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(MacRumors)   Hackers release 12,367,232 Apple iOS UDIDs - complete with names, phone numbers and other personal info - that they got from the FBI in March   (macrumors.com) divider line 89
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2012-09-04 10:50:50 AM  

Giltric: Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: That doesn't answer why he has them. 12 million ID's sounds like an awfully large net for any kind of investigation

hmmm missed the link first time around.


Link


Holy cats:

"Main Core contains personal and financial data of millions of U.S. citizens believed to be threats to national security. The data, which comes from the NSA, FBI, CIA, and other sources, is collected and stored without warrants or court orders. ... As of 2008 there are reportedly eight million Americans listed in the database as possible threats, often for trivial reasons, whom the government may choose to track, question, or detain in a time of crisis."

Deep in his grave, J. Edgar Hoovre is furiously beating off.
 
2012-09-04 10:55:56 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Giltric: Giltric: HotWingConspiracy: That doesn't answer why he has them. 12 million ID's sounds like an awfully large net for any kind of investigation

hmmm missed the link first time around.


Link

Holy cats:

"Main Core contains personal and financial data of millions of U.S. citizens believed to be threats to national security. The data, which comes from the NSA, FBI, CIA, and other sources, is collected and stored without warrants or court orders. ... As of 2008 there are reportedly eight million Americans listed in the database as possible threats, often for trivial reasons, whom the government may choose to track, question, or detain in a time of crisis."

Deep in his grave, J. Edgar Hoovre is furiously beating off.


Hoover. Ugh.
 
2012-09-04 10:56:14 AM  

Carth: I'm sure if it goes to trial the SCOTUS will rule it constitution because of umm... something something something commerce clause.


My money is on "something something terrorists something something with us or against us" personally.
 
2012-09-04 10:58:40 AM  

Vaneshi: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: and that's going to feel good to a lot of people who don't want to learn how their toys work.

Or people who spend all day fixing the sodding things and just want their machine at home to a) work b) look good c) someone else to fix it.

I/We might enjoy tinkering and general geekery but well... I spent all damn day fixing computers... screw it.


Granted, but that's not the point I'm making. My point is that Apple actively discourages and obscures their own users' knowledge of their own devices. You're not fooled, but many people are, and the purpose is to ensure customer loyalty by making users dependent on the provider.
 
2012-09-04 10:59:42 AM  
You can check to see if your UDID was on the list here.

I checked my iPad 2 (wifi only) and iPhone 4. It didn't appear to be on the list. Full disclosure, formerly on AT&T, now on Straight Talk (AT&T prepaid MVNO).

Get you UDID using this guide.
 
2012-09-04 11:18:47 AM  

jso2897: In fact, the more information they collect, the better. The more they know about everybody, the less they know about anybody.


Yeah...It's impossible to pour that info into a filterable/searchable database and create a dossier for every citizen in the country.
If you have someone's cell phone info and their financial data (and an info web like the government has deployed), it would be pretty easy to track them throughout the day.
Hell, your phone transmits GPS coordinates of where you are, and can even transmit voice and video when it is turned off....that's creepy.
 
2012-09-04 11:32:26 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch:
Deep in his grave, J. Edgar Hoovre is furiously beating off.


Whilst wearing a fetching twinset and pearls.
 
2012-09-04 11:35:53 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: SVenus: Isn't there a place on the 1040EZ form for Apple UDID?

Yes, but since so many Apple users are tax-deductible dependents, it's not used much.


i267.photobucket.com
 
2012-09-04 11:36:34 AM  
your government cares about what you're doing:

cdn.mos.totalfilm.com
 
2012-09-04 11:38:42 AM  
The camera is always on on your Apple device, you deviated perverts.
 
2012-09-04 11:39:22 AM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: and the purpose is to ensure customer loyalty by making users dependent on the provider.


Well yes but you can equally argue that Google does the exact same trick with Android. Sure you have a multitude of stores to select (a good thing IMHO) and you can install apk's yourself (another good thing IMHO).

But you can't transfer those purchases to an iOS device or vice versa (a bad thing IMHO), once you're in to any great degree on either platform it can be quite irksome and possibly expensive to go somewhere else.
 
2012-09-04 11:55:17 AM  
Came to make an iOS IUD joke, leaving after realizing it was lame.
 
2012-09-04 11:55:35 AM  

neversubmit: mcreadyblue: If you are innocent, you have nothing to fear.

If you are afraid, you are guilty.


Da, tovarisch. Report your brothers! Keep Amerika safe! You are all guilty until you prove that you are not!
 
2012-09-04 11:57:05 AM  
I am gonna come out of my self imposed exile to say one thing....


Change we can believe in
 
2012-09-04 11:58:08 AM  

Vaneshi: Sylvia_Bandersnatch:
Deep in his grave, J. Edgar Hoovre is furiously beating off.

Whilst wearing a fetching twinset and pearls.


Ha ha, because he was a cross-dresser. What are you, twelve?
 
2012-09-04 12:00:27 PM  

Vaneshi: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: and the purpose is to ensure customer loyalty by making users dependent on the provider.

Well yes but you can equally argue that Google does the exact same trick with Android. Sure you have a multitude of stores to select (a good thing IMHO) and you can install apk's yourself (another good thing IMHO).

But you can't transfer those purchases to an iOS device or vice versa (a bad thing IMHO), once you're in to any great degree on either platform it can be quite irksome and possibly expensive to go somewhere else.


Could you try that again in *coherent* English, please? I'm about half getting it.

I'm also not defending Google. And the fact that anyone else might do anything simlar is entirely irrelevant to my point. If I punch someone, it's not okay or less wrong because someone else punched someone.
 
2012-09-04 12:01:33 PM  

MightyPez: You can check to see if your UDID was on the list here.

I checked my iPad 2 (wifi only) and iPhone 4. It didn't appear to be on the list. Full disclosure, formerly on AT&T, now on Straight Talk (AT&T prepaid MVNO).

Get you UDID using this guide.


They only released part of the list (I'm paging through it now). However 12 million is still only 4% of all iDevices ever sold.
 
2012-09-04 12:04:57 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Granted, but that's not the point I'm making. My point is that Apple actively discourages and obscures their own users' knowledge of their own devices. You're not fooled, but many people are, and the purpose is to ensure customer loyalty by making users dependent on the provider.


LG actively discourages and obscures my knowledge of my own refrigerator so what is your point? People want their shiat to work when turned on and can care less how its delivered.
 
2012-09-04 12:05:33 PM  
I imagine that a goodly number of the people impacted are in California.

Unfortunately Federal agencies don't seem to be covered under Cal. Civ. Code 1798.82 and 1798.29, although State agencies are. Perhaps the idiot with the laptop could be construed to be an individual conducting business in California?

Even if they were covered, they'd lie and claim that notification would impede a criminal investigation (how? the criminals already know they stole it).
 
2012-09-04 12:06:49 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Ha ha, because he was a cross-dresser.


And gay, allegedly. During a period of time when either of those would get you a nice, state and public approved beating from the police and the most meagre grain of proof of which would bar you from certain positions... like being the head of the FBI.

What are you, twelve?

Is it my fault your hero was an alleged closet homosexual with something to hide whilst simultaneously taking a hard line stance on 'subversives'... like gays and cross-dressers? No it is not my fault your hero was one of the largest hypocrites in recent history. Making insinuations about someones age simply because you dislike something they say makes you look retarded.
 
2012-09-04 12:09:43 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch:
Could you try that again in *coherent* English, please? I'm about half getting it.


Then I suggest you reread it or ask someone else to dumb it down further. That's as low brow as I'm prepared to go with you.
 
2012-09-04 12:24:16 PM  
I'm guessing this is actually from a case being brought against a popular app maker who was stealing personal information. Either that or it's Install0us's database that was actually leaked.
 
2012-09-04 12:33:59 PM  
Likely this is data from the ECHELON program - and an offshoot of the FBI's Carnivore.

/the truth is out there
//right next to all of your data
 
2012-09-04 12:38:35 PM  

Lawnchair: Guntram Shatterhand: That said, why the hell is Apple using unique identifiers like this?

Why would you think they aren't? I don't suppose I've used a computing device without a software-accessible unique identifier (ethernet/WiFi MAC address at least) since around 1994.


Except on a PC all of these can be disabled. Intel processors have a UID but this is disabled by default on all machines. Ethernet/WiFI MAC addresses are NOTHING compared to this. Apple's UID allows them all sorts of information. Say you change your itunes password, well with the email and user name, with the UID they can reset ANYTHING. It's a horrible design, the fact that it's on by default is crazy.
 
2012-09-04 12:54:19 PM  

Vaneshi: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: and the purpose is to ensure customer loyalty by making users dependent on the provider.

Well yes but you can equally argue that Google does the exact same trick with Android. Sure you have a multitude of stores to select (a good thing IMHO) and you can install apk's yourself (another good thing IMHO).

But you can't transfer those purchases to an iOS device or vice versa (a bad thing IMHO), once you're in to any great degree on either platform it can be quite irksome and possibly expensive to go somewhere else.


That isn't Android's choice. Google can't force Apple to honor purchases in the Android Market. I've seen you regurgitate this drivel multiple times on Fark. Stop blaming Google for Apple's idiocy.
 
2012-09-04 01:36:30 PM  

wildcardjack: BigBooper: swaxhog: if you said a certain flagged word.

I'd be disappointed if at least half of my fark posts are not flagged because of key word use.
You must be on drugs if you think the FBI doesn't watch the internet like al qaeda watching for easy targets to bomb.

/sorry off my game today
//waves hi to the nice government employee

I figure if the FBI is reading my posts which include ideas and observations for making terrorist more effective maybe they'll figure out how to minimize the issues I notice. If I see an obvious terrorist target or technique in passing then I bet the terrorist who obsess about such things already has it in his playbook.


Plus the baddies seem to always be engineers.
 
2012-09-04 02:14:36 PM  

StoPPeRmobile: Plus the baddies seem to always be engineers.


Then maybe we should stop pissing off engineers.
 
2012-09-04 03:30:30 PM  

ferretman: If this happened under President Bush the uproar would be tremendous...but since President Obama is in office.....*crickets*...


It was happening under Bush, when the NSA ramped up it's citizen spying program. When anyone dared question this every Republican politician and pundit screamed "you support the terrorists!", "why do you hate the USA", and "anyone criticizing the President is a traitor".

History. Try reading and remembering it sometime.
 
2012-09-04 03:50:47 PM  

phimuskapsi: Lawnchair: Guntram Shatterhand: That said, why the hell is Apple using unique identifiers like this?

Why would you think they aren't? I don't suppose I've used a computing device without a software-accessible unique identifier (ethernet/WiFi MAC address at least) since around 1994.

Except on a PC all of these can be disabled. Intel processors have a UID but this is disabled by default on all machines. Ethernet/WiFI MAC addresses are NOTHING compared to this. Apple's UID allows them all sorts of information. Say you change your itunes password, well with the email and user name, with the UID they can reset ANYTHING. It's a horrible design, the fact that it's on by default is crazy.


You do realize that every Android Phone, Windows Phone, and Blackberry also has a UUID, don't you?
 
2012-09-04 05:34:44 PM  
UDID what?
 
2012-09-04 05:58:06 PM  

BullBearMS: phimuskapsi: Lawnchair: Guntram Shatterhand: That said, why the hell is Apple using unique identifiers like this?

Why would you think they aren't? I don't suppose I've used a computing device without a software-accessible unique identifier (ethernet/WiFi MAC address at least) since around 1994.

Except on a PC all of these can be disabled. Intel processors have a UID but this is disabled by default on all machines. Ethernet/WiFI MAC addresses are NOTHING compared to this. Apple's UID allows them all sorts of information. Say you change your itunes password, well with the email and user name, with the UID they can reset ANYTHING. It's a horrible design, the fact that it's on by default is crazy.

You do realize that every Android Phone, Windows Phone, and Blackberry also has a UUID, don't you?


And motherboard
 
2012-09-04 06:09:39 PM  

Vaneshi: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: Ha ha, because he was a cross-dresser.

And gay, allegedly. During a period of time when either of those would get you a nice, state and public approved beating from the police and the most meagre grain of proof of which would bar you from certain positions... like being the head of the FBI.

What are you, twelve?

Is it my fault your hero was an alleged closet homosexual with something to hide whilst simultaneously taking a hard line stance on 'subversives'... like gays and cross-dressers? No it is not my fault your hero was one of the largest hypocrites in recent history. Making insinuations about someones age simply because you dislike something they say makes you look retarded.


He's not my hero, you idiot. Hoover was a shiatbag and an evil man who ignored the constitution. I have no love for him at all. My entire point is that his personal proclivities are entirely irrelevant, and it's childish to bring them into a discussion over FBI snooping.
 
2012-09-04 06:11:37 PM  

Vaneshi: Sylvia_Bandersnatch:
Could you try that again in *coherent* English, please? I'm about half getting it.

Then I suggest you reread it or ask someone else to dumb it down further. That's as low brow as I'm prepared to go with you.


See, this is why I try to never even bother talking to zeroes on Fark. I almost always end up regretting it. It's like trying to talk physics with a four-year-old.

Just go die or something, you useless little twat.
 
2012-09-04 06:13:20 PM  

Slam Dunkz: Bob Down: Why does APPLE need all that stuff? Some of it makes sense.. the rest like user name, zipcode, phone number and address is none their farking business.

Maybe billing in iTunes? Not that it justifies it but if you REALLY want to get weirded out about this sort of thing you really need to think about what Google knows about you.

The UUIDs are to identify the actual device. Nothing freaky about that at all, it's used to know what machine is what, development build provisioning, etc.


All of you are missing the point, all that info is used to push advertising to you usually without you knowledge.

That's what all this is based on, advertising crap.
 
2012-09-04 07:36:14 PM  
I was discussing tablets with a friend the other day. She has an Android tablet but lacks a rabid dislike of Apple products. We came to the conclusion that Apple is the Scientology of tech. The conclusion was reached through several common points.

Both groups are California based, insanely secretive, and overly litigious. Both have a now-deceased figurehead that has been raised to deity status by its followers. They both require an initial high financial outlay with continued payouts to receive new content and remain part of the organization.

The majority of their followers are devoted to the point that any criticism is met with rabid hostility and defense usually matched by a mother bird protecting her babies. Their critics are equally hostile to the point that they view both groups the same way Masons were viewed in previous generations.

We had other points leading us to the conclusion but these were our main ones. My personal views for both organizations is pretty neutral but I was amused the more we made connections.
 
2012-09-04 08:26:39 PM  

myfakeonlineidentity: I was discussing tablets with a friend the other day. She has an Android tablet but lacks a rabid dislike of Apple products. We came to the conclusion that Apple is the Scientology of tech. The conclusion was reached through several common points.

Both groups are California based, insanely secretive, and overly litigious. Both have a now-deceased figurehead that has been raised to deity status by its followers. They both require an initial high financial outlay with continued payouts to receive new content and remain part of the organization.

The majority of their followers are devoted to the point that any criticism is met with rabid hostility and defense usually matched by a mother bird protecting her babies. Their critics are equally hostile to the point that they view both groups the same way Masons were viewed in previous generations.

We had other points leading us to the conclusion but these were our main ones. My personal views for both organizations is pretty neutral but I was amused the more we made connections.


Mind, blown. I've been comparing them to the RCC for years, but your analogy is *much* better. I would like to share it, if it's alright with you.

Another thought: both utlise tech that they don't want their paying customers to know too much about.
 
2012-09-04 11:03:49 PM  

mcreadyblue: If you are innocent, you have nothing to fear.


Famous last words, a bitter epitaph on millions of graves
 
2012-09-05 01:59:22 PM  

kbotc: I'm guessing this is actually from a case being brought against a popular app maker who was stealing personal information. Either that or it's Install0us's database that was actually leaked.


Or it's from the actual app maker getting owned and the FBI is only involved because the leaker decided he doesn't like them and wanted to pin it on them. But that's impossible, because everything I read on the internet is factual.
 
2012-09-05 07:35:13 PM  
myfakeonlineidentity: I was discussing tablets with a friend the other day. She has an Android tablet but lacks a rabid dislike of Apple products. We came to the conclusion that Apple is the Scientology of tech. The conclusion was reached through several common points.

Both groups are California based, insanely secretive, and overly litigious. Both have a now-deceased figurehead that has been raised to deity status by its followers. They both require an initial high financial outlay with continued payouts to receive new content and remain part of the organization.

The majority of their followers are devoted to the point that any criticism is met with rabid hostility and defense usually matched by a mother bird protecting her babies. Their critics are equally hostile to the point that they view both groups the same way Masons were viewed in previous generations.

We had other points leading us to the conclusion but these were our main ones. My personal views for both organizations is pretty neutral but I was amused the more we made connections.

Mind, blown. I've been comparing them to the RCC for years, but your analogy is *much* better. I would like to share it, if it's alright with you.

Another thought: both utlise tech that they don't want their paying customers to know too much about.


Share away.
 
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