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(Washington Post)   Best Korea could actually become a better Korea if new leader Kim Jong Eun continues with his hints of reform   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 116
    More: Interesting, Kim Jong-un, leader Kim, North Koreans, land reforms, North Korean defectors, labor camp, Radio Free Asia, Scott Snyder  
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2012-09-04 05:29:49 AM  
If that's true, that would explain why his Generals were so discontent with him when he first took power, and as the months have passed. They get kinda pissy when their budgets get cut.
 
2012-09-04 06:23:35 AM  
Kim Jong Un - Hope and Change!

Well, we can hope for that change at least. The article isn't saying it will change and acknowledges it will take years but there are hints of reform even though they also seem to be continuing the saber-rattling of the past.

Eun has at least been exposed to European schooling - I'm not sure if Il ever had that much exposure, but even if he had, it's a different world now. He's got to realize that the quality of life in his country kind of sucks.
 
2012-09-04 07:33:46 AM  
Would that make it Even More Best Korea?
 
2012-09-04 07:35:51 AM  
He needs to tread lightly around the Generals, and surround himself with people that he would trust with his life. In that type of a political climate it isn't as easy as declaring 'freedom.'
 
2012-09-04 07:36:57 AM  
www.washingtonpost.com

The day I have to walk in the mud is the day things have to change.
 
2012-09-04 07:41:09 AM  
From the comments:

satxusa wrote:
9:31 PM UTC+1000"tantalizing elements of capitalism"

While America under Obama moves our country towards the destruction of the North Korean model, North Korea starts to move toward our economic model.

We will deteriorate and they will improve.

Is anyone paying attention?


*facepalm*
 
2012-09-04 07:42:36 AM  
If I was an all powerful leader and I saw a picture with a guy standing behind and to my left glaring at me like that i'd have him executed. That's a "you'll drown in a butt of wine!" look.
 
2012-09-04 07:44:09 AM  

Serious Black: Would that make it Even More Best Korea?


Bester Korea.

/Korea is Mother, Korea is Father.
 
2012-09-04 07:45:14 AM  
Stranger things have happened. Look at how Burma is cautiously opening up.
 
2012-09-04 07:45:35 AM  
i47.tinypic.com

Let a whole new wave of cruelty wash over this lazy land!
 
das
2012-09-04 07:47:56 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Serious Black: Would that make it Even More Best Korea?

Bester Korea.

/Korea is Mother, Korea is Father.


More bestest!!
 
2012-09-04 07:48:16 AM  
Kim Jung EUN is it now?

I guess Fatty DingDongs got tired of all the snickerings behind his back that part of his name was associated with a certain international agency that prevented his family from taking over all of Korea, huh?

vlsatcop16.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-09-04 07:50:22 AM  
resources3.news.com.au

Everyone is so happy when Greatest Best Leader comes to visit. Look at all the happy faces. 

(that's a direct order. LOOK AT ALL THE HAPPY FACES!!)
 
2012-09-04 07:51:01 AM  
You know its bad when your country is described as 'could be like China in the late 1970's'
 
2012-09-04 07:52:45 AM  
i really hope this guy brings in some real reforms and ends hostilities with the west... The alternatives are not pretty...
 
2012-09-04 07:59:15 AM  
I want to know where to get one of those hats the Generals wear.

cdn.theatlantic.com
 
2012-09-04 08:05:57 AM  

Archie Goodwin: Serious Black: Would that make it Even More Best Korea?

Bester Korea.

/Korea is Mother, Korea is Father.


Number Eun Korea.
 
2012-09-04 08:07:49 AM  

Matthew Keene: I want to know where to get one of those hats the Generals wear.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 615x300]


The General Store.

Hah!

Thank you, thank you. I'll be here all week.
 
2012-09-04 08:11:17 AM  
In one notable appearance, he also chastised North Korean officials for their "outdated, ideological" way of thinking.

He knows that, economically, South Korea already won.

/원
 
2012-09-04 08:13:07 AM  
Hope and change coming to North Korea, Your turn Obama...
 
2012-09-04 08:15:05 AM  

sendtodave: He knows that, economically, South Korea already won.


Far more than economically. Reunification of the Koreas would be a national disaster for the South's economy. You would literally be trying to modernize a society which is living in an infrastructure comparable to the 1930s.
 
2012-09-04 08:15:15 AM  

Matthew Keene: I want to know where to get one of those hats the Generals wear.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 615x300]


You can pick one up from one of their many forced labor death camps.
 
2012-09-04 08:16:38 AM  
i512.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-04 08:17:21 AM  

Honest Bender: Matthew Keene: I want to know where to get one of those hats the Generals wear.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 615x300]

You can pick one up from one of their many forced labor death camps.


Do they have any locations in Ohio?
 
2012-09-04 08:20:17 AM  
Honestly, I was hoping the fact that he was educated in 21 century Switzerland would have an impact and it appears to have.

Sucks to be Kim, though. Imagine yourself in that position. Don't reform enough, you guarantee your own demise. Reform too much, and either the generals will get anxious or the people will demand everything at once. Really a no win proposition for Kim. Not that I'm gonna shed tears over his troubles.
 
mhd
2012-09-04 08:24:15 AM  
cdn.theatlantic.com
"I see the way you look at him. I'm a man, too, you know? I go pee pee standing up."
 
2012-09-04 08:27:38 AM  

Trapper439: While America under Obama moves our country towards the destruction of the North Korean model, North Korea starts to move toward our economic model.

We will deteriorate and they will improve.


That was the thought that came to mind when I first saw the article.

I remember in the 1970's, Chinese police were devoted to arresting people for making and selling clothes out of their apartments. How could any country prosper when they keep arresting their most ambitious people for being ambitious.
 
2012-09-04 08:29:58 AM  
cdn.theatlantic.com
After digging for gold, dear leader says "Smell this General"
 
2012-09-04 08:32:21 AM  
img1.fark.net tag unavailable, in re-education camp
 
2012-09-04 08:36:35 AM  

Slaxl: If I was an all powerful leader and I saw a picture with a guy standing behind and to my left glaring at me like that i'd have him executed


He wasn't glaring, he's just Korean.

*runs*
 
2012-09-04 08:37:40 AM  

Matthew Keene: Honest Bender: Matthew Keene: I want to know where to get one of those hats the Generals wear.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 615x300]

You can pick one up from one of their many forced labor death camps.

Do they have any locations in Ohio?


I believe it's called Youngstown.
 
2012-09-04 08:38:35 AM  
img842.imageshack.us
 
2012-09-04 08:39:58 AM  

Matthew Keene: Honest Bender: Matthew Keene: I want to know where to get one of those hats the Generals wear.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 615x300]

You can pick one up from one of their many forced labor death camps.

Do they have any locations in Ohio?


No, but the Tea Party assures me that Obama is working with FEMA on some out west.

smitty04: Trapper439: While America under Obama moves our country towards the destruction of the North Korean model, North Korea starts to move toward our economic model.

We will deteriorate and they will improve.

That was the thought that came to mind when I first saw the article.

I remember in the 1970's, Chinese police were devoted to arresting people for making and selling clothes out of their apartments. How could any country prosper when they keep arresting their most ambitious people for being ambitious.


The noble Brutus
Hath told you Caesar was ambitious:
If it were so, it was a grievous fault,
And grievously hath Caesar answered it ...
Here, under leave of Brutus and the rest,
(For Brutus is an honourable man;
So are they all; all honourable men)
Come I to speak in Caesar's funeral ...
He was my friend, faithful and just to me:
But Brutus says he was ambitious;
And Brutus is an honourable man....
 
2012-09-04 08:40:32 AM  
So are they all related or is "Kim Jong" a title like "Darth"?
 
2012-09-04 08:42:37 AM  
That's all well and good, but what does this mean for the future of "Lee Myung-Bak and the rat-like" comics? There are important things at stake here, people.
 
2012-09-04 08:44:39 AM  
The Generals probably know better than anyone else how farked their country is. They've been to China, some of them have even been to Eastern Europe (Romania and East Germany mainly, I think), so even compartively they know how hollow a shell the DPRK really is.

Some of them are probably the ones pushing Eun towards opening things up a bit. Of course it's going to fail and fail hard, a little bit of freedom rarely works out well. It seems to be sort of working out in China because it's such an overwhelmingly huge country it's easy to avoid comparisons with it's neighbours (Japan and the ROk are historically put into that 'uncomfortable blind spot); the DPRK doesn't have that luxury, and worse, there's a nation full of the exact same people doing immeasurably better. As soon as that realization hits whatever passes for a DPRK middle-class (those people outside of the military, but above the peasants, the technocrats and mid-level party members) then it will be over for the regime.
 
2012-09-04 08:45:06 AM  

Here'sJohnny: Honestly, I was hoping the fact that he was educated in 21 century Switzerland would have an impact and it appears to have.

Sucks to be Kim, though. Imagine yourself in that position. Don't reform enough, you guarantee your own demise. Reform too much, and either the generals will get anxious or the people will demand everything at once. Really a no win proposition for Kim. Not that I'm gonna shed tears over his troubles.


Considering the people in Power in the NK military were the zealous followers of his Daddy's personality cult - erm, I mean religion, too much reform would probably guarantee him suffering an unfortunate accident on a train ride somewhere. KJI was not an idiot, despite being portrayed as such popularly. He knew that his dictatorship's greatest enemy was reason and free thought, and the freedoms of the people to do as such. He built his society and support up around that - including surrounding himself and his military command with people who were deathly loyal to him.
 
2012-09-04 08:48:45 AM  

Happy Hours: Kim Jong


does this count (from wikipedia)

Kim is also said to have received English language education at the University of Malta in the early 1970s,[18] on his infrequent holidays in Malta as guest of Prime Minister Dom Mintoff.[19]
 
2012-09-04 08:51:31 AM  
It is a shame, North Korea was good at conserving electricity.
chicagoboyz.net
 
2012-09-04 09:00:06 AM  

Matthew Keene: Honest Bender: Matthew Keene: I want to know where to get one of those hats the Generals wear.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 615x300]

You can pick one up from one of their many forced labor death camps.

Do they have any locations in Ohio?


You're going to have to wait until after the election. I've been assured that if Fartbongo wins a second term, all white Christians will be forced into FEMA camps run by the Black Panthers and illegal immigrants. Of course, even if he loses, he's still going to seize power and do it anyways, so the election is pretty pointless. Be afraid!!
 
2012-09-04 09:06:06 AM  

smitty04: Trapper439: While America under Obama moves our country towards the destruction of the North Korean model, North Korea starts to move toward our economic model.

We will deteriorate and they will improve.

That was the thought that came to mind when I first saw the article.

I remember in the 1970's, Chinese police were devoted to arresting people for making and selling clothes out of their apartments. How could any country prosper when they keep arresting their most ambitious people for being ambitious.


You didn't quote my whole post. Those weren't my words, I was just quoting one of the comments below the article in order to point out how farking stupid it was.

Anyone who thinks that Obama is moving the US towards a North Korean model of government is a goddamned retard. And yes, I've seen your posts on other threads, so I'm inclined to include you in that number.
 
2012-09-04 09:08:09 AM  
No, Kim is their last name, which they share due to being a dynasty.
 
2012-09-04 09:13:47 AM  
Great Successor: "We should let our farmers own a plot of land, and sell their crops for the going price on the market. Show of hands -- who's with me on that?"

<Two weeks go by...>

Great Successor: "A lot of new faces here..."
 
2012-09-04 09:19:00 AM  
Best Korea could actually become a better Korea if new leader Kim Jong Eun continues with his hints of reform

And my apartment could actually become a better apartment if I crapped out gold nuggets.
 
2012-09-04 09:24:10 AM  

Matthew Keene: I want to know where to get one of those hats the Generals wear.

[cdn.theatlantic.com image 615x300]


There was a website that sold hats like those. Not sure how accurate they were, but they were modeled after different various governments.
 
2012-09-04 09:30:46 AM  

ObeliskToucher: Great Successor: "We should let our farmers own a plot of land, and sell their crops for the going price on the market. Show of hands -- who's with me on that?"

<Two weeks go by...>

Great Successor: "A lot of new faces here..."


Pretty much this.

Regardless of if he intends to enact reforms or not, he has rapidly consolidated power over the last few months by assuming many official government and party positions while removing some of his fathers generals and replacing them with his own.
 
2012-09-04 09:36:01 AM  
Well if they only sent the immediate family of a person who bad mouthed him rather than 2 generations, that would be improvement. The bar isn't set too high.
 
2012-09-04 09:36:16 AM  

no icon tact: [img842.imageshack.us image 640x481]


Very nice, and for some reason seeing Short Round on there made me lose it.
 
2012-09-04 09:58:26 AM  

sprag: no icon tact: [img842.imageshack.us image 640x481]

Very nice, and for some reason seeing Short Round on there made me lose it.


Short Round credit to JudgeMuttonChop as per the orig thread. I added Drew, "biatch stole my fish", firestarter girl and yo dawg. Current Resident did the Lootie, and Abe Vigoda's Ghost started it with "could be aliens" goodness.

I can't get enough of this shop, so I recycle on any Best Korea threads, which are some of my fave threads on there. They are such an odd homogeneous cloistered people, as different as long lost Amazonian tribe, 'cept with accordion covers of AHA songs.
 
2012-09-04 10:03:46 AM  
It would be nice if one of the last whackjob socialist societies decides to give capitalism a try.
 
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