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2012-09-04 09:29:53 AM
A while back I decided it might be fun if I started reading comic books, so I downloaded both the DC and Marvel iPad apps.
They want like $5 per comic? Yeah, fark that.
 
2012-09-04 11:08:18 AM

serial_crusher: A while back I decided it might be fun if I started reading comic books, so I downloaded both the DC and Marvel iPad apps.
They want like $5 per comic? Yeah, fark that.


Pretty much. As I've said before and will again: my collecting days are over, i just want to read the comics. Marvel/DC should add a Netflix-style setup where you pay a set amount each month ($20 maybe) and you can read as much of their comics as you want, delivered directly to their iPad/Android Apps. I drop good coin for this, especially if they add their entire back catalog into the mix.
 
2012-09-04 11:16:34 AM

serial_crusher: A while back I decided it might be fun if I started reading comic books, so I downloaded both the DC and Marvel iPad apps.
They want like $5 per comic? Yeah, fark that.


Wait for the sales at Comixology. You can get a lot of good stuff for $1 per issue then. Marvel also has a subscription service, but I think it only covers back issues. Not sure how long you have to wait for the new stuff.
 
2012-09-04 11:17:34 AM
For those concerned with legality, I'm sure those complete run Marvel dvds from a few years ago (06 I think) are dirt cheap now. I grabbed Iron Man, Cap, Spidey, Hulk and FF for something like $20 for the set.
 
2012-09-04 11:18:47 AM
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YodaBlues: Marvel/DC should add a Netflix-style setup where you pay a set amount each month ($20 maybe) and you can read as much of their comics as you want, delivered directly to their iPad/Android Apps. I drop good coin for this, especially if they add their entire back catalog into the mix.


The bar-none best way to read comic is .CBR files that are uploaded by pirates in the scanning community. Their "product" is better than any digital comics service I've used. Not just because those files are free, but because they have a better and more versatile format than those used by other digital comics operations. Personally, my comics habit costs me around $150/month. It's insane and I am probably going to stop soon. I want to support the books and creators that I read, but I could do a lot of other things with $150/month.
 
2012-09-04 11:35:28 AM
"good storytelling optional"


So it's a pornographic comic then?
 
2012-09-04 11:38:41 AM

Mad_Radhu: serial_crusher: A while back I decided it might be fun if I started reading comic books, so I downloaded both the DC and Marvel iPad apps.
They want like $5 per comic? Yeah, fark that.

Wait for the sales at Comixology. You can get a lot of good stuff for $1 per issue then. Marvel also has a subscription service, but I think it only covers back issues. Not sure how long you have to wait for the new stuff.


I used to have the Marvel subscription service and as of early this year, it sucked ass.

1) Not available on mobile devices, web browser only. (So no marvel app, no reading it on the iPad...they kept promising to make it available but after a year it never happened). This wasn't made very clear when I signed up originally, so I was already pissed about that (the tagline on the sign up page was "Read all the comics you want on any device you want!" yeah, not so much)
2) The "digitization" of new comics and their backlist was spotty and nonsensical. Most series (if not all) were missing one or two key issues (but those issues were "available" for purchase in the Marvel app...well well well ), new issues were made available sometimes late, sometimes never, sometimes at the same time. I never could make sense of it.

After a year of "we'll fix all that next month, we promise" and never seeing any results, I just figured that it wasn't worth it.

I don't know if they've fixed anything since I've canceled.
 
2012-09-04 11:39:04 AM
I don't see how it could be anything but a reboot since the past X-Men are coming to the present. Once they see how nuts things are, they're bound to go back into the past to try to fix things.
 
j4x
2012-09-04 11:50:53 AM
Marvel: Hey guys, DC ruined everything with a reboot, we can't be left behind
 
2012-09-04 11:51:06 AM
fark variants.
 
2012-09-04 11:57:50 AM
I used to read tons of comics. but in the last year or two I just fell out of it. (marvel guy). Is it worth going back?

Also, the pirated .cbr versions of comics are the best digital version bar none. Until the comic companies can put out a better product than pirates, they will fail at digital. (and seriously, they want full or greater than paper price for digital, they can ebod)
 
2012-09-04 11:58:01 AM
Marvel will make tons of money out of this, and here is why: the average comic "collector" is an idiot. At our local book shop, the orders for ALL of the relaunched new 52 were astounding. People were not only ordering every relaunch, but MULTIPLE copies of each #1. The explanation was that "they will be worth something one day." Yes, two hundred years from now after a nuclear apocalypse has wiped out the fifty gazillion copies that every has.

Other than comics for the kids, I usually just wait for the graphic novel to come out. By then, I know enough about the story to determine if it will be worth it.

/most of the time, it isn't
//I think Y:The Last Man was the last good monthly comic
///haven't bought a superhero comic in almost a decade
 
2012-09-04 12:08:23 PM
I read Marvel comics when I was a little kid, back in the early-mid 80's. My favorite was the old classic GI Joe comics.

I bought them at a local convenience store in the small town I grew up in. They cost pocket change, less than my daily school lunch.

Now, if you want to get comics, you have to go to a dedicated comic book store (which are less common in small towns), and prices have jumped up way faster than the rate of inflation.

Also, the standard superhero comics that Marvel and DC run on have become so cliche that there isn't much point in buying comics anymore.

Important characters will be killed off. . .only to come back a few months/years later. (Here's looking at you Superman, Batman, Captain America, Jean Grey, among MANY others)

Huge Epic Major Crossover events promise to be the big event to watch. . .until next year's event. (Civil War, Final Crisis, many others)

Big Reboot event to start the continuity over so you can read/buy the well known origin story of a famous character yet again. (. . .so many times)
 
2012-09-04 12:08:29 PM

tcaptain: Mad_Radhu: serial_crusher: A while back I decided it might be fun if I started reading comic books, so I downloaded both the DC and Marvel iPad apps.
They want like $5 per comic? Yeah, fark that.

Wait for the sales at Comixology. You can get a lot of good stuff for $1 per issue then. Marvel also has a subscription service, but I think it only covers back issues. Not sure how long you have to wait for the new stuff.

I used to have the Marvel subscription service and as of early this year, it sucked ass.

1) Not available on mobile devices, web browser only. (So no marvel app, no reading it on the iPad...they kept promising to make it available but after a year it never happened). This wasn't made very clear when I signed up originally, so I was already pissed about that (the tagline on the sign up page was "Read all the comics you want on any device you want!" yeah, not so much)
2) The "digitization" of new comics and their backlist was spotty and nonsensical. Most series (if not all) were missing one or two key issues (but those issues were "available" for purchase in the Marvel app...well well well ), new issues were made available sometimes late, sometimes never, sometimes at the same time. I never could make sense of it.

After a year of "we'll fix all that next month, we promise" and never seeing any results, I just figured that it wasn't worth it.

I don't know if they've fixed anything since I've canceled.


I signed up for the same thing, the advertising was deceptive, it seemed to imply it was all digital and they promoted the iPad app at the same time.

Turned out it wasn't, I raised hell the next day and got a full refund.

If it was tied into their iPad app I'd be subscribed in a heartbeat... For the life of me I don't get why they'd have unlimited access on the website but not in the iPad App... just plain retarded.
 
2012-09-04 12:09:23 PM
I'll wait for The Goon volume 12, thank you very much.
 
2012-09-04 12:17:17 PM
Variant covers?

What is this, the '90s?
 
2012-09-04 12:23:37 PM

drewogatory: For those concerned with legality, I'm sure those complete run Marvel dvds from a few years ago (06 I think) are dirt cheap now. I grabbed Iron Man, Cap, Spidey, Hulk and FF for something like $20 for the set.


No actually those DVD's (consisting of all the comics from the beginning to the year 2005) are considered collectors editions and charge high prices if you weren't lucky enough to pick them up before they went off the market. I had picked up Spiderman, FF, Captain American and the Avengers, I was going to get Iron Man as well but the prices had jumped up at that point because the original company had stopped producing those DVD's.
 
2012-09-04 12:30:41 PM

KellyX:

I signed up for the same thing, the advertising was deceptive, it seemed to imply it was all digital and they promoted the iPad app at the same time.

Turned out it wasn't, I raised hell the next day and got a full refund.

If it was tied into their iPad app I'd be subscribed in a heartbeat... For the life of me I don't get why they'd have unlimited access on the website but not in the iPad App... just plain retarded.


Yeah, I raised hell but didn't get a refund :( I signed up during their holiday blitz (December) and they kept saying "Oh we'll have an iPad app for January." Then in January they said March...of course in January they said "So sorry, we can't refund, you waited too long"

My fault for believing their fraudulent claims. I stuck out the year and read as much as I could, saw the crappy service in its full glory.

That whole year I kept track of posts on their forums, their (usually dishonest) answers to the tons of requests.

It completely turned me off Marvel.

The shiatty part was that I was looking for an alternative to just dowloading the damned things on torrents.

Fark that now...torrents it is.
 
2012-09-04 12:31:57 PM
One storyline features Peter Parker as a high school student (yes, again). Parker, a nebbish, is sent to advanced-level classes because of his superior intellect. But he runs across Blade Brown and their class schedules accidentally get swapped. Blade Brown finds himself in the high-end classes while Parker finds himself consorting with average or remedial students.

However, they decide to put their differences aside and pretend to be each other. Parker teaches Blade how to articulate himself, and Blade teaches Parker confidence and the ways of hip-hop.

Everything is going great until gangsters who are angry at Blade begin targeting Parker instead. Even worse, a field trip has Blade bitten by a radioactive spider.

Truly, don't miss it. This story is a class act by Marvel.
 
2012-09-04 12:41:23 PM

Latinwolf: No actually those DVD's (consisting of all the comics from the beginning to the year 2005) are considered collectors editions and charge high prices if you weren't lucky enough to pick them up before they went off the market.


Ironically, those discs contain comics in .PDF format, something that's uniquely unsuitable for comic-book reading. I mean really, really, REALLY bad.
 
2012-09-04 12:42:39 PM

Latinwolf: drewogatory: For those concerned with legality, I'm sure those complete run Marvel dvds from a few years ago (06 I think) are dirt cheap now. I grabbed Iron Man, Cap, Spidey, Hulk and FF for something like $20 for the set.

No actually those DVD's (consisting of all the comics from the beginning to the year 2005) are considered collectors editions and charge high prices if you weren't lucky enough to pick them up before they went off the market. I had picked up Spiderman, FF, Captain American and the Avengers, I was going to get Iron Man as well but the prices had jumped up at that point because the original company had stopped producing those DVD's.


Ooh. I literally just rescued them from the "purge" pile after a move. I just figured they were worthless now, I'm pretty sure I've never bought a dvd that actually accrued in value.
 
2012-09-04 12:49:04 PM
The Marvel online comic subscription sucks and ripped me off. Thanks guys.

I think I'm done with comics. I'm not even reading The Unwritten anymore. I don't really miss them.
 
2012-09-04 12:57:58 PM

HeartBurnKid: Variant covers?

What is this, the '90s?


This. I can't believe people still fall for that shiat.
 
2012-09-04 01:03:08 PM

Braindeath: The Marvel online comic subscription sucks and ripped me off. Thanks guys.

I think I'm done with comics. I'm not even reading The Unwritten anymore. I don't really miss them.


I read somewhere that in terms of price/minute of enjoyment comic books is one of the most expensive hobbies one can have. You used to pay .95 cents for a comic it took you 20 minutes to actually read. Now you are paying $4.00 for a comic it takes you five to ten minutes to blow through.

After 25 years as an X-Freak I officially burned out on Marvel during the Matt Faction era. Between the crappy writing and the constant cross-over marketing ploys, I just couldn't given them my money anymore.

Now I still read Empowered and The Red Star (on the rare occasions there is an issue out) and that is pretty much it.
 
2012-09-04 01:12:00 PM
I might pick up the occasional comic, but I mostly just stick to the trade paperbacks at this point. At least there you get a complete story without having to worry about following half a dozen different comic lines.
 
2012-09-04 01:12:52 PM

KiplingKat872: HeartBurnKid: Variant covers?

What is this, the '90s?

This. I can't believe people still fall for that shiat.


Makes sense if you look at it, along with the reboot, as part of a larger plan to(once again) crash the comic book market.
 
2012-09-04 01:13:03 PM

KiplingKat872: This. I can't believe people still fall for that shiat.


Some comic book companies do "Cover A" and "Cover B" still, and an equal amount of both. Collectors might get both copies. I'll either get whichever one looks best, or whichever one is still left in the store by the time I get there. I don't care. I just want to read the thing.
 
2012-09-04 01:13:16 PM

KiplingKat872: Braindeath: The Marvel online comic subscription sucks and ripped me off. Thanks guys.

I think I'm done with comics. I'm not even reading The Unwritten anymore. I don't really miss them.

I read somewhere that in terms of price/minute of enjoyment comic books is one of the most expensive hobbies one can have. You used to pay .95 cents for a comic it took you 20 minutes to actually read. Now you are paying $4.00 for a comic it takes you five to ten minutes to blow through.



Ah, Decompression. TPBs are a great format, but they killed the single issues. And the big two have had to act pants on head retarded to attempt to keep people reading instead of just embracing the future.
 
2012-09-04 01:13:24 PM

KiplingKat872: Braindeath: The Marvel online comic subscription sucks and ripped me off. Thanks guys.

I think I'm done with comics. I'm not even reading The Unwritten anymore. I don't really miss them.

I read somewhere that in terms of price/minute of enjoyment comic books is one of the most expensive hobbies one can have. You used to pay .95 cents for a comic it took you 20 minutes to actually read. Now you are paying $4.00 for a comic it takes you five to ten minutes to blow through.

After 25 years as an X-Freak I officially burned out on Marvel during the Matt Faction era. Between the crappy writing and the constant cross-over marketing ploys, I just couldn't given them my money anymore.

Now I still read Empowered and The Red Star (on the rare occasions there is an issue out) and that is pretty much it.


I stretch my books out my reading a few pages before work each day. It helps me pretend that I'm getting my money's worth.
 
2012-09-04 01:22:54 PM
I'm down to the new Captain Marvel, Deadpool, the occasional Superman and Supergirl and the Green Lantern titles and that's it unless something catches my eye.
Problem is, I'm getting less satisfaction out of the impulse buys which used to be the way I picked up on new story lines and titles.

I used to buy a lot more than I do now, that's for sure.
 
2012-09-04 01:57:41 PM

KiplingKat872: Braindeath: The Marvel online comic subscription sucks and ripped me off. Thanks guys.

I think I'm done with comics. I'm not even reading The Unwritten anymore. I don't really miss them.

I read somewhere that in terms of price/minute of enjoyment comic books is one of the most expensive hobbies one can have. You used to pay .95 cents for a comic it took you 20 minutes to actually read. Now you are paying $4.00 for a comic it takes you five to ten minutes to blow through.

After 25 years as an X-Freak I officially burned out on Marvel during the Matt Faction era. Between the crappy writing and the constant cross-over marketing ploys, I just couldn't given them my money anymore.

Now I still read Empowered and The Red Star (on the rare occasions there is an issue out) and that is pretty much it.


I thought Red Star was dead?
 
2012-09-04 02:04:12 PM

Elfich: KiplingKat872: Braindeath: The Marvel online comic subscription sucks and ripped me off. Thanks guys.

I think I'm done with comics. I'm not even reading The Unwritten anymore. I don't really miss them.

I read somewhere that in terms of price/minute of enjoyment comic books is one of the most expensive hobbies one can have. You used to pay .95 cents for a comic it took you 20 minutes to actually read. Now you are paying $4.00 for a comic it takes you five to ten minutes to blow through.

After 25 years as an X-Freak I officially burned out on Marvel during the Matt Faction era. Between the crappy writing and the constant cross-over marketing ploys, I just couldn't given them my money anymore.

Now I still read Empowered and The Red Star (on the rare occasions there is an issue out) and that is pretty much it.

I thought Red Star was dead?


I have not heard any official announcement, but it's been so long since they put a new issue out it might as well be.
 
2012-09-04 02:04:55 PM
Which is a total bummer because Red Star was a fantastic comic book, both in art and story.
 
2012-09-04 02:52:13 PM
I used to follow comic books in the late 80s / early 90s till the industry went bust from the glut of 2,347 X-Men titles, 50 Punisher titles, and a half-dozen Wolverine titles, with variant covers tying them all together.

I remember one of the big things for Marvel in the late 90s was a public vow to streamline titles and stop focusing so much on shininess -- which has clearly been forgotten as they returned to the hype-machine garbage of the early 90s. But I don't think sales ever recovered to early 90s levels. Makes me wonder if the industry is due for another bust sometime soon, this time permanent.
 
2012-09-04 02:58:29 PM

Fonaibung: I used to follow comic books in the late 80s / early 90s till the industry went bust from the glut of 2,347 X-Men titles, 50 Punisher titles, and a half-dozen Wolverine titles, with variant covers tying them all together.

I remember one of the big things for Marvel in the late 90s was a public vow to streamline titles and stop focusing so much on shininess -- which has clearly been forgotten as they returned to the hype-machine garbage of the early 90s. But I don't think sales ever recovered to early 90s levels. Makes me wonder if the industry is due for another bust sometime soon, this time permanent.


There are only a couple hundred thousand potential readers left in the pool, with the average DC or Marvel book only selling 30 or 40 thousand copies.

Every stunt is a desperate attempt to grab more readers from the shrinking pool.

There's really not much lower the big two can go without going out of business.

/which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, IMO.
 
2012-09-04 03:01:05 PM
people still read comic books?
 
2012-09-04 03:04:03 PM

E_Henry_Thripshaws_Disease: people still read comic books?


Not really.

They seem to like movies and TV shows about comic book characters, though.
 
2012-09-04 03:11:31 PM

FirstNationalBastard: Fonaibung: I used to follow comic books in the late 80s / early 90s till the industry went bust from the glut of 2,347 X-Men titles, 50 Punisher titles, and a half-dozen Wolverine titles, with variant covers tying them all together.

I remember one of the big things for Marvel in the late 90s was a public vow to streamline titles and stop focusing so much on shininess -- which has clearly been forgotten as they returned to the hype-machine garbage of the early 90s. But I don't think sales ever recovered to early 90s levels. Makes me wonder if the industry is due for another bust sometime soon, this time permanent.

There are only a couple hundred thousand potential readers left in the pool, with the average DC or Marvel book only selling 30 or 40 thousand copies.

Every stunt is a desperate attempt to grab more readers from the shrinking pool.

There's really not much lower the big two can go without going out of business.

/which wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing, IMO.


I think moving into other media is incredibly smart, but leaving all the digital stuff on the table (or not doing it right in the first place) is a bad move. I pirate issues sometimes to see what's going on, but even that is a tedious bother since the stories rarely seem worth it. Selling some 'catchup arc' packages for a modest price (think TPBs but more price-friendly) would be a great way to get old readers back in the game, especially around movie launch times.
 
2012-09-04 03:35:27 PM

likefunbutnot: Ironically, those discs contain comics in .PDF format, something that's uniquely unsuitable for comic-book reading. I mean really, really, REALLY bad.


PDFs get you page sizes, support a big pile of raster formats and many readers support two page format like actual books. I don't see the downside over something more primitive like CBR.
 
2012-09-04 03:57:14 PM

lemurs: likefunbutnot: Ironically, those discs contain comics in .PDF format, something that's uniquely unsuitable for comic-book reading. I mean really, really, REALLY bad.

PDFs get you page sizes, support a big pile of raster formats and many readers support two page format like actual books. I don't see the downside over something more primitive like CBR.


CBRs are just renamed .rar files with jpgs in them. they can be big high res jpgs, or crap jpgs. .cbr has nothing to do with that.

/.cbz are renamed .zip files.
 
2012-09-04 03:57:15 PM
All this stuff better not be delaying Avengers 2.
 
2012-09-04 04:07:32 PM

SuperT: CBRs are just renamed .rar files with jpgs in them. they can be big high res jpgs, or crap jpgs. .cbr has nothing to do with that.


But since PDF supports a superset of CBR's functionality, I don't see what's so awful about it as a comic distribution format - especially for a pile of old catalog titles.
 
2012-09-04 04:08:56 PM

SuperT: CBRs are just renamed .rar files with jpgs in them. they can be big high res jpgs, or crap jpgs. .cbr has nothing to do with that.


...and they have lightweight, specialized viewers that allow for very for very fast and easy keyboard or gesture navigation and view options, such as page rotation. They can handle multipage layouts without having to fark around with resizing windows, and, hey, the format is simple and the viewer doesn't need an embedded high level script language interpreter, so viewing software can run on a huge array of platforms with virtually no security risk.

And .PDF has exactly offers of those things.
 
2012-09-04 04:18:43 PM

lemurs: SuperT: CBRs are just renamed .rar files with jpgs in them. they can be big high res jpgs, or crap jpgs. .cbr has nothing to do with that.

But since PDF supports a superset of CBR's functionality, I don't see what's so awful about it as a comic distribution format - especially for a pile of old catalog titles.


Constant update prompts, seems to eat more memory and loads pages slower (noticeable lag). That might just be my set up though. When I'm *ahem "previewing" certain titles or looking at old back issues I don't want to dig up or pay an arm and leg for, I'll take cbr/cbz every time over pdf.
 
2012-09-04 04:30:07 PM

MagSeven: Constant update prompts, seems to eat more memory and loads pages slower (noticeable lag). That might just be my set up though. When I'm *ahem "previewing" certain titles or looking at old back issues I don't want to dig up or pay an arm and leg for, I'll take cbr/cbz every time over pdf.


Adobe's bloatware makes everything seem awful, but viewers like Foxit, Skim or even the one built into Chrome show the format itself can be used for good. Though I'll admit that programs with a specialized interface for comic reading are likely to outshine something more general-purpose.
 
2012-09-04 04:41:29 PM

lemurs: Adobe's bloatware makes everything seem awful, but viewers like Foxit, Skim or even the one built into Chrome show the format itself can be used for good


I was able to get an acceptable .cbr reader for a 400Mhz Windows Mobile device in 2005. Even making the assumption that a desktop OS is what will be used to read things may not be entirely correct.
 
2012-09-04 04:55:17 PM

whizbangthedirtfarmer: People were not only ordering every relaunch, but MULTIPLE copies of each #1. The explanation was that "they will be worth something one day."


Remind me again what the going rate for a 'Death of Superman" comic is TWENTY years later?
 
2012-09-04 05:02:08 PM

BojanglesPaladin: whizbangthedirtfarmer: People were not only ordering every relaunch, but MULTIPLE copies of each #1. The explanation was that "they will be worth something one day."

Remind me again what the going rate for a 'Death of Superman" comic is TWENTY years later?


5 or 6 bucks for the black bag version, Maybe three bucks for the bag-less newsstand first printing, a dollar for a longbox of second, third, and fourth printings.
 
2012-09-04 05:14:56 PM

likefunbutnot: lemurs: Adobe's bloatware makes everything seem awful, but viewers like Foxit, Skim or even the one built into Chrome show the format itself can be used for good

I was able to get an acceptable .cbr reader for a 400Mhz Windows Mobile device in 2005. Even making the assumption that a desktop OS is what will be used to read things may not be entirely correct.


There are also some very good .pdf readers for mobile devices. ezPDF is quite nice, but it's not free.
 
2012-09-04 05:22:47 PM
When I was a kid, I bought comics at the candy store.

Not only have big box stores killed candy stores and the internet killing news stands, the pricing and storylines of comic books have taken comics from children and made them a consumable for older people. Good luck keeping a market in the future...
 
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