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2012-09-04 01:30:59 PM
He wrote it while running a 32 minute marathon, backwards, while hitting 27 holes in one despite only playing 9 holes.

Trust him, he would never lie.
 
2012-09-04 01:34:18 PM
"Our plan to save Medicare does not affect or change the benefits for anybody who is in or near retirement," Ryan said on ABC.

I will be 47 in November. While I don't believe Ryan when he says current retirees will not be affected, I DO believe when he says only future retirees will. I am not looking forward to some farking stupid-ass voucher program that completely shorts the needs of the elderly.
 
2012-09-04 01:34:25 PM
Changing your speech's medium does not negate the fact that your words are lies.
 
2012-09-04 01:35:06 PM
wavada.org
 
2012-09-04 01:35:06 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-09-04 01:43:34 PM
Ryan's address has been criticized by opponents and prompted questions from fact checkers about whether he stretched the truth.

No, he did not "stretch the truth." He flat out lied. Come on, media people, start calling this what it is. Stop pussyfooting in an effort to appear neutral, call them what they are- liars. Taking a neutral position between truth and lies is not "even handed," it is dishonest.
 
2012-09-04 01:45:46 PM
So is he saying it isn't about the correctness of the words as sentences, but the general message he was trying to get out?

Seeing John Hunstman on Colbert last week the night after Ryan's speech was incredible. Colbert asked some pointed questions and Hunstman couldn't control the very telling looks on his face. Questions about honesty and Romney and other things. Hunstman's ability to control the guffaws that were obviously held in were great.I came away with a decent impression of Hunstman after it.

As far as Ryan, the lying shill...
snltranscripts.jt.org

He researched all those facts in that speech with his wife, Morgan Fairchild.
 
2012-09-04 01:52:12 PM
So he's saying that what he actually said wasn't technically a lie, but you know, *wink* *wink*, right?
 
2012-09-04 01:52:43 PM
What I was saying is the president ought to be held to account for his broken promises. After our plant was shut down, he said would lead an effort to retool plants like the Janesville plant to get people back to work."

But you never said that.
 
2012-09-04 01:55:16 PM

impaler: What I was saying is the president ought to be held to account for his broken promises. After our plant was shut down, he said would lead an effort to retool plants like the Janesville plant to get people back to work."

But you never said that.


He said it retroactively.
 
2012-09-04 01:56:55 PM
Hunstman and Colbert

Part one of last week Colbert interviews Hunstman. Hunstman's face when Colbert asks regarding Romney 'What are the things that make you just love him as a person?' is priceless. Right about the 5:30 mark. Part includes Colbert asking about Ryan's speech.
 
2012-09-04 02:01:17 PM
"Our plan to save Medicare does not affect or change the benefits for anybody who is in or near retirement," Ryan said on ABC.

So Paul, if it is such a great plan, then why don't you just go ahead and impose it now for all existing medicare recipients? Why wait? Could it be because your plan actually ends up screwing over the elderly by creating a larger and larger gap between the amount of the voucher and the actual cost of coverage? And since it does that, aren't you basically telling the current recipients "Hey look, you are covered, but you can tell your kids and grand kids to go fark themselves"? Do you really think that people will gladly accept screwing over their children as long as they got theirs? Not everybody is a republican, you know. A lot of us actually care about the future we are leaving our children.
 
2012-09-04 02:07:37 PM

Dinki: "Our plan to save Medicare does not affect or change the benefits for anybody who is in or near retirement," Ryan said on ABC.

So Paul, if it is such a great plan, then why don't you just go ahead and impose it now for all existing medicare recipients? Why wait? Could it be because your plan actually ends up screwing over the elderly by creating a larger and larger gap between the amount of the voucher and the actual cost of coverage? And since it does that, aren't you basically telling the current recipients "Hey look, you are covered, but you can tell your kids and grand kids to go fark themselves"? Do you really think that people will gladly accept screwing over their children as long as they got theirs? Not everybody is a republican, you know. A lot of us actually care about the future we are leaving our children.


Also: Romneycare is a wonderful things in Massachusetts, but once expanded outside the borders of that state it can only lead to hell on earth.
 
2012-09-04 02:11:22 PM
candidate Obama said: 'I believe that if our government is there to support you ... this plant will be here for another hundred years.'

As I noted in the redlit thread, the actual plant is still there; there are no plans to remove it. Under Obama unemployment has gone down. What exactly is the campaign pledge Ryan is saying that Obama failed to deliver on?
 
2012-09-04 02:16:33 PM
Lyin' Ryan strikes again.
 
2012-09-04 02:28:41 PM
Clintonesque parsing of words there, Ryan. You should be proud.
 
2012-09-04 02:30:05 PM

rudemix: Hunstman and Colbert

Part one of last week Colbert interviews Hunstman. Hunstman's face when Colbert asks regarding Romney 'What are the things that make you just love him as a person?' is priceless. Right about the 5:30 mark. Part includes Colbert asking about Ryan's speech.


For those wondering about the mandarin quote at the end of the episode:

"Okay, let me tell you this: I think in two months, (this) Governor Romney will have a lot of success."


The dude has mastered doublespeak even in his second language.
 
2012-09-04 02:31:11 PM

Lorelle: Lyin' Ryan strikes again.


Mendacious Mitt and Lyin Ryan. The Duplicitous Duo.
 
2012-09-04 02:33:59 PM

Coolfusis: "Okay, let me tell you this: I think in two months, (this) Governor Romney will have a lot of success."


In bed
 
2012-09-04 02:38:45 PM
FTA:[Obama said in Feb 2008] I will lead an effort to retool plants like the GM facility in Janesville so we can build the fuel-efficient cars of tomorrow and create good-paying jobs in Wisconsin and all across America.

I would say bailing out GM so they can stay in business would be leading this effort. Something that Mitt has been on record opposing.

Also, Obama is not CEO of GM and while GM is now partially owned by US taxpayers as a result of the bailout, that does not mean that by proxy the government has carte blanche to decide the fate of individual facilities, especially ones that were already scheduled to close before he took office.
 
2012-09-04 02:39:51 PM
LOOK YOU farkING MORON.
We READ the words of what you said. If you were SAYING something else, why didnt you actually say THOSE words?
Sorry, but you were giving the biggest speech of your life and you farked up. And NOW you are complaining that we didnt read between the magic lines and guess what you meant? SORRY

idiot
 
2012-09-04 02:41:16 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: "Our plan to save Medicare does not affect or change the benefits for anybody who is in or near retirement," Ryan said on ABC.

I will be 47 in November. While I don't believe Ryan when he says current retirees will not be affected, I DO believe when he says only future retirees will. I am not looking forward to some farking stupid-ass voucher program that completely shorts the needs of the elderly.


I'm currently 44. I have paid for medicare/medicaid on every check I have earned in my entire life. That shiat better be there when it's my turn.
 
2012-09-04 02:46:39 PM

sammyk: I'm currently 44. I have paid for medicare/medicaid on every check I have earned in my entire life. That shiat better be there when it's my turn.


it is cute how the GOP is all about saving socsec and medicare .... for the old people.
and fark everyone else, they dont vote GOP anyways.
 
2012-09-04 02:53:41 PM
i47.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-04 02:54:47 PM

Coolfusis: rudemix: Hunstman and Colbert

Part one of last week Colbert interviews Hunstman. Hunstman's face when Colbert asks regarding Romney 'What are the things that make you just love him as a person?' is priceless. Right about the 5:30 mark. Part includes Colbert asking about Ryan's speech.

For those wondering about the mandarin quote at the end of the episode:

"Okay, let me tell you this: I think in two months, (this) Governor Romney will have a lot of success."


The dude has mastered doublespeak even in his second language.


I was wondering but had no idea how to go about finding out. I was hoping for a potshot though.
 
2012-09-04 02:55:36 PM
1) Open transcript of Ryan's acceptance speech.
2) Ctrl-F. Search for "retool".
3) "None found."
4) Profit?

/We can round the number of steps down to 2, right Mr. Ryan?
 
2012-09-04 02:55:52 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: "Our plan to save Medicare does not affect or change the benefits for anybody who is in or near retirement," Ryan said on ABC.

I will be 47 in November. While I don't believe Ryan when he says current retirees will not be affected, I DO believe when he says only future retirees will. I am not looking forward to some farking stupid-ass voucher program that completely shorts the needs of the elderly.


I hit 47 last month. You'd better believe having him as part of the administration scares the hell out of me.
 
2012-09-04 02:56:36 PM
FTFA "Our plan to save Medicare does not affect or change the benefits for anybody who is in or near retirement," Ryan said on ABC.

In other words, we are just going to rape it for the profits of our friends for those NOT near retirement.
 
2012-09-04 02:56:59 PM
They will continue to lie and have admitted they will, because "it's effective".

It's effective because the media generally does not call a lie a lie.
 
2012-09-04 02:57:23 PM

WorldCitizen: FTFA "Our plan to save Medicare does not affect or change the benefits for anybody who is in or near retirement," Ryan said on ABC.

In other words, we are just going to rape it for the profits of our friends for those NOT near retirement.


And the rape will be legitimate, oh yes it will.
 
2012-09-04 02:58:34 PM
Does parsing words work both ways? All Obama said was that the plant was going to be there for 100 years.
Has it been torn down yet? Is the plant still there today? I think Obama kept his word.
 
2012-09-04 03:00:21 PM

Muta: Does parsing words work both ways? All Obama said was that the plant was going to be there for 100 years.
Has it been torn down yet? Is the plant still there today? I think Obama kept his word.


Now some Republican official is going to slate it for demolition, sell it off, or turn it into a parking lot just so Obama lied.
 
2012-09-04 03:00:49 PM

buckler: AdolfOliverPanties: "Our plan to save Medicare does not affect or change the benefits for anybody who is in or near retirement," Ryan said on ABC.

I will be 47 in November. While I don't believe Ryan when he says current retirees will not be affected, I DO believe when he says only future retirees will. I am not looking forward to some farking stupid-ass voucher program that completely shorts the needs of the elderly.

I hit 47 last month. You'd better believe having him as part of the administration scares the hell out of me.


I'm 50 and I am worried as hell Ryan's voucher system will be used to ration healthcare for the elderly.
 
2012-09-04 03:01:02 PM

CPT Ethanolic: [wavada.org image 160x231]


Thanks - I was wondering if someone would bring this up. I think we need to develop a concerted effort to make sure people know Ryan is the reincarnation of Joe Isuzu.
 
2012-09-04 03:02:37 PM
"Our plan to save Medicare does not affect or change the benefits for anybody who is in or near retirement..." Ryan said on ABC.

"... But if you're not near retirement and aren't filthy rich when you retire, you're farked. Vote Republican!"
 
2012-09-04 03:02:53 PM
Again, this guy is way out of his element. His wunderkind status was invented by the right wing media.

He's got nothing, everything is a lie. I guess this passes for clever with some people.
 
2012-09-04 03:03:34 PM
Ryan often chooses the more difficult path for the challenge. Like when he turned down full rides to Harvard, Princeton and Yale to pay for his own way to Miami of Ohio. You see he knew of the grade inflation at the Ivy League schools and didn't want an easy A. He also wanted to pay is own way.
 
2012-09-04 03:04:16 PM
From yesterday:
From Paul Ryan, on the stump in North Carolina yesterday:


In 1980 under Jimmy Carter, 330,000 businesses filed for bankruptcy. Last year, under President Obama's failed leadership, 1.4 million businesses filed for bankruptcy.

It turns out this isn't true. In 1980 there were 43,000 business bankruptcies. Last year there were 47,000.



His campaign people are now claiming he "mis spoke".
 
2012-09-04 03:05:44 PM
"Our plan to save Medicare does not affect or change the benefits for anybody who is in or near retirement," Ryan said on ABC.

As others have mentioned, would it be so farking hard for the media to ask why not if it's such a great plan?
 
2012-09-04 03:06:07 PM
From FOXNews:

On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan's speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech.

Even FOXNews couldn't defend Lyin' Ryan.
 
2012-09-04 03:07:20 PM

shastacola: From yesterday:
From Paul Ryan, on the stump in North Carolina yesterday:


In 1980 under Jimmy Carter, 330,000 businesses filed for bankruptcy. Last year, under President Obama's failed leadership, 1.4 million businesses filed for bankruptcy.

It turns out this isn't true. In 1980 there were 43,000 business bankruptcies. Last year there were 47,000.



His campaign people are now claiming he "mis spoke".


Idea for a new constitutional amendment: Every time a politician "misspeaks" he or she gets a shot to the crotch in a public square. That way, even if it doesn't put a dent in the number of lies told, we get a good show...

/who's with me?
 
2012-09-04 03:07:31 PM
We can't say the word lie, or liar.
 
2012-09-04 03:07:33 PM

shastacola: From yesterday:
From Paul Ryan, on the stump in North Carolina yesterday:


In 1980 under Jimmy Carter, 330,000 businesses filed for bankruptcy. Last year, under President Obama's failed leadership, 1.4 million businesses filed for bankruptcy.

It turns out this isn't true. In 1980 there were 43,000 business bankruptcies. Last year there were 47,000.



His campaign people are now claiming he "mis spoke".


Well it feels like it is 1.4 million. So that's the bankruptcy index you get when you factor in humidity.
 
2012-09-04 03:08:13 PM
It might be a useful word. "liar." but we're afraid of that.
 
2012-09-04 03:09:06 PM
if he would have saved it then govt socialism would have been good? isn't this plant shutting down and not being rescued by the govt exactly what they want?
 
2012-09-04 03:09:36 PM

rudemix: So is he saying it isn't about the correctness of the words as sentences, but the general message he was trying to get out?

Seeing John Hunstman on Colbert last week the night after Ryan's speech was incredible. Colbert asked some pointed questions and Hunstman couldn't control the very telling looks on his face. Questions about honesty and Romney and other things. Hunstman's ability to control the guffaws that were obviously held in were great.I came away with a decent impression of Hunstman after it.

As far as Ryan, the lying shill...
[snltranscripts.jt.org image 160x120]

He researched all those facts in that speech with his wife, Morgan Fairchild.


Huntsman may be a decent guy, but he supports Ryan's budget.
 
2012-09-04 03:12:11 PM

Muta: buckler: AdolfOliverPanties: "Our plan to save Medicare does not affect or change the benefits for anybody who is in or near retirement," Ryan said on ABC.

I will be 47 in November. While I don't believe Ryan when he says current retirees will not be affected, I DO believe when he says only future retirees will. I am not looking forward to some farking stupid-ass voucher program that completely shorts the needs of the elderly.

I hit 47 last month. You'd better believe having him as part of the administration scares the hell out of me.

I'm 50 and I am worried as hell Ryan's voucher system will be used to ration healthcare for the elderly.


I am 51 and I figure they can do what ever they want to medicare/medicaid, something has to be done. I probably can never afford to retire and I hope my employers will still have a health insurance option. I figure with the Affordable Care Act I might still have a chance.
 
2012-09-04 03:12:16 PM

Girl On Couch: shastacola: From yesterday:
From Paul Ryan, on the stump in North Carolina yesterday:


In 1980 under Jimmy Carter, 330,000 businesses filed for bankruptcy. Last year, under President Obama's failed leadership, 1.4 million businesses filed for bankruptcy.

It turns out this isn't true. In 1980 there were 43,000 business bankruptcies. Last year there were 47,000.



His campaign people are now claiming he "mis spoke".

Idea for a new constitutional amendment: Every time a politician "misspeaks" he or she gets a shot to the crotch in a public square. That way, even if it doesn't put a dent in the number of lies told, we get a good show...

/who's with me?


Only if there are olde timey stocks that they have to put their crotches in for kicking.

chagalo.org
 
2012-09-04 03:12:28 PM

Muta: From FOXNews:

On the other hand, to anyone paying the slightest bit of attention to facts, Ryan's speech was an apparent attempt to set the world record for the greatest number of blatant lies and misrepresentations slipped into a single political speech.

Even FOXNews couldn't defend Lyin' Ryan.


Fox News: Yeah, we're pretty much Victor Frankenstein at this point™.
 
2012-09-04 03:13:28 PM

xtalman: Muta: buckler: AdolfOliverPanties: "Our plan to save Medicare does not affect or change the benefits for anybody who is in or near retirement," Ryan said on ABC.

I will be 47 in November. While I don't believe Ryan when he says current retirees will not be affected, I DO believe when he says only future retirees will. I am not looking forward to some farking stupid-ass voucher program that completely shorts the needs of the elderly.

I hit 47 last month. You'd better believe having him as part of the administration scares the hell out of me.

I'm 50 and I am worried as hell Ryan's voucher system will be used to ration healthcare for the elderly.

I am 51 and I figure they can do what ever they want to medicare/medicaid, something has to be done. I probably can never afford to retire and I hope my employers will still have a health insurance option. I figure with the Affordable Care Act I might still have a chance.


I'm 33. I'm f*cked.
 
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