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(NBC News)   Commander of Naval Special Warfare Command tells Navy SEALS to shut the hell up. "For an Elite Force that should be humble and disciplined for life, we are certainly not appearing to be so"   (usnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 317
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2012-09-05 07:56:03 AM

ZipSplat: Blackwater does PSD and logistics support. You're really defining down the term "mercenary" if you apply it to them. And no, "merc organizations" - I don't know what shiatty B-movie taught you to refer to them as that - do not carry out the Marine Corps' mission unless you're counting PSD for diplomats.


No, they are a mercenaries.

Blacwater snipers deployed into live combat

Blackwater contractors in rooftop firefight

Blackwater Shootings

They disgusting and it is disgusting that the U.S. government used them.
 
2012-09-05 07:57:20 AM

Cubansaltyballs: alienated: What Science_Guy_3.14159 said. Most SF types tend to keep a low, low profile and not, well, brag and crap or write a book until at least 30 years after the fact of an op. UCMJ and all, and stuff 

go ahead, armchair special ops types, tell me i am wrong, but please- include your class number so i can prove you are not, nor have even been a real specop

I think this guy thought someone would be as greedy and a big a douchebag as he is and he needed to cash in before someone could beat him to it. I think the guy broke his oath and his word and the idea that you're not supposed to talk in detail about the things you do. I work in network security and have seen some wild sh*t, but I would never tell anyone details about a customer's network or give any info that could identify a customer, whether I have a contract telling me that or not.

There are things you just don't talk about because it's expected to be private.

This guy wants his millions, and the DoD will likely take his money, but I sense he was also angling for a Fox News job or a role on the Republican speaking circuit.


Wild network security shiat.

He's seen things that you wouldn't believe. The DNS for entire LANs poisoned just to get one guy's computer to load goatse. And he will never forget the carnage of the great MAC conflict of 98.
 
2012-09-05 07:57:54 AM
Having this come out the day before the Democrat Convention reeks of Rudy Giuliani spouting "911" every where he goes. It is Obama's only accomplishment and a dubious one at that.
 
2012-09-05 07:59:20 AM

ZipSplat: Crotchrocket Slim: Yeah he makes jackasses like you look bad. Can't have that.

In what way did that happen?


In telling him to shut up when he's spouting straight up gospel. It's pretty apparent you've never even met someone from the service in your whole life, or if you have they are the same straight up sell outs the rear admiral is calling out.
 
2012-09-05 08:02:09 AM

KiplingKat872: ZipSplat: Blackwater does PSD and logistics support. You're really defining down the term "mercenary" if you apply it to them. And no, "merc organizations" - I don't know what shiatty B-movie taught you to refer to them as that - do not carry out the Marine Corps' mission unless you're counting PSD for diplomats.

No, they are a mercenaries.

Blacwater snipers deployed into live combat

Blackwater contractors in rooftop firefight

Blackwater Shootings

They disgusting and it is disgusting that the U.S. government used them.


Yeah, that in no way contradicts my statement, it just provides a blueprint of your ignorance. Yes, in PSD duties, people shoot people to protect their principle (usually a person, cargo, or a vulnerable area). That is not the same thing as the military engaging in offensive operations at the behest of the government to capture territory.
 
2012-09-05 08:02:56 AM
Propaganda is a rough business.
 
2012-09-05 08:03:17 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: In telling him to shut up when he's spouting straight up gospel. It's pretty apparent you've never even met someone from the service in your whole life, or if you have they are the same straight up sell outs the rear admiral is calling out.


LOL, uh, I've spent five years in the Marine Corps and three in the National Guard, champ. So gurgle on them balls, wontcha?
 
2012-09-05 08:03:21 AM

Cubansaltyballs: This guy wants his millions, and the DoD will likely take his money, but I sense he was also angling for a Fox News job or a role on the Republican speaking circuit.


"Next up on Fox News' election coverage, the man who actually *did* kill Osama bin Laden, Navy SEAL Mark Bissonnette, will give us his take on Obama's attempt to take credit for and politicize the military action that took down the Al-Qaeda leader... after this short break."

*uncrosses and crosses legs, adjusts miniskirt*
 
2012-09-05 08:08:46 AM

ZipSplat: Crotchrocket Slim: In telling him to shut up when he's spouting straight up gospel. It's pretty apparent you've never even met someone from the service in your whole life, or if you have they are the same straight up sell outs the rear admiral is calling out.

LOL, uh, I've spent five years in the Marine Corps and three in the National Guard, champ. So gurgle on them balls, wontcha?


Yeah okay sure I believe you internet tough guy.

You're just words on a screen to me, and frankly you post nothing like the military personnel I grew up around would. If you're being honest here sorry for calling you out on being an utter putz who never "got it". I'm guessing you were one of those "mall guard" types mentioned up thread?
 
2012-09-05 08:08:54 AM

Bit'O'Gristle: brake --> break


Thank you.
 
2012-09-05 08:09:36 AM

kim jong-un: He's seen things that you wouldn't believe.


C-beams glittering in the darkness near the Tannhauser Gate?
 
2012-09-05 08:10:08 AM
What color is the boat house in Hereford?

I'm not surprised this guy wrote a book so soon. The SAS will approve former members writing stuff, generally under a fictional bent, that are considered recent.

My problem comes from the Right and how they are desperately trying to play down the narrative.

"Well, THESE SEALS don't like Obama and claim that he did nothing"
"Well, OBL was unarmed, and that's not American!"
"Well, Obama was golfing in Africa with a Iman while our brave SEALS were risking their lives".

I've seen stuff like this all over sites like Facebook and it's sickening that these shiatbags can twist a success into a partisan issue. What pisses me off the most is the use of "SEALS" who try to refute what happened and try to say Obama is taking all the credit. "SEALS" that haven't served in decades. "SEALS" who happen to be GOP shills.

Oh, and the loudest "very special forces" braggarts are also the least likely to be in. I'll reference the greatest troll of all time (you Fark trolls could learn from watching this guy)

Shrine of the Mall Ninja: The Greatest Troll of all Time
 
2012-09-05 08:11:11 AM

Ivandrago: maram500: Science_Guy_3.14159: The Commander of the Naval Special Warfare Department tells the NAVY SEALS to show more discretion and be more humble... also not to brake the law and leak classified information. I don't see the problem with this. You do know every branch of the military has an unwritten rule that you can't wear your uniform if you aren't on base or on active duty, except at special events like parades, weddings and funerals. I think for the Marines this is an actual law they have to follow.

Believe it or not most military people, enlisted men and officers, are quite humble and disciplined and get quite upset when they see another soldier that isn't.

That's actually a written rule for the Marine Corps and the Navy. And I've tried making sense of the "Order of the Day" and what uniform can be worn when and where and...I had to drink. Too much regulation for a uniform, I think.

/Almost joined the Navy
//Would have gone to OCS
///Probably would be an O-3 by now
////Oh well

In the Army we wore our duty uniform all over town. When I lived with my sister, who was a Marine, she was always very annoyed that she couldn't stop off at the grocery store near her house after work because she wasn't allowed to do things off base in her uniform. She babbled something about respecting the uniform and ensuring civilians didn't see them doing anything improper while wearing it. Seemed silly to me, especially in a military town.


This is [another reason ]why Marines > Army. Marines go in first, kick more ass, and have far more respect for the uniform than to wear it off-base.

/One of my best friends is a Marine
//Lost his knee in Iraq
///A hero to me
////Not every person in uniform is automatically a hero, but thanks to you and your sister for serving
 
2012-09-05 08:12:21 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: ZipSplat: Crotchrocket Slim: In telling him to shut up when he's spouting straight up gospel. It's pretty apparent you've never even met someone from the service in your whole life, or if you have they are the same straight up sell outs the rear admiral is calling out.

LOL, uh, I've spent five years in the Marine Corps Cores and three in the National Guard, champ. So gurgle on them balls, wontcha?

Yeah okay sure I believe you internet tough guy.

You're just words on a screen to me, and frankly you post nothing like the military personnel I grew up around would. If you're being honest here sorry for calling you out on being an utter putz who never "got it". I'm guessing you were one of those "mall guard" types mentioned up thread?


Corrected for extra-Farkness.
 
2012-09-05 08:13:04 AM

CMYK and PMS: It is Obama's only accomplishment


Sorry, what?

Putting slowly turning the economy around despite constant obstructionism from the GOP, in foriegn policy terms:

He assisted the revolution in Libya without getting us directly involved in a ground war there.

He removed most of the troops from Iraq so they could focus on the war in Afghanistan.

He has kept the tensions with Iran from exploding into war.

He has not kowtowed to Israel.

He has took an aggressive military posture toward North Korea when they sank South Korea Navy ship.

Love it or hate it, he has taken a strong position about eliminating Taliban camps on the Pakistan side.

He solidified relations with Japan after the Tsunami by sending the USS Ronald Regan for disaster relief.

He has at least partially repaired the U.S.'s reputation and standing on the Global Stage

To say he has accomplished nothing but the assassination of bin Laden is a lie, simple as that.
 
2012-09-05 08:14:05 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: Yeah okay sure I believe you internet tough guy.

You're just words on a screen to me, and frankly you post nothing like the military personnel I grew up around would. If you're being honest here sorry for calling you out on being an utter putz who never "got it". I'm guessing you were one of those "mall guard" types mentioned up thread?


No, I was definitely not a mall guard. What did you do? Hopefully you were at least a mall guard, because between you and the original poster I don't think either of you are in a position to inform me about the .mil

In any event, what he posted is inaccurate. The only service with regulations against wearing a utility uniform off base is the Marine Corps, they strongly request that you avoid wearing your uniform off base for anything more than putting gas in your tank to get home - but even for the Marine Corps all other uniforms are fine off base.
 
2012-09-05 08:15:39 AM

trotsky: I've seen stuff like this all over sites like Facebook and it's sickening that these shiatbags can twist a success into a partisan issue. What pisses me off the most is the use of "SEALS" who try to refute what happened and try to say Obama is taking all the credit. "SEALS" that haven't served in decades. "SEALS" who happen to be GOP shills.


Isn't that what they talk about in the book? Wait are you more upset this guy is possibly giving away secrets or because you think he's turning into a partisan issue?
 
2012-09-05 08:16:22 AM
Nobody else sees the irony that his e-mail to everyone to shut up was leaked to the press?
 
2012-09-05 08:16:23 AM

ZipSplat: Yeah, that in no way contradicts my statement, it just provides a blueprint of your ignorance. Yes, in PSD duties, people shoot people to protect their principle (usually a person, cargo, or a vulnerable area). That is not the same thing as the military engaging in offensive operations at the behest of the government to capture territory.


You need to look at those links, they were deployed a combat zones.

I'm sure the British brought in the Hessians "just to protect their supply lines."

Mercenaries are mercenaries. Called them whatever fancy name you want, but in the end they are guns for hire. Get over it.
 
2012-09-05 08:18:32 AM

Tat'dGreaser: trotsky: I've seen stuff like this all over sites like Facebook and it's sickening that these shiatbags can twist a success into a partisan issue. What pisses me off the most is the use of "SEALS" who try to refute what happened and try to say Obama is taking all the credit. "SEALS" that haven't served in decades. "SEALS" who happen to be GOP shills.

Isn't that what they talk about in the book? Wait are you more upset this guy is possibly giving away secrets or because you think he's turning into a partisan issue?


I wasn't talking about the book subby talks about. Have not read it. I was discussing the one book that was released months ago that was pretty much just bullshiat after bullshiat lie. I forget the title right now.
 
2012-09-05 08:21:41 AM

impaler: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If they wanted to be careful, they'd have joined the Coast Guard.

Way to shat on our servicemen, Republican scum.

[www.uscg.mil image 560x315]
Link



it's a quote from that terrible Navy Seals movie in the 90s. relax, Francis.
/Coastie
 
2012-09-05 08:23:26 AM
"We do NOT advertise the nature of our work, NOR do we seek recognition for our actions,"

that's left for the politicians to do. though, i will say the WH wasn't shy about coming out and releasing all these supposed details of the raid. None of those details ended up being true, but they sure as hell weren't humble.

Obama is just mad he is about to be Swift Boated by these SEALS. Obama: this is your swift boat moment.
 
2012-09-05 08:23:32 AM

trotsky: I wasn't talking about the book subby talks about. Have not read it. I was discussing the one book that was released months ago that was pretty much just bullshiat after bullshiat lie. I forget the title right now.


There are two books? I thought that's what this one was about, the guy talked about how they shot Bin Laden without question and the SEAL was upset that Obama is taking credit for it.

I mean I don't want to get into an argument and not everyone feels this way, but I get this feeling that people are more upset because he sort of let his political ideals out. I can't say I didn't see this coming, you're not supposed to take sides in the military because your Commander in Chief is your boss and you follow their orders but people have their own opinions.

Yes it's a great thing that Obama gave the order to go in and take Bin Laden out but the language a lot of people used was and is dangerous. When people say "Obama killed Bin Laden" that kind of takes away from what those guys did. I'm just saying, maybe people are more upset about what he said regarding that?
 
2012-09-05 08:23:51 AM

KiplingKat872: You need to look at those links, they were deployed a combat zones.

I'm sure the British brought in the Hessians "just to protect their supply lines."

Mercenaries are mercenaries. Called them whatever fancy name you want, but in the end they are guns for hire. Get over it.


So are you going to acknowledge that they are bodyguards for diplomats and private principles? Or are you going to keep trying to pretend that their operations are synonymous with military operations just because they both have guns, and they both shoot people that shoot at them.
 
2012-09-05 08:27:03 AM

ZipSplat: KiplingKat872: ZipSplat: Blackwater does PSD and logistics support. You're really defining down the term "mercenary" if you apply it to them. And no, "merc organizations" - I don't know what shiatty B-movie taught you to refer to them as that - do not carry out the Marine Corps' mission unless you're counting PSD for diplomats.

No, they are a mercenaries.

Blacwater snipers deployed into live combat

Blackwater contractors in rooftop firefight

Blackwater Shootings

They disgusting and it is disgusting that the U.S. government used them.

Yeah, that in no way contradicts my statement, it just provides a blueprint of your ignorance. Yes, in PSD duties, people shoot people to protect their principle (usually a person, cargo, or a vulnerable area). That is not the same thing as the military engaging in offensive operations at the behest of the government to capture territory.


I just finished listening to Rachel Maddow's book _Drift_, and she made the very good point that even using these contractors for non-combat services has some severe downsides. First, she talks a situation in Kosovo where contractors doing logistics, etc., got involved in some pretty serious crime (including having essentially underaged harems). People in the country being occupied aren't going to differentiate between US armed forces personnel and contractors or mercs, we're all just Americans to them. So, it's safe to say that using contractors increases the chances of pretty bad publicity / human rights / whatever problems. Also, the fact that we're just hiring people means that even less of the country is directly involved in the war, making it even easier and more probable that we'll end up using military power, probably unnecessarily.

That was pretty much the point of the book - that the gradual move of warmaking power from the legislature to the executive branch and the move to contracting (and, previously, away from the draft) have drastically lowered the bar for the use of force. She had a couple of good points, and some good recommendations in the afterword.
 
2012-09-05 08:27:38 AM

trotsky: The SAS will approve former members writing stuff, generally under a fictional bent, that are considered recent.


Not really. If you read Chris Ryan's stuff it is pretty heavily on the fiction side, sometimes ridiculously so in terms of situations (like Hammas pulling crap in the 2000's that they were doing in the 1970's), and his heroes can be quite rambo-super-heroic. Not a lot of realistic tactics in there.

They are very guarded about past ops, I was reading "Who Dares Wins: The Special Air Service from 1950 to he Gulf War (1992 ed)" by Tony Geraghty, and I think he only has complete operational info up to the Falklands. Even the Selection process they still keep pretty tightly under wraps.
 
2012-09-05 08:29:05 AM

ZipSplat: So are you going to acknowledge that they are bodyguards for diplomats and private principles? Or are you going to keep trying to pretend that their operations are synonymous with military operations just because they both have guns, and they both shoot people that shoot at them.


If you look at the links I provided you will see they are engaging in military operations, not just body guard work.

They are mercenaries. Deal with it.
 
2012-09-05 08:30:02 AM

MurphyMurphy: I wonder how Bradley Manning feels about all this?


.
.
Is he still alive?
 
2012-09-05 08:30:10 AM
If only the SEAL had used wikileaks to get the truth out there.......and if only the lying president had been a republican,then we would be praising the SEAL.

The SEAL doesnt have alot going for him....I mean hes not even a homosexual like Manning.
 
2012-09-05 08:30:34 AM

dersk: I just finished listening to Rachel Maddow's book _Drift_, and she made the very good point that even using these contractors for non-combat services has some severe downsides. First, she talks a situation in Kosovo where contractors doing logistics, etc., got involved in some pretty serious crime (including having essentially underaged harems). People in the country being occupied aren't going to differentiate between US armed forces personnel and contractors or mercs, we're all just Americans to them. So, it's safe to say that using contractors increases the chances of pretty bad publicity / human rights / whatever problems. Also, the fact that we're just hiring people means that even less of the country is directly involved in the war, making it even easier and more probable that we'll end up using military power, probably unnecessarily.

That was pretty much the point of the book - that the gradual move of warmaking power from the legislature to the executive branch and the move to contracting (and, previously, away from the draft) have drastically lowered the bar for the use of force. She had a couple of good points, and some good recommendations in the afterword.


I watch Rachel a few times a week, and I listened to her Fresh Air interview about the book. I admire that she made the effort to educate herself and call them what they actually are instead of hastily grasping for what is most politically convenient (cough, Skahill, cough). I want to read her book as well. She and I usually aren't on par with regard to foreign policy, but she at least understands what she's talking about and has respect for truth over convenience.

Usually. Sometimes she gets hacky. But she is a cable TV personality as well.
 
2012-09-05 08:31:50 AM

KiplingKat872: ZipSplat: Yeah, that in no way contradicts my statement, it just provides a blueprint of your ignorance. Yes, in PSD duties, people shoot people to protect their principle (usually a person, cargo, or a vulnerable area). That is not the same thing as the military engaging in offensive operations at the behest of the government to capture territory.

You need to look at those links, they were deployed a combat zones.

I'm sure the British brought in the Hessians "just to protect their supply lines."

Mercenaries are mercenaries. Called them whatever fancy name you want, but in the end they are guns for hire. Get over it.


Their single largest contractor was the State Department, specifically because they wanted their security teams seperate from the military. They didn't want their missions controlled by military brass (historically protecting the State Department fell under the duties of the USMC). They also believed, and still do, that having civillian security teams would be helpful to seperate their image from the more militaristic-looking military (less gear, armor, small trucks instead of humvees, etc).

Unlike most i've worked with PMCs during the height of the "omfg mercenaries!" scare. It's humerous to see these mostly left leaning civil servants, government aid agencies, international NGOs, UN and Nato officials, and hell, even the same journalists printing these mercenary stories, they might disparage blackwater but when they need to drive through a dangerous area they are the first ones to hire them.
 
2012-09-05 08:34:10 AM

SlothB77: "We do NOT advertise the nature of our work, NOR do we seek recognition for our actions,"

that's left for the politicians to do. though, i will say the WH wasn't shy about coming out and releasing all these supposed details of the raid. None of those details ended up being true, but they sure as hell weren't humble.

Obama is just mad he is about to be Swift Boated by these SEALS. Obama: this is your swift boat moment.


Oh, I'd say he's had plenty of moments already when he's been bombarded by lies about his background. I mean, that's what the swiftboating was all about.

I figure he would have gotten all the crap if things had gone bad; he had to make the call to go into Pakistani terrority; he gets to say he killed bin Laden.
 
2012-09-05 08:34:17 AM

maram500: This is [another reason ]why Marines > Army. Marines go in first, kick more ass, and have far more respect for the uniform than to wear it off-base.


I have to say I agree with this. We have an ROTC here on campus, and some of these kids swanning around in their fatigues everywhere when they have no freaking clue what it means to be in the real military unit gets on my nerves. I had one in one Global Understanding class (video conferencing with students from universities aroudn the world) and when the instructor asked her for her perspective on Iraq (who were were conferencing with), the student replied, "Oh, I don't pay attention to that stuff. It's too depressing."

I come from a very long line of Army officers, my dad was Navy, my brother Corp, I was *this* close to turning around and boxing her ears.
 
2012-09-05 08:34:19 AM

KiplingKat872: If you look at the links I provided you will see they are engaging in military operations, not just body guard work.


The FOB on which they are located is under attack. That video is from 2003/2004 timeframe, I remember when it came out.

You don't even have the context in which to understand what you are seeing. You just see people with guns running around shooting alongside the military, so you're assuming that must mean that they're performing the same duty across the spectrum. The contractors either live at or are protecting a principle visiting that FOB, and being that it is under attack they are working alongside the military there to repel the attack.
 
2012-09-05 08:35:10 AM

ChuDogg: (historically protecting the State Department fell under the duties of the USMC)


Say what? DSS mean anything to you?
 
2012-09-05 08:36:41 AM
CMYK and PMS: It is Obama's only accomplishment

Sorry, what?

Putting slowly turning the economy around despite constant obstructionism from the GOP,
This is a talking point that just isn't true.

in foriegn policy terms:

He assisted the revolution in Libya without getting us directly involved in a ground war there.
We got involved in a civil war where we don't even know who we were backing. Replacing a government in another country is not our job especially with one that may be worse

He removed most of the troops from Iraq so they could focus on the war in Afghanistan. Pretty much according to the withdrawal plan laid out by Bush

He has kept the tensions with Iran from exploding into war. This is just absurd

He has not kowtowed to Israel. I don't know how this could be viewed as an accomplishment even if it were true

He has took an aggressive military posture toward North Korea when they sank South Korea Navy ship. which has accomplished fark-all

Love it or hate it, he has taken a strong position about eliminating Taliban camps on the Pakistan side. the US has no business going into other countries and blowing things up. If he were a Republican you would view this as a negative

He solidified relations with Japan after the Tsunami by sending the USS Ronald Regan for disaster relief. And no other president ever sent relief to a country in distress. Were our relations with Japan bad? I didn't get that meno

He has at least partially repaired the U.S.'s reputation and standing on the Global Stage Hardly, we are now seen as a country that will murder our own citizens around the world with no trial

To say he has accomplished nothing but the assassination of bin Laden is a lie, simple as that.
 
2012-09-05 08:37:02 AM

Tat'dGreaser: ChuDogg: (historically protecting the State Department fell under the duties of the USMC)

Say what? DSS mean anything to you?


He might be referring to MSG
 
2012-09-05 08:38:57 AM

BronyMedic: He taught me a really valuable lesson that I still hold onto today when dealing with people who claim to have been in the "Special Forces" of any branch: The ones that actually were don't brag about it for the most part. They either don't want you to know, or don't like to talk about it.


This. I met/worked with a few SEALs/ex-SEALs during my time in the Navy. If you weren't a member of their team, they wouldn't even tell you what they had for lunch, much less what they'd been doing on ops.
 
2012-09-05 08:39:07 AM

ZipSplat: You don't even have the context in which to understand what you are seeing. You just see people with guns running around shooting alongside the military, so you're assuming that must mean that they're performing the same duty across the spectrum. The contractors either live at or are protecting a principle visiting that FOB, and being that it is under attack they are working alongside the military there to repel the attack.


Are you going to acknowledge that this was not PSD?

I know full well what I'm looking at: A bunch of guys who are not professional soldiers, who are not working directly for the U.S. government, engaged in military operations. A FOB is NOT a private operation, it is military base.

I'm just not rationalizing the hell out of it.
 
2012-09-05 08:39:46 AM

Giltric: If only the SEAL had used wikileaks to get the truth out there.......and if only the lying president had been a republican,then we would be praising the SEAL.

The SEAL doesnt have alot going for him....I mean hes not even a homosexual like Manning.


Manning is in prison. Maybe we should stick this traitor in the same cell with him - since their acts are equivalent.
 
2012-09-05 08:40:23 AM

KiplingKat872: Are you going to acknowledge that this was not PSD?

I know full well what I'm looking at: A bunch of guys who are not professional soldiers, who are not working directly for the U.S. government, engaged in military operations. A FOB is NOT a private operation, it is military base.

I'm just not rationalizing the hell out of it.


No, you have no idea what you're looking at nor how to interpret it. Stay safe.
 
2012-09-05 08:40:39 AM

ZipSplat: Crotchrocket Slim: Yeah okay sure I believe you internet tough guy.

You're just words on a screen to me, and frankly you post nothing like the military personnel I grew up around would. If you're being honest here sorry for calling you out on being an utter putz who never "got it". I'm guessing you were one of those "mall guard" types mentioned up thread?

No, I was definitely not a mall guard. What did you do? Hopefully you were at least a mall guard, because between you and the original poster I don't think either of you are in a position to inform me about the .mil

In any event, what he posted is inaccurate. The only service with regulations against wearing a utility uniform off base is the Marine Corps, they strongly request that you avoid wearing your uniform off base for anything more than putting gas in your tank to get home - but even for the Marine Corps all other uniforms are fine off base.


I only make grandiose claims about my life experience in jest, whether they are true or not. Your attitude doesn't impress me and in fact flies in the face of every IRL experience I've ever had with a serving or retired service member, Marines included. I never served and I don't make utterly unverifiable claims just to further "sell" my credibility and thus any argument I make. I'd rather just make the argument.

BTW if you bothered to read his post, he wasn't talking about mil regulations, he was talking about military culture. You know, that thing you learn about while actually serving? That thing my uncles who spent the early part of the second Iraq war dodging IEDs while running supplies to front line bases made sure I understood? Even if you served I'm farking glad you aren't now apparently, as you would have been a huge embarrassment to everyone else in that uniform.

You never responded to trotsky about hat color is the boat house in Hereford either. (BTW trots if I weren't opposed to TF on principle I'd sponsor you just for that Ronin reference; one of the most underrated films ever.)
 
2012-09-05 08:40:40 AM

CMYK and PMS: CMYK and PMS: It is Obama's only accomplishment

Sorry, what?

Putting slowly turning the economy around despite constant obstructionism from the GOP, This is a talking point that just isn't true.

in foriegn policy terms:

He assisted the revolution in Libya without getting us directly involved in a ground war there. We got involved in a civil war where we don't even know who we were backing. Replacing a government in another country is not our job especially with one that may be worse

He removed most of the troops from Iraq so they could focus on the war in Afghanistan. Pretty much according to the withdrawal plan laid out by Bush

He has kept the tensions with Iran from exploding into war. This is just absurd

He has not kowtowed to Israel. I don't know how this could be viewed as an accomplishment even if it were true

He has took an aggressive military posture toward North Korea when they sank South Korea Navy ship. which has accomplished fark-all

Love it or hate it, he has taken a strong position about eliminating Taliban camps on the Pakistan side. the US has no business going into other countries and blowing things up. If he were a Republican you would view this as a negative

He solidified relations with Japan after the Tsunami by sending the USS Ronald Regan for disaster relief. And no other president ever sent relief to a country in distress. Were our relations with Japan bad? I didn't get that meno

He has at least partially repaired the U.S.'s reputation and standing on the Global Stage Hardly, we are now seen as a country that will murder our own citizens around the world with no trial


This is so full of right wing derp spin, I'm not even going to bother.
 
2012-09-05 08:41:40 AM

ZipSplat: No, you have no idea what you're looking at nor how to interpret it. Stay safe.


Really? According to your own words in the previous post, that is exactly what is happening.
 
2012-09-05 08:43:40 AM

CMYK and PMS:
He has at least partially repaired the U.S.'s reputation and standing on the Global Stage Hardly, we are now seen as a country that will murder our own citizens around the world with no trial


From where I'm sitting (Western Europe), the US reputation is MUCH better under Obama than it was under Bush.
They don't know all that much about Romney other than 'rich businessman', and at least here the only stuff I've seen about Ryan was about how full of lies his speech was. Just what I've observed here in Holland.
 
2012-09-05 08:43:48 AM

Crotchrocket Slim: BTW if you bothered to read his post, he wasn't talking about mil regulations, he was talking about military culture. You know, that thing you learn about while actually serving? That thing my uncles who spent the early part of the second Iraq war dodging IEDs while running supplies to front line bases made sure I understood? Even if you served I'm farking glad you aren't now apparently, as you would have been a huge embarrassment to everyone else in that uniform.


LOL, kid, go play in traffic. You and KiplingKat are both way outside of your respective elements.
 
2012-09-05 08:44:32 AM
Well duh, you have a gang of 14 year old FPS addicts in adult bodies. These aren't James Bond style assassins.
 
2012-09-05 08:46:10 AM

shotglasss: Maybe the guy just wanted to set the record straight. Maybe he just wanted his team to stop being used as a political football.


A "political football" LOL right. We've barely heard of these guys since the raid. Until this guy needed to write a book to restores his "honor" or some damn thing.

More likely that that a member of the precious snowflake generation wasn't able to do his life-changing mission without getting praise and a trophy for it. HE never agreed to keep secrets! How will people ever know what a great guy he is that way??
 
2012-09-05 08:48:01 AM

EnviroDude: The account by the writer differs from the administrations press release? Color me shocked! ( sarcasm off )


Because a republic*nt administration would have done it better? I don't think so. If I recall right, it was a republic*nt that gave up looking for OBL. Take your whiny ass over to freeperland where it can get some love.
 
2012-09-05 08:48:31 AM

Science_Guy_3.14159: You do know every branch of the military has an unwritten rule that you can't wear your uniform if you aren't on base or on active duty, except at special events like parades, weddings and funerals. I think for the Marines this is an actual law they have to follow.


At my very first Drill in the National Guard, before I even reported for Basic, that was given to us verbally as a direct order.

Never wear the uniform unless you are in a paid status (i.e. active duty or drill/annual training), or at a patriotic, ceremonial or military function where it is appropriate. Don't wear the uniform to just be out and about walking around in it, don't wear it to go out deer hunting or mudding in your four-wheeler, don't wear it anywhere you wouldn't want your Commander or First Sergeant to see you wearing it, don't wear it anywhere you wouldn't want it to show up on the front page of the local paper or on the TV news wearing it.

Reviewing AR-670-1 Wear and Appearance of Army Uniforms and Insignia, it states in Section 1-10 (2) j. that "Wearing Army uniforms is prohibited in the following situations:
(1) In connection with the furtherance of any political or commercial interests, or when engaged in off-duty civilian employment.
(2) When participating in public speeches, interviews, picket lines, marches, rallies, or public demonstrations, except as authorized by competent authority.
(3) When attending any meeting or event that is a function of, or is sponsored by, an extremist organization.
(4) When wearing the uniform would bring discredit upon the Army.
(5) When specifically prohibited by Army regulations."

The last one is a little funny, since it IS the Army regulation on when not to wear the uniform, but I guess they mean that if it happens to be mentioned to not do it in another regulation, that counts too.
 
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