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(Deadline)   CNN, MSNBC, and Fox had their RNC coverage topped in the ratings by none other than Comedy Central. Looks like more Americans really do trust Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert   (deadline.com) divider line 18
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2012-09-04 11:34:11 PM  
8 votes:
Well:

(1) They're literally more trustworthy, in that while they have a political agenda that drives what they focus on, the stuff that they focus on will in fact be fact instead of fabrication, and it will be related to actual policy in some way. This can't be said about any of the news networks at this point.

(2) The show's primary joke is to take something that a politician says, look back through various media archives, and directly reference their previous statements on the subject. The fact that this is so uncommon in "real" news that the simple fact that they do it counts as a joke tells you basically all you need to know about the reliability of 'serious' media. In the mid 1900s that would have been called "basic journalism" and it was what you did before you even started investigating.

(3) It's not about The Daily Show and Colbert Report being good. Having watched most of the raw footage/original coverage, there are certainly things they miss and points they fail to make. It's about everyone else being farking terrible at journalism at the moment. Sort of an allegory for how the Democratic party ain't great, but they look good because the GOP is uniformly horrible without exception. And in both cases it's the result of willful decisions, so I don't feel the need to pussyfoot about the issue. CNN/FN/etc aren't terrible because the science of journalism hasn't been worked out yet or because of some external factor beyond their control, it's because they made a conscious decision to prioritize sensational bullshiat over news.

//Which, you know, isn't a new thing for the news media, Yellow Journalism in the 1920s was just as bad. There being precedent for the news utterly failing to inform doesn't make it any less annoying, though.
//Sorry for wall of text, on an all-nighter at work and I'm hopped to the gills on coffee because I'm not young enough to do it on willpower alone anymore.
2012-09-04 11:51:39 PM  
3 votes:

T-Servo: Jim_Callahan: It's not about The Daily Show and Colbert Report being good. Having watched most of the raw footage/original coverage, there are certainly things they miss and points they fail to make. It's about everyone else being farking terrible at journalism at the moment.

This bears repeating, but sarcasm is also a powerful weapon. Colbert's 2006 speech is still epic.


that and Stewarts' smackdown of Crossfire's Tucker Carlson should be forever enshrined in the Smithsonian vaults.
2012-09-05 12:21:51 AM  
2 votes:
we should add an amendment to the constitution. the debates are mandatory for qualifying for office. Each candidate has to take questions from the other party's representative. each candidate will be hooked up to a lie detector with a full array of biometric sensors. If you lie an alarm sounds and you receive a shock. with each lie the voltage increases.
2012-09-04 11:49:13 PM  
2 votes:

Happy Hours: 11 PM - Midnight: when people who have jobs are in bed sleeping.


If only there were some way to save these flickering images and watch them later.
2012-09-04 11:41:00 PM  
2 votes:
Stewart and Colbert call people out, like journalists should. I've seen them go after the entire political spectrum. The last few years have been mainly going after R's because the Republican party has lost their collective minds, but they still call out liberals when they need to. That's why people trust them more than other news sources. That and they're both hilarious.
2012-09-04 11:36:34 PM  
2 votes:
Honesty scores points with young people, especially those who feel they've been lied to.
2012-09-05 01:34:41 AM  
1 votes:

wildcardjack: When Comedy Central makes fun of something they have to be right. It's not libel if it's true.


Not really. They are protected by both parody defenses and the requirement to prove actual malice (which means the speaker knew or should have known their statement was false). Truth is a defense that is almost never used in the context of defamation.
2012-09-05 12:46:37 AM  
1 votes:

erik-k: alienated: fusillade762: I wish actual news agencies would call it like it is.

Indeed. Of course, many will say hes just a comedian/celebrity so who cares what he says ? Its not as if the man has a wonderful staff that gets facts and stuff... Or that he is a rather smart guy who call out bs on both sides

Also a comedian that no one should take seriously:

[newspaper.li image 234x293]

/Only if you're calling him out of course, otherwise he's a luminary and leader


Jesus Christ, how much did Rush pay the touch-up guy? 'Cuz that guy earned a fortune with that picture.
2012-09-05 12:25:52 AM  
1 votes:

Hueg_Redd: Michelle Obama just gave a heartfelt, wonderful speech at the DNC and I think Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are two of the best personalities ever to grace TV.

That is all


She killed it tonight. Killed it. I know it was practiced and rehearsed, but good acting comes from real emotion. She KILLED it tonight.
2012-09-05 12:06:18 AM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: Stewart's smackdown of Romney's "We wanted Obama to succeed" line was epic.

I wish actual news agencies would call it like it is.


I loved that. That was so well done. I wish Colbert and Stewart would run the presidential debates.
2012-09-05 12:04:32 AM  
1 votes:

timswar: Good politicians go where people will watch them speak, and they'll forgive a lot if it means pushing their message and personas to a wider audience.


Good politicians also know how to hold their own against a tough interview. When someone goes on TDS and has a civil interview with Jon Stewart where they can give intelligent answers to tough questions, I might not switch my sides or agree with what they say but it certainly enables a level of respect for the person when they can rationally defend their position.

The shouting matches on various talk shows fail to do that as people resort to emotions rather than reason, and the puff-pieces on regular news shows fail to do that as it's rare to a politician to be required to defend their stances beyond offering some empty talking points. Both failing systems contribute (IMO) to the low level of political discourse we have today, where facts, reason and respect are often absent, and bad politicians can thrive.

There are a few flashes in the pan of real journalism lately but I'm not holding my breath for a journalistic renaissance just yet.
2012-09-04 11:55:06 PM  
1 votes:
The Daily Show and Colbert Report are aired in our area at 8 & 8:30pm respectively, we TiVo both shows and watch them when time allows. We watch local news, but only for the weather report, and haven't watched network or cable news for many years unless a big event is happening, i.e., 9/11, Katrina, etc., then we usually limit viewing to CNN. I read two newspapers on-line every day and supplement that information with various web sites, blogs, and NPR. So far, so good, and I feel informed about the world I live in, so why change?
2012-09-04 11:37:25 PM  
1 votes:

Hueg_Redd: Michelle Obama just gave a heartfelt, wonderful speech at the DNC and I think Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are two of the best personalities ever to grace TV.

That is all


I read part of the transcript of Michelle's speech... so much better than Ann Rmoney.
2012-09-04 11:15:27 PM  
1 votes:
Michelle Obama just gave a heartfelt, wonderful speech at the DNC and I think Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert are two of the best personalities ever to grace TV.

That is all
2012-09-04 10:18:52 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-09-04 09:48:00 PM  
1 votes:
I trust Stewart and Colbert far more than any of the major media.

/Although sometimes Faux News is better for a hearty laugh.
2012-09-04 09:31:40 PM  
1 votes:

fusillade762: I wish actual news agencies would call it like it is.


Indeed. Of course, many will say hes just a comedian/celebrity so who cares what he says ? Its not as if the man has a wonderful staff that gets facts and stuff... Or that he is a rather smart guy who call out bs on both sides
2012-09-04 08:53:00 PM  
1 votes:
Stewart's smackdown of Romney's "We wanted Obama to succeed" line was epic.

I wish actual news agencies would call it like it is.
 
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