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(NBC News)   Commander of Naval Special Warfare Command tells Navy SEALS to shut the hell up. "For an Elite Force that should be humble and disciplined for life, we are certainly not appearing to be so"   (usnews.nbcnews.com) divider line 317
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2012-09-05 06:52:05 AM  
Maybe the guy just wanted to set the record straight. Maybe he just wanted his team to stop being used as a political football.
 
2012-09-05 06:54:06 AM  

Cubansaltyballs: This guy wants his millions, and the DoD will likely take his money, but I sense he was also angling for a Fox News job or a role on the Republican speaking circuit.


Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I read (embarrassed to say FauxNews; was curious of their spin on the matter) he's donating all proceeds to charities that benefit US Armed Forces.
 
2012-09-05 06:54:59 AM  

alienated: What Science_Guy_3.14159 said. Most SF types tend to keep a low, low profile and not, well, brag and crap or write a book until at least 30 years after the fact of an op. UCMJ and all, and stuff 

go ahead, armchair special ops types, tell me i am wrong, but please- include your class number so i can prove you are not, nor have even been a real specop


I can't, it's classified. Besides, I have to get to the Core gym in 26 minutes.
 
2012-09-05 06:55:24 AM  
I don't care if the guy was unarmed, and juggling cats while wearing a traffic cone on his head and getting his balls shaved while singing "Wont you be my neighbor". He was a scumbag terrorist, who killed thousands of people through his orders, and had no regard for human life beyond his derpfest of religious fanaticism. This was a asshole who was happy to send others to die while he lived on, getting pretty much whatever he wanted. We had zero intention of taking him prisoner, as all the islamic fundies would go even more retard than they already do. This was a kill mission, and everyone knows it, and not a shiat was given for this poor excuse for a human life. I'm buying the book as i would like to know more details about how they ganked his sorry ass, and fed him to the sharks. Photos would be nice, but whatever.
 
2012-09-05 06:55:42 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: The Commander of the Naval Special Warfare Department tells the NAVY SEALS to show more discretion and be more humble... also not to brake the law and leak classified information. I don't see the problem with this. You do know every branch of the military has an unwritten rule that you can't wear your uniform if you aren't on base or on active duty, except at special events like parades, weddings and funerals. I think for the Marines this is an actual law they have to follow.

Believe it or not most military people, enlisted men and officers, are quite humble and disciplined and get quite upset when they see another soldier that isn't.


Just... stop talking.
 
2012-09-05 06:57:49 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: Believe it or not most military people, enlisted men and officers, are quite humble and disciplined and get quite upset when they see another soldier that isn't.


When we were short on manpower in Iraq and using the Marines as middle-east mall cops (I guess the infantry was busy? who knows) the Corps lowered their recruiting standards to the level of... well, rent-a-cops. They may have been an elite force in the past, but nowadays they're not really spec anything, just generic security forces that can be, and regularly are, subbed for by merc organizations like Blackwater.

//Meanwhile, the navy can still blow a mite off a fly's wing with a 400mm cannon from eight miles off without harming the fly, and the air force dominates so hard that they don't even particularly need pilots to blow up your house.

//Not that there's anything wrong with generic security forces, I've met some TSA guys that are quite nice and respectable people.
 
2012-09-05 06:59:04 AM  

alienated: What Science_Guy_3.14159 said. Most SF types tend to keep a low, low profile and not, well, brag and crap or write a book until at least 30 years after the fact of an op. UCMJ and all, and stuff 

go ahead, armchair special ops types, tell me i am wrong, but please- include your class number so i can prove you are not, nor have even been a real specop


I had a ex-SEAL as a close personal friend and it was more than two years into that relationship before i knew what he'd been. I knew he was ex-military but that was it, and it was only a sidelong passing comment about something, combined with me knowing something via another friend that wasn't general public knowledge, that led me to figure it out. He didn't deny it when i asked him, it wasn't like he was trying to keep it secret, it's just not something he ever talked about
 
2012-09-05 06:59:12 AM  

BronyMedic: BullBearMS: All you have to do is admit that we never had any intention whatsoever of taking this guy captive.

And I'm perfectly ok with this. I doubt we'd have taken Hitler alive either.


Of the handful of Muslim friends I have, all have said the world is a better place w/o OBL. None have any problems with the US operation that resulted in his death (as far as they've discussed with me).
 
2012-09-05 07:03:50 AM  

Jim_Callahan: When we were short on manpower in Iraq and using the Marines as middle-east mall cops (I guess the infantry was busy? who knows) the Corps lowered their recruiting standards to the level of... well, rent-a-cops. They may have been an elite force in the past, but nowadays they're not really spec anything, just generic security forces that can be, and regularly are, subbed for by merc organizations like Blackwater.


Blackwater does PSD and logistics support. You're really defining down the term "mercenary" if you apply it to them. And no, "merc organizations" - I don't know what shiatty B-movie taught you to refer to them as that - do not carry out the Marine Corps' mission unless you're counting PSD for diplomats.
 
2012-09-05 07:06:14 AM  
The Democratic party should continue with the attacks on the SEALs. It shows real backbone and is surely a winning strategy.
 
2012-09-05 07:06:19 AM  
The official said that a recent movie starring actual Navy SEALs and even the growing number of "SEAL" workout videos have all added up to too much information about the community out in the public arena.

I'm pretty sure the Navy gave full cooperation for that movie, considering it started out as a recruitment video. Oh and I'm sure those special pull ups show exactly how to perform room clearing techniques.

pull-up-bar-reviews.com

Oh so THAT'S how you killed Bin Laden???
 
2012-09-05 07:06:39 AM  

digistil: Of the handful of Muslim friends I have, all have said the world is a better place w/o OBL. None have any problems with the US operation that resulted in his death (as far as they've discussed with me).


All my Muslim ex-SEAL friends who did time in Al Qaeda agree that Barack Hussein Obama is probably not Hitler.

/ Did I get everything?
 
2012-09-05 07:08:09 AM  

PunGent: I can't, it's classified. Besides, I have to get to the Core gym in 26 minutes.


Make sure to work out your Corp.
 
2012-09-05 07:09:51 AM  
Someday, we'll learn to be a greater species.

And send our human scum to the prison world in another dimension.
 
2012-09-05 07:10:09 AM  
Translation of TFA: "Oh no. If we talk too much, people will realise that we are not comic book superheroes after all."

/now waiting for all the hero-worshippers to spit their dummies out
 
2012-09-05 07:10:26 AM  

mycatisposter: The Democratic party should continue with the attacks on the SEALs. It shows real backbone and is surely a winning strategy.


Your cat needs to lay off the catnip.
 
2012-09-05 07:10:27 AM  

BullBearMS: The major reason for political butthurt over this book seems to be that this guy says the mission was a lot more about kill than about "kill or capture".

"No Easy Day," the new pseudonymous book revealed to be by Navy SEAL Mark Bissonnette, claims that Osama bin Laden was unarmed when shot at his Abbottabad compound last May. That's another key discrepancy in a story that's already changed several times since the initial days after Obama, to much acclaim, announced the killing of the Al Qaeda leader.

If you remember, the initial story was that when Bin Laden was shot, he was firing weapons while hiding behind one of his wives who he used as a human shield.


Sounds like you want to pal around with terrorists. Real Americans would have killed him with their bare hands if need be.
 
2012-09-05 07:13:39 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: The official said that a recent movie starring actual Navy SEALs and even the growing number of "SEAL" workout videos have all added up to too much information about the community out in the public arena.

I'm pretty sure the Navy gave full cooperation for that movie, considering it started out as a recruitment video. Oh and I'm sure those special pull ups show exactly how to perform room clearing techniques.

[pull-up-bar-reviews.com image 380x380]

Oh so THAT'S how you killed Bin Laden???


I was thinking of the other perfect pushup...
 
2012-09-05 07:14:02 AM  
The government is doing a whole lot of screaming and zero in the way of legal action. This tells me that the government is full of shiat and all about politics.
 
2012-09-05 07:15:39 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: You do know every branch of the military has an unwritten rule-


devcentral.f5.com
 
2012-09-05 07:15:50 AM  
Hmmm. I wonder if President Oiho has got the memo? Lead by example I say!!! But when the only thing you have for four years of leading the country is killing Bin Laden, ruining the economy and adding trillions of dollars to the deficit....
 
2012-09-05 07:17:42 AM  
is it not weird that the DOD is complaining about this book at all?
the DOD and the administration have been leaking these details for propaganda purposes since just a few hours after the event.
how long was it before we saw the picture of the situation room full of all the apprehensive political officials?
files.abovetopsecret.com
this account from august is chocked full of administration and DOD personnel leaks.
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2011/08/08/110808fa_fact_schmidle ?c urrentPage=all
just search for the word official in that article. there are dozens of references to various, administration, coutnerterrorism, and DOD officials who provided the details of the story to the author.
it doesn't seem to me that you should be able to break the rules you are supposed to be enforcing and observing about secrecy for political or organizational gain then claim the guy who actually put his life on the line in the mission is an asshole for talking about what happened.
make up your mind about whether talking about this is bad and then stick with whatever you decide.
 
2012-09-05 07:18:35 AM  

bdub77: Mark Owen is just a pseudonym for Barack Obama. Follow me here.

Look at it: MARK OWEN - BARACK OBAMA

Take out the BAC, garbage letters (or bank of america, which funded Obama in 2008) and you get ARK.

Take out BAA (Banro corporation, which is an outfit out of the Congo - Africa! Kenya! Obama!) and you have MO. MARK O.

Obama is not only trying to claim he personally killed Osama Bin Laden, but he's also letting out important national security matters. This must end!


I've read other scenarios online that are far, far more outlandish.

BTW less than three this rear admiral, though I think its time we changed the title of "rear admiral" to something else like maybe "lieutenant admiral" or something.
 
2012-09-05 07:18:51 AM  
But no prosecutions. Notice that.

One of these loudmouths needs to go to prison.
 
2012-09-05 07:19:11 AM  
I wonder how Bradley Manning feels about all this?
 
2012-09-05 07:20:36 AM  

Mean Daddy: Hmmm. I wonder if President Oiho has got the memo? Lead by example I say!!! But when the only thing you have for four years of leading the country is killing Bin Laden, ruining the economy and adding trillions of dollars to the deficit....


That said:

images.sodahead.com
 
2012-09-05 07:21:14 AM  

MurphyMurphy: I wonder how Bradley Manning feels about all this?


You got a Wikileak? Here's some SEALant for that...
 
2012-09-05 07:21:31 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: The Commander of the Naval Special Warfare Department tells the NAVY SEALS to show more discretion and be more humble... also not to brake the law and leak classified information. I don't see the problem with this. You do know every branch of the military has an unwritten rule that you can't wear your uniform if you aren't on base or on active duty, except at special events like parades, weddings and funerals. I think for the Marines this is an actual law they have to follow.

Believe it or not most military people, enlisted men and officers, are quite humble and disciplined and get quite upset when they see another soldier that isn't.


That's actually a written rule for the Marine Corps and the Navy. And I've tried making sense of the "Order of the Day" and what uniform can be worn when and where and...I had to drink. Too much regulation for a uniform, I think.

/Almost joined the Navy
//Would have gone to OCS
///Probably would be an O-3 by now
////Oh well
 
2012-09-05 07:22:45 AM  
If he revealed any classified information in violation of the non-disclosure agreement, which he signed, he should be charged and tried. Simple as that.

If he wants to make money off of his service, he should take a screen writing class and write some jingoistic, rah, rah bullshiat for Hollywood and make a killing. Plenty of people in this country will eat that shiat up.
 
2012-09-05 07:23:25 AM  

maram500: That's actually a written rule for the Marine Corps and the Navy.


I think people use the adjective "unwritten" a lot like they use the adjective "literally".
 
2012-09-05 07:23:30 AM  

Science_Guy_3.14159: The Commander of the Naval Special Warfare Department tells the NAVY SEALS to show more discretion and be more humble... also not to brake the law and leak classified information. I don't see the problem with this. You do know every branch of the military has an unwritten rule that you can't wear your uniform if you aren't on base or on active duty, except at special events like parades, weddings and funerals. I think for the Marines this is an actual law they have to follow.

Believe it or not most military people, enlisted men and officers, are quite humble and disciplined and get quite upset when they see another soldier that isn't.


Heh... I still wear socks with my sandals to this day. Dress code prohibited lots of things, one of which was bear feet in public, even at a beach. I have no idea if the regulations are the same now or not. This also, obviously, only mattered off-base and when not in the field. In the field I'll wear whatever I feel I need to so as to follow my orders as efficiently and effectively as possible. So, in answer, yes - the Marines required us to not wear our uniform (or any portion of it) when off duty except for certain exceptions and, even those, if you wore a single piece of the uniform you'd better have the rest of that same uniform on and it had better be squared away.

I don't really miss it. It has been years. Some habits remain (of course) and I still maintain my firearm skills but that's mostly because I like things that go boom. I have the rack squared away when I get out of it unless the missus is still in it. Sometimes I still eat "chow" or go to the "head" and the likes but, no... Mostly that's all gone though it took a long time. I only did eight years and a lot of years have passed since then, as I near 60 I tend to look back and be grateful that I got out early. I'm not sure what sort of mental mess I'd be if I'd done the full 20 or even 30.
 
2012-09-05 07:26:02 AM  

ZipSplat: Science_Guy_3.14159: The Commander of the Naval Special Warfare Department tells the NAVY SEALS to show more discretion and be more humble... also not to brake the law and leak classified information. I don't see the problem with this. You do know every branch of the military has an unwritten rule that you can't wear your uniform if you aren't on base or on active duty, except at special events like parades, weddings and funerals. I think for the Marines this is an actual law they have to follow.

Believe it or not most military people, enlisted men and officers, are quite humble and disciplined and get quite upset when they see another soldier that isn't.

Just... stop talking.


Yeah he makes jackasses like you look bad. Can't have that.
 
2012-09-05 07:26:41 AM  

Tat'dGreaser: The official said that a recent movie starring actual Navy SEALs and even the growing number of "SEAL" workout videos have all added up to too much information about the community out in the public arena.

I'm pretty sure the Navy gave full cooperation for that movie, considering it started out as a recruitment video. Oh and I'm sure those special pull ups show exactly how to perform room clearing techniques.

[pull-up-bar-reviews.com image 380x380]

Oh so THAT'S how you killed Bin Laden???


Well, you have to crawl before you walk, right?
 
2012-09-05 07:31:46 AM  

orbister: Translation of TFA: "Oh no. If we talk too much, people will realise that we are not comic book superheroes after all."

/now waiting for all the hero-worshippers to spit their dummies out


More like they don't want to contribute to the comic bookish mythology of SEALs/Special Forces/etc. being superhuman badasses and/or it really is mega-crass for someone to serve in such a capacity and then try to cash in on this after their service has ended.
 
2012-09-05 07:35:41 AM  

BullBearMS: alienated: BullBearMS: All you have to do is admit that we never had any intention whatsoever of taking this guy captive.

well, duh. What could we have done ? I mean, besides making a stain on the walls out of him. Could we, even as a nation ruled by law, had a trial ? I am not being facetious here.I see no other solution except his summary execution. armed or not is immaterial at this point. Laden was a cancer and needed to be excised . By any and all means at our disposal. Cold ? yep. I would have done the same to McViegh, given the chance.

I'm of two minds on this one.

Obviously, the most convenient outcome for us was that he be killed instead of captured.

However, England, Spain, and India somehow managed to give public trials in a court of law to the people behind their recent terrorist attacks. I'm pretty sure if they can manage it, we can too. We're supposed to be all about the rule of law here in America.


American Exceptionalism?
 
2012-09-05 07:37:49 AM  

david_gaithersburg: The government is doing a whole lot of screaming and zero in the way of legal action. This tells me that the government is full of shiat and all about politics.


There really is no legal action the government could take here, and even if there was wouldn't that be pretty creepy in and of itself?

You continue to be full of shiat and all about politics.
 
2012-09-05 07:39:40 AM  
This is hardcore corps.
 
2012-09-05 07:39:44 AM  
righttruth.typepad.com

I learned it from watching you.
 
2012-09-05 07:46:35 AM  

alienated: What Science_Guy_3.14159 said. Most SF types tend to keep a low, low profile and not, well, brag and crap or write a book until at least 30 years after the fact of an op. UCMJ and all, and stuff 

go ahead, armchair special ops types, tell me i am wrong, but please- include your class number so i can prove you are not, nor have even been a real specop


Not a special forces type, but you are correct. When the SAS Trooper "Pete/" "Soldier I" came forward and talked to the press about the Iranian Embassy Siege (and I don't think he forward with it as fast as this), he was blackballed from the S.A.S. He is persona non-grata to them to this day.
 
2012-09-05 07:47:46 AM  
Sorry, I meant "he came forward as soon as this..." I think it was after he left the Regiment, in fact.
 
2012-09-05 07:48:58 AM  
"Over the next few weeks, Pybus will speak to senior leaders about how to stop the trend of former SEALS profiting from their time in uniform."

Unlike talking head Generals opining on the news or Wesley Clark and his Stars earn Stripes. We don't want the NCOs thinking they can make a profit after their hitch.
 
2012-09-05 07:49:13 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: More like they don't want to contribute to the comic bookish mythology of SEALs/Special Forces/etc. being superhuman badasses and/or it really is mega-crass for someone to serve in such a capacity and then try to cash in on this after their service has ended.


More like they don't want to reveal classified information and tactics to the public and therefore to their enemies.
 
2012-09-05 07:51:24 AM  

BullBearMS: alienated: Cubansaltyballs: This guy wants his millions, and the DoD will likely take his money, but I sense he was also angling for a Fox News job or a role on the Republican speaking circuit.

Ha. Indeed. I can see it now- Coming to you, live from Fort Leavenworth ....

Pointing out that the people up top have been lying to the public about how things went down right before an election has a tendency to piss those at the top off.

However, they changed the official story of what happened so frequently and so fast that it was already pretty obvious that they were obfuscating the truth.

All you have to do is admit that we never had any intention whatsoever of taking this guy captive.


Assassination and using intelligence gathered by torture is OK when The One does it.
 
2012-09-05 07:51:25 AM  

KiplingKat872: Crotchrocket Slim: More like they don't want to contribute to the comic bookish mythology of SEALs/Special Forces/etc. being superhuman badasses and/or it really is mega-crass for someone to serve in such a capacity and then try to cash in on this after their service has ended.

More like they don't want to reveal classified information and tactics to the public and therefore to their enemies.


Definitely that too.
 
2012-09-05 07:51:35 AM  
Nothing in the book was terribly damning
and we have congress perpetually sharing secrets to the media

so I give this a meh
 
2012-09-05 07:52:46 AM  

SkunkWerks: maram500: That's actually a written rule for the Marine Corps and the Navy.

I think people use the adjective "unwritten" a lot like they use the adjective "literally".


I think those people are "retarded."
 
2012-09-05 07:53:34 AM  

Tuxedocat: "Over the next few weeks, Pybus will speak to senior leaders about how to stop the trend of former SEALS profiting from their time in uniform."

Unlike talking head Generals opining on the news or Wesley Clark and his Stars earn Stripes. We don't want the NCOs thinking they can make a profit after their hitch.


...but but but generals suck so it's okay if SEALs etc. suck.

What's the rank on the uniform you put your strawman in?
 
2012-09-05 07:54:48 AM  

Crotchrocket Slim: Yeah he makes jackasses like you look bad. Can't have that.


In what way did that happen?
 
2012-09-05 07:55:22 AM  
More propaganda; book was probably written by the White House staff.
 
2012-09-05 07:55:34 AM  

maram500: Science_Guy_3.14159: The Commander of the Naval Special Warfare Department tells the NAVY SEALS to show more discretion and be more humble... also not to brake the law and leak classified information. I don't see the problem with this. You do know every branch of the military has an unwritten rule that you can't wear your uniform if you aren't on base or on active duty, except at special events like parades, weddings and funerals. I think for the Marines this is an actual law they have to follow.

Believe it or not most military people, enlisted men and officers, are quite humble and disciplined and get quite upset when they see another soldier that isn't.

That's actually a written rule for the Marine Corps and the Navy. And I've tried making sense of the "Order of the Day" and what uniform can be worn when and where and...I had to drink. Too much regulation for a uniform, I think.

/Almost joined the Navy
//Would have gone to OCS
///Probably would be an O-3 by now
////Oh well


In the Army we wore our duty uniform all over town. When I lived with my sister, who was a Marine, she was always very annoyed that she couldn't stop off at the grocery store near her house after work because she wasn't allowed to do things off base in her uniform. She babbled something about respecting the uniform and ensuring civilians didn't see them doing anything improper while wearing it. Seemed silly to me, especially in a military town.
 
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