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2012-09-04 08:59:37 PM
I prefer using all natural whiskey.
 
2012-09-04 09:00:46 PM
There are many naturally occurring chemicals in the human body, subby. Overdosing on many of them is just as dangerous as overdosing on heroin
 
2012-09-04 09:09:46 PM
I first read that as "melanin" and had no idea where that sleeping pill reference was coming from.
 
2012-09-04 09:10:48 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: I first read that as "melanin" and had no idea where that sleeping pill reference was coming from.


They're so lazy
 
2012-09-04 09:14:27 PM
Damn. I suppose the urine capsules are not good either, even though the body naturally produces urine. And the feces tablets are comepletely out, as is the snot, vomit, and pus.
 
2012-09-04 09:14:30 PM
Funny thing is, all these kids seem to be doing just fine with sleep. They even grow up into adults, despite this terrible melatonin problem.
 
2012-09-04 09:18:48 PM
I take melatonin every night.

I love that shiat.
 
2012-09-04 09:19:16 PM
Sh*t is all natural.
 
2012-09-04 09:20:06 PM
My pediatrician actually recommended melatonin for my teenager when she was having trouble sleeping. She took it a while, got the sleep thing worked out and I hadn't thought of it since.

If say try other stuff first. If it doesn't work, try it for a while. Hopefully you won't make your kid dependent on it like these parents seem to be doing.
 
2012-09-04 09:23:45 PM
Lunesta > Ambien > Sonata
 
2012-09-04 09:25:38 PM
I'm one of those NyQuil abusers whom Vicks started making their stripped-down "Zzz-Quil" to please.

I honestly didn't think melatonin would work well, if at all. Then my mom dropped some off during a visit for me to try. Shiat actually works.

Now I mix it up between melatonin (when I've got time to let it kick in) and Zzz-Quil (for when I need to be asleep NOW!).

Nope. I don't sleep enough otherwise. Never have.
 
2012-09-04 09:26:00 PM

ArkAngel: There are many naturally occurring chemicals in the human body, subby. Overdosing on many of them is just as dangerous as overdosing on heroin


Came to say this.

If you have to resort to dosing your children with a drug, natural or otherwise, you've probably failed as a parent.

//Unless you're on a cross country flight. In that case, dose those kids with benedryl and let them sleep the whole flight.
 
2012-09-04 09:26:24 PM
mscleo:

I take melatonin every night.

I love that shiat.


Crazy dreams, no "hangover".
 
2012-09-04 09:26:28 PM
Ugh. Grammar fail. Sorry.
 
2012-09-04 09:26:56 PM
I'm happy to see subby's naturalistic fallacy pointed out.
 
2012-09-04 09:27:01 PM
Naturally occuring melatonin may be harmful to kids say docs who need to write enough sleeping pill prescriptions to buy that new boat

That's not at all what the article said, subby, you dumb fark. I'm all for better living through chemistry but feeding kids supplements of dubious efficacy may set them up for dependency later on.
 
2012-09-04 09:28:21 PM
Subby: Hey, drink this!

Farker: OK...Wait! that's hydrochloric acid! I'm not drinking that!

Subby: Don't worry. It's a naturally occurring substance. Your body makes it! How could it be bad for you?

Farker: ok, sounds reasonable to me...ow my esophagus!
 
2012-09-04 09:29:18 PM

mscleo: I take melatonin every night.

I love that shiat.


After battling insomnia and restless sleep for over a decade and being wholly dissatisfied with the side effects of OTC and prescription sleep aids I began taking melatonin around five years ago and, in my mind, the stuff is a miracle. I have no opinion about the concerns doctors are expressing about its use by children, but for adults I would unreservedly recommend it.
 
2012-09-04 09:32:16 PM
do NOT take this sh*t if you have asthma. i can attest to this from experience.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/09/030908070842.htm
 
2012-09-04 09:33:44 PM
Melatonin is a great sleep aid. A little goes a looong way. I assume the pharmaceutical companies can't get a patent and make billions on it so they have to drum up some false hysteria.

/seriously, if you have trouble sleeping or are trying to drink less I recommend it. take half of the lowest dose at first.
/dnrtfa
 
2012-09-04 09:42:05 PM

NarrMaster: mscleo:

I take melatonin every night.

I love that shiat.

Crazy dreams, no "hangover".


Straight up, Holmes, I love that stuff with a vengeance.
 
2012-09-04 09:43:10 PM

devilskware: Melatonin is a great sleep aid. A little goes a looong way. I assume the pharmaceutical companies can't get a patent and make billions on it so they have to drum up some false hysteria.

/seriously, if you have trouble sleeping or are trying to drink less I recommend it. take half of the lowest dose at first.
/dnrtfa


And if you're having trouble making it "work," try taking it right before you lie down for the night.

/the general 'you'
 
2012-09-04 09:44:23 PM
Nightly drugs:
10mg melatonin
600mg ibuprofen
500mg acetaminophen (with 25mg diphenhydramine)
1500mg vitamin C

On Friday and Saturday, I add another 50-75mg diphenhydramine

I still wake up 1-4 times a night during the week and once or twice on the weekend.

Any non-prescription suggestions?
 
2012-09-04 09:45:06 PM

splorp!: Nightly drugs:
10mg melatonin
600mg ibuprofen
500mg acetaminophen (with 25mg diphenhydramine)
1500mg vitamin C

On Friday and Saturday, I add another 50-75mg diphenhydramine

I still wake up 1-4 times a night during the week and once or twice on the weekend.

Any non-prescription suggestions?


Take less of that shiat so you don't have to pee so much at night.
 
2012-09-04 09:45:45 PM

Kuroshin: I'm one of those NyQuil abusers whom Vicks started making their stripped-down "Zzz-Quil" to please.

I honestly didn't think melatonin would work well, if at all. Then my mom dropped some off during a visit for me to try. Shiat actually works.

Now I mix it up between melatonin (when I've got time to let it kick in) and Zzz-Quil (for when I need to be asleep NOW!).

Nope. I don't sleep enough otherwise. Never have.


You do realize that all it is is Diphenhydramine. Which is benedryl. Its also the same thing in Tylenol Simply Sleep. Me, I take a dose of that (tho I buy 100 25mg pills from walmart for lil under 5 bucks), dose of valerian root, and 5mg of melatonin every night. Tkes about an hour and a half to fully kick in, but its literally the only thing that works for me and has worked consistantly for years.

And the mother giving the kid 3mg of melatonin...WTF!?!?! 1mg is more than enough for a child
 
2012-09-04 09:48:23 PM
At some point you might think Joe Consumer would ask himself "Is our species becoming increasingly defective at a positively alarming rate or do pharmaceutical companies and some doctors maybe have a dog in this hunt, however completely altruistic and totally not involving giant piles of cash that reason may be?".

Yeah, you might think that. You would be wrong.
 
2012-09-04 09:50:50 PM
I'm glad the article mentioned kids with autism and melatonin. I'm an atheist and I think its a godsend. My only advice is to start with the smallest does possible. A little goes a long way.

Melatonin is also handy if you've been drinking. Much better nights sleep.
 
2012-09-04 09:51:48 PM
If you really want to be natural. Live the paleolithic way. Absolutely NO light at night [not even cell phones] and constant bright blue sky for your awake periods. That is how your body makes its OWN melatonin. Also be sure that your nights are cooler than your days [air-conditioned offices are out] . Sadly, most of us cannot maintain that lifestyle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melatonin
 
2012-09-04 09:52:05 PM
I use 25mg Diphenhydramine (Benadryl) which works great. I sometimes take melatonin, but I tend to have very strange dreams, which is the side effect mentioned in the article. Not nightmares, just very weird dreams.
 
2012-09-04 09:54:40 PM
Even more importantly, the literature that says oral administration of melatonin helps humans at all is pretty spotty.
 
2012-09-04 09:55:26 PM
Subby clearly has no idea how difficult it is to get sleeping pills.

They treat ambien like an AK47 that shoots heroin.
 
2012-09-04 09:57:03 PM
Benadryl FTW
 
2012-09-04 09:57:16 PM
I used to have a terrible time sleeping. I also have seasonal depression. Last year I finally decided to try an antidepressant (citalopram) to see if it would help me survive the dreary Seattle winter. It did help with that a bit, but what I really liked is finally I was able to sleep through the night. In the last year and a half, ive probably had trouble sleeping maybe 3 or 4 times. I used to have trouble sleeping most every single night.
 
2012-09-04 09:59:21 PM

Kuroshin: I'm one of those NyQuil abusers whom Vicks started making their stripped-down "Zzz-Quil" to please.

I honestly didn't think melatonin would work well, if at all. Then my mom dropped some off during a visit for me to try. Shiat actually works.

Now I mix it up between melatonin (when I've got time to let it kick in) and Zzz-Quil (for when I need to be asleep NOW!).

Nope. I don't sleep enough otherwise. Never have.


you know that ZZZQuil is just Benedryl, which can be bought generic for almost nothing, right?
 
2012-09-04 10:05:05 PM
You do know we don't get paid for writing prescriptions, right?
 
2012-09-04 10:06:05 PM
I've been taking melatonin regularly for about 4 years now. I had terrible insomnia prior to taking it. Now, most nights I fall asleep and stay asleep all night. The only time my body overrides the melatonin is when I'm really stressed out. Then, nothing seems to put me to sleep, or let me stay asleep.
 
2012-09-04 10:07:56 PM
Secanol and a gram of chloral hydrate. Also not sleeping for the previous 48 hours.
 
2012-09-04 10:08:50 PM
soosh
"you know that ZZZQuil is just Benedryl, which can be bought generic for almost nothing, right?"

I just checked Amazon. 600 25mg for $9.
 
2012-09-04 10:13:32 PM
Take a prescription with known side-effects or take the 'natural' variety with unknown consequences. Your choice. But this does not mean that you should stop judging the choices of others. Go on. Judge.
 
2012-09-04 10:22:51 PM

splorp!: Nightly drugs:
10mg melatonin
600mg ibuprofen
500mg acetaminophen (with 25mg diphenhydramine)
1500mg vitamin C

On Friday and Saturday, I add another 50-75mg diphenhydramine

I still wake up 1-4 times a night during the week and once or twice on the weekend.

Any non-prescription suggestions?


do you have sleep apnea?
 
2012-09-04 10:27:12 PM

e lo: You do know we don't get paid for writing prescriptions, right?


Yes. We also know that you do get paid by your pharma reps for moving their product, more for using it exclusively. If you personally don't, you're either a paragon of virtue or an idiot..
 
2012-09-04 10:27:25 PM
Yeah, so arsenic is naturally occurring too. Is it safe? Just because something is 'naturally occurring', like let's say a volcanic eruption, doesn't mean that it is good for you.

And before you say that melatonin is naturally occurring in the human body, consider where the pill supplements come from. Do you think it is from human brains? Really?

Think "baaa baaa" and you're getting warmer. The last time I looked it up, I read that it is synthesized from goat brains. Notice how 'synthesized' doesn't mean the same as 'naturally occurring' here? But hey, maybe they've switched to harvesting it from human brains these days.

Anyway, speaking of science, "the doctors we spoke to agree" is hardly qualified to be in a journalistic article. There have been some studies on the adult use of melatonin. It's too bad the writer didn't mention any of those, though I'm at least glad he pointed out that the supplements aren't 'naturally occurring.'

Now, if you'll excuse me, its time for my nightly Ambien and Whiskey. Then, I need to be somewhere in 26 minutes.

//meme!
 
2012-09-04 10:29:42 PM

AcademGreen: Lunesta > Ambien > Sonata


Jesus, that's gotta be some intense dreams you have to wake up from 6 times before you're sure you're actually away.

Also fta: "I know it's hard," Dr. Johnson-Arbor says. "I know we all want our kids to sleep well at night, but sometimes a pill isn't always the answer."

Then what's with writing a farking pharmacy full of scrips for your patients? You mean A pill isn't, but 12 is right?
 
2012-09-04 10:30:14 PM
Trazodone: accept no substitutes.
 
2012-09-04 10:30:30 PM
*awake....away.....blah whatever. Sleep tight.
 
2012-09-04 10:34:22 PM
Took it for a few years, mainly because I was working nights and there were some articles about night workers, not sleeping in darkness, low melatonin, ect. Didn't notice too much of a difference too be honest. I don't know about giving a hormone to a child except for a last resort.

I just picture the parents in the article letting the kid sit on the couch getting amped up playing video games and drinking soda and sugar-juice until 10 minutes before bed and then the kid doesn't sleep. Healthy diet and make the kid run outside for a few hours, when the come inside they'll pass out.
 
2012-09-04 10:39:37 PM

Benevolent Misanthrope: Yes. We also know that you do get paid by your pharma reps for moving their product, more for using it exclusively. If you personally don't, you're either a paragon of virtue or an idiot..


Listen to me, I would take the money if it were there. I am NOT a paragon of virtue, and I tend to believe on most days that I'm not an idiot. This may have been true in the past (I have no idea), but doctors are not paid to write scripts.
 
2012-09-04 10:41:21 PM

AsprinBurn: Anyway, speaking of science, "the doctors we spoke to agree" is hardly qualified to be in a journalistic article.


Dude, it's KTVB. Not exactly a paragon of hard-hitting in depth journalism. But you can't expect too much from a local NBC affiliate, can you?
 
2012-09-04 10:48:09 PM

AcademGreen: Lunesta > Ambien > Sonata


Sonata + Doxepin, and Sonata can be taken if you wake up at like 3am.
 
2012-09-04 10:50:03 PM

CruJones: AcademGreen: Lunesta > Ambien > Sonata

Sonata + Doxepin, and Sonata can be taken if you wake up at like 3am.


Seriously, fark all that noise. TRAZODONE. It's like Ambien and Viagra got together and trazodone was their illegitimate sleep-boner baby.
 
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