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(Science Daily)   New research discovers difference in visual acuity between men and women: men have greater sensitivity to fine detail and rapid movements, and women can see everything you ever did wrong   (sciencedaily.com) divider line 128
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2012-09-04 02:40:29 PM  
Paging HOTY committee.
 
2012-09-04 02:45:16 PM  
Brilliant. +1.
 
2012-09-04 03:38:49 PM  
You have my +1.
 
2012-09-04 03:47:29 PM  
Come on now, she didn't say you were wrong, she just said she blames you.
 
2012-09-04 03:48:50 PM  
"We found that men can see round, bouncing objects better than women. But more research is necessary to support our conclusions."
 
2012-09-04 03:49:38 PM  
Boobies thread!
www.demotivation.us
/at least, that's how I read it
 
2012-09-04 03:49:43 PM  
What? She just sees your need to get over it. Loudly.
 
2012-09-04 03:50:09 PM  
So no change there.
 
2012-09-04 03:50:41 PM  

h2oincfs: Come on now, she didn't say you were wrong, she just said she blames you.


reminds me of hurricane isaac. somehow it became my fault.
 
2012-09-04 03:52:47 PM  

garkola: "We found that men can see round, bouncing objects better than women. But more research is necessary to support our conclusions."


Is this where one would reply with alizee_anim.gif?
 
2012-09-04 03:53:44 PM  
"but women are better at discriminating between colors"

Ok more seriously, did they control for the male color blindness problem we already know about? Quick reading of the article + originals says no but can't be sure.
 
2012-09-04 03:53:55 PM  
I'm sure I have seen this before

"The evolutionary driving force between these differences is less clear"

and the usual explanation is that men are adapted for hunting, women for gathering fruits and berries
 
2012-09-04 03:54:08 PM  
My wife not only sees everything I ever did wrong, she can see everything I'm ever going to do and that I will do it wrong.
 
2012-09-04 03:54:56 PM  
Fantastic headline subby. +1
 
2012-09-04 03:54:58 PM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-04 03:57:11 PM  
The scientists are wrong. The fark enlightened have assured me time and again there is no difference between the brains of men and women, and making such a claim is merely being "afraid" of women's equality. These scientists are obviously very fearful of equality.
 
2012-09-04 03:58:17 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: "but women are better at discriminating between colors"

Ok more seriously, did they control for the male color blindness problem we already know about? Quick reading of the article + originals says no but can't be sure.


FTA: All volunteers were required to have normal color vision and 20/20 sight (or 20/20 when corrected by glasses or contact lenses).
 
2012-09-04 03:58:36 PM  
I'll admit it: I lol'd.
 
2012-09-04 04:00:08 PM  

Rindred: garkola: "We found that men can see round, bouncing objects better than women. But more research is necessary to support our conclusions."

Is this where one would reply with alizee_anim.gif?


This? (too big to embed)
 
2012-09-04 04:01:05 PM  
It's not her ability to find your faults, subby. It's her ability to turn an argument she's losing around by tapping into your faults and indiscretions of the distant past, pressing the issue until you decide it's not worth arguing anymore as she declares herself the winner. But the only winner here is the law against "accidentally" pushing people into the tiger pit at the zoo.
 
2012-09-04 04:01:41 PM  
When the volunteers were required to describe colors shown to them across the visual spectrum...

That doesn't measure whether they can see them.

it became obvious that the color vision of men was shifted, and that they required a slightly longer wavelength to experience the same hue as the women. The males also had a broader range in the center of the spectrum where they were less able to discriminate between colors.

Weasel words (but I blame the journalist for that), and those conclusions aren't the only ones that could come out of their tests:
imgs.xkcd.com
Women are socially pressured to take more notice of differences in color, and accordingly, after decades of such training, would be likely better at it. That says nothing about any inherent differences in the brain. The study even notes this in the conclusion, saying "it seems that the sex-related differences we find (overall male superiority) may not be true from birth."
 
2012-09-04 04:02:25 PM  

Kome: FTA: All volunteers were required to have normal color vision and 20/20 sight (or 20/20 when corrected by glasses or contact lenses).


God damn it. Speaking of male blindness... but you're a man too looks like. What's my excuse.
 
2012-09-04 04:02:58 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: "but women are better at discriminating between colors"

Ok more seriously, did they control for the male color blindness problem we already know about? Quick reading of the article + originals says no but can't be sure.


Regardless, women know the answer to the riddle "what's white and twelve inches long".
 
2012-09-04 04:05:16 PM  

Mambo Bananapatch: My wife not only sees everything I ever did wrong, she can see everything I'm ever going to do and that I will do it wrong.


They also remember everything you did wrong.
 
2012-09-04 04:07:00 PM  

MBooda: Regardless, women know the answer to the riddle "what's white and twelve inches long".


The pool boy's cock? No no wait that's red, come on think Fark Rye think.
 
2012-09-04 04:08:01 PM  

Theaetetus: When the volunteers were required to describe colors shown to them across the visual spectrum...

That doesn't measure whether they can see them.

it became obvious that the color vision of men was shifted, and that they required a slightly longer wavelength to experience the same hue as the women. The males also had a broader range in the center of the spectrum where they were less able to discriminate between colors.

Weasel words (but I blame the journalist for that), and those conclusions aren't the only ones that could come out of their tests:
[imgs.xkcd.com image 450x487]
Women are socially pressured to take more notice of differences in color, and accordingly, after decades of such training, would be likely better at it. That says nothing about any inherent differences in the brain. The study even notes this in the conclusion, saying "it seems that the sex-related differences we find (overall male superiority) may not be true from birth."


To be fair: Some women really *do* have a superior ability to distinguish between colors, due to a mutation that grants them.. I think its an extra cone-type? Wheras in men, the gene actually causes color-blindness.
/Being a tetrachromat must be fascinating...
 
2012-09-04 04:09:01 PM  
Yeah but so what? I'm still not giving up pussy.

NTTAWWT
 
2012-09-04 04:11:29 PM  

Fark Rye For Many Whores: Kome: FTA: All volunteers were required to have normal color vision and 20/20 sight (or 20/20 when corrected by glasses or contact lenses).

God damn it. Speaking of male blindness... but you're a man too looks like. What's my excuse.


You said you only quickly read the article, meaning you probably glossed over it. No biggie. It's a legitimate confound, albeit an obvious one. Although interestingly, I think the fact that more men than women are colorblind may actually speak to this effect as well. For whatever reason, men seem to be able to survive (and probably reproduce) well enough in spite of those allele variations (or mutations, or defects, or whatever they are) that express themselves as some form of colorblindness. I don't know enough about the topic, but it strikes me as an interesting point that could be discussed.
 
2012-09-04 04:11:30 PM  

Theaetetus: . . . those conclusions aren't the only ones that could come out of their tests: [xkcd]


FTFS: "The elicited sensations were measured using magnitude estimation of hue and saturation. When the only permitted hue terms are red (R) yellow (Y), green (G), blue (B), alone or in combination, such hue descriptions are language-independent and the hue and saturation values can be used to derive a wide range of color-discrimination functions. "
 
2012-09-04 04:11:57 PM  

women can see everything you ever did wrong


Subby sounds fat henpecked.


And possibly fat.
 
2012-09-04 04:13:02 PM  

MBooda: Fark Rye For Many Whores: "but women are better at discriminating between colors"

Ok more seriously, did they control for the male color blindness problem we already know about? Quick reading of the article + originals says no but can't be sure.

Regardless, women know the answer to the riddle "what's white and twelve inches long".


Once you go mocha or darker you won't go back?
 
2012-09-04 04:13:15 PM  
pffft. My wife can see things I did wrong that never actually happened
 
2012-09-04 04:13:16 PM  

Felgraf: To be fair: Some women really *do* have a superior ability to distinguish between colors, due to a mutation that grants them.. I think its an extra cone-type? Wheras in men, the gene actually causes color-blindness.
/Being a tetrachromat must be fascinating...


True, and that would be a better way to study this - directly stimulate some cones as opposed to others and look at how the brain responds in an MRI. Self-description of subjective phenomena? Bleh.
 
2012-09-04 04:14:56 PM  

Chthonic Echoes: Theaetetus: . . . those conclusions aren't the only ones that could come out of their tests: [xkcd]

FTFS: "The elicited sensations were measured using magnitude estimation of hue and saturation. When the only permitted hue terms are red (R) yellow (Y), green (G), blue (B), alone or in combination, such hue descriptions are language-independent and the hue and saturation values can be used to derive a wide range of color-discrimination functions. "


FTFC: "Women are socially pressured to take more notice of differences in color, and accordingly, after decades of such training, would be likely better at it."
 
2012-09-04 04:15:35 PM  

Kome: Fark Rye For Many Whores: Kome: FTA: All volunteers were required to have normal color vision and 20/20 sight (or 20/20 when corrected by glasses or contact lenses).

God damn it. Speaking of male blindness... but you're a man too looks like. What's my excuse.

You said you only quickly read the article, meaning you probably glossed over it. No biggie. It's a legitimate confound, albeit an obvious one. Although interestingly, I think the fact that more men than women are colorblind may actually speak to this effect as well. For whatever reason, men seem to be able to survive (and probably reproduce) well enough in spite of those allele variations (or mutations, or defects, or whatever they are) that express themselves as some form of colorblindness. I don't know enough about the topic, but it strikes me as an interesting point that could be discussed.


Colorblind men survive well enough in a contemporary context, but in a prehistoric context where you'd have to pick out tigers or snakes or identify edible versus poisonous insects and fruits by color, colorblind people (men and women) probably had it a bit rough.
 
2012-09-04 04:16:35 PM  

Felgraf: To be fair: Some women really *do* have a superior ability to distinguish between colors, due to a mutation that grants them.. I think its an extra cone-type? Wheras in men, the gene actually causes color-blindness.
/Being a tetrachromat must be fascinating...


That phenomenon is incredibly rare, though. Absolutely incredible, but rare.
Humans with Super Human Visions - Link
 
2012-09-04 04:17:54 PM  

Theaetetus: Felgraf: To be fair: Some women really *do* have a superior ability to distinguish between colors, due to a mutation that grants them.. I think its an extra cone-type? Wheras in men, the gene actually causes color-blindness.
/Being a tetrachromat must be fascinating...

True, and that would be a better way to study this - directly stimulate some cones as opposed to others and look at how the brain responds in an MRI. Self-description of subjective phenomena? Bleh.


Go on...
 
2012-09-04 04:20:11 PM  

Kyro: You have my +1.


And my axe.
 
2012-09-04 04:22:32 PM  

Cymbal: Theaetetus: Felgraf: To be fair: Some women really *do* have a superior ability to distinguish between colors, due to a mutation that grants them.. I think its an extra cone-type? Wheras in men, the gene actually causes color-blindness.
/Being a tetrachromat must be fascinating...

True, and that would be a better way to study this - directly stimulate some cones as opposed to others and look at how the brain responds in an MRI. Self-description of subjective phenomena? Bleh.

Go on...


www.pbs.org
... only with electrically conductive needles.
 
2012-09-04 04:23:42 PM  

Theaetetus: True, and that would be a better way to study this - directly stimulate some cones as opposed to others and look at how the brain responds in an MRI. Self-description of subjective phenomena? Bleh.


Nothing that says multiple methodologies can't be used. Also, methodology might be hampered by practical limitations. Scientific research isn't funded nearly as well as we'd like, and some research labs simply do not have access to brain-imaging hardware or access to the kinds of specialized experts who are needed in order to use said hardware and analyze the data correctly. And sometimes low-tech methodologies have strengths that high-tech methodologies simply cannot (as of yet) contribute. Phenomenological (subjective self-report) data can be acquired in ecologically valid settings whereas fMRI data can only be acquired in a contrived laboratory setting. Lower-tech methods are also better for early research into a topic.
 
2012-09-04 04:23:45 PM  

Nana's Vibrator: It's not her ability to find your faults, subby. It's her ability to turn an argument she's losing around by tapping into your faults and indiscretions of the distant past, pressing the issue until you decide it's not worth arguing anymore as she declares herself the winner. But the only winner here is the law against "accidentally" pushing people into the tiger pit at the zoo.


what she said.
yeah.
 
2012-09-04 04:24:04 PM  
Stare at it... For Science
 
2012-09-04 04:24:30 PM  

furterfan: I'm sure I have seen this before

"The evolutionary driving force between these differences is less clear"

and the usual explanation is that men are adapted for hunting, women for gathering fruits and berries


I don't see why this should be "less clear" to anyone except those who feel its necessary to deny that there is a biological difference between men and women.
 
2012-09-04 04:25:44 PM  

Theaetetus: Chthonic Echoes: Theaetetus: . . . those conclusions aren't the only ones that could come out of their tests: [xkcd]

FTFS: "The elicited sensations were measured using magnitude estimation of hue and saturation. When the only permitted hue terms are red (R) yellow (Y), green (G), blue (B), alone or in combination, such hue descriptions are language-independent and the hue and saturation values can be used to derive a wide range of color-discrimination functions. "

FTFC: "Women are socially pressured to take more notice of differences in color, and accordingly, after decades of such training, would be likely better at it."


Got a study to back that up? A quantification of social pressures? How many "decades of social training" does it take for differences to become noticeable? How likely is "likely better at it"? Can you offer some mechanisms as detailed as the ones described in the papers in question to back up your alternate hypothesis?
 
2012-09-04 04:27:25 PM  
What a chauvinistic day this is turning out to be.
 
2012-09-04 04:28:12 PM  

liverpoolumd: Stare at it... For Science


(sfw .... Mostly)

This really didnt need to take two posts... but this gif is too awesome for the size restrictions
 
2012-09-04 04:29:01 PM  

Theaetetus: When the volunteers were required to describe colors shown to them across the visual spectrum...

That doesn't measure whether they can see them.

it became obvious that the color vision of men was shifted, and that they required a slightly longer wavelength to experience the same hue as the women. The males also had a broader range in the center of the spectrum where they were less able to discriminate between colors.

Weasel words (but I blame the journalist for that), and those conclusions aren't the only ones that could come out of their tests:
[imgs.xkcd.com image 450x487]
Women are socially pressured to take more notice of differences in color, and accordingly, after decades of such training, would be likely better at it. That says nothing about any inherent differences in the brain. The study even notes this in the conclusion, saying "it seems that the sex-related differences we find (overall male superiority) may not be true from birth."


In other words:
All of my girlfriends were sexist for saying I was bad at "matching"?

/Something I readily admit because I still look at some of the clothes they said didn't match and wonder wtf they saw that I didn't.
 
2012-09-04 04:29:33 PM  
I like to diffuse any argument I have with my wife by letting her know all her problems can be solved by spending at least 15 minutes with my penis inside of her.

Hasn't worked yet. Any tips?
 
2012-09-04 04:33:33 PM  

Cymbal: I like to diffuse any argument I have with my wife by letting her know all her problems can be solved by spending at least 15 minutes with my penis inside of her.

Hasn't worked yet. Any tips?


If you get an answer that works, can you pass it along. My wife agrees with your wife apparently
 
2012-09-04 04:33:46 PM  

Cymbal


I like to diffuse any argument I have with my wife by letting her know all her problems can be solved by spending at least 15 minutes with my penis inside of her.

Hasn't worked yet. Any tips?


Try using 'defuse' instead of 'diffuse'. See if that helps.
 
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