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(BBC)   Recordings of Ringo's first band discovered in the basement, right where the Billboard charts said they were   (bbc.co.uk) divider line 101
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2012-09-04 10:55:26 AM
I can't wait to miss this one...
 
2012-09-04 10:56:35 AM
It was in the bottom of a locked filing cabinet stuck in a disused lavatory with a sign on the door saying Beware of the Leopard
 
2012-09-04 10:57:00 AM
Worst Drummer Ever.
 
2012-09-04 11:00:59 AM

Recordings of Ringo's first band


Gear!
 
2012-09-04 11:03:24 AM
I am amused at how many people diss Ringo, yet there was some silly special where it was mentioned that they had auditioned many drummers before him and liked the fact that he did not simply bang away as everyone else did at the time.

To each their own.
 
2012-09-04 11:05:21 AM
"He had a cloak on and stripped right off to his little gold Speedos," Caldwell recalled. "He dived into the water, came up and carried on singing the song.

"Another time, they had a box on the side of the stage. He made his entrance by jumping from the box onto the stage. He did manage to break a couple of ribs but he still finished the spot and then went off to hospital."


The things you do to draw attention away from drummer..
 
2012-09-04 11:06:04 AM
"She Loves You", was originally titled "She Loves You, Man." And "Help", was originally titled "Help Me, Man!" And "She's Got A Ticket To Ride", was originally "She's Got A Ticket To Ride And The biatch Don't Care, Man"
 
2012-09-04 11:07:43 AM

the_chief: Worst Drummer Ever.


Not even the best drummer in the Beatles.
 
2012-09-04 11:09:10 AM
For some reason, any mention of Ringo is always a sure bet to bring out the Fark Ignorance Brigade If you can handle a few bad words, here's Dave Grohl's view:

.Link
 
2012-09-04 11:09:11 AM
1. I hate how people diss Ringo.
2. Percussion is not the easiest thing in the world.
3. Least favorite Beatle is like least expensive high grade diamond.
4. Geeky early footage of any awesome hall of famer is awesome.
1. I only started this list because I wanted to count to four twice.
2. That was where I was going with it.
3. I've only had a half a cup of coffee.
4. Sorry it wasn't more cleverer.
 
2012-09-04 11:11:58 AM
LEAVE RINGO ALONE!

You are making him cry into his gigantic pile of money earned from drumming poorly.
 
2012-09-04 11:15:58 AM
Hey, I can't drum at all. I wish I could get money for it!
 
2012-09-04 11:17:34 AM
What do you call a drummer without a girlfriend?

Homeless
 
2012-09-04 11:19:05 AM
TFA: Other than Starr and guitarist Lu Walters, whose whereabouts are unknown, the original members of Rory Storm and the Hurricanes have all passed away.

Should have asked the tree

/Rin808
 
2012-09-04 11:21:17 AM
I'd hate to be Ringo: 30 richest drummers in the world.
 
2012-09-04 11:21:46 AM
LabGrrl

Nice piece from Dave Grohl. It only confirms his rep as a good dude.
Also, ditto on Ringo. He's a great drummer, and the Beatles wouldn't have been the same with anyone else behind the kit.
 
2012-09-04 11:22:23 AM

Harry Freakstorm: What do you call a drummer without a girlfriend?

Homeless


How can you tell if the drum riser's level?
Drummer drools out of BOTH sides of his mouth.

How can you tell if it's your drummer on your doorstep?
His knocking's out of time and he comes in late.

// just for symmetry:
// what do you toss your bass player, if he's drowning?
// his amp
 
2012-09-04 11:23:17 AM
How many drummers does it take to change a light bulb?
Five. One to change it, and four to argue that Neil Peart would have done it better...
 
2012-09-04 11:25:27 AM
The wrong two Beatles died first.
 
2012-09-04 11:25:51 AM
Just LISTEN to "Rain". 'Nuff said.
 
2012-09-04 11:27:45 AM

GibbyTheMole: LabGrrl

Nice piece from Dave Grohl. It only confirms his rep as a good dude.
Also, ditto on Ringo. He's a great drummer, and the Beatles wouldn't have been the same with anyone else behind the kit.


This on both counts. Ringo was and is a human metronome.
 
2012-09-04 11:30:02 AM
The only thing worse than being Ringo, and being made fun of for it, is being Pete Best. Talk about the shiatty end of the stick!!
 
2012-09-04 11:35:12 AM

Harry Freakstorm: What do you call a drummer without a girlfriend?

Homeless



What do you call a person that hangs out with musicians?

A drummer.
 
2012-09-04 11:35:32 AM

Waxing_Chewbacca: GibbyTheMole: LabGrrl

Nice piece from Dave Grohl. It only confirms his rep as a good dude.
Also, ditto on Ringo. He's a great drummer, and the Beatles wouldn't have been the same with anyone else behind the kit.

This on both counts. Ringo was and is a human metronome.


I don't understand all the grief he gets for *not* being a total AW.
 
2012-09-04 11:36:06 AM

brewssuds: I'd hate to be Ringo: 30 richest drummers in the world.


The drummers from the Dead have over 50 mil between them? Very surprised. Great rhythm section and all, but they didn't sell all that many albums and their tours weren't in the modern triple digit ticket price era. They must have invested with Owlsley or something.
 
2012-09-04 11:42:00 AM

Barnstormer: brewssuds: I'd hate to be Ringo: 30 richest drummers in the world.

The drummers from the Dead have over 50 mil between them? Very surprised. Great rhythm section and all, but they didn't sell all that many albums and their tours weren't in the modern triple digit ticket price era. They must have invested with Owlsley or something.


Mickey Hart wrote some very commercial books to go with his solo albums, produced all that world music on Ryko, and he and Billy did incidental music for Apocalypse now. More likely they both cashed in on northern Cali real estate.
 
2012-09-04 11:50:31 AM

Dr Dreidel: Harry Freakstorm: What do you call a drummer without a girlfriend?

Homeless

How can you tell if the drum riser's level?
Drummer drools out of BOTH sides of his mouth.

How can you tell if it's your drummer on your doorstep?
His knocking's out of time and he comes in late.

ManRay: Harry Freakstorm: What do you call a drummer without a girlfriend?

Homeless


What do you call a person that hangs out with musicians?

A drummer.


i chortled...getting funny looks from coworkers now

/drummer

Waxing_Chewbacca: GibbyTheMole: LabGrrl
This on both counts. Ringo was and is a human metronome.


truth
 
2012-09-04 11:53:13 AM
Do you want me to play too fast or too slow?
 
2012-09-04 11:54:10 AM
Here's some more opinions from other people who obviously have no credibility (& also Buddy Rich being...himself):

Kenny Arnoff -- "I consider him one of the greatest innovators of rock drumming and believe that he has been one of the greatest influences on rock drumming today... Ringo has influenced drummers more than they will ever realize or admit. Ringo laid down the fundamental rock beat that drummers are playing today and they probably don't even realize it. (Modern Drummer,Oct. 1987) . . Ringo always approached the song more like a songwriter than a drummer. He always served the music." (Modern Drummer, Dec. 1987)

Editor of Modern Drummer magazine, presenting the Editor's Achievement Award to Ringo -- "What is beyond question is Ringo's impact on an entire generation of drummers who first became drummers as a direct result of seeing and hearing him play in the early days of The Beatles. Literally hundreds of thousands of players -- including some of the greatest drummers playing today -- cite Ringo as their first motivating influence."



Max Weinberg -- "D. J. Fontana had introduced me to the power of the big beat. Ringo convinced me just how powerful that rhythm could be. Ringo's beat was heard around the world and he drew the spotlight toward rock and roll drummer. From ;his matched grip style to his pioneering use of staggered tom tom fills, his influence in rock drumming was as important and wide spread as Gene Krupa's had been in jazz." (The Big Beat, 1984)



Jim Keltner -- "I will always be there to support him. He's more than a dear friend. He's like an idol. He's everything to me. I still think of him musically every time I sit down and play drums. He's a very important guy to me. (Discoveries magazine, April 1993)



Phil Collins, drummer for Genesis -- "I think he's vastly underrated. The drum fills on A Day In The Life are very complex things. You could take a great drummer today and say, 'I want it like that.' They wouldn't know what to do." (interview for The Making of Sgt. Pepper, 1992)



Alex Van Halen -- " One of the most interesting things about Ringo is how he manage to maintain a level of self-esteem -- in addition to being a great player, of course. But he wasn't overshadowed as a human being by McCartney, Lennon or Harrison. I think he did a wonderful thing for drums because drummers would see him and think, "Hey, he's part of it, too." (Modern Drummer magazine, July 1993)



Andy Sturmer, drummer for Jellyfish -- "Ringo is a great guy and really amazing drummer. He has that feel that's between a shuffle and straight eights -- Ringo territory that nobody else can do. He played some amazing stuff on that (Time Takes Time) album." ( Modern Drummer, Aug. 1993)



Rory Storm -- "During the four or five years Ringo was with us, he really played the drums. He drove them. He sweated and swung and sung. Ringo sang about five numbers a night. He even had his own spot. It was called 'Ringo Starrtime.' " (Beatles Companion by Ted Greenwald)



D. J. Fontana -- "I was playing maracas or something behind him, just listening to him. I swear he never varied the tempo. He played that back beat and never got off it. Man, you couldn't have moved him with a crane. It was amazing. He played a hell of a back beat, Man, and that's where it's at." (interview for The Big Beat by Max Weinberg)



Don Was -- "As a drummer, he influenced three generations of rock drummers. It's not very flashy playing, but it's very musical. Instead of just counting the bars, he's playing the song, and he puts fills in unusual places that are directed by the vocal." (The St. Louis Post Dispatch, 1992)



George Martin -- "Ringo always got and still gets a unique sound out of his drums, as sound as distinctive as his voice. ... Ringo gets a looser deeper sound out of his drums that is unique. ...This detailed attention to the tone of his drums is one of the reasons for Ringo's brilliance. Another is that although Ringo does not keep time with a metronome accuracy, he has unrivaled feel for a song. If his timing fluctuates, it invariably does so in the right place at the right time, keep the right atmosphere going on the track and give it a rock solid foundation. This held true for every single Beatles number Richie played ... Ringo also was a great tom tom player." ( Summer of Love, 1994)



Mike Finkelstein -- "If you have ever been in a band where you had to recreate Beatle songs, you would have realized that Ringo Starr was no slouch. Those drum parts were very tricky and subtle. He did have a special ability to create interesting rhythmic structures within the music. This gave the Beatles a unique sound without loosing that distinctive drive in rock and roll. ... Ringo moved smoothly from verse to chorus without loosing the groove by subtly changing a texture in the rhythm. Ringo is an important drummer to study well." (Teach Yourself Rock Drumming, 1979)



Bob Cianci -- "He must have done something right. People today still look for people who play like Ringo. If you don't believe me, just check the musical ads. On top of all this, he certainly inspired countless millions of teenagers worldwide to learn drums. There's no doubt it, Ringo's a very important rock drummer. ... What Ringo does on the most basic of terms is make the music feel good. He refers to his playing as being fraught with silly fills due to his self-admitted lack of technique, but he says it proudly. ... Sometimes chops do not a real drummer make." (Great Rock Drummers of the 60s, 1989)



Peter Blake -- "Ringo is one of the most important drummers of the 20th century. While he hasn't got any technique to speak of, he realizes how important It is for a song to feel good. His feel is absolutely tremendous. He got some great sounds on the Beatles records. It wasn't all production and microphones, a lot of it was down to the way he tuned them. ... He has tremendous basic ability. Obviously there were people playing in a straight-forward manner before him, but he had a definite feel and he changed pop drumming around. He changed the sound from hat of the high-pitched jazz drummers. I think he's tremendous." (Speaking Words of Wisdom)



Mark Lewisohn -- "It is true that on only a handful of occasions during all of the several hundred session tapes and thousands of recording hours can Ringo be heard to have made a mistake or wavered in his beat. His work was remarkably consistent and excellent, from 1962 right through 1970." ( The Beatles Recording Sessions, 1988)



George Martin -- "Ringo has a tremendous feel for a song and he always helped us hit the right tempo the first time. He was rock solid. This made the recording of all the Beatle songs so much easier." (interviewed in 1988 for The Beatles Recording Sessions by Mark Lewisohn)



Tim Riley -- "Ringo wanted to serve the songs rather than show off. As a song writer's drummer, Ringo was the type of musician who could follow instructions as he completed the overall sound. His commitment to the music was bigger than his ego." ( Tell Me Why, 1988)



Kenny Aronoff -- "He consistently came up with new ideas that always seemed perfect for the song, but it wasn't just a matter of him picking a basic beat for a song, because lots of drummers could do that. Ringo definitely had the right kind of personality and creative ideas for The Beatles music. You will rarely find a Beatles song without something noticeable that Ringo played or didn't play." (Modern Drummer magazine, Oct. 1987)



Al Kooper -- "Sgt. Pepper was the album that changed drumming more than anything else. Before that album, drum fills in rock and roll were pretty rudimentary, all much the same, and this record had what I call space fills where they would leave a tremendous amount of air. It was most appealing to me musically and the sound of the drums got much better. What I had to figure out now was what am I going to do to get drums to sound like that." (Summer of Love by George Martin, 1994)



Martin Torgoff -- "If I could think of a single passage in which Ringo's quintessential style as a drummer is most identifiable, it could well be something as, say, the drumming behind George's guitar solo in Paul's "Let It Be" after the organ trails off. There, in simple 4-4 time, Ringo comes in with a trademark thump of his base drum, clear tattering snare, and his insistent smashing of the high hat, unvarying, unyielding, yet distinctively Ringo, and you can't help but smile not for its banality but because it is so perfectly adequate and because one can readily envision Ringo behind his kit as he plays, his beringed fingers clutching his sticks, swaying beatifically from side to side as he gets on with his work, blinking those astonishingly saturnine blue eyes." (The Compleat Beatles, 1985)



Dino Danelli, drummer for The Rascals -- "I liked him. He had great style. I never saw anyone play the way he did. I liked his simplicity. (1984 interview for The Big Beat by Max Weinberg)



George Martin -- "I did quickly realize that Ringo was an excellent drummer for what was required. He's not a technical drummer. Men like Buddy Rich and Gene Krupa would run rings around him, but he is a good solid rock drummer with a steady beat, and he knows how to get the right sound out of his drums. Above all, he does have an individual sound. You can tell Ringo's drums from anyone else's and that character was a definite asset to the Beatles' early recordings." (All You Need Is Ears, 1979)



Mike McCartney -- "There were quite a few drummers around Liverpool and I used to go home and tell Paul about Ringo. I often saw him play with Rory Storm. ...With Rory he was a very inventive drummer. He goes around the drums like crazy. He doesn't just hit them -- he invents sounds." (1983 interview for The Beatles: A Celebration by Geoffrey Guilliano, 1992)



Max Weinberg -- "More than any other drummer, Ringo Starr changed my life. The impact and memory of that band on Ed Sullivan Show in 1964 will never leave me. I can still see Ringo in the back moving that beat with his whole body, his right hand swinging off his sock cymbal while his left hand pounds the snare. He was fantastic, but I think what got to me the most was his smile. I knew he was having the time of his life." (The Big Beat, 1984)



Lenny Kaye -- "He was always meant to be utilitarian, a drummer to provide feisty beat. He did this directly with wit imagination and the famous Ringo personality. And his Spartan Ludwig kit showed his ability to cut economically to the heart of the rhythm." (interview for The Compleat Beatles, 1985)



Martin Torgoff -- "As a drummer, he was a natural, purely intuitive, remarkably tasteful, spirited, but always basic, a proponent of less is more school of minimal drumming. ...He had an uncanny understanding of John's rhythm and Paul's base line. Time and again, the Beatles rode his backbeat to glory. Precisely because he never overstated a beat, or over accented a phrase (unless it was appropriate) he managed to get more mileage out of his licks than most drummers could ever dream of. The results were extraordinary." (The Compleat Beatles, 1985)



Don Was -- "Ringo's drums are one of the greatest things you can have on a record."



Buddy Rich -- "Ringo Starr was adequate. No more than that." (Speaking Words of Wisdom by Spencer Leigh [Leigh's note: "Buddy Rich's opinions were as forceful as his drumming. So don't be dismayed, Ringo, he paying you a compliment."])



Dave Ballinger -- "Technically brilliant drummers do not necessary make good rock drummers. ...You don't have to be a technical Buddy Rich type drummer, you just need to be inventive. He (Ringo) did things I would never have thought of doing." (interview for Speaking Words of Wisdom)



Chris Whitten -- " I think I understand why he (Paul) loves Ringo, now after working with him. Paul loves 50s Rock 'n' Roll and Ringo is a great 50s Rock 'n' Roll drummer." (Rhythm magazine, 1990)



Hal Howland -- "It is fascinating to trace the drummer's stylistic development from rock-steady club veteran to studio innovator ... Ringo's command of an exhaustive list of arrangements and new originals is matched only by his versitility. (review for Modern Drummer magazine, June 1995)

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2012-09-04 11:54:16 AM

the_chief: Worst Drummer Ever.


worse than peter kriss?
 
2012-09-04 11:54:55 AM
...and by peter kriss i meant Peter Criss.
 
2012-09-04 11:56:40 AM
I've said it once and I'll say it again--the Beatles wouldn't have had near the cultural and commercial impact they had without Ringo's image and personality. They even recognized this. Every narrative Beatles movie is about Ringo.
 
2012-09-04 11:57:20 AM
Ringo was such a bad drummer that Keith Moon was a close friend and godfather to Ringo's son Zak, who taught Zak to drum at Ringo's request. That kind of thing is always happening to bad drummers.

Superjew: You are making him cry into his gigantic pile of money earned from drumming poorly.


He also still married to Barbara Bach, so he may occasionally have to push the piles of money off the bed and onto the floor.
 
2012-09-04 11:57:37 AM
Would Help! or Yellow Submarine work with Pete Best?
 
2012-09-04 11:57:45 AM
I don't know why everyone hates on Ringo. He had great showmanship and he was always on time. You can recognize every song just from the drums. The "world's worst drummer" was the best choice for The Beatles.
 
2012-09-04 11:59:14 AM

Dr Dreidel:
How can you tell if it's your drummer on your doorstep?
His knocking's out of time and he comes in late.


Thought that was how do you tell if it's your singer on the doorstep?

Cool joke bro.

A scientific expedition disembarks from its plane at the final outpost of civilisation in the deepest Amazon rain forest. They immediately notice the ceaseless thrumming of native drums. As they venture further into the bush, the drums never stop, day or night, for weeks. The lead scientist asks one of the natives about this, and the native's only reply is "Drums good. Drums never stop. Very bad if drums stop."

The drumming continues, night and day, until one night, six weeks into the trip, when the jungle is suddenly silent. Immediately the natives run screaming from their huts, covering their ears. The scientists grab one boy and demand "What is it? The drums have stopped!" The terror-stricken youth replies "Yes! Drums stop! Very bad!" The scientists ask "Why? Why? What will happen?"

Wide-eyed, the boy responds, " . . . BASS SOLO!!!"
/CJB
 
2012-09-04 12:03:34 PM

cleveoh: Here's some more opinions from other people who obviously have no credibility (& also Buddy Rich being...himself):


Thanks for posting that and coming to his well-deserved defense. Yes he was overshadowed by his bandmates... I guess that makes him an easy target. But just because he was overshadowed doesn't mean he doesn't deserve credit for his outstanding accomplishments.
 
2012-09-04 12:04:47 PM
How do you get a drummer off of your porch?

Pay him for the pizza.
 
2012-09-04 12:04:50 PM

JWideman: I don't know why everyone hates on Ringo. He had great showmanship and he was always on time. You can recognize every song just from the drums. The "world's worst drummer" was the best choice for The Beatles.


I think it's just to be with the "cool kids" in hammering a cliche to death. Anyone who truly believes Ringo is a horrible drummer, and the Beatles would have done just fine without him, well, they have no clue. I applaud the efforts to defend him, but I'm guessing it will give the haters/pretenders more ammo.

/also remember, any guitarist clip you post, the guitarists here are MUCH better
//time for the "welcome to fark" jpg
 
2012-09-04 12:08:14 PM

FarkedOver: How many drummers does it take to change a light bulb?
Five. One to change it, and four to argue that Neil Peart would have done it better...


How many lead singers does it take to screw in a light bulb?

One. He holds the bulb while the wbole world revolves around him.
 
2012-09-04 12:12:50 PM
Did you hear about the rock band that locked their keys in the van?

It took them over an hour to get the drummer out.

jeffpicard.com 

/I like Ringo's music, btw.
//Mostly because I'm not a music snob.
 
2012-09-04 12:19:35 PM

Easy Reader: Would Help! or Yellow Submarine work with Pete Best?


Love Me Do didn't work with Pete Best

Proof that Ringo was an upgrade.

/Ringo was never Keith Moon or Ginger Baker but he could play a steady 4/4 backbeat and gave George Martin everything he asked for in the studio
 
2012-09-04 12:20:40 PM
If you got it together enough to play with Lennon, Harrison and McCartney for 10 years, then stupid little voices on Fark don't bohter you. Sorry wannabe iconoclasts, Ringo wins.

Peace, man.
 
2012-09-04 12:24:13 PM
Drummers rock... and the really good ones scare small children...

991.com

www.contactmusic.com

userserve-ak.last.fm
 
2012-09-04 12:29:40 PM
Ah, bag on him all you like, he can keep the beat and is not too fluffy and no overkill like some drummers.

/Ex drummer, grew up on the Beatles.
 
2012-09-04 12:32:32 PM
Try beating out a steady 4/4 measure for 5 minutes and see how easy it is. Ringo was always just enough and never too much.
 
2012-09-04 12:34:57 PM
Stop pick'n on the poor boy. It's not his fault he has a big nose.
 
2012-09-04 12:37:10 PM
He was in a band before the All-Starr Band?
 
2012-09-04 12:46:09 PM

GibbyTheMole: LabGrrl

Nice piece from Dave Grohl. It only confirms his rep as a good dude.


That was a good interview, or whatever.

It's interesting that in a business known for dickishness, drummers consistently are noted as decent human beings. Besides Ringo, there's Neil Peart, Levon Helm, Gavin Harrison - all known for being good guys. Well, in Levon's case, WAS known for being a mensch.
 
2012-09-04 12:46:40 PM
Ringo is actually left handed and playing a right handed drum kit.

Paul is actually right handed but plays guitar left handed.
 
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