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(AZCentral)   Unable to find any lemonade stands to shut down, city officials in Phoenix order a woman to stop giving away bottles of water to thirsty people   (azcentral.com) divider line 74
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2012-09-04 06:22:06 PM
A city memo about the incident said Crow-Smith was violating the "mobile vendor" ordinance, which requires a vendor operating on private property to obtain a city permit for "vending, selling, serving, displaying, offering for sale or giving away goods, wares, or merchandise or food from either a mobile vending unit or a mobile food vending unit."


Rutherford Institute attorney Doug Drury wrote a letter to Phoenix officials on Aug. 9, saying Crow-Smith's water giveaway was legal since she was giving passers-by water, not selling it. "Ms. Crow-Smith's conduct was a manifestation of her sincerely held religious beliefs," he added.

City ordinances, how do they work again ? i am not saying i agree with it, but hey- change the law then...
 
2012-09-04 08:43:43 PM

alienated: City ordinances, how do they work again ? i am not saying i agree with it, but hey- change the law then...


You overlooked a detail there. " giving away goods, wares, or merchandise or food from either a mobile vending unit or a mobile food vending unit."

It doesn't look like it was as "vending unit" IMHO, as "vending" usually means there's some exchange of money.
 
2012-09-04 08:51:08 PM

optikeye: alienated: City ordinances, how do they work again ? i am not saying i agree with it, but hey- change the law then...

You overlooked a detail there. " giving away goods, wares, or merchandise or food from either a mobile vending unit or a mobile food vending unit."

It doesn't look like it was as "vending unit" IMHO, as "vending" usually means there's some exchange of money.


Vend:

transitive verb
1
a : to sell especially as a hawker or peddler
b : to sell by means of vending machines

Latin vendere to sell, v.t., contraction for venum dare to give for sale
 
2012-09-04 08:54:44 PM

optikeye:

It doesn't look like it was as "vending unit" IMHO, as "vending" usually means there's some exchange of money.


Therein is the problem. Businesses pay good money to be able to sell their water at absurd mark-ups. If someone gives water away for free, there goes those sales and that profit. We can't have her going and putting thousand of people out of work, businesses shuttered, taxes not being paid, the city declares bankruptcy and rabid dogs wander free killing children by the hundreds.
 
2012-09-04 09:29:21 PM
Whatever happened to common sense?

Look the other way, dickhead city official who barred this woman. What a jerk you are.
 
2012-09-04 09:33:36 PM
Oh, in my initial comment I forgot- who has a damn lemon stand ?
 
2012-09-04 09:35:01 PM
Phoenix didn't use to be this way, at least 25 years ago. Course half of California hadn't moved in yet either.
 
2012-09-04 09:41:39 PM

edmo: Phoenix didn't use to be this way, at least 25 years ago. Course half of California hadn't moved in yet either.


Spent some time in and near Phoenix recently. Staying in California.
 
2012-09-04 09:49:28 PM
Lemon Stand?
 
2012-09-04 09:50:36 PM
I desperately want to BLARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH! and blow a heart valve but this seems like one of those stories that forgets to mention the fact that she was handing them out in the middle of the highway.
 
2012-09-04 10:09:23 PM
How hard is it to obtain a permit? Does it cost a lot? Because I'd at least want her name and DL# written down somewhere just in case she was giving out Jonestown Kool-Aid instead of water. Though, I probably wouldn't ingest something given to me by a religious nutjob stranger, anyway, so there's that.

/Go away, poor persecuted Christian
 
2012-09-04 10:27:36 PM

brap: I desperately want to BLARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH! and blow a heart valve but this seems like one of those stories that forgets to mention the fact that she was handing them out in the middle of the highway.


The problem was that she was standing in a private lot, according to TFA.
 
2012-09-04 10:36:02 PM

BarkingUnicorn: brap: I desperately want to BLARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH! and blow a heart valve but this seems like one of those stories that forgets to mention the fact that she was handing them out in the middle of the highway.

The problem was that she was standing in a private lot, according to TFA.



A private lot can mean a lot of things.  "Private" being the main operative.
 
2012-09-04 10:38:14 PM
They should just have a lemon party
 
2012-09-04 11:24:46 PM
images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-09-04 11:26:14 PM
O'er the land of the brave
and the home of the free.

/guess which country that anthem is from
 
2012-09-04 11:26:48 PM
If I read TFA correctly she could have moved onto public property (ie. sidewalk) and been ok. Asinine is right.
 
2012-09-04 11:26:55 PM

I_Am_Weasel: optikeye:

It doesn't look like it was as "vending unit" IMHO, as "vending" usually means there's some exchange of money.

Therein is the problem. Businesses pay good money to be able to sell their water at absurd mark-ups. If someone gives water away for free, there goes those sales and that profit. We can't have her going and putting thousand of people out of work, businesses shuttered, taxes not being paid, the city declares bankruptcy and rabid dogs wander free killing children by the hundreds.


Funny, I handed out free water one time and that's EXACTLY what happened.
 
2012-09-04 11:30:45 PM
If she stood on the sidewalk, she's be popped for blocking pedestrian traffic.
 
2012-09-04 11:33:30 PM
Was it good bottled water or was it nasty-ass Arrowhead bottled water?
 
2012-09-04 11:35:16 PM

I_Am_Weasel: Therein is the problem. Businesses pay good money to be able to sell their water at absurd mark-ups. If someone gives water away for free, there goes those sales and that profit. We can't have her going and putting thousand of people out of work, businesses shuttered, taxes not being paid, the city declares bankruptcy and rabid dogs wander free killing children by the hundreds.


Hundreds of dogs or hundreds of children? It's important for me to be able to make a determination on your comment.
 
2012-09-04 11:39:49 PM
Too much government if this is a problem.

m4.wayin.us
 
2012-09-04 11:41:30 PM
I hate christians as much as any true American should, but this lady seems pretty much OK in my book.
 
2012-09-04 11:42:04 PM
Render unto Caesar, you water-dispensing biatch.
 
2012-09-04 11:48:17 PM
Yeah yeah. Everyone's up in arms that Big Government stopped this lady from handing out bottles of water. What if no one stopped her and the bottles of water she was handing out were laced with something that made a bunch of people sick? Everyone would be mad at the police and government for not stopping her.
 
2012-09-04 11:49:53 PM
Nuking Arizona from orbit - you know, just to be sure - would effect little change in the quality of life of the retards who still choose to live in Arizona.

I'm at a loss here. Any ideas?
 
2012-09-04 11:56:08 PM
Christian beliefs my arse. Jebus would've gave wine to people. That's in the Bible.
 
2012-09-04 11:56:35 PM

silverjets: Yeah yeah. Everyone's up in arms that Big Government stopped this lady from handing out bottles of water. What if no one stopped her and the bottles of water she was handing out were laced with something that made a bunch of people sick? Everyone would be mad at the police and government for not stopping her.


Or at least not being able to track her down through a permit after the fact.

I once bought a grilled cheese sandwich laced with LSD at a Phish concert. Wish that microbus had a permit I could use to track them down.
 
2012-09-04 11:56:55 PM

siyuntz: How hard is it to obtain a permit? Does it cost a lot? Because I'd at least want her name and DL# written down somewhere just in case she was giving out Jonestown Kool-Aid instead of water. Though, I probably wouldn't ingest something given to me by a religious nutjob stranger, anyway, so there's that.

/Go away, poor persecuted Christian


I wonder how many farkers went into that story expecting to be outraged at the city, then saw it was a christian and their anti-christian hate made them do a 180 and find ways to support the city for actions they had just found reprehensible 2 seconds earlier.
 
2012-09-04 11:59:00 PM

optikeye: alienated: City ordinances, how do they work again ? i am not saying i agree with it, but hey- change the law then...

You overlooked a detail there. " giving away goods, wares, or merchandise or food from either a mobile vending unit or a mobile food vending unit."

It doesn't look like it was as "vending unit" IMHO, as "vending" usually means there's some exchange of money.


No, vending just means you've got a bunch of product on-hand and are distributing it. A big ice chest full of water bottles would, in fact, be a vending unit if it's being used to distribute said water.

I would also venture that the basic ordinance is more a traffic issue than anything else. Some dude handing out free shiat from a cart disrupts foot traffic just as much as some dude selling shiat from a cart, it actually makes sense for them to chip in for the cost of ameliorating said traffic disruption. All of the other people doing it are fine with supporting the various cops, crossing guards, etc that have to put in overtime for the event, no reason this woman should be special.

And, all that said, they gave her a warning, explained the situation to her, and asked her to show some consideration for the city and people around her in general, then expected her to act like, you know, a goddamned adult and comply. They didn't charge her with anything, fine her, or do anything other than politely explain the area of law that she may have missed. She, and this organization, are the ones being farkers about this, the city seems to be perfectly willing to grant her the permit if she plays by the rules like literally everyone else involved in the event.

//As for the freedom of speech/religion issue, did she apply for the permit on being informed it was necessary and get rejected? No? Then there's no discrimination or regulation of speech involved and she should fark off.
//I have little patience for people that can't perform the basic duties of citizenship like getting permits for distributing shiat on the street. If they're aware but don't have the money or whatever that's difference, but this sort of willful unwillingness to abide by the damned social contract just because someone feels they're a special snowflake is more than irresponsible enough to piss me off.
 
2012-09-04 11:59:26 PM

Githerax: O'er the land of the brave
and the home of the free.

/guess which country that anthem is from


Umm, well, it's not from the US anyway.
 
2012-09-05 12:00:32 AM

Psycoholic_Slag: Was it good bottled water or was it nasty-ass Arrowhead bottled water?


you do realize all bottled water comes from the same tap within the Cleveland city limits, right?

/well, maybe I made that up, but "good" bottled water differs from "cheap" bottled water only in the size of the advertising budget.
 
2012-09-05 12:03:58 AM
Lemonade was a popular drink and it still is.
 
2012-09-05 12:04:01 AM
Florida tag - check
Arizona tag - overdue
 
2012-09-05 12:09:36 AM

I sound fat: Psycoholic_Slag: Was it good bottled water or was it nasty-ass Arrowhead bottled water?

you do realize all bottled water comes from the same tap within the Cleveland city limits, right?

/well, maybe I made that up, but "good" bottled water differs from "cheap" bottled water only in the size of the advertising budget.


I don't think it's a price thing. My tap water tastes as good as most bottled water but Arrowhead must bottle toilet water cause that sh*t is naaaasteee!
 
2012-09-05 12:15:16 AM

FARTNOISE FARTNOISE JUNIOR: silverjets: Yeah yeah. Everyone's up in arms that Big Government stopped this lady from handing out bottles of water. What if no one stopped her and the bottles of water she was handing out were laced with something that made a bunch of people sick? Everyone would be mad at the police and government for not stopping her.

Or at least not being able to track her down through a permit after the fact.

I once bought a grilled cheese sandwich laced with LSD at a Phish concert. Wish that microbus had a permit I could use to track them down.


There are two things here that make me believe you have no sense of self preservation.
 
2012-09-05 12:17:59 AM
Does anyone in this article actually know what it feels like to be sitting on a bench in busy down town Phoenix when it's 110+ degrees outside? Don't think you'd be biatching about ordinances if some lady handed you an unopened bottle of water.
 
2012-09-05 12:24:31 AM

Jim_Callahan: optikeye: alienated: City ordinances, how do they work again ? i am not saying i agree with it, but hey- change the law then...

You overlooked a detail there. " giving away goods, wares, or merchandise or food from either a mobile vending unit or a mobile food vending unit."

It doesn't look like it was as "vending unit" IMHO, as "vending" usually means there's some exchange of money.

No, vending just means you've got a bunch of product on-hand and are distributing it. A big ice chest full of water bottles would, in fact, be a vending unit if it's being used to distribute said water.

I would also venture that the basic ordinance is more a traffic issue than anything else. Some dude handing out free shiat from a cart disrupts foot traffic just as much as some dude selling shiat from a cart, it actually makes sense for them to chip in for the cost of ameliorating said traffic disruption. All of the other people doing it are fine with supporting the various cops, crossing guards, etc that have to put in overtime for the event, no reason this woman should be special.

And, all that said, they gave her a warning, explained the situation to her, and asked her to show some consideration for the city and people around her in general, then expected her to act like, you know, a goddamned adult and comply. They didn't charge her with anything, fine her, or do anything other than politely explain the area of law that she may have missed. She, and this organization, are the ones being farkers about this, the city seems to be perfectly willing to grant her the permit if she plays by the rules like literally everyone else involved in the event.

//As for the freedom of speech/religion issue, did she apply for the permit on being informed it was necessary and get rejected? No? Then there's no discrimination or regulation of speech involved and she should fark off.
//I have little patience for people that can't perform the basic duties of citizenship like getting permits for distributing shiat on the street. If they're aware but don't have the money or whatever that's difference, but this sort of willful unwillingness to abide by the damned social contract just because someone feels they're a special snowflake is more than irresponsible enough to piss me off.


You, sir, are part of the problem.
 
2012-09-05 12:25:14 AM

I_Am_Weasel: optikeye:

It doesn't look like it was as "vending unit" IMHO, as "vending" usually means there's some exchange of money.

Therein is the problem. Businesses pay good money to be able to sell their water at absurd mark-ups. If someone gives water away for free, there goes those sales and that profit. We can't have her going and putting thousand of people out of work, businesses shuttered, taxes not being paid, the city declares bankruptcy and rabid dogs wander free killing children by the hundreds.


It is illegal to not give away free water if someone asks, in Az.
 
2012-09-05 12:30:56 AM
Stupid rules ruin everything. That said, she might have been attracting quite a crowd giving away free water.
 
2012-09-05 12:34:42 AM

LavenderWolf: I_Am_Weasel: optikeye:

It doesn't look like it was as "vending unit" IMHO, as "vending" usually means there's some exchange of money.

Therein is the problem. Businesses pay good money to be able to sell their water at absurd mark-ups. If someone gives water away for free, there goes those sales and that profit. We can't have her going and putting thousand of people out of work, businesses shuttered, taxes not being paid, the city declares bankruptcy and rabid dogs wander free killing children by the hundreds.

It is illegal to not give away free water if someone asks, in Az.


It is illegal to ask for water in AZ if it will be used on, in, or near brown people.
 
2012-09-05 12:54:58 AM
What if was water with LSD?.
 
2012-09-05 12:58:37 AM
It is illegal to not give away free water if someone asks, in Az.

That's what I was told in Arizona as well. I visited this summer and was in a store and the store owner suddenly asked if I wanted some water and when I said how nice that was of her to offer, she said that actually she carries a whole frig of bottled water in the back room because it is illegal to not give water to a person who asks. She gave our whole group water bottles. We were already buying something from her, so I don't think she lost anything from it and we were happy because it was already a hot day and the water was nice and cold.

Apparently, in the desert, there was a concern that people could die from the heat if there wasn't a law to keep people from hoarding water from others.

How does this impact this case? I don't know. I DNRTFA. 

/first slashie from a long-time lurker who is just starting to comment (finally got a login)
//be gentle
///this is fun; I usually just comment out loud to whoever is around about what I am reading
 
2012-09-05 01:04:14 AM
Me Chinese,

Me play joke...
 
2012-09-05 01:06:05 AM
Good thing she decided to wrap it all in religion, I haven't heard someone try and use that as an excuse to violate the law yet today, and it's getting awfully close to the end of the day.

Just comply with the law lady, those aren't there to make your life horrible, no matter what the unwashed masses of the internet tell you. For one, they're there to give people a way to track you if you're handing out a tainted product, as somebody else mention upthread.
 
2012-09-05 01:10:50 AM

Psycoholic_Slag: I sound fat: Psycoholic_Slag: Was it good bottled water or was it nasty-ass Arrowhead bottled water?

you do realize all bottled water comes from the same tap within the Cleveland city limits, right?

/well, maybe I made that up, but "good" bottled water differs from "cheap" bottled water only in the size of the advertising budget.

I don't think it's a price thing. My tap water tastes as good as most bottled water but Arrowhead must bottle toilet water cause that sh*t is naaaasteee!


Phoenix tap water tastes like absolute shiat. Horrible stuff, AND it comes out of the tap lukewarm to hot, even in the winter. Despite what the 'great scams of the 20th century' lists like to claim, there is a difference between local tap water and bottled water. The difference might just be good filtration, but it's a night and day difference.

Once again Phoenix tap water is nasty, most likely a plot by Satan, but it could also be all of the chemicals they add to make it 'drinkable'...
 
2012-09-05 01:12:55 AM

Bonanza Jellybean:


Get off your ass and go scavving! Get your own!

/why yes, my character is very evil
//I'm ok with this
///eeeevil slashies!
 
2012-09-05 01:24:37 AM

edmo: Phoenix didn't use to be this way, at least 25 years ago. Course half of California Minnesota and Michigan hadn't moved in yet either.


FTFY
 
2012-09-05 01:25:49 AM
I keep cases of water in my car at all times.

CSS:

Once upon a time, I was stuck in a really bad traffic jam; the kind where no one moves for a few hours. It was in the middle of August and the heat was in the triple digits. As luck would have it, I'd just come from Costco and had 6 cases of bottled water in the back of my car. mr. teeny and I walked about a 1/2 mile in each direction, offering water for those who needed it most. There were several cars with small children and 2 pregnant women that nearly fainted with relief when we came by.

/only fuggin' nazi bastards would arrest someone for giving away WATER. In phoenix, for crying out loud.
 
2012-09-05 01:33:26 AM
I think I missed the part of the article where they described her mobile vending unit, or whatever they call it. Does it count if she's got the water bottles in a simple bucket or cooler?

Really, isn't this the kind of ordinance meant to deter people who operate food trucks without a permit?
 
2012-09-05 01:42:35 AM

CygnusDarius: What if was water with LSD?.


Yeah, this is just like that time the MAN tried to stop me from giving out free LSD to everyone via the reservoir. Fark you, CIA and President Mitch Whossane Oromnabation! Yeah, man.
 
2012-09-05 01:43:32 AM

teeny: /only fuggin' nazi bastards would arrest someone for giving away WATER. In phoenix, for crying out loud.


All you have to do is read this thread to see how it happens.

Some people are so poor they don't have water to drink, and other people are so poor they don't have a mirror to look in.
 
2012-09-05 01:44:36 AM
thank goodness joe arpaio didnt show up on his white horse and throw the lady into tent city
 
2012-09-05 01:52:52 AM
 
2012-09-05 01:56:43 AM
I love morons that think they can do illegal shiat and get away with it because they're doing it for "religious beliefs."

"Yeah, I regularly shiat in the FedEx drop box, but its part of me religious convictions, so... we're cool, right?"
 
2012-09-05 02:03:19 AM

siyuntz: How hard is it to obtain a permit? Does it cost a lot? Because I'd at least want her name and DL# written down somewhere just in case she was giving out Jonestown Kool-Aid instead of water. Though, I probably wouldn't ingest something given to me by a religious nutjob stranger, anyway, so there's that.

/Go away, poor persecuted Christian


0/10
 
2012-09-05 02:32:22 AM

edmo: Phoenix didn't use to be this way, at least 25 years ago. Course half of California hadn't moved in yet either.


Oh please. Phoenix is where mid-western conservatives go when they want to live in So Cal but are scared to death of California. I meet FAR more people there from places like Kansas, Iowa, and Missouri than I EVER did from Cali.

It seems silly. But it likely came about from a complaint from the local vendors. They had applied and paid for the necessary permits to conduct their business there during that event. We need to consider their rights and what's fair to them as well. Perhaps if she was content to stop handing out water and hand out pamphlets instead there wouldn't have been an issue. Handing out goods, at the expense of those making their living doing it in the same area, might not be part of free speech.

As far as I can tell, nobody has told her that she couldn't continue to proselytize. They just had an issue with the handing out of goods.
 
2012-09-05 02:44:18 AM
How is giving away water a freedom of speech issue?!
 
2012-09-05 02:53:40 AM

burning_bridge: edmo: Phoenix didn't use to be this way, at least 25 years ago. Course half of California hadn't moved in yet either.

Oh please. Phoenix is where mid-western conservatives go when they want to live in So Cal but are scared to death of California. I meet FAR more people there from places like Kansas, Iowa, and Missouri than I EVER did from Cali.


I've met a pretty even distribution of transplants from all over the country (former Oregonian, Chicagoan, and DC ppl in my house all pretty liberal), so I dont see the need to generalize. Most AZ transplants are older which kind of automatically makes them a bit more conservative when you get right down to it.

/and I would venture most ppl who like SoCal but dont move there are only afraid of its cost of living
//nobody should turn down free water in the summer let alone turn the water person in to the police. Businesses whose survival rely on overpriced water deserve to get gouged.
 
2012-09-05 03:07:38 AM
Step 1: Make it illegal to hand out water to thirsty people in a desert.

Step 2: Make it illegal to hand out welfare to poor people in a recession.

Step 3: Profit!
 
2012-09-05 03:56:00 AM

Bonanza Jellybean: [images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 800x572]


I LOLed.
 
2012-09-05 04:05:59 AM
So we've got nanny state assholes making it illegal to give water to thirsty people (because you're depriving them of tax revenue and the water might be iocaine powder), and the water giver saying this violates her first amendment rights to proselytize.

Can I just hope everyone involved dies in a fire? Oh right - Phoenix, close enough.
 
2012-09-05 04:24:06 AM
Oooh, they claim it's a first-amendment issue! On private property, I don't think so.

If the first amendment allows someone to step onto private property and compete with vendors who paid to be involved, then it should allow me to interrupt your church service Sunday morning to hand out my "There is no god" flyers, right? Nobody'd object to a nice atheist doing that on their private property, right? It's my freedom of speech!

//sorry, I forgot. She's a Christian, and so she's SPECIAL and the rules don't apply to her.
 
2012-09-05 06:12:41 AM
Those Christians and other "social conservatives" keep bleating about how they want "small government"

But for keeping track of what goes on in your bedrooms, censorship of media etc, the "government" cannot be big enough for them.

Farkin' hypocrites.
 
2012-09-05 07:15:05 AM
blogosphere

please die.
kthxby
 
2012-09-05 07:27:23 AM
Bloggers and conservative political groups are outraged over the incident.

Aren't these the same folks who want to have people arrested for feeding the homeless?
 
2012-09-05 08:06:42 AM
As farking dumb as this city is for wasting time and money to stop this woman from giving out water to thirsty people, it sounds even more dumb when people use the "mah first amendment rights r being violated" complaint all the time.

No. There is no right declaring anything about giving away free water. Granted, it is one of those things that is a farking given, but there is nothing in the First that says "and the right to protect and prevent thirst". Hell, even if there was, it would have probably specified beer over water.
 
2012-09-05 08:26:14 AM

fritopendejo


Christian beliefs my arse. Jebus would've gave wine to people. That's in the Bible.


Republican Phoenix Jebus would give people water and expect them to be bootstrappy and turn it into wine themselves.
 
2012-09-05 08:53:19 AM
She was given a warning and not actually penalized, was told that if she wanted to give away water she could do it from the sidewalk but not inside the event because permits were needed to do that in the event.

Pheonix AZ seems just fine on this. Nothing to see in this thread but the hatred and bigotry being spread by Libs and Derpacrats.
 
2012-09-05 09:07:17 AM
but leaving water for illegal invaders is ok.
THIS IS WHY WE CANT HAVE NICE THINGS!!!
 
2012-09-05 09:09:22 AM


alienated [TotalFark]


City ordinances, how do they work again ? i am not saying i agree with it, but hey- change the law then...

Arrest 'em all.
thenewsouth.files.wordpress.com

/ sarcasm
 
2012-09-05 12:50:18 PM
Is she hot?
 
2012-09-05 01:44:52 PM
I really wish religious preachers would stop this nonsense. They infringe on my freedom of religion when they try to cram their beliefs down my throat. But, only when they're doing it is it exercising their right. If I tried doing it to them, they'd be all up in arms.

Anyways, she stepped onto private property. Technically, they probably could've arrested her for trespassing. All they did was warn her. But no, the government is evil for not allowing her to be on private property.
 
2012-09-05 09:26:09 PM
efgeise Smartest Funniest
2012-09-05 01:44:52 PM

I really wish religious preachers would stop this nonsense. They infringe on my freedom of religion when they try to cram their beliefs down my throat.

awwwww aren't you soooooo put upon. You had to *gasp* (the horror) read about a story where a woman handed out bottles of water and said "God Bless you". Will you need grief counseling to get over the trauma of having her religion "crammed down your throat"?

I've had religious folks try to sell me on their belief system. A simple "no thanks" and walking away/shutting the door works. Grow a farking backbone ya wuss.
 
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