The Commander of the Naval Special Warfare Department tells the NAVY SEALS to show more discretion and be more humble... also not to brake the law and leak classified information. I don't see the problem with this. You do know every branch of the military has an unwritten rule that you can't wear your uniform if you aren't on base or on active duty, except at special events like parades, weddings and funerals. I think for the Marines this is an actual law they have to follow.

Believe it or not most military people, enlisted men and officers, are quite humble and disciplined and get quite upset when they see another soldier that isn't.

That swift boat sure ran aground, didn't it?

Makes sense to me.

Follow-Up?

Needs a damned HERO tag.

If I were a Navy seal I would do a cute synchronized horn blowing thing and clap my flappers until I had my fill of herring.

brap: If I were a Navy seal I would do a cute synchronized horn blowing thing and clap my flappers until I had my fill of herring.

Well played.

Mark Owen is just a pseudonym for Barack Obama. Follow me here.

Look at it: MARK OWEN - BARACK OBAMA

Take out the BAC, garbage letters (or bank of america, which funded Obama in 2008) and you get ARK.

Take out BAA (Banro corporation, which is an outfit out of the Congo - Africa! Kenya! Obama!) and you have MO. MARK O.

Obama is not only trying to claim he personally killed Osama Bin Laden, but he's also letting out important national security matters. This must end!

Mentat: That swift boat sure ran aground, didn't it?

I'm getting a whiff of an election season hit piece myself. Though of course it could simply be an attention whoring money grab.

alienated: What Science_Guy_3.14159 said. Most SF types tend to keep a low, low profile and not, well, brag and crap or write a book until at least 30 years after the fact of an op. UCMJ and all, and stuff 

go ahead, armchair special ops types, tell me i am wrong, but please- include your class number so i can prove you are not, nor have even been a real specop

I think this guy thought someone would be as greedy and a big a douchebag as he is and he needed to cash in before someone could beat him to it. I think the guy broke his oath and his word and the idea that you're not supposed to talk in detail about the things you do. I work in network security and have seen some wild sh*t, but I would never tell anyone details about a customer's network or give any info that could identify a customer, whether I have a contract telling me that or not.

There are things you just don't talk about because it's expected to be private.

This guy wants his millions, and the DoD will likely take his money, but I sense he was also angling for a Fox News job or a role on the Republican speaking circuit.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If they wanted to be careful, they'd have joined the Coast Guard.

The Coast Guard does an insane amount of dangerous shiat on a near daily basis.

BullBearMS: alienated: Cubansaltyballs: This guy wants his millions, and the DoD will likely take his money, but I sense he was also angling for a Fox News job or a role on the Republican speaking circuit.

Ha. Indeed. I can see it now- Coming to you, live from Fort Leavenworth ....

Pointing out that the people up top have been lying to the public about how things went down right before an election has a tendency to piss those at the top off.

However, they changed the official story of what happened so frequently and so fast that it was already pretty obvious that they were obfuscating the truth.

All you have to do is admit that we never had any intention whatsoever of taking this guy captive.

WTF are you blubbering about? OK, so there were differences in the reports about exactly what happened. Have you ever in your life managed to read and understand a single word of a book about military history? In case they're beyond your comprehension, here's a little cheat sheet: "Early battlefield reports sometimes are inaccurate and subject to later revision. Rinse and repeat a million times throughout recorded history."

BullBearMS: However, England, Spain, and India somehow managed to give public trials in a court of law to the people behind their recent terrorist attacks. I'm pretty sure if they can manage it, we can too. We're supposed to be all about the rule of law here in America.

They also didn't contaminate most of their evidence by torturing detainees and holding them for years without trial.

/as far as we know, anyway.

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: If they wanted to be careful, they'd have joined the Coast Guard.

Way to shat on our servicemen, Republican scum.


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BronyMedic: alienated: go ahead, armchair special ops types, tell me i am wrong, but please- include your class number so i can prove you are not, nor have even been a real specop

My Grandfather was enlisted Naval Intelligence in Vietnam, and served on the Camp David security staff. (I have his white house medals and service records to prove it. Along with some really interesting gifts from Eisenhower, Kennedy, and Johnson's staff)

He taught me a really valuable lesson that I still hold onto today when dealing with people who claim to have been in the "Special Forces" of any branch: The ones that actually were don't brag about it for the most part. They either don't want you to know, or don't like to talk about it.

Y'know, my grandfather was on a Presidential security detail, too.
Of course, the president was Batista, but still...

"We'll hunt down bin Laden wherever he's hiding."
"Well, we're not really that concerned about finding him."
"Of course killing bin Laden was what anyone would've done."
"Obama shouldn't have had bin Laden killed, he should've been brought to the U.S. for a proper trial."
"Oh no, we can't possibly bring suspected terrorists to the U.S. for trial."
"Obama is stupid to try to close Gitmo."
"Why didn't Obama close Gitmo like he promised?"

BronyMedic: BullBearMS: All you have to do is admit that we never had any intention whatsoever of taking this guy captive.

And I'm perfectly ok with this. I doubt we'd have taken Hitler alive either.

Yep. Bastard taunted us more than two times. Resistance or execution, I don't care.

BullBearMS: propasaurus: "Why didn't Obama close Gitmo like he promised?"

Obama never even tried to close Gitmo. He tried to move it onto US soil (where we would continue to hold people forever without even filing charges) as if the whole problem with Gitmo was that it was located in the Caribbean. Damned warm tropical breezes!

In ordering the federal government to acquire an Illinois prison to house terrorism suspects who are currently held at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, President Obama on Tuesday took a major step toward shutting down the military detention facility that its detractors say had become a potent recruitment tool for Al Qaeda.

Administration officials acknowledged that the move would require Congressional approval, since Congress now bars Guantánamo detainees from being brought onto American soil unless they face prosecution, and some of the detainees may be indefinitely confined without being tried.

Holding people forever without even charging them with a crime is the problem. Not that it's happening in Cuba. Moving Gitmo onto US soil does not fix the problem.

Here's what the ACLU had to say:

The following can be attributed to Anthony D. Romero, Executive Director of the ACLU:

"The creation of a 'Gitmo North' in Illinois is hardly a meaningful step forward. Shutting down Guantánamo will be nothing more than a symbolic gesture if we continue its lawless policies onshore.

"Alarmingly, all indications are that the administration plans to continue its predecessor's policy of indefinite detention without charge or trial for some detainees, with only a change of location. Such a policy is completely at odds with our democratic commitment to due process and human rights whether it's occurring in Cuba or in Illinois. In fact, while the Obama administration inherited the Guantánamo debacle, this current move is its own affirmative adoption of those policies. It is unimaginable that the Obama administration is using the same justification as the Bush administration ...

I think the problem is that any information from the prisoners is compromised by Bush's enhanced interrogation techniques. We're stuck with these prisoners.

alienated: simplicimus: I think the problem is that any information from the prisoners is compromised by Bush's enhanced interrogation techniques. We're stuck with these prisoners.

yer overthinking it. space them .

Well, NASA needs something to do, so that might just work.

BullBearMS: alienated: simplicimus: I think the problem is that any information from the prisoners is compromised by Bush's enhanced interrogation techniques. We're stuck with these prisoners.

yer overthinking it. space them .

How about we do something radical, like follow the rule of law.

Prosecute those guilty of the enhanced interrogation techniques.

We are party to international treaties that make this a requirement that we cannot legally ignore. Obama's "Look forward, not back on torture" is purest illegal bullshiat.

Then we either charge the people in Gitmo (and our other political prisons in places like Bagram, Afghanistan) with crimes or we let them go. Just as the rule of law requires.

It would help if people don't freak the fark out when its announced terrorists like Khalid Sheikh Mohammed are going to be tried in New York.

Both sides are bad, so vote Ron Paul

/I'm not even sure if I'm serious

alienated: BullBearMS: Then we either charge the people in Gitmo (and our other political prisons in places like Bagram, Afghanistan) with crimes or we let them go. Just as the rule of law requires.

Agreed. But, to be perfectly honest- i am really dfrunk and also i do not see how they can get a trial if nobody lets them have one.

Well, any public defender could get them freed, and Bush and Cheney would be at the Hague.

BullBearMS: alienated: BullBearMS: Then we either charge the people in Gitmo (and our other political prisons in places like Bagram, Afghanistan) with crimes or we let them go. Just as the rule of law requires.

Agreed. But, to be perfectly honest- i am really dfrunk and also i do not see how they can get a trial if nobody lets them have one.

Well, as we have seen going way back to Nixon's pardon and all the way up to Obama' refusal to prosecute those guilty of torture (even when the people we tortured freaking died of it), neither of the two parties is interested in the rule of law anymore.

We need another option.

Well, that's why I've been advocating the creation of a third party, from school boards up to congress, starting on the day after election day, because half the country will already be pissed off. Just need a name for it.

The account by the writer differs from the administrations press release? Color me shocked! ( sarcasm off )

Bit'O'Gristle: Although i applaud those men and women who are SEAL members, as i know the training is tough and the missions dangerous, I would have to say i have no problem with this guy writing a book about his experiences. If he's not giving up state secrets, or tactical information that would interfere with upcoming operations, what is the harm? This is still America kinda, and he has a right to write a book about anything he wants.

America kinda? Doubleplus ungood!