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(NBC News)   Commander of Naval Special Warfare Command tells Navy SEALS to shut the hell up. "For an Elite Force that should be humble and disciplined for life, we are certainly not appearing to be so"   (usnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 317
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2012-09-05 01:52:38 PM

KiplingKat872: Callous: And by "did not make Obama look bad", you mean suggesting he ordered an unarmed man executed.

Dude, you do know Roosevelt and the Pentagon had kill orders out on Yamamoto in WWII, right? That's war pal. With the execution of a few Republican hypocrites trying to make as much political hay as Obama, there is no one saying Obama was wrong for finally ordering the hit.

If the author revealed classified information, then he is violation of the law. Just like Manning is still locked up in Leavenworth and will be standing trial in February.

Yeah, sorry to burst your bubble, but Manning is not being treated as a hero


He is on Fark. And that's what I'm referring to. On Fark Meaning is a hero and Owen deserves to go to Leavenworth.

Please try and follow along.
 
2012-09-05 01:54:58 PM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Way to shat on our servicemen, Republican scum.


The guy on the right. Is that Lt. Coffey from The Abyss?

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2012-09-05 01:58:16 PM

Callous: He is on Fark. And that's what I'm referring to. On Fark Meaning is a hero and Owen deserves to go to Leavenworth.


So, wait. When I said, "No one is suggesting that the author of this book be court martialed," you cite the Pentagon, but when I cite the Pentagon court martialing Manning (who has been jailed for two years now), you say it's about Fark.

Have I got that right?

i.qkme.me

Hot like your butt.
 
2012-09-05 02:02:51 PM

KiplingKat872: Callous: He is on Fark. And that's what I'm referring to. On Fark Meaning is a hero and Owen deserves to go to Leavenworth.

So, wait. When I said, "No one is suggesting that the author of this book be court martialed," you cite the Pentagon, but when I cite the Pentagon court martialing Manning (who has been jailed for two years now), you say it's about Fark.

Have I got that right?



Hot like your butt.


Check page one of this thread, more than one post about it. Both the pentagon and people on fark are calling for it.
 
2012-09-05 02:05:57 PM

fireclown: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Way to shat on our servicemen, Republican scum.

The guy on the right. Is that Lt. Coffey from The Abyss?

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Nope. Corporal Hicks from the Colonial Marines.
 
2012-09-05 02:12:06 PM

SlothB77: "We do NOT advertise the nature of our work, NOR do we seek recognition for our actions,"

that's left for the politicians to do. though, i will say the WH wasn't shy about coming out and releasing all these supposed details of the raid. None of those details ended up being true, but they sure as hell weren't humble.

Obama is just mad he is about to be Swift Boated by these SEALS. Obama: this is your swift boat moment.



Bush administration creates entire fiction about Jessica Lynch = PATRIOT!

Obama administration exaggerates or gets wrong some parts of a raid = UNAMERICAN!

I love the double standard with you right wing shills. At least try and be less transparent next time
 
2012-09-05 02:20:14 PM

moto-geek: fireclown: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Way to shat on our servicemen, Republican scum.

The guy on the right. Is that Lt. Coffey from The Abyss?

Nope. Corporal Hicks from the Colonial Marines.


images3.wikia.nocookie.net

Nope, that's Kyle Reese from the human resistance.
 
2012-09-05 02:25:15 PM

moto-geek: Nope. Corporal Hicks from the Colonial Marines


Science_Guy_3.14159: Nope, that's Kyle Reese from the human resistance.



Well, it's STILL Coffeys mustache.

/harrumph.
 
2012-09-05 02:29:41 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Obama surely hasn't won the admiration of the special ops community.



How do you know that? Did you ask them all?
 
2012-09-05 02:35:17 PM

Callous: On Fark Meaning is a hero and Owen deserves to go to Leavenworth.



Who is calling for him to be court marshaled? Link please

I searched and couldn't find one person using that phrase in the way you claimed


Callous: Check page one of this thread, more than one post about it. Both the pentagon and people on fark are calling for it.



Why can't you simply just link to the posts?

And why does one or 2 people saying this mean the entire Fark hivemind believes it?

Being a whistle blower by releasing documents to the press has a long history in America.

Writing a tell all book and releasing it to the public to make money is not being a whistle blower.

You are so desperate to make this an outrage you create a false equivalency
 
2012-09-05 03:27:15 PM

ZipSplat: The National Guard was shiat. Worst decision I ever made. Those lazy, fat pieces of shiat - I couldn't believe the stuff that went on there. Contrasted with the Marine Corps I don't even consider them to be part of the military.


Maybe your guard sucked ass, but there are plenty of good ones out there.

So have a big fark you from PA's 28th Division

www.warhats.com

www.hampton.lib.nh.us

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PA militia has been in every military engagement this country ever experienced. The 28th has been around formally since WWI and our guard units draw their linage to before we were even a formed nation.

From the Battle of the Bulge where they got their nickname... to both Iraq wars. They were there in Katrina and they will be there anytime anyone needs them.

You only get what you put in as a soldier... don't try to blame your unit because you had a bad experience. As a soldier if your unit was unacceptable you had an obligation to make a difference there. That's what real soldiers do. 

You can try to tell them they aren't part of the military, but they'll be too busy soldiering on to give a shiat what you have to say.
 
2012-09-05 03:32:32 PM

Pockafrusta: vartian: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If they wanted to be careful, they'd have joined the Coast Guard.

The Coast Guard does an insane amount of dangerous shiat on a near daily basis.

Could you be a little more vague, please?

/Fark details... amirite?


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2012-09-05 03:40:03 PM

relcec: Silverstaff: trotsky: I've seen stuff like this all over sites like Facebook and it's sickening that these shiatbags can twist a success into a partisan issue. What pisses me off the most is the use of "SEALS" who try to refute what happened and try to say Obama is taking all the credit. "SEALS" that haven't served in decades. "SEALS" who happen to be GOP shills.

Swift boating. Popular Republican tactic. See also John Kerry, 2004.

Take the military accomplishments of a Democrat. Either in uniform, or as Commander In Chief, have retired/former servicemembers who were in a related unit to the accomplishment insult the accomplishment and cast doubts on the heroism, leadership or achievement involved.


that guy who was the king swiftboater, john oneil, has hated john Kerry for at least 4 decades now. he wasn't some republican fiction ginned up for the presidential fight. he was debating kerry back in 1971 for christ sake.
kerry made his political bones calling Vietnam soldiers war criminals, and some people have very long memories.

It is an open question whether Mr. Kerry's past will hurt him now, but his words to the Senate remain a special lightning rod, especially because he described soldiers' actions as "not isolated incidents but crimes committed on a day-to-day basis with the full awareness of officers at all levels of command."

Link


It's not like there weren't a bunch of war crimes being committed by some of our boys and Kerry saw that shiat first hand or anything.
 
2012-09-05 03:52:52 PM
Noone ever said you had to be smart to become a soldier...
 
2012-09-05 03:55:22 PM

BronyMedic: alienated: go ahead, armchair special ops types, tell me i am wrong, but please- include your class number so i can prove you are not, nor have even been a real specop

My Grandfather was enlisted Naval Intelligence in Vietnam, and served on the Camp David security staff. (I have his white house medals and service records to prove it. Along with some really interesting gifts from Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson's staff)

He taught me a really valuable lesson that I still hold onto today when dealing with people who claim to have been in the "Special Forces" of any branch: The ones that actually were don't brag about it for the most part. They either don't want you to know, or don't like to talk about it.


Those that know don't say and those that say don't know.
 
2012-09-05 04:21:23 PM

trappedspirit: Speaker2Animals: WTF are you blubbering about? OK, so there were differences in the reports about exactly what happened. Have you ever in your life managed to read and understand a single word of a book about military history? In case they're beyond your comprehension, here's a little cheat sheet: "Early battlefield reports sometimes are inaccurate and subject to later revision. Rinse and repeat a million times throughout recorded history."

Uh, they were watching it live. You don't think things might have improved a bit in that regard.


Right, and I'm sure it was a high definition video feed in which everything was clear. Right.
 
2012-09-05 04:22:06 PM

Publikwerks: BullBearMS: The major reason for political butthurt over this book seems to be that this guy says the mission was a lot more about kill than about "kill or capture".

"No Easy Day," the new pseudonymous book revealed to be by Navy SEAL Mark Bissonnette, claims that Osama bin Laden was unarmed when shot at his Abbottabad compound last May. That's another key discrepancy in a story that's already changed several times since the initial days after Obama, to much acclaim, announced the killing of the Al Qaeda leader.

If you remember, the initial story was that when Bin Laden was shot, he was firing weapons while hiding behind one of his wives who he used as a human shield.

I read the book last night, and I think in context they went in with kill or capture, but a few things made them switch to just kill mode.

1. Chalk 1(the blackhawk the author rode on to UBL compound) crashed
2. The courier in the guest house opened fire.

After that, everyone in the compound knew that there was armed forces there. So I have no issue with them talk little to no chances. If UBL(SEALs used the CIA spelling Usama) wanted to surrender, he could have. But he didn't, and I don't fault the SEALs for not giving him more than one chance to surrender.

However, I did pick up some things that I need not know. Like how they mark rooms they have cleared with infrared chem lights. Or about how reliant they are on NVGs. They use IR lasers because they assume the other side isn't using NVG at all. If I was an insurgent, I would pick up a cheap sony handy cam, and if you see a bunch of ir beans moving around, you know where the SEALs are.


I read it last night as well. I'm a civilian and I didn't know about the IR chem lights either. Other than that there didn't seem to be any great revelations there.

Shoot, most of the ops stuff you get a good idea about from any decent military fiction novel.

I didn't get the feeling the author was particularly bashing Obama either. Every military person I know biatches about politicians being hand wringers, the pantsuit brigade, etc etc. the book just has a couple paragraphs along that line.

So in response to all the fuss my reaction is a big fat meh.
 
2012-09-05 04:22:26 PM
Maybe Obama and the Navy Command should write their own book: If we were on the Bid Laden Raid.
 
2012-09-05 05:01:10 PM

Science_Guy_3.14159: moto-geek: fireclown: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: Way to shat on our servicemen, Republican scum.

The guy on the right. Is that Lt. Coffey from The Abyss?

Nope. Corporal Hicks from the Colonial Marines.

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Nope, that's Kyle Reese from the human resistance.


Dammit. You're right!
 
2012-09-05 06:51:50 PM
Why should they keep quiet about that operation? Obama blew security on that as soon as he could to gain political points. He even brought in a bunch of Hollywood people for a personal briefing on the operation so they could make a movie. The military and intelligence people were absolutely livid.
 
2012-09-05 07:51:05 PM

KiplingKat872: CMYK and PMS: It is Obama's only accomplishment

Sorry, what?

Putting slowly turning the economy around despite constant obstructionism from the GOP, in foriegn policy terms:

He assisted the revolution in Libya without getting us directly involved in a ground war there.

He removed most of the troops from Iraq so they could focus on the war in Afghanistan.

He has kept the tensions with Iran from exploding into war.

He has not kowtowed to Israel.

He has took an aggressive military posture toward North Korea when they sank South Korea Navy ship.

Love it or hate it, he has taken a strong position about eliminating Taliban camps on the Pakistan side.

He solidified relations with Japan after the Tsunami by sending the USS Ronald Regan for disaster relief.

He has at least partially repaired the U.S.'s reputation and standing on the Global Stage

To say he has accomplished nothing but the assassination of bin Laden is a lie, simple as that.


Damn... how much of that Koolaid did you drink?
 
2012-09-05 08:05:40 PM

OgreMagi: Why should they keep quiet about that operation? Obama blew security on that as soon as he could to gain political points. He even brought in a bunch of Hollywood people for a personal briefing on the operation so they could make a movie. The military and intelligence people were absolutely livid.


Hey, this guy pointed out that the Obama administration had been repeatedly lying about what went down during the raid while we are in an election season.

What this guy has done is embarrass those at the top because all of the many versions of the "truth" they had previously revealed had some kind of "He's coming right for us!" twist.

The book reveals that instead Bin Laden poked his head out a door and Boom! Headshot..

That's not "kill or capture". That's "kill". That's an embarrassment.

You have to remember that although the Obama administration refuses to prosecute anyone involved with torturing people, even when the victims were literally beaten to death, they still are going to prosecute the whistle blower who exposed this illegal behavior to the press.

Murdering people is fine. Embarrassing those at the top? You're going down.
 
2012-09-05 08:21:19 PM

OgreMagi: Obama blew security on that as soon as he could to gain political points



citation needed


BullBearMS: You have to remember that although the Obama administration refuses to prosecute anyone involved with torturing people, even when the victims were literally beaten to death



Surprise surprise when you don't have political capital you have to take a conservative stance, especially when it comes to the military and national defense.
 
2012-09-05 08:30:43 PM

intelligent comment below: Surprise surprise when you don't have political capital you have to take a conservative stance, especially when it comes to the military and national defense.


Now I see once again why I have you favorited as a lying liar.

How the fark does your lame ass excuse explain why Obama is prosecuting the whistle blower who exposed torture, but not anyone who ordered torture or physically beat people to death?
 
2012-09-05 08:38:12 PM

intelligent comment below: OgreMagi: Obama blew security on that as soon as he could to gain political points


citation needed


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXylZ4mLubE
 
2012-09-05 09:40:35 PM

alienated: BullBearMS: All you have to do is admit that we never had any intention whatsoever of taking this guy captive.

well, duh. What could we have done ? I mean, besides making a stain on the walls out of him. Could we, even as a nation ruled by law, had a trial ? I am not being facetious here.I see no other solution except his summary execution. armed or not is immaterial at this point. Laden was a cancer and needed to be excised . By any and all means at our disposal. Cold ? yep. I would have done the same to McViegh, given the chance.


This guy could of had an interesting new room mate.

akamai.paramountcomedy.com
 
2012-09-05 09:59:35 PM

BullBearMS: Now I see once again why I have you favorited as a lying liar.

How the fark does your lame ass excuse explain why Obama is prosecuting the whistle blower who exposed torture, but not anyone who ordered torture or physically beat people to death?



Oh because I really care what master copy paste both sides are bad troll has to say about me.

This is how politics works, idiot. You want RON PAUL to be appointed King. You think a President doesn't play to the other side who always pins you as weak on terrorism and defense? Welcome to America after 9/11. No President is going to be able to do anything you want, even Gary Johnson or Ron Paul. They wouldn't even be able to close Gitmo, their request would be blocked all the same just like Obama.
 
2012-09-05 10:00:13 PM

OgreMagi: intelligent comment below: OgreMagi: Obama blew security on that as soon as he could to gain political points


citation needed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXylZ4mLubE



No, I asked for a citation, not a youtube video
 
2012-09-05 10:07:14 PM

intelligent comment below: No, I asked for a citation, not a youtube video


You are seriously the most retarded idiot from the entire Politics tab.

Go back there.
 
2012-09-05 10:08:55 PM

intelligent comment below: OgreMagi: intelligent comment below: OgreMagi: Obama blew security on that as soon as he could to gain political points


citation needed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXylZ4mLubE


No, I asked for a citation, not a youtube video


Forget it Jake, it's Farktown.
 
2012-09-05 10:11:55 PM

BullBearMS: intelligent comment below: No, I asked for a citation, not a youtube video

You are seriously the most retarded idiot from the entire Politics tab.

Go back there.


What happened to GaryPDX?
 
2012-09-05 10:15:19 PM

Harry_Seldon: BullBearMS: intelligent comment below: No, I asked for a citation, not a youtube video

You are seriously the most retarded idiot from the entire Politics tab.

Go back there.

What happened to GaryPDX?


He's gone. Don't know why.
 
2012-09-05 10:23:15 PM

simplicimus: Harry_Seldon: BullBearMS: intelligent comment below: No, I asked for a citation, not a youtube video

You are seriously the most retarded idiot from the entire Politics tab.

Go back there.

What happened to GaryPDX?

He's gone. Don't know why.


Can we have Gary back and banish farktards like this one back to the Politics tab where they belong?
 
2012-09-05 10:29:33 PM

BullBearMS: intelligent comment below: No, I asked for a citation, not a youtube video

You are seriously the most retarded idiot from the entire Politics tab.

Go back there.



A Swift Boat smear campaign funded by Karl Rove is considered a "citation" these days? Wow you Fark Independents are desperate



BullBearMS: Can we have Gary back and banish farktards like this one back to the Politics tab where they belong?



Who's we? And who do you speak on behalf of? The only thing you do is smear up these topics with nonsense both sides are bad copy paste trolls and you can never have a rational thought on your own

I challenge you to actually debate anything I say. Not cry because I wont listen to a Swift Boat "documentary" on Obama and throw childish insults because you have no idea how government and politics works when you are a ruling party with little actual voting power.

Clinton had to adopt many Republican ideologies like welfare reform, debt repayments, high military spending, bank deregulation, etc. because he wanted to get some of his stuff passed.

Obama had to accept tax cuts for the rich to get unemployment extensions.

This is how government works.

You can't point the blame on the party who gives in to Republican ideas to get what they want passed, you should start blaming Republicans.

But then that would show your true self, your goal is to blame Democrats so more Republicans get into office. Your both sides are bad schtick has been rinsed repeated for years on the internet.
 
2012-09-05 10:30:35 PM

simplicimus: intelligent comment below: OgreMagi: intelligent comment below: OgreMagi: Obama blew security on that as soon as he could to gain political points


citation needed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXylZ4mLubE


No, I asked for a citation, not a youtube video

Forget it Jake, it's Farktown.


Who's Jake?
 
2012-09-05 10:32:33 PM

BullBearMS: simplicimus: Harry_Seldon: BullBearMS: intelligent comment below: No, I asked for a citation, not a youtube video

You are seriously the most retarded idiot from the entire Politics tab.

Go back there.

What happened to GaryPDX?

He's gone. Don't know why.

Can we have Gary back and banish farktards like this one back to the Politics tab where they belong?


I doubt Gary will be coming back. Just like whoever channeled the freeper threads. But I am here to argue, not to insult.
 
2012-09-05 10:34:25 PM

intelligent comment below: simplicimus: intelligent comment below: OgreMagi: intelligent comment below: OgreMagi: Obama blew security on that as soon as he could to gain political points


citation needed

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXylZ4mLubE


No, I asked for a citation, not a youtube video

Forget it Jake, it's Farktown.

Who's Jake?


Never seen Chinatown?
 
2012-09-05 10:35:27 PM
Negative
 
2012-09-05 10:36:19 PM

simplicimus: BullBearMS: simplicimus: Harry_Seldon: BullBearMS: intelligent comment below: No, I asked for a citation, not a youtube video

You are seriously the most retarded idiot from the entire Politics tab.

Go back there.

What happened to GaryPDX?

He's gone. Don't know why.

Can we have Gary back and banish farktards like this one back to the Politics tab where they belong?

I doubt Gary will be coming back. Just like whoever channeled the freeper threads. But I am here to argue, not to insult.



Gary is still here, using alts and proxies. I believe he was one of the accounts banned last year in the troll sweep someone was talking about yesterday
 
2012-09-05 10:36:41 PM
 
2012-09-05 10:38:53 PM

intelligent comment below: Negative


Well, put it on you to-do list. Great modern film noir.
 
2012-09-05 10:40:49 PM

BullBearMS: Derp. Lot's and lots of retarded farking Derp.

Look, retard. Answer the farking question.

Why is it OK for Obama to prosecute the guy who blew the whistle on torture, but not prosecute any of those who ordered torture, carried out torture, or destroyed videotaped evidence of torture once the truth came out?


Actually, that's a damn good question. And I'm a liberal Democrat.
 
2012-09-05 10:41:14 PM

MurphyMurphy: You only get what you put in as a soldier... don't try to blame your unit because you had a bad experience. As a soldier if your unit was unacceptable you had an obligation to make a difference there. That's what real soldiers do.


LOL, thanks for the advice. I filed two IG complaints and eventually went to my congresswoman about the issue because the IG's in the National Guard are generally well entrenched in the Good Ol' Boys' Club because the organization is so small. I put up a pretty good fight while I was in and paid for it personally, and it has been extremely vindicating to me to see the investigations that have begun piling on top of the CalGuard's head in response to mine and others' persistence.

dl.dropbox.com

Anything else? No? Go f*ck yourself. I am putting myself on the line, and it's not f*cking easy.
 
2012-09-05 10:45:32 PM
Especially when the Commander is pandering to the CinC.

I never saw a Marine Corps Officer act in a dishornorable manner, but the likes of Mr. North, and this Chairborne pouge irk me.
 
2012-09-05 11:24:13 PM
So I guess people who leak these important facts are not supposed to tell them to people so reporters who report these things are barred from say, reporting the actual facts that were actually in violation of the law so we can determine the severity of the violation. So we are left without context or content to judge the legitimacy of the accusation. Great. I'm sure no one would ever exaggerate or abuse that. So prove me wrong, please. I always hear about these leaks but rarely are the facts in question brought to the press about them. WHAT ARE THE SECRETS TELL ME.
 
2012-09-05 11:29:39 PM

UseLessHuman: So I guess people who leak these important facts are not supposed to tell them to people so reporters who report these things are barred from say, reporting the actual facts that were actually in violation of the law so we can determine the severity of the violation. So we are left without context or content to judge the legitimacy of the accusation. Great. I'm sure no one would ever exaggerate or abuse that. So prove me wrong, please. I always hear about these leaks but rarely are the facts in question brought to the press about them. WHAT ARE THE SECRETS TELL ME.


Psst, here's the secret: we stopped being under the rule of law in the 1960's. Everything you've been told since then is more spin than fact.
 
2012-09-05 11:34:33 PM

BullBearMS: Derp. Lot's and lots of retarded farking Derp.

Look, retard. Answer the farking question.

Why is it OK for Obama to prosecute the guy who blew the whistle on torture, but not prosecute any of those who ordered torture, carried out torture, or destroyed videotaped evidence of torture once the truth came out?



So you admit that America is a Republic, not a Monarchy? Well at least we're finally getting somewhere

I never said it was okay, I said the reason why Obama was doing it.

The best part? Now Republican's cant say shiat about Democrats being soft on terror and "not support the troops"
 
2012-09-05 11:35:22 PM

simplicimus: Actually, that's a damn good question. And I'm a liberal Democrat.



Because a sitting administration doesn't want to prosecute former administration officials for the policies they created
 
2012-09-05 11:37:21 PM

intelligent comment below: BullBearMS: Derp. Lot's and lots of retarded farking Derp.

Look, retard. Answer the farking question.

Why is it OK for Obama to prosecute the guy who blew the whistle on torture, but not prosecute any of those who ordered torture, carried out torture, or destroyed videotaped evidence of torture once the truth came out?


So you admit that America is a Republic, not a Monarchy? Well at least we're finally getting somewhere

I never said it was okay, I said the reason why Obama was doing it.

The best part? Now Republican's cant say shiat about Democrats being soft on terror and "not support the troops"


You missed the part where Obama is Emperor of the world and can cause Oil prices to change at his whim?
 
2012-09-05 11:41:28 PM

intelligent comment below: simplicimus: Actually, that's a damn good question. And I'm a liberal Democrat.


Because a sitting administration doesn't want to prosecute former administration officials for the policies they created


So they don't go after war criminals because it's impolite?
 
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