the RIAA and MPAA are in Congress, day in and day out, giving their side of the story. Tech companies like Google have typically been content to sit back in California and keep to themselves. Public interest groups try to engage, but they do it on a background level. As a result, most Members of Congress don't know a lot about the issue, but what they do know, they've been taught by the recording industry.

The solution is for tech companies and for public interest tech NGOs to ramp up and teach Members about the very significant damage they're doing when they toe the recording industry line. There was talk about that after SOPA, I can only hope that Apple/Google/MS and the like learned their lesson.
 
2012-09-05 04:03:59 PM  

mr smart the great: New rule if you make false claims big companies your to pay 50 bucks per person who wants to view the video all fines made shall go to removing Americas debt.


I'd say $150,000 per attempted view.
 
2012-09-05 06:07:18 PM  
And people said Mike Masnick(of techdirt) was just being sensationalist and dishonest when he said copyright enforcement tools would be used to censor.

/and by people I mean trolls
//Mike does "told you so" dance
 
2012-09-06 01:23:54 AM  
Maybe the solution is to use their silliness against them and start reporting everything as a violation. Of course, that relies on the idea that reported vids (at least on YT) get pulled immediately and sorted out later, which I think I remember reading somewhere. It'd either kill the site or, more likely, make them squeal loud enough to maybe start lobbying for some sanity. Of course, you'd need to be behind 7 proxies....

But the concept, if not that specific method, seems like just about the only way anything in this country will ever change for the better. If the government no longer pays attention to anyone who isn't incorporated, might as well trick the corporations into fighting for the real people.

/seriously, 7 proxies.
 
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